Re: Apple car, anyone?
It is already fact that insurance companies are anticipating this development and will require people operating their own vehicles manually to pay much higher premiums. As such, you can bet that autonomously controlled vehicles will become the rule and not the exception. The's, the cost of said vehicles will most assuredly drop too much more reasonable and affordable levels. – Bill and a leader dog Holland -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple car, anyone?
I pay these costs now it’s just I also have the cost of a driver so my expense / burn rate is higher than a sited persons. Would love to just pay the same costs as the sited. > On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Cameron Strife wrote: > > Hi. Yes, on top of car payments, there would be insurance, > registration, yearly inspections, gas/electricity, oil changes, tires, > alignment, and the list goes on. > > And yes, we'd be responsible for those costs just like a sighted > person. (And, that is how it should be!) > > Cameron. > > > > On 9/21/15, Michael wrote: >> You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's >> interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a >> sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted >> person it's whoa is me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss >>> wrote: >>> >>> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car >>> we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think >>> about. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$. some people undoubtedly will, but some just won't be able to. Cheers, Donna > On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados > wrote: > > Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s > 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans > for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make > it work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will > drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for > everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come > in to play. Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and > finance what I couldn’t cover. > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: >>> >>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one >>> from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. >>> >>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates >>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda >>> MySpace.com/musikonalda >>> Facebook.com/lpnalda >>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda >>> Twitter: @lpnalda >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be > interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test > driver! > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front > > > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message becaus
Re: Apple car, anyone?
So you raise an interesting point, insurance should be almost 0. This is because humans aren’t driving. I can imagine a time when autonomous drivers are heavily incentivized by insurance rates or even a point in the distant future when human driving is uninsurable to the point where human driving is band on many if not all roads. Machines are always better at humans at these type of jobs. They never lose focus, they don’t get drunk, they don’t have road rage, they don’t rubber neck, they don’t text and drive or if they do they have true multitasking:), they never fall asleep, and on and on. Redundancy covers the failure model and it’s eventually in the future destined to be almost entirely automated. If you doubt it just look at aviation today. Comercial aviation is almost entirely automated. The response to the Asiana Air crash in San Francisco do to the disabling of the automatic landing system and allowing the humans to fly was for our FAA to ban human directed flight from Asian carriers in to San Francisco. Flights especially on the newest air craft don’t even require humans to taxi and they can literally self pilot from gate to gate. This is standard now, the Airbus doesn’t even have flight controls, it’s all glass and computers and you fly with a mouse. We could have entirely pilotless aircraft today if it weren’t for the Unions and political pressure on the FAA. NASA has a sky highway project to accommodate small flying cars that are self driving that will snap in to different lanes in the air for high speed local travel. So insurance won’t be a big deal in fact it might b a motivator. I invision a lot of these cars as being electric or alternate fueled so we’d have to revisit the operational cost model. Maintenance should be far less because if they are electric vehicles they are much simpler than gas powered vehicles to operate and maintain. If you buy a tesla today in most cases they prepare it on site like in your parking lot at work or home driveway with mobile service teams. As mentioned though, if we go to a shared model like an uber the costs change radically, especially with out the overhead of drivers. > On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Jessica Moss wrote: > > You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we > would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$. some people undoubtedly will, but >> some just won't be able to. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s >>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for >>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it >>> work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop >>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone >>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. >>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I >>> couldn’t cover. >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) Cheers, Donna > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: > > With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from > Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. > > Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates > Louie P (Pete) Nalda > MySpace.com/musikonalda > Facebook.com/lpnalda > Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda > Twitter: @lpnalda > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados >> wrote: >> >> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? >> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are >> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 >> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that >> for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of >> autonomous driving features. >> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I >> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t >> been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year >> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car >> to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in >> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit >> a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it >> pulled up and picked
Re: Apple car, anyone?
You have a great point. Tesla already has a research division that wants to do exactly what you’re saying and Uber now is one of the largest investors in self driving cars. You could buy your train ticket on the phone, summon a ride that could sync up with the train schedule to bring you the rest of the way and have the whole thing work on your phone. Another application are super efficient high speed freeways. You could reserve lanes or have entire roads that do not allow human drivers. The computers could accelerate the cars to 100 even 200 + MPH, have them operate with in 6 inches of each other to optimize drag and auto drive you rapidly around your region. Not only do they plan to have the cars talk to each other so such a thing could be coordinated but inputs are available for a centralized control operation so some combination could allow you to slip in to a slot on a freeway near your town and say drive from New York to DC in an hour and a half (probably not needed do to mass transit) but more likely might be Still Water Oklahoma to Amarillo in 2 hours where population density doesn’t support public transit. Combine this with the Hyper Loop project and technologies like that making train like travel possible at over 750 MPH well it would be like Buck Rogers. I never thought I would see things like this in my life time let alone the next decade. > On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:07 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Who says you need to own the thing yourself? If you could summon one in 10 > minutes at will using an app from a fleet stored somewhere close by, wouldn't > that suffice? Most cars sit most of the time so they should be a shared > resource. The trouble is usually the last mile getting a taxi to your door or > getting to the nearest bus/metro stop. A self driving car could eliminate > that incentive for people keeping (one or more) vehicles parked at their > house. Of course Apple would have to include the iClean service which makes > sure any mess left by the previous passenger was taken care of. > > CB > > On 9/21/15 9:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s >> 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for >> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it >> work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop >> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone >> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. >> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t >> cover. >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) >>> Cheers, >>> Donna On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados > wrote: > > Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? > There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are > rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 > wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that > for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of > autonomous driving features. > You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had > blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I > believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t > been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year > ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car > to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in > front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a > key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled > up and picked him up. > > Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they > actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if >> you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >> >> Cheers, >> Donna >
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..and how It has been for many for years. I remember when I worked for xerox, I knew many individuals experiencing sight loss who owned cars. I cannot imagine why the responsibility should be any difference. If memory serves bMW will have some of their self driving cars on the roads in Canada later this year if not next. its a mode of transportation folks, lots of people would rather be driven, electronically that has nothing to do with ones eye chart score. I respect that some prefer the two sides of the same coin take on vision...but wonder how this serves anyone where understanding is concerned. Let alone having a large basis in reality. Karen On Mon, 21 Sep 2015, Cameron Strife wrote: Hi. Yes, on top of car payments, there would be insurance, registration, yearly inspections, gas/electricity, oil changes, tires, alignment, and the list goes on. And yes, we'd be responsible for those costs just like a sighted person. (And, that is how it should be!) Cameron. On 9/21/15, Michael wrote: You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted person it's whoa is me. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss wrote: You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$. some people undoubtedly will, but some just won't be able to. Cheers, Donna On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover. On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) Cheers, Donna On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at htt
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Hi. Yes, on top of car payments, there would be insurance, registration, yearly inspections, gas/electricity, oil changes, tires, alignment, and the list goes on. And yes, we'd be responsible for those costs just like a sighted person. (And, that is how it should be!) Cameron. On 9/21/15, Michael wrote: > You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's > interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a > sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted > person it's whoa is me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss >> wrote: >> >> You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car >> we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think >> about. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$. some people undoubtedly will, >>> but some just won't be able to. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) > Cheers, > Donna >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: >> >> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one >> from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. >> >> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates >> Louie P (Pete) Nalda >> MySpace.com/musikonalda >> Facebook.com/lpnalda >> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda >> Twitter: @lpnalda >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? >>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are >>> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 >>> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about >>> that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a >>> ton of autonomous driving features. >>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already >>> had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. >>> I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I >>> haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC >>> about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who >>> was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It >>> would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his >>> thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that >>> had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. >>> >>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >>> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine >>> vision. >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries.
Re: Apple car, anyone?
You mean we would have the same responsibilities a sighted person has? It's interesting that a lot of blind individuals want the same rights as a sighted person, however when it comes to the responsibilities of a sighted person it's whoa is me. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Jessica Moss wrote: > > You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we > would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$. some people undoubtedly will, but >> some just won't be able to. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s >>> 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for >>> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it >>> work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop >>> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone >>> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. >>> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I >>> couldn’t cover. >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) Cheers, Donna > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: > > With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from > Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. > > Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates > Louie P (Pete) Nalda > MySpace.com/musikonalda > Facebook.com/lpnalda > Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda > Twitter: @lpnalda > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados >> wrote: >> >> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? >> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are >> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 >> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that >> for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of >> autonomous driving features. >> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I >> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t >> been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year >> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car >> to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in >> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit >> a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it >> pulled up and picked him up. >> >> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested >>> if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups
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You also have to think of the fact that it's not just the price of the car we would be paying for; there are car payments and ensurance to think about. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$. some people undoubtedly will, but > some just won't be able to. > Cheers, > Donna >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s >> 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for >> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it >> work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop >> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone >> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. >> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t >> cover. >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) >>> Cheers, >>> Donna On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados > wrote: > > Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? > There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are > rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 > wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that > for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of > autonomous driving features. > You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had > blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I > believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t > been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year > ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car > to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in > front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a > key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled > up and picked him up. > > Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they > actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if >> you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >> >> >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send e
Re: Apple car, anyone?
Who says you need to own the thing yourself? If you could summon one in 10 minutes at will using an app from a fleet stored somewhere close by, wouldn't that suffice? Most cars sit most of the time so they should be a shared resource. The trouble is usually the last mile getting a taxi to your door or getting to the nearest bus/metro stop. A self driving car could eliminate that incentive for people keeping (one or more) vehicles parked at their house. Of course Apple would have to include the iClean service which makes sure any mess left by the previous passenger was taken care of. CB On 9/21/15 9:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover. On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) Cheers, Donna On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" g
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Not really, we spend that kind of money all the time. We spend 3 or 4 times that on a house (depending on geographic area and the market). We spend that on college, something as fundamental as transportation I’m sure they will. If you have the job to support it or a family collectively with the income and a blind child don’t you think the parents would save up for long enough to set that child up with transportation when they get old enough? It depends on what transportation is worth to you. If you don’t need it, use public transit and it meets your needs you may not care, just like the sited in fact. Lots of people in the center of cities don’t own cars, they don’t need them. However, if you’re like the 90% of us who live outside the city center, off the public transit path and you need to get to work you’ll make it happen. I’m for special financing for blind users and things to offset the expense for the poorest among us because I do believe removing the transportation barrier will do us all a huge amount of good. Also, the 6 figure price tag will almost certainly drop rapidly because of the sited interest. It will be just another option on most cars shortly after. Folks like Tesla and BMW will do the heavy lifting and the features will trickle down in to the Hondas and Fords of the world. My car now will follow the lane markers, break and gas and control itself in traffic as it stands. It’s not much more to go to make it work end to end and my car was only 56K not 100+. > On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$. some people undoubtedly will, but > some just won't be able to. > Cheers, > Donna >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >> Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s >> 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for >> the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it >> work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop >> quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone >> so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. >> Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t >> cover. >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) >>> Cheers, >>> Donna On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados > wrote: > > Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? > There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are > rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 > wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that > for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of > autonomous driving features. > You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had > blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I > believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t > been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year > ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car > to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in > front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a > key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled > up and picked him up. > > Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they > actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if >> you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >> >> >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http:
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If apple makes it, people won’t care. They will buy it simply because it’s from Apple. :) If apple made steak knives people would buy them just because they had a big apple with a bite out on the handle. > On Sep 21, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > I'm just not sure everyone will see it that way. :) > Donna >> On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >> Outside air is for the weak.:) I don’t need the wind in my hair if I know >> the car can and will survive a crash much better with out windows. No >> flying glass, no structural holes, no extra weight for glass. Lots of >> upsides. >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Hmm. I'm not so sure. For that matter, not sure I would like it much. >>> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice >>> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down. I wouldn't. >>> Donna On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people couldn’t tell the difference. So if they have technology like that probably sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. Only difference is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the > lack of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with > that for a minute! > > It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! > Cheers, > Donna > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados >> wrote: >> >> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? >> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are >> rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 >> wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that >> for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of >> autonomous driving features. >> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I >> believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t >> been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year >> ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car >> to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in >> front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit >> a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it >> pulled up and picked him up. >> >> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested >>> if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group a
Re: Apple car, anyone?
I don't know, Scott, that's a lot of $$. some people undoubtedly will, but some just won't be able to. Cheers, Donna > On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > > Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s 100K > the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for the > blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work. > Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly > because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the > mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. Even if > it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover. > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: >>> >>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from >>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. >>> >>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates >>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda >>> MySpace.com/musikonalda >>> Facebook.com/lpnalda >>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda >>> Twitter: @lpnalda >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if > you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front > > > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivin
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I'm just not sure everyone will see it that way. :) Donna > On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > > Outside air is for the weak.:) I don’t need the wind in my hair if I know > the car can and will survive a crash much better with out windows. No flying > glass, no structural holes, no extra weight for glass. Lots of upsides. > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Hmm. I'm not so sure. For that matter, not sure I would like it much. >> Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice >> would you want to give up driving around with the windows down. I wouldn't. >> Donna >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote: >>> >>> Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the >>> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now >>> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical >>> spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work >>> next to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a >>> window that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that >>> looked exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the >>> demonstration was you had to guess which one was real and which was a >>> screen. Most people couldn’t tell the difference. So if they have >>> technology like that probably sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen >>> instead of a glass window. Only difference is you can’t roll it down. >>> That being said though the car would be much safer because it doesn’t have >>> all the cutout spots for windows and viewing areas. You can use solid >>> metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and structural stability with out >>> the window so crashes should be safer. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for a minute! It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados > wrote: > > Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? > There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are > rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 > wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that > for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of > autonomous driving features. > You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had > blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I > believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t > been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year > ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car > to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in > front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a > key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled > up and picked him up. > > Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they > actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if >> you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >> >> >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message b
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Bill, you have a few laws of physics that are in the way of the transporter. First, the heisenberg uncertainty principle says that the more you try to determine the position of any given particle the more you impact it’s environment and can’t know it’s exact position. Let’s say you solve that problem you then have an information problem. The amount of information it would take to beam a person would take more bandwidth than has been deployed since the beginning of the universe. (at least as far as we’re concerned some other species we don’t know of may have beat us to the punch but we have no way to prove that yet) Assuming you then solve the information problem and you solve the uncertainty problem you have the problem that no 2 exact copies can exist in the universe at any one time. So the act of beaming would destroy the original and create a perfect copy in the new location. Do to the principle of quantum super positioning you couldn’t have the original (you) and the copy (you copied) exist at the same time. So the question you have to ask your self is even if I know where my particles are and even if I have enough bandwidth to transmit them would I want to because I wouldn’t be me, I’d be an exact copy of me indistinguishable from the original. So yeah beaming could be a strange experience. Note though IBM and some other companies have successfully beamed individual photons and basic components like that. Having the ability to teleport photons would be good for quantum computers. So there is work being done in this area, I’m just not sure you’ll want to jump in one to get baseball tickets. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Bill Gallik wrote: > > This thread regarding ACV’s begs the question; when will the “Star Trek” > transporters be available? Just think, sitting in a cafe in New York City > discussing the Yankees prospects and in the blink of an eye being transported > to the ticket line in California in time to take in an afternoon game against > the Angels! > > The question is then, would the “reconstructed you” really be you or only a > clone? > > Personally, I find the prospect of a safely self-driving vehicle quite > inviting! > > - Bill & Leader Dog Holland > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple car, anyone?
Dona, the bigger question is can we afford not to have it? Even if it’s 100K the point is you’ll work it out. Whether it’s interest free loans for the blind or regular interest loans from the auto market you’ll make it work. Costs will be high at first but they will drop and they will drop quickly because these aren’t devices for just the blind, it’s for everyone so the mass market and mass production economies of scale come in to play. Even if it’s 100K though I for one would save up and finance what I couldn’t cover. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) > Cheers, > Donna >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: >> >> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from >> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. >> >> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates >> Louie P (Pete) Nalda >> MySpace.com/musikonalda >> Facebook.com/lpnalda >> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda >> Twitter: @lpnalda >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? >>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors >>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like >>> some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. >>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving >>> features. >>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe >>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able >>> to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t >>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and >>> from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the >>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that >>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked >>> him up. >>> >>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >>> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Obviously there would be redundant systems so if your computer failed a backup would take over. I suspect a lot of this will be run externally from large computer farms anyway keeping the logic outside the car makes for easier maintenance. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > > I'd love a car which I could use myself. Probably cost a fortune. I could > go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping > and fasten my guide dog in the back. She's have a whale of a time as she'd > not have too much work to do. The only scary thing would be that supposing > the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed? > On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas wrote: > > This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very > much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely > occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I > kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house > and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my > favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up > with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does > think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like > this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that > can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, > as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this > on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well > established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these > thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados wrote: >> >> Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the >> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now >> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical >> spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next >> to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window >> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked >> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was >> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people >> couldn’t tell the difference. So if they have technology like that probably >> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. >> Only difference is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car >> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows >> and viewing areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more >> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be >> safer. >> >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack >>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for >>> a minute! >>> >>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if > you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-ve
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Outside air is for the weak.:) I don’t need the wind in my hair if I know the car can and will survive a crash much better with out windows. No flying glass, no structural holes, no extra weight for glass. Lots of upsides. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hmm. I'm not so sure. For that matter, not sure I would like it much. > Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice > would you want to give up driving around with the windows down. I wouldn't. > Donna >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados >> wrote: >> >> Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the >> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now >> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical >> spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next >> to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window >> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked >> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was >> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people >> couldn’t tell the difference. So if they have technology like that probably >> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. >> Only difference is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car >> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows >> and viewing areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more >> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be >> safer. >> >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack >>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for >>> a minute! >>> >>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if > you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front > > > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>
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This thread regarding ACV’s begs the question; when will the “Star Trek” transporters be available? Just think, sitting in a cafe in New York City discussing the Yankees prospects and in the blink of an eye being transported to the ticket line in California in time to take in an afternoon game against the Angels! The question is then, would the “reconstructed you” really be you or only a clone? Personally, I find the prospect of a safely self-driving vehicle quite inviting! - Bill & Leader Dog Holland -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple car, anyone?
Ha ha ha ha ha ….. antivirus. Take care 18. sep. 2015 kl. 19:58 skrev Michael : I hear this a lot from people in regards to the autonomous car reality and "what if the computer crashed". Well, what if the driver you just passed crashed? It's a risk a person takes when he gets on the road, and from observations and research, computers crash less than humans do. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > > I'd love a car which I could use myself. Probably cost a fortune. I could > go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping > and fasten my guide dog in the back. She's have a whale of a time as she'd > not have too much work to do. The only scary thing would be that supposing > the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed? > On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas wrote: > > This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very > much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely > occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I > kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house > and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my > favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up > with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does > think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like > this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that > can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, > as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this > on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well > established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these > thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados wrote: >> >> Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the >> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now >> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical >> spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next >> to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window >> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked >> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was >> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people >> couldn’t tell the difference. So if they have technology like that probably >> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. >> Only difference is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car >> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows >> and viewing areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more >> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be >> safer. >> >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack >>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for >>> a minute! >>> >>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if >
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Well, there are limits, even if it's something you want. As I told a colleague this morning, I'm afraid I'll have to sell the first-born son I never had. :) Cheers, Donna > On Sep 18, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Michael wrote: > > The question isn't can any of us afford it but how will those who want it > afford it? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: >>> >>> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from >>> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. >>> >>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates >>> Louie P (Pete) Nalda >>> MySpace.com/musikonalda >>> Facebook.com/lpnalda >>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda >>> Twitter: @lpnalda >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if > you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front > > > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" gr
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The question isn't can any of us afford it but how will those who want it afford it? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) > Cheers, > Donna >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: >> >> With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from >> Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. >> >> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates >> Louie P (Pete) Nalda >> MySpace.com/musikonalda >> Facebook.com/lpnalda >> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda >> Twitter: @lpnalda >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? >>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors >>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like >>> some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. >>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving >>> features. >>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe >>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able >>> to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t >>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and >>> from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the >>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that >>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked >>> him up. >>> >>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >>> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I hear this a lot from people in regards to the autonomous car reality and "what if the computer crashed". Well, what if the driver you just passed crashed? It's a risk a person takes when he gets on the road, and from observations and research, computers crash less than humans do. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > > I'd love a car which I could use myself. Probably cost a fortune. I could > go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping > and fasten my guide dog in the back. She's have a whale of a time as she'd > not have too much work to do. The only scary thing would be that supposing > the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed? > On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas wrote: > > This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very > much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely > occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I > kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house > and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my > favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up > with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does > think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like > this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that > can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, > as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this > on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well > established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these > thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados wrote: >> >> Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the >> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now >> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical >> spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next >> to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window >> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked >> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was >> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people >> couldn’t tell the difference. So if they have technology like that probably >> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. >> Only difference is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car >> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows >> and viewing areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more >> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be >> safer. >> >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack >>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for >>> a minute! >>> >>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if > you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! > http://www
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Give it enough time and there will be some sort of 3-D virtual reality that will make it feel like the wind is blowing in your face at different levels at different speeds… Want to put it past him… I think this is an awesome thing! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hmm. I'm not so sure. For that matter, not sure I would like it much. > Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice > would you want to give up driving around with the windows down. I wouldn't. > Donna >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados >> wrote: >> >> Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the >> windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now >> they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical >> spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next >> to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window >> that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked >> exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was >> you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people >> couldn’t tell the difference. So if they have technology like that probably >> sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. >> Only difference is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car >> would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows >> and viewing areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more >> rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be >> safer. >> >> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack >>> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for >>> a minute! >>> >>> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if > you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front > > > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsub
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then the question will be can any of us afford it. :) Cheers, Donna > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Pete Nalda wrote: > > With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from > Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. > > Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates > Louie P (Pete) Nalda > MySpace.com/musikonalda > Facebook.com/lpnalda > Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda > Twitter: @lpnalda > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There >> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but >> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some >> models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it >> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. >> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe >> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to >> come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t >> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and >> from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the >> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that >> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him >> up. >> >> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if >>> you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I'd love a car which I could use myself. Probably cost a fortune. I could go to work in my car, or go and see parents in my car or go and get shopping and fasten my guide dog in the back. She's have a whale of a time as she'd not have too much work to do. The only scary thing would be that supposing the computer in the car went wrong and it crashed? On 18 Sep 2015, at 16:48, Denise Barajas wrote: This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados wrote: > > Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the > windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now > they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical > spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next > to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window that > looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the > same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to > guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people couldn’t tell > the difference. So if they have technology like that probably sited users > won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. Only difference > is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car would be much > safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing > areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and > structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer. > > > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack >> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for >> a minute! >> >> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? >>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors >>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like >>> some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. >>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving >>> features. >>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe >>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able >>> to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t >>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and >>> from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the >>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that >>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked >>> him up. >>> >>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >>> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@g
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Hmm. I'm not so sure. For that matter, not sure I would like it much. Obviously for me the trade-off would be worth it, but if you had a choice would you want to give up driving around with the windows down. I wouldn't. Donna > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > > Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the > windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now > they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical > spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next > to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window that > looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the > same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to > guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people couldn’t tell > the difference. So if they have technology like that probably sited users > won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. Only difference > is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car would be much > safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing > areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and > structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer. > > > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack >> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for >> a minute! >> >> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? >>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors >>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like >>> some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. >>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving >>> features. >>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe >>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able >>> to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t >>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and >>> from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the >>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that >>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked >>> him up. >>> >>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >>> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
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This certainly would be very interesting. I haven't really heard or read very much of anything, due to the fact that I myself find myself extremely occupied more or less on the daily basis. When I'm not going to school, I kind of just chill out and try to either run my own errands out of the house and usually when I'm in the public transit system, I like to get lost in my favorite music. Otherwise, if I stay home, I try my best to try and catch up with important email, or I just play my mud client game. It certainly does think a few questions though. How safe and how credible could a project like this be especially for those of us with no vision? There are many more that can come to my mind at the moment, but I can't really think of writing them, as I'm barely starting my day myself. Either way though, I have posted this on various places and if they do turn out to be well equipped and well established, I might consider going to try one of them myself. I hope these thoughts don't sound too general or two simple. Blessings to all of you Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2015, at 08:06, Scott Granados wrote: > > Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the > windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now > they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical > spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next > to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window that > looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the > same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to > guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people couldn’t tell > the difference. So if they have technology like that probably sited users > won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. Only difference > is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car would be much > safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing > areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and > structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer. > > > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack >> of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for >> a minute! >> >> It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? >>> There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors >>> but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like >>> some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. >>> What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving >>> features. >>> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >>> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe >>> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able >>> to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t >>> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and >>> from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the >>> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that >>> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked >>> him up. >>> >>> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >>> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
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With the success Google is having, it won't be long until we see one from Apple. Google's testing here in Austin without incident. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > > Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There > were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but > they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some > models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it > did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. >You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had > blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe > that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to > come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t > recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from > work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery > store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would > summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. > > Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they > actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you >> haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >> >> >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple car, anyone?
Oh I think sited users will do just fine. There are screens where the windows would be so they will still be able to see outside. It’s just now they will have night vision and infrared as well as the regular optical spectrum. Depends on how good the screens are I guess. I used to work next to Dolby labs and got a tour once. They had a demonstration of a window that looked outside and then a screen mounted in the wall that looked exactly the same shape / size as the real window and the demonstration was you had to guess which one was real and which was a screen. Most people couldn’t tell the difference. So if they have technology like that probably sited users won’t mind if it’s a glass screen instead of a glass window. Only difference is you can’t roll it down. That being said though the car would be much safer because it doesn’t have all the cutout spots for windows and viewing areas. You can use solid metal panels and have a lot more rigidity and structural stability with out the window so crashes should be safer. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack > of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for a > minute! > > It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! > Cheers, > Donna > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >> Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There >> were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but >> they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some >> models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it >> did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. >> You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had >> blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe >> that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to >> come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t >> recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and >> from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the >> grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that >> would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him >> up. >> >> Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they >> actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. >> >>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if >>> you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >>> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple car, anyone?
Wow, that design does sound pretty hideous. However, I don't think the lack of windows will stand. I don't think cited users would put up with that for a minute! It is interesting what Google has done. Always good to have choices! Cheers, Donna Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > > Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There > were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but > they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some > models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it > did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. >You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had > blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe > that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to > come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t > recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from > work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery > store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would > summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. > > Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they > actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > >> On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you >> haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! >> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front >> >> >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple car, anyone?
Dona, has anyone described to you what this prototype car looks like? There were some photos leaked a while back, who knows since they are rumors but they basically had a pod that had 4 wheels (it’s not a 3 wheeler like some models) and it had no (0) windows. Think about that for a minute. What it did have were screens and cameras and a ton of autonomous driving features. You’d also be interested in what Google is doing. They have already had blind folks operating their autonomous vehicles for a while now. I believe that one of the engineers on the project is blind but I haven’t been able to come up with a name. I saw a special on CNBC about a year ago and can’t recall the gentleman’s name they had who was using the car to get to and from work and to the store etc. It would drop him off in front of the grocery store door, he’d do his thing and come out and hit a key fob that would summon the car that had parked it self and it pulled up and picked him up. Never thought I’d see it in my lifetime, shocks me how far along they actually are. Google has made massive steps forward in machine vision. > On Sep 18, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you > haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! > http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front > > > Cheers, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Apple car, anyone?
Hi all, I just saw this on MacRumors and thought you guys would be interested if you haven't seen it. I sooo want to be a test driver! http://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/18/apple-met-california-dmv-autonomous-vehicle/?utm_source=osx&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=front Cheers, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.