Re: Capslock and VMWare Fusion

[kelly ford]

Hi,

A bit more of an update here.

My preference when I use JAWS on Windows is to use the laptop layout.  As I 
said, I originally had mapped a function key to insert.  The bluetooth keyboard 
I was using had extra function keys so I mapped what showed up as F19.

But my ultimate goal is to use the MacBook’s keyboard directly.  There are no 
function keys, just the Touch Bar.  While I can press function keys using the 
Touch Bar, I have no idea how you hold them to also press a second key.

So now what I’ve done is remapped the Accent key (left edge of the numbers) to 
be Capslock in Fusion.  I then ensure the Windows screen readers are using 
Capslock as a modifier.

Then when I want to issue a Windows screen reader command, I just press and 
hold the accent key with what ever key I want, such as t for Window title.

I’ve tried this now with JAWS, NVDA and Narrator on the Windows VM while 
running VoiceOver on the Mac and so far it is working well.  I can control both 
screen readers (Windows and Mac) and use just the MacBook’s standard keyboard.

The only customization I had to do in the end was open Fusion preferences, 
choose Keyboard and Mouse and then the profile my VMs use and add this one 
extra keyboard mapping.

Kelly

> On Nov 1, 2019, at 1:21 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Out of interest, Kelly, which function key did you assign to insert key?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 1 Nov 2019, at 11:09, ke...@kellford.com <mailto:ke...@kellford.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I haven’t tried this with Capslock yet but since my end goal was to control 
>> a Windows screen reader, did want to mention one discovery.  In VMWare 
>> Fusion, I used the key mappings feature to remap one of the function keys on 
>> my Mac to the Insert key.  So now I can press that key and the appropriate 
>> Windows screen reader key with success.  I didn’t have to jump through other 
>> hoops here.
>>  
>> Kelly
>>  
>> From: kelly ford mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 11:48 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Capslock and VMWare Fusion
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> Thank you for the detailed replies here.  This all mirrors what I thought I 
>> would have to do but I was hoping something might have changed.  I will try 
>> this all.
>>  
>> In the short term, I am using a bluetooth keyboard with a numeric keypad and 
>> issuing the Windows screen reader commands from there is working well.
>>  
>> Beyond that, Fusion is working well to run multiple Windows VMs.
>>  
>> Kelly
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 10:01 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hello Kelly,
>>>  
>>> The problem of the caps key as Jaws key in VMWare Fusion has always been a 
>>> bit of a problem and you will need to jump through a number of hoops to 
>>> make it work.  The way I had accomplished it some years ago, as long as I 
>>> can remember is as follows.
>>> 1. You need to disable caps lock function on the mac side in system 
>>> preferences then keyboard, then press the modifier key options button.  In 
>>> the dialog that will appear, you can specify what actions various modifier 
>>> keys can perform on the mac.  These are popup buttons.  Caps lock key must 
>>> be set to no action because Mac OS doesn’t release caps lock actions to 
>>> windows installations under VMWare Fusion as far as I understand.
>>>  
>>> 2. You need to download a utility for mac called Karabiner Elements from 
>>> the link below:
>>> https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ <https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/>
>>> This utility once installed will allow you to remap the function caps lock 
>>> key to act as an insert key.  As you know, mac doesn’t have insert key so 
>>> you need to remap it so that caps lock key is recognized as insert key.
>>> Once you install Karabiner Elements, depending on your version of OS, you 
>>> may have to grant it permissions in system preferences security & privacy, 
>>> under privacy tab.
>>> Also, Karabiner Elements, once installed, will create an icon for itself in 
>>> menu extra.  That’s how you will always find the app and activate it.  Its 
>>> window easily disappears once you command + tab away from it so I thought 
>>> I’d warn you.
>>> In Karabiner Elements you need to again reassign the function of caps lock 
>>> key

Re: Capslock and VMWare Fusion

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Out of interest, Kelly, which function key did you assign to insert key?

Andrew
> On 1 Nov 2019, at 11:09, ke...@kellford.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I haven’t tried this with Capslock yet but since my end goal was to control a 
> Windows screen reader, did want to mention one discovery.  In VMWare Fusion, 
> I used the key mappings feature to remap one of the function keys on my Mac 
> to the Insert key.  So now I can press that key and the appropriate Windows 
> screen reader key with success.  I didn’t have to jump through other hoops 
> here.
>  
> Kelly
>  
> From: kelly ford mailto:ke...@kellford.com>> 
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 11:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Capslock and VMWare Fusion
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Thank you for the detailed replies here.  This all mirrors what I thought I 
> would have to do but I was hoping something might have changed.  I will try 
> this all.
>  
> In the short term, I am using a bluetooth keyboard with a numeric keypad and 
> issuing the Windows screen reader commands from there is working well.
>  
> Beyond that, Fusion is working well to run multiple Windows VMs.
>  
> Kelly
>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2019, at 10:01 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hello Kelly,
>>  
>> The problem of the caps key as Jaws key in VMWare Fusion has always been a 
>> bit of a problem and you will need to jump through a number of hoops to make 
>> it work.  The way I had accomplished it some years ago, as long as I can 
>> remember is as follows.
>> 1. You need to disable caps lock function on the mac side in system 
>> preferences then keyboard, then press the modifier key options button.  In 
>> the dialog that will appear, you can specify what actions various modifier 
>> keys can perform on the mac.  These are popup buttons.  Caps lock key must 
>> be set to no action because Mac OS doesn’t release caps lock actions to 
>> windows installations under VMWare Fusion as far as I understand.
>>  
>> 2. You need to download a utility for mac called Karabiner Elements from the 
>> link below:
>> https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ <https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/>
>> This utility once installed will allow you to remap the function caps lock 
>> key to act as an insert key.  As you know, mac doesn’t have insert key so 
>> you need to remap it so that caps lock key is recognized as insert key.
>> Once you install Karabiner Elements, depending on your version of OS, you 
>> may have to grant it permissions in system preferences security & privacy, 
>> under privacy tab.
>> Also, Karabiner Elements, once installed, will create an icon for itself in 
>> menu extra.  That’s how you will always find the app and activate it.  Its 
>> window easily disappears once you command + tab away from it so I thought 
>> I’d warn you.
>> In Karabiner Elements you need to again reassign the function of caps lock 
>> key to insert key.  This is relatively straight forward but you will need to 
>> do some exploring.  There are basically two popup buttons in a table left 
>> column says something like from key, and right column says something like, 
>> to key.  You need to choose from caps lock and in the right column to insert 
>> key.
>> This will be all for Mac OS side.
>>  
>> 4. Now once you’ve started Windows in VMWare Fusion, you will need to search 
>> via google for a small utility called sharpkeys.exe by Randyrats, if I 
>> remember.  Download it and install it. Once you launch the sharkkeys.exe 
>> application, you will need to again reassign caps lock to insert key and 
>> insert key to caps key.  This should do it.  I can’t be more helpful on all 
>> the steps of how you’d do this in sharpkeys as I’m not able to look at it 
>> while typing this message but you probably have enough experience to work it 
>> out after you’ve explored sharkeys windows.  Basically sharkeys will change 
>> reassignment of caps lock key and insert key in Windows registry.  You will 
>> need to restart your Windows for the reassignment to take effect.  I don’t 
>> know exactly why you need to reassign caps to insert and then again insertt 
>> to caps but when I did only the former, it didn’t work.  It only worked for 
>> me when I did the insert to caps reassignment as well. Of course you need to 
>> tell Jaws to use capslock key as Jaws key.
>>  
>> Hope this will help, and please anyone chip in if I have made a mistake in 
>> the 

RE: Capslock and VMWare Fusion

[kelly]

Hi,

 

I haven’t tried this with Capslock yet but since my end goal was to control a 
Windows screen reader, did want to mention one discovery.  In VMWare Fusion, I 
used the key mappings feature to remap one of the function keys on my Mac to 
the Insert key.  So now I can press that key and the appropriate Windows screen 
reader key with success.  I didn’t have to jump through other hoops here.

 

Kelly

 

From: kelly ford  
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 11:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Capslock and VMWare Fusion

 

Hi,

 

Thank you for the detailed replies here.  This all mirrors what I thought I 
would have to do but I was hoping something might have changed.  I will try 
this all.

 

In the short term, I am using a bluetooth keyboard with a numeric keypad and 
issuing the Windows screen reader commands from there is working well.

 

Beyond that, Fusion is working well to run multiple Windows VMs.

 

Kelly

 

 





On Oct 19, 2019, at 10:01 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hello Kelly,

 

The problem of the caps key as Jaws key in VMWare Fusion has always been a bit 
of a problem and you will need to jump through a number of hoops to make it 
work.  The way I had accomplished it some years ago, as long as I can remember 
is as follows.

1. You need to disable caps lock function on the mac side in system preferences 
then keyboard, then press the modifier key options button.  In the dialog that 
will appear, you can specify what actions various modifier keys can perform on 
the mac.  These are popup buttons.  Caps lock key must be set to no action 
because Mac OS doesn’t release caps lock actions to windows installations under 
VMWare Fusion as far as I understand.

 

2. You need to download a utility for mac called Karabiner Elements from the 
link below:

https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/

This utility once installed will allow you to remap the function caps lock key 
to act as an insert key.  As you know, mac doesn’t have insert key so you need 
to remap it so that caps lock key is recognized as insert key.

Once you install Karabiner Elements, depending on your version of OS, you may 
have to grant it permissions in system preferences security & privacy, under 
privacy tab.

Also, Karabiner Elements, once installed, will create an icon for itself in 
menu extra.  That’s how you will always find the app and activate it.  Its 
window easily disappears once you command + tab away from it so I thought I’d 
warn you.

In Karabiner Elements you need to again reassign the function of caps lock key 
to insert key.  This is relatively straight forward but you will need to do 
some exploring.  There are basically two popup buttons in a table left column 
says something like from key, and right column says something like, to key.  
You need to choose from caps lock and in the right column to insert key.

This will be all for Mac OS side.

 

4. Now once you’ve started Windows in VMWare Fusion, you will need to search 
via google for a small utility called sharpkeys.exe by Randyrats, if I 
remember.  Download it and install it.  Once you launch the sharkkeys.exe 
application, you will need to again reassign caps lock to insert key and insert 
key to caps key.  This should do it.  I can’t be more helpful on all the steps 
of how you’d do this in sharpkeys as I’m not able to look at it while typing 
this message but you probably have enough experience to work it out after 
you’ve explored sharkeys windows.  Basically sharkeys will change reassignment 
of caps lock key and insert key in Windows registry.  You will need to restart 
your Windows for the reassignment to take effect.  I don’t know exactly why you 
need to reassign caps to insert and then again insertt to caps but when I did 
only the former, it didn’t work.  It only worked for me when I did the insert 
to caps reassignment as well.  Of course you need to tell Jaws to use capslock 
key as Jaws key.

 

Hope this will help, and please anyone chip in if I have made a mistake in the 
above or omitted anything.

 

Andrew





On 18 Oct 2019, at 03:24, kelly ford mailto:ke...@kellford.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe I’ve read solutions to get the Capslock key to work on Windows when 
running under Fusion on the Mac.  Could someone remind me what options might 
exist when doing this on a Macbook Pro so I can control a Windows screen reader 
without using a full sized keyboard?

 

Thank you for any pointers here.

 

Kelly

 

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Re: Capslock and VMWare Fusion

[kelly ford]

Hi,

Thank you for the detailed replies here.  This all mirrors what I thought I 
would have to do but I was hoping something might have changed.  I will try 
this all.

In the short term, I am using a bluetooth keyboard with a numeric keypad and 
issuing the Windows screen reader commands from there is working well.

Beyond that, Fusion is working well to run multiple Windows VMs.

Kelly



> On Oct 19, 2019, at 10:01 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Kelly,
> 
> The problem of the caps key as Jaws key in VMWare Fusion has always been a 
> bit of a problem and you will need to jump through a number of hoops to make 
> it work.  The way I had accomplished it some years ago, as long as I can 
> remember is as follows.
> 1. You need to disable caps lock function on the mac side in system 
> preferences then keyboard, then press the modifier key options button.  In 
> the dialog that will appear, you can specify what actions various modifier 
> keys can perform on the mac.  These are popup buttons.  Caps lock key must be 
> set to no action because Mac OS doesn’t release caps lock actions to windows 
> installations under VMWare Fusion as far as I understand.
> 
> 2. You need to download a utility for mac called Karabiner Elements from the 
> link below:
> https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ 
> This utility once installed will allow you to remap the function caps lock 
> key to act as an insert key.  As you know, mac doesn’t have insert key so you 
> need to remap it so that caps lock key is recognized as insert key.
> Once you install Karabiner Elements, depending on your version of OS, you may 
> have to grant it permissions in system preferences security & privacy, under 
> privacy tab.
> Also, Karabiner Elements, once installed, will create an icon for itself in 
> menu extra.  That’s how you will always find the app and activate it.  Its 
> window easily disappears once you command + tab away from it so I thought I’d 
> warn you.
> In Karabiner Elements you need to again reassign the function of caps lock 
> key to insert key.  This is relatively straight forward but you will need to 
> do some exploring.  There are basically two popup buttons in a table left 
> column says something like from key, and right column says something like, to 
> key.  You need to choose from caps lock and in the right column to insert key.
> This will be all for Mac OS side.
> 
> 4. Now once you’ve started Windows in VMWare Fusion, you will need to search 
> via google for a small utility called sharpkeys.exe by Randyrats, if I 
> remember.  Download it and install it.  Once you launch the sharkkeys.exe 
> application, you will need to again reassign caps lock to insert key and 
> insert key to caps key.  This should do it.  I can’t be more helpful on all 
> the steps of how you’d do this in sharpkeys as I’m not able to look at it 
> while typing this message but you probably have enough experience to work it 
> out after you’ve explored sharkeys windows.  Basically sharkeys will change 
> reassignment of caps lock key and insert key in Windows registry.  You will 
> need to restart your Windows for the reassignment to take effect.  I don’t 
> know exactly why you need to reassign caps to insert and then again insertt 
> to caps but when I did only the former, it didn’t work.  It only worked for 
> me when I did the insert to caps reassignment as well.  Of course you need to 
> tell Jaws to use capslock key as Jaws key.
> 
> Hope this will help, and please anyone chip in if I have made a mistake in 
> the above or omitted anything.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 18 Oct 2019, at 03:24, kelly ford > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> I believe I’ve read solutions to get the Capslock key to work on Windows 
>> when running under Fusion on the Mac.  Could someone remind me what options 
>> might exist when doing this on a Macbook Pro so I can control a Windows 
>> screen reader without using a full sized keyboard?
>>  
>> Thank you for any pointers here.
>>  
>> Kelly
>> 
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Re: Capslock and VMWare Fusion

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hello Kelly,

The problem of the caps key as Jaws key in VMWare Fusion has always been a bit 
of a problem and you will need to jump through a number of hoops to make it 
work.  The way I had accomplished it some years ago, as long as I can remember 
is as follows.
1. You need to disable caps lock function on the mac side in system preferences 
then keyboard, then press the modifier key options button.  In the dialog that 
will appear, you can specify what actions various modifier keys can perform on 
the mac.  These are popup buttons.  Caps lock key must be set to no action 
because Mac OS doesn’t release caps lock actions to windows installations under 
VMWare Fusion as far as I understand.

2. You need to download a utility for mac called Karabiner Elements from the 
link below:
https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ 
This utility once installed will allow you to remap the function caps lock key 
to act as an insert key.  As you know, mac doesn’t have insert key so you need 
to remap it so that caps lock key is recognized as insert key.
Once you install Karabiner Elements, depending on your version of OS, you may 
have to grant it permissions in system preferences security & privacy, under 
privacy tab.
Also, Karabiner Elements, once installed, will create an icon for itself in 
menu extra.  That’s how you will always find the app and activate it.  Its 
window easily disappears once you command + tab away from it so I thought I’d 
warn you.
In Karabiner Elements you need to again reassign the function of caps lock key 
to insert key.  This is relatively straight forward but you will need to do 
some exploring.  There are basically two popup buttons in a table left column 
says something like from key, and right column says something like, to key.  
You need to choose from caps lock and in the right column to insert key.
This will be all for Mac OS side.

4. Now once you’ve started Windows in VMWare Fusion, you will need to search 
via google for a small utility called sharpkeys.exe by Randyrats, if I 
remember.  Download it and install it.  Once you launch the sharkkeys.exe 
application, you will need to again reassign caps lock to insert key and insert 
key to caps key.  This should do it.  I can’t be more helpful on all the steps 
of how you’d do this in sharpkeys as I’m not able to look at it while typing 
this message but you probably have enough experience to work it out after 
you’ve explored sharkeys windows.  Basically sharkeys will change reassignment 
of caps lock key and insert key in Windows registry.  You will need to restart 
your Windows for the reassignment to take effect.  I don’t know exactly why you 
need to reassign caps to insert and then again insertt to caps but when I did 
only the former, it didn’t work.  It only worked for me when I did the insert 
to caps reassignment as well.  Of course you need to tell Jaws to use capslock 
key as Jaws key.

Hope this will help, and please anyone chip in if I have made a mistake in the 
above or omitted anything.

Andrew

> On 18 Oct 2019, at 03:24, kelly ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I believe I’ve read solutions to get the Capslock key to work on Windows when 
> running under Fusion on the Mac.  Could someone remind me what options might 
> exist when doing this on a Macbook Pro so I can control a Windows screen 
> reader without using a full sized keyboard?
>  
> Thank you for any pointers here.
>  
> Kelly
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Re: Capslock and VMWare Fusion

[Pete De Vasto]

Kelly,

It’s annoying problem, and I guess it’s been around for a while. I did some 
research after getting your e-mail, and what I’m seeing so far is that, in 
VMware Fusion, you have to go to Virtual Machine > Send key > Caps Lock, and 
when you press it once my screen reader (JAWS) does say Caps lock on. I tried 
it, and it does work, but then it seems like Caps lock on the Mac and Caps lock 
on the VM are no longer in sync. I’ll try doing more research today if I get 
time and will report back.

Pete De Vasto

> On Oct 17, 2019, at 7:24 PM, kelly ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I believe I’ve read solutions to get the Capslock key to work on Windows when 
> running under Fusion on the Mac.  Could someone remind me what options might 
> exist when doing this on a Macbook Pro so I can control a Windows screen 
> reader without using a full sized keyboard?
>  
> Thank you for any pointers here.
>  
> Kelly
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Capslock and VMWare Fusion

[kelly ford]

Hi,

 

I believe I’ve read solutions to get the Capslock key to work on Windows when 
running under Fusion on the Mac.  Could someone remind me what options might 
exist when doing this on a Macbook Pro so I can control a Windows screen reader 
without using a full sized keyboard?

 

Thank you for any pointers here.

 

Kelly

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