Re: Hazel Discussion

[Keith Watson]

Nick,

You have to build custom tokens that will match on what you are looking for. 
Its easy once you Grok what is going on but a bear until you do. I probably 
need to sit down and record something for AppleVis on how its done.

Keith
On Apr 9, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Hey Keith,
> 
> I've only really started dipping my toe in the water with Hazel, Keyboard 
> Maestro and TextExpander. I'm getting use out of all of them, but not as much 
> as you.
> 
> One thing that I still haven't played with, is getting Hazel to rename files 
> in the way that you mentioned. For instance, how do you get Hazel to extract 
> the amount payable? Surely in any bill there are a whole bunch of dollar 
> amounts, so how does Hazel know which is the total amount payable and which 
> is just a subtotal or minimum payment or some other figure?
> 
> Same goes for dates. How does Hazel know which is the due date, which is the 
> issued date etcetera.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nic
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Re: Hazel Discussion

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hey Keith,

I've only really started dipping my toe in the water with Hazel, Keyboard 
Maestro and TextExpander. I'm getting use out of all of them, but not as much 
as you.

One thing that I still haven't played with, is getting Hazel to rename files in 
the way that you mentioned. For instance, how do you get Hazel to extract the 
amount payable? Surely in any bill there are a whole bunch of dollar amounts, 
so how does Hazel know which is the total amount payable and which is just a 
subtotal or minimum payment or some other figure?

Same goes for dates. How does Hazel know which is the due date, which is the 
issued date etcetera.

Cheers,
Nic

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Re: Hazel Discussion

[Keith Watson]

Oops, addressed that last note to Nick instead of Deb. Friggin rookie blind guy 
mistake. Preaching to the choir by addressing it to Nick. 
On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Hi Teresa,
> 
> Automator can create folders which it watches and then performs certain 
> actions if a file is placed in that folder. Hazel is different in that it 
> will perform the action only if the given conditions are met, and these 
> conditions are quite powerful. Moreover, it is easier to setup as you just 
> select the folder you want Hazel to watch from the Hazel system preference 
> pane, and then add the rules. A bit like Rules in Apple Mail for Mac. You can 
> download and trial it for free if you're interested in how it differs from 
> Automator.
> 
> Best,
> Nic
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Re: Hazel Discussion

[Keith Watson]

Nick,

Theoretically you could use KM to do what Hazel does. But it would be like 
using a hammer to chop down a tree. The hatchet is a much better tool for the 
job. Hazel does a particular type of job well so why not use the better tool.

Here let me give you an example of a task that Hazel does that KM can't, or at 
least Peter Lewis has yet to introduce the functionality. Scott mentioned my 
AT&T workflow on the podcast we did. The very last part of that flow is for 
Hazel to move the file into my AT&T folder. She then looks inside the pdf for a 
particular string. Due date and Amount Due. This is a way cool work around for 
functionality that Hazel does not have. I have her rename the file to something 
like this.

April|13|2014|$165

So now she can parse that filename into variables in an AppleScript, use those 
variables to build an email and calendar event, send the email and put the 
event into my shared calendar so my wife does not forget to pay it by the due 
date. She then renames the file back to a name that reflects the month the bill 
is for and then moves it off into a subfolder for the year. Crap that was hard 
to put into words! The point is that all I physically did to get all that done 
was type a command option a and put in a password. If I were not so stubborn I 
would let the password be entered from my keychain and be done with it. I am 
not yet trusting enough for jumping off that cliff.

So to sum it up, I use KM to do the heavy lifting of going out and getting the 
bill from the AT&T site. Hazel then takes over and manipulates the hell out of 
it. I absolutely get an endorphin rush every time I do this for my AT&T and 
Verizon bills. I freaking hated taking the time to do this every month.

Here's another KM Macro I wrote today. I own a WeMo thanks to the MPU podcast. 
The latest version of the IOS app is broken. I can no longer turn it on or off 
or create schedules through the app. To hell with them. I now have a hot key 
that will toggle it for me and if I need to schedule it I can either create a 
launchedD  task or use IFTTT to do what I need. My choice.

Hi my name is Keith and I am an Automation addict!

On Apr 6, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:

> Yes, hazel is exactly what I need. I hve Microsoft One Drive which has
> been syncing my work documents across my Pcs and Mac. My office is
> moving to One Drive Pro but there's no Mac option yet. so, I plan to
> maintain my One Drive across tdevices as appropriate, but I need
> certain files to replicate in both locations. I could use a naming
> convention or a particular subfolder and Hazel could theoretically
> copy them to the other folder on the Mac.
> Now, couldn't I also do this with Keyboard Maestro or what am I
> missing? I haven't purchased either of them yet.
> 
> On 4/6/14, Nicholas Parsons  wrote:
>> Hi Teresa,
>> 
>> Automator can create folders which it watches and then performs certain
>> actions if a file is placed in that folder. Hazel is different in that it
>> will perform the action only if the given conditions are met, and these
>> conditions are quite powerful. Moreover, it is easier to setup as you just
>> select the folder you want Hazel to watch from the Hazel system preference
>> pane, and then add the rules. A bit like Rules in Apple Mail for Mac. You
>> can download and trial it for free if you're interested in how it differs
>> from Automator.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Nic
>> 
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Re: Hazel Discussion

[Deb Lewis]

Yes, hazel is exactly what I need. I hve Microsoft One Drive which has
been syncing my work documents across my Pcs and Mac. My office is
moving to One Drive Pro but there's no Mac option yet. so, I plan to
maintain my One Drive across tdevices as appropriate, but I need
certain files to replicate in both locations. I could use a naming
convention or a particular subfolder and Hazel could theoretically
copy them to the other folder on the Mac.
Now, couldn't I also do this with Keyboard Maestro or what am I
missing? I haven't purchased either of them yet.

On 4/6/14, Nicholas Parsons  wrote:
> Hi Teresa,
>
> Automator can create folders which it watches and then performs certain
> actions if a file is placed in that folder. Hazel is different in that it
> will perform the action only if the given conditions are met, and these
> conditions are quite powerful. Moreover, it is easier to setup as you just
> select the folder you want Hazel to watch from the Hazel system preference
> pane, and then add the rules. A bit like Rules in Apple Mail for Mac. You
> can download and trial it for free if you're interested in how it differs
> from Automator.
>
> Best,
> Nic
>
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Re: Hazel Discussion

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi Teresa,

Automator can create folders which it watches and then performs certain actions 
if a file is placed in that folder. Hazel is different in that it will perform 
the action only if the given conditions are met, and these conditions are quite 
powerful. Moreover, it is easier to setup as you just select the folder you 
want Hazel to watch from the Hazel system preference pane, and then add the 
rules. A bit like Rules in Apple Mail for Mac. You can download and trial it 
for free if you're interested in how it differs from Automator.

Best,
Nic

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Re: Hazel Discussion

[Teresa Cochran]

Forgive me if this is an obvious question, but how does Hazel differ from 
Automater?

Teresa
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On Apr 6, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Emilio  wrote:

> To begin the conversation, Hazel is a file management program that automates 
> various tasks. These tasks are known as "rules," which a user develops by 
> first, selecting a folder, second, titling, and adding a rule, and finally, 
> setting the criteria the rule will execute. For instance, I have a rule that 
> basically tells my downloads folder to move files that are named with the 
> title "take control," into a separate sub-folder elsewhere on my HD. Noodle 
> Soft, is the software development company that produces Hazel. Moreover, 
> Hazel can be tried for two weeks until a decision will need to be made to 
> purchase the program for $25. Mac Power Users is a podcast where I first 
> learned about Hazel. This podcast is one I highly recommend because at the 
> minimum, co-hosts David and Katie, along with special guests, offer 
> innovative ideas, methods, and techniques on how to increase one's 
> productivity with their Apple products. A link to the podcast discussing 
> Hazel and be found here - enjoy.
> 
> Hazel podcast 79
> 
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Hazel Discussion

[Emilio]

To begin the conversation, Hazel is a file management program that 
automates various tasks. These tasks are known as “rules,” which a user 
develops by first, selecting a folder, second, titling, and adding a rule, 
and finally, setting the criteria the rule will execute. For instance, I 
have a rule that basically tells my downloads folder to move files that are 
named with the title “take control,” into a separate sub-folder elsewhere 
on my HD. Noodle Soft,  is the software 
development company that produces Hazel. Moreover, Hazel can be tried for 
two weeks until a decision will need to be made to purchase the program for 
$25. Mac Power Users  is a podcast where I 
first learned about Hazel. This podcast is one I highly recommend because 
at the minimum, co-hosts David and Katie, along with special guests, offer 
innovative ideas, methods, and techniques on how to increase one’s 
productivity with their Apple products. A link to the podcast discussing 
Hazel and be found here - enjoy.

Hazel podcast 79

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