Lion has potential, but...
I will start by saying, at this given time, I see no reason for me to downgrade back to 10.6, however, I do have some initial thoughts. I am not exactly the most fond either of how Mail now works. It's ok, I recken, but it takes some getting used to. I don't think I can really be specific. I think it's more just a different look/feel in general, more in a whole, and thus it's just a little bit awquard. I'll get it, it's just gonna take a little bit of time. I love! ab, suh, lootly? love! the new single letter navigation with Quick Nav. The only thing I do not like is I've noticed when navigating headings on a web page, if I hit h then very quickly interupt speech, and hit it again, it usually doesn't move, unless I wait about 2 or so seconds between hitting the key. This I find somewhat annoying. ITunes is now a complete mess! in my view. You cannot hear the content of your text view list in your music table, unless you interact with the table, then vo+right arrow over to the name column. The grid view tends to be a bit sluggish when navigating the whole library without narrowing things down with the search box. Unless you narrow things down with a search, you might as well totally! forget navigating the music text view table area unless your library is fairly small. I'm unsure at this time if maybe it has to migrate your library and is re-encoding things, or maybe redownloading artwork, etc. I doubt it though as if I don't play anything but just open the app, there isn't an LCD section to interact with, which tells me it's really not doing anything. I love the ability of the new voices. I'm not so fond of their size, and how much quality you lose through the compact versions, but, I do have to give credit to the fact these voices are high quality, so they're not exactly meant! to be small, in Apple's defense, and in all fairness. I've not tested the Adium issue people stated earlier about if the new voices are loaded, events not reading. That would be really aggervating if so. I wonder if there is maybe an Adium update that may fix this. I'm not even sure Apple needs to fix this issue. that might be more on the Adium developers. I've never noticed that apple.com whatever thing coming up at start up that you all mention. The ability to remember window states upon quitting is down, flippen right, the worst thing I think they've done. What if a program is in an unopperable state. OK, just quit it, right?... Wrong! Yeah, you try that and see what it does! You'll land right back where you were before you quit the app. O, K. Yes, I have heard about hitting option+command+Q instead of just command+Q, but that doesn't work. the only way to get around this that I have found is to make sure you're not interacting with a single thing in the entire app, then vo+home, and then vo+left arrow until you get to the close button. Once there, route the mouse with vo+command+F5, then, while holding the option key down, again, I said option, not control, that was notta typo. I meant what I said very purposefully. While holding the option key down, click the actual physical mouse/track pad with track pad commander turned off. If you don't havfe a mouse, oh, jee, well, I'm sorry to inform you, you're s o l, then. So, on that note, gag me with a spoon, why don't ya! Oh yeah, there is the check box you can uncheck to remember restored windows states which is in system prefs/general, but I'm telling you now, don't even attempt. You're waisting your time. The box seems to be broken something fierce. I have! escolated this to Apple engineering, and I have a senior advisor who's suposed to be getting back with me at some point in time with a hopeful resolution. For now though, it's broken, trust me. Frankly, not to brag, but right now, I got everyone at apple in that particular call center pretty stumped according to what the advisor told me. Finally, I have a friend who's got a packmate 40 braille display. He tells me that he has to stop voiceover and unload then reload it to switch braille tables, and when switching to a language that doesn't use the A B C latin based alphabet, he's seeing nothing but question marks on the display. He tried this both with the Greek, and with the Arabic tables using scriptural texts found on biblegateway.org I love! the way Alix now pronounces things a bit more clearly. It's suddle, yes, but it is there. Did anyone notice? Though spelled the same way, v, e, r, b, o, c, i, t, y, that normally alex says verbocity just like before, but that if you go into the activity area of the Vo utility he'll say it more verbawlcity? Why! Is that not bazaar? Anyway, so those are my first impressions. Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe
Re: Lion has potential, but...
I haven't noticed anything that could be wrong with ITunes, other than that letter navigation in the browser seems to be broken. It has been so before. Was it a dealb breaker then? No it wasn't. Is it a deal breaker now? No it isn't. iTunes seems to be very sluggish sometimes, but then again, it has never been the fastest program in the world. That remembering the window position, i haven't seen, but then again i haven't seen everything, and probably never will.:-) /Krister 21 jul 2011 kl. 17:19 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland: I will start by saying, at this given time, I see no reason for me to downgrade back to 10.6, however, I do have some initial thoughts. I am not exactly the most fond either of how Mail now works. It's ok, I recken, but it takes some getting used to. I don't think I can really be specific. I think it's more just a different look/feel in general, more in a whole, and thus it's just a little bit awquard. I'll get it, it's just gonna take a little bit of time. I love! ab, suh, lootly? love! the new single letter navigation with Quick Nav. The only thing I do not like is I've noticed when navigating headings on a web page, if I hit h then very quickly interupt speech, and hit it again, it usually doesn't move, unless I wait about 2 or so seconds between hitting the key. This I find somewhat annoying. ITunes is now a complete mess! in my view. You cannot hear the content of your text view list in your music table, unless you interact with the table, then vo+right arrow over to the name column. The grid view tends to be a bit sluggish when navigating the whole library without narrowing things down with the search box. Unless you narrow things down with a search, you might as well totally! forget navigating the music text view table area unless your library is fairly small. I'm unsure at this time if maybe it has to migrate your library and is re-encoding things, or maybe redownloading artwork, etc. I doubt it though as if I don't play anything but just open the app, there isn't an LCD section to interact with, which tells me it's really not doing anything. I love the ability of the new voices. I'm not so fond of their size, and how much quality you lose through the compact versions, but, I do have to give credit to the fact these voices are high quality, so they're not exactly meant! to be small, in Apple's defense, and in all fairness. I've not tested the Adium issue people stated earlier about if the new voices are loaded, events not reading. That would be really aggervating if so. I wonder if there is maybe an Adium update that may fix this. I'm not even sure Apple needs to fix this issue. that might be more on the Adium developers. I've never noticed that apple.com whatever thing coming up at start up that you all mention. The ability to remember window states upon quitting is down, flippen right, the worst thing I think they've done. What if a program is in an unopperable state. OK, just quit it, right?... Wrong! Yeah, you try that and see what it does! You'll land right back where you were before you quit the app. O, K. Yes, I have heard about hitting option+command+Q instead of just command+Q, but that doesn't work. the only way to get around this that I have found is to make sure you're not interacting with a single thing in the entire app, then vo+home, and then vo+left arrow until you get to the close button. Once there, route the mouse with vo+command+F5, then, while holding the option key down, again, I said option, not control, that was notta typo. I meant what I said very purposefully. While holding the option key down, click the actual physical mouse/track pad with track pad commander turned off. If you don't havfe a mouse, oh, jee, well, I'm sorry to inform you, you're s o l, then. So, on that note, gag me with a spoon, why don't ya! Oh yeah, there is the check box you can uncheck to remember restored windows states which is in system prefs/general, but I'm telling you now, don't even attempt. You're waisting your time. The box seems to be broken something fierce. I have! escolated this to Apple engineering, and I have a senior advisor who's suposed to be getting back with me at some point in time with a hopeful resolution. For now though, it's broken, trust me. Frankly, not to brag, but right now, I got everyone at apple in that particular call center pretty stumped according to what the advisor told me. Finally, I have a friend who's got a packmate 40 braille display. He tells me that he has to stop voiceover and unload then reload it to switch braille tables, and when switching to a language that doesn't use the A B C latin based alphabet, he's seeing nothing but question marks on the display. He tried this both with the Greek, and with the Arabic tables using scriptural texts found on
RE: Lion has potential, but...
Hi! Thanks for sharing your first impressions. I don't use itunes; haven't quite figured that out yet, so I can't testify to the issues with that. I'm using mail just fine, although I confess that I did switch to classic view. It doesn't seem sluggish at all, but then again, I only have a single pop 3 account, and for now, minimal messages go to that account. Once I'm more comfortable with using it, I plan to route my messages from this list to the mac, but I want to be more familiar with things first. I haven't tried saphari yet, but plan to do so later. I love the new voices, Lee and Karen in particular, although I find it humorous that Karen can't pronounce her own name. Typing echo with Alex seems a bit quirky, but the new voices keep up fairly well. I am going to go and disable autocorrect as soon as I post this message, though; it's very annoying, especially if I'm trying to type a tweet. I've already started threads regarding my two biggest concerns, and those issues still hold true. Over all, I don't regret updating, and probably won't go back to SL because I'm too much of an apple newbie to spot most of the issues mentioned here. With that being said, however, there is a part of me that is wishing I would have stuck with my original plan of giving it a few days/weeks and waiting for some tutorials and stuff to be released. Still, I made a DVD and even a flashdrive backup of the lion install, and have a CCC backup of my HD immediately prior to the lion install, so if things get too unbearable, I can always revert to SL. Like I said, though, I probably won't do that as neither of my issues are deal breakers, exactly, just major annoyances. I will probably call my cousin who works for apple at some point, but at the moment, I'm not exactly sure what I'd ask him about. I'm sorry that you and some other folks are having much more serious issues with Lion than the ones I've discovered, but hopefully apple will get everything fixed fairly soon. For now, I'm off to listen to these files that were just posted. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Lion has potential, but... I will start by saying, at this given time, I see no reason for me to downgrade back to 10.6, however, I do have some initial thoughts. I am not exactly the most fond either of how Mail now works. It's ok, I recken, but it takes some getting used to. I don't think I can really be specific. I think it's more just a different look/feel in general, more in a whole, and thus it's just a little bit awquard. I'll get it, it's just gonna take a little bit of time. I love! ab, suh, lootly? love! the new single letter navigation with Quick Nav. The only thing I do not like is I've noticed when navigating headings on a web page, if I hit h then very quickly interupt speech, and hit it again, it usually doesn't move, unless I wait about 2 or so seconds between hitting the key. This I find somewhat annoying. ITunes is now a complete mess! in my view. You cannot hear the content of your text view list in your music table, unless you interact with the table, then vo+right arrow over to the name column. The grid view tends to be a bit sluggish when navigating the whole library without narrowing things down with the search box. Unless you narrow things down with a search, you might as well totally! forget navigating the music text view table area unless your library is fairly small. I'm unsure at this time if maybe it has to migrate your library and is re-encoding things, or maybe redownloading artwork, etc. I doubt it though as if I don't play anything but just open the app, there isn't an LCD section to interact with, which tells me it's really not doing anything. I love the ability of the new voices. I'm not so fond of their size, and how much quality you lose through the compact versions, but, I do have to give credit to the fact these voices are high quality, so they're not exactly meant! to be small, in Apple's defense, and in all fairness. I've not tested the Adium issue people stated earlier about if the new voices are loaded, events not reading. That would be really aggervating if so. I wonder if there is maybe an Adium update that may fix this. I'm not even sure Apple needs to fix this issue. that might be more on the Adium developers. I've never noticed that apple.com whatever thing coming up at start up that you all mention. The ability to remember window states upon quitting is down, flippen right, the worst thing I think they've done. What if a program is in an unopperable state. OK, just quit it, right?... Wrong! Yeah, you try that and see what it does! You'll land right back where you were before you quit the app. O, K. Yes, I have heard about hitting option+command+Q instead
Re: Lion has potential, but...
Hello. Sometimes, you can hit Command+w to close the window of the application you are in. Then you can hit Command+q. If I am in a web site that I don't want Safari to remember the next time I start it, I hit Command+w to close that window. Then, I hit command+q to close the actual application. If I do that, the next time I start Safari, it starts on the home page, which is Google in my case. I would think you could use Command+w with other applications besides Safari. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I will start by saying, at this given time, I see no reason for me to downgrade back to 10.6, however, I do have some initial thoughts. I am not exactly the most fond either of how Mail now works. It's ok, I recken, but it takes some getting used to. I don't think I can really be specific. I think it's more just a different look/feel in general, more in a whole, and thus it's just a little bit awquard. I'll get it, it's just gonna take a little bit of time. I love! ab, suh, lootly? love! the new single letter navigation with Quick Nav. The only thing I do not like is I've noticed when navigating headings on a web page, if I hit h then very quickly interupt speech, and hit it again, it usually doesn't move, unless I wait about 2 or so seconds between hitting the key. This I find somewhat annoying. ITunes is now a complete mess! in my view. You cannot hear the content of your text view list in your music table, unless you interact with the table, then vo+right arrow over to the name column. The grid view tends to be a bit sluggish when navigating the whole library without narrowing things down with the search box. Unless you narrow things down with a search, you might as well totally! forget navigating the music text view table area unless your library is fairly small. I'm unsure at this time if maybe it has to migrate your library and is re-encoding things, or maybe redownloading artwork, etc. I doubt it though as if I don't play anything but just open the app, there isn't an LCD section to interact with, which tells me it's really not doing anything. I love the ability of the new voices. I'm not so fond of their size, and how much quality you lose through the compact versions, but, I do have to give credit to the fact these voices are high quality, so they're not exactly meant! to be small, in Apple's defense, and in all fairness. I've not tested the Adium issue people stated earlier about if the new voices are loaded, events not reading. That would be really aggervating if so. I wonder if there is maybe an Adium update that may fix this. I'm not even sure Apple needs to fix this issue. that might be more on the Adium developers. I've never noticed that apple.com whatever thing coming up at start up that you all mention. The ability to remember window states upon quitting is down, flippen right, the worst thing I think they've done. What if a program is in an unopperable state. OK, just quit it, right?... Wrong! Yeah, you try that and see what it does! You'll land right back where you were before you quit the app. O, K. Yes, I have heard about hitting option+command+Q instead of just command+Q, but that doesn't work. the only way to get around this that I have found is to make sure you're not interacting with a single thing in the entire app, then vo+home, and then vo+left arrow until you get to the close button. Once there, route the mouse with vo+command+F5, then, while holding the option key down, again, I said option, not control, that was notta typo. I meant what I said very purposefully. While holding the option key down, click the actual physical mouse/track pad with track pad commander turned off. If you don't havfe a mouse, oh, jee, well, I'm sorry to inform you, you're s o l, then. So, on that note, gag me with a spoon, why don't ya! Oh yeah, there is the check box you can uncheck to remember restored windows states which is in system prefs/general, but I'm telling you now, don't even attempt. You're waisting your time. The box seems to be broken something fierce. I have! escolated this to Apple engineering, and I have a senior advisor who's suposed to be getting back with me at some point in time with a hopeful resolution. For now though, it's broken, trust me. Frankly, not to brag, but right now, I got everyone at apple in that particular call center pretty stumped according to what the advisor told me. Finally, I have a friend who's got a packmate 40 braille display. He tells me that he has to stop voiceover and unload then reload it to switch braille tables, and when switching to a language that doesn't use the A B C latin based alphabet, he's seeing nothing but question marks on the display. He tried this both with the Greek, and with the Arabic tables using scriptural texts found
Re: Lion has potential, but...
I don't think so. It works 100% of the time hear at least. if in text edit and you press command w, a save dialog will pop up. After deciding if you want to save or not, the window will close, and it will not open the next time you launch text edit. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:53 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: That's doesn't always seem to work. Especially not in Text Edit which is where I first noticed the issue. Chris. - Original Message - From: Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Lion has potential, but... Hello. Sometimes, you can hit Command+w to close the window of the application you are in. Then you can hit Command+q. If I am in a web site that I don't want Safari to remember the next time I start it, I hit Command+w to close that window. Then, I hit command+q to close the actual application. If I do that, the next time I start Safari, it starts on the home page, which is Google in my case. I would think you could use Command+w with other applications besides Safari. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I will start by saying, at this given time, I see no reason for me to downgrade back to 10.6, however, I do have some initial thoughts. I am not exactly the most fond either of how Mail now works. It's ok, I recken, but it takes some getting used to. I don't think I can really be specific. I think it's more just a different look/feel in general, more in a whole, and thus it's just a little bit awquard. I'll get it, it's just gonna take a little bit of time. I love! ab, suh, lootly? love! the new single letter navigation with Quick Nav. The only thing I do not like is I've noticed when navigating headings on a web page, if I hit h then very quickly interupt speech, and hit it again, it usually doesn't move, unless I wait about 2 or so seconds between hitting the key. This I find somewhat annoying. ITunes is now a complete mess! in my view. You cannot hear the content of your text view list in your music table, unless you interact with the table, then vo+right arrow over to the name column. The grid view tends to be a bit sluggish when navigating the whole library without narrowing things down with the search box. Unless you narrow things down with a search, you might as well totally! forget navigating the music text view table area unless your library is fairly small. I'm unsure at this time if maybe it has to migrate your library and is re-encoding things, or maybe redownloading artwork, etc. I doubt it though as if I don't play anything but just open the app, there isn't an LCD section to interact with, which tells me it's really not doing anything. I love the ability of the new voices. I'm not so fond of their size, and how much quality you lose through the compact versions, but, I do have to give credit to the fact these voices are high quality, so they're not exactly meant! to be small, in Apple's defense, and in all fairness. I've not tested the Adium issue people stated earlier about if the new voices are loaded, events not reading. That would be really aggervating if so. I wonder if there is maybe an Adium update that may fix this. I'm not even sure Apple needs to fix this issue. that might be more on the Adium developers. I've never noticed that apple.com whatever thing coming up at start up that you all mention. The ability to remember window states upon quitting is down, flippen right, the worst thing I think they've done. What if a program is in an unopperable state. OK, just quit it, right?... Wrong! Yeah, you try that and see what it does! You'll land right back where you were before you quit the app. O, K. Yes, I have heard about hitting option+command+Q instead of just command+Q, but that doesn't work. the only way to get around this that I have found is to make sure you're not interacting with a single thing in the entire app, then vo+home, and then vo+left arrow until you get to the close button. Once there, route the mouse with vo+command+F5, then, while holding the option key down, again, I said option, not control, that was notta typo. I meant what I said very purposefully. While holding the option key down, click the actual physical mouse/track pad with track pad commander turned off. If you don't havfe a mouse, oh, jee, well, I'm sorry to inform you, you're s o l, then. So, on that note, gag me with a spoon, why don't ya! Oh yeah, there is the check box you can uncheck to remember restored windows states which is in system prefs/general, but I'm telling you now, don't even attempt. You're waisting your time. The box seems to be broken something fierce. I have! escolated this to Apple
