Re: It's now fixed was Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Alex, Yay! Very happy you were able to get the CD out. That's good news also glad your library isn't as insane as I had thought : smile : Sometimes walking away and cooling off and regrouping is the best thing to do. Best Wishes Jenny On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > It is $40 a CD for a 5 disk set because the other four would have > useless without #1. But Anywho, It is out. shaking the MBP seems to > have done it after all, putting it down and walking away from it was > one of the best things to do at the moment. > > Yay, > Alex, > > > On 8-Jul-09, at 11:57 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Alex, >> Everyone has already suggested what I was going to suggest. I was >> going to say put something on the end of the tweezers so they don't >> scratch the CD but that would make the whole point of using them in >> the first place kind of dumb. >> >> No offence, but that library sounds crazy! 200 dollars? Yikes! I hope >> the book or whatever it is is good. I hope as it was the library who >> put the lable on the disk which I have always been told not to do just >> because of cases like this, will either forgive you the 200 or pay for >> any damages their dumb lable has caused. >> Let us know how it comes out. >> Best wishes >> Jenny >> >> On 7/8/09, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>> Try grabbing the CD as it is ejected with a pair of tweezers. >>> SOmetimes you can even angle the machine, which sometimes helps. >>> Good luck, I think with a little patients, you can snag and extract >>> it. >>> On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:21 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >>> I think this is going to be more of a hardware issue since the drive is actually trying but failing to eject. Is the computer covered under apple care? My adventureus side wants to tell you to try ejecting it when the optical drive is facing downwards - ie: the mbp is stood sideways vertically. You may find that even though the disk is not fully ejected you will be able to get enough of a grasp on it to be rather stubbon when pulling it out. Having said this, if the machine is still covered, its probably best for its user to spend some qualitty time with her boyfriend untill the machine can be scene to incase you inadvertently make the issue worse. On 08/07/2009, Barry Hadder wrote: > > Alex, > > Try force quit and relaunch finder. > > Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. > > > If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ > volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of > the > drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal > window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the > disk. > > Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ > volumename > > And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't > remember > off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start > sound > press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. > Then > type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. > > And if that doesn't work: > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > >> >> very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... >> sorry >> again. >> mike >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >> >>> >>> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for >>> pricing information for the new macbook pro's? >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we can catch it before it goes back in. As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. Regards, Alex, > >>> >>> Michael Babcock >>> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >>> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >>> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >>> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >>> url: http://gwhosting.net >>> >>> >> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >
It's now fixed was Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Hi, It is $40 a CD for a 5 disk set because the other four would have useless without #1. But Anywho, It is out. shaking the MBP seems to have done it after all, putting it down and walking away from it was one of the best things to do at the moment. Yay, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 11:57 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Alex, > Everyone has already suggested what I was going to suggest. I was > going to say put something on the end of the tweezers so they don't > scratch the CD but that would make the whole point of using them in > the first place kind of dumb. > > No offence, but that library sounds crazy! 200 dollars? Yikes! I hope > the book or whatever it is is good. I hope as it was the library who > put the lable on the disk which I have always been told not to do just > because of cases like this, will either forgive you the 200 or pay for > any damages their dumb lable has caused. > Let us know how it comes out. > Best wishes > Jenny > > On 7/8/09, Scott Howell wrote: >> >> Try grabbing the CD as it is ejected with a pair of tweezers. >> SOmetimes you can even angle the machine, which sometimes helps. >> Good luck, I think with a little patients, you can snag and extract >> it. >> On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:21 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> I think this is going to be more of a hardware issue since the drive >>> is actually trying but failing to eject. >>> Is the computer covered under apple care? >>> My adventureus side wants to tell you to try ejecting it when the >>> optical drive is facing downwards - ie: the mbp is stood sideways >>> vertically. You may find that even though the disk is not fully >>> ejected you will be able to get enough of a grasp on it to be rather >>> stubbon when pulling it out. >>> >>> Having said this, if the machine is still covered, its probably best >>> for its user to spend some qualitty time with her boyfriend untill >>> the >>> machine can be scene to incase you inadvertently make the issue >>> worse. >>> >>> On 08/07/2009, Barry Hadder wrote: Alex, Try force quit and relaunch finder. Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ volumename And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. Then type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. And if that doesn't work: On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > > very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... > sorry > again. > mike > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > >> >> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for >> pricing information for the new macbook pro's? >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until >>> today. >>> We >>> put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on >>> it >>> and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it >>> gets >>> stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out >>> that >>> we >>> can catch it before it goes back in. >>> >>> As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as >>> how I >>> can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here >>> until >>> Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. >>> >>> I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. >>> >>> Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> >> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >> url: http://gwhosting.net >> >> >>> > > Michael Babcock > GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web > Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 > email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net > administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net > url: http://gwhosting.net > > >> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kind regards, BEN. >>> >>> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >>> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >>> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Alex, Everyone has already suggested what I was going to suggest. I was going to say put something on the end of the tweezers so they don't scratch the CD but that would make the whole point of using them in the first place kind of dumb. No offence, but that library sounds crazy! 200 dollars? Yikes! I hope the book or whatever it is is good. I hope as it was the library who put the lable on the disk which I have always been told not to do just because of cases like this, will either forgive you the 200 or pay for any damages their dumb lable has caused. Let us know how it comes out. Best wishes Jenny On 7/8/09, Scott Howell wrote: > > Try grabbing the CD as it is ejected with a pair of tweezers. > SOmetimes you can even angle the machine, which sometimes helps. > Good luck, I think with a little patients, you can snag and extract it. > On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:21 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> I think this is going to be more of a hardware issue since the drive >> is actually trying but failing to eject. >> Is the computer covered under apple care? >> My adventureus side wants to tell you to try ejecting it when the >> optical drive is facing downwards - ie: the mbp is stood sideways >> vertically. You may find that even though the disk is not fully >> ejected you will be able to get enough of a grasp on it to be rather >> stubbon when pulling it out. >> >> Having said this, if the machine is still covered, its probably best >> for its user to spend some qualitty time with her boyfriend untill the >> machine can be scene to incase you inadvertently make the issue worse. >> >> On 08/07/2009, Barry Hadder wrote: >>> >>> Alex, >>> >>> Try force quit and relaunch finder. >>> >>> Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. >>> >>> >>> If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ >>> volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the >>> drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal >>> window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. >>> >>> Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ >>> volumename >>> >>> And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember >>> off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound >>> press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. >>> Then >>> type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. >>> >>> And if that doesn't work: >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >>> very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... sorry again. mike On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > > um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for > pricing information for the new macbook pro's? > On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. >> We >> put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on >> it >> and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it >> gets >> stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that >> we >> can catch it before it goes back in. >> >> As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as >> how I >> can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here >> until >> Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. >> >> I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. >> >> Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> >>> > > Michael Babcock > GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web > Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 > email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net > administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net > url: http://gwhosting.net > > >> Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Try grabbing the CD as it is ejected with a pair of tweezers. SOmetimes you can even angle the machine, which sometimes helps. Good luck, I think with a little patients, you can snag and extract it. On Jul 8, 2009, at 3:21 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > I think this is going to be more of a hardware issue since the drive > is actually trying but failing to eject. > Is the computer covered under apple care? > My adventureus side wants to tell you to try ejecting it when the > optical drive is facing downwards - ie: the mbp is stood sideways > vertically. You may find that even though the disk is not fully > ejected you will be able to get enough of a grasp on it to be rather > stubbon when pulling it out. > > Having said this, if the machine is still covered, its probably best > for its user to spend some qualitty time with her boyfriend untill the > machine can be scene to incase you inadvertently make the issue worse. > > On 08/07/2009, Barry Hadder wrote: >> >> Alex, >> >> Try force quit and relaunch finder. >> >> Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. >> >> >> If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ >> volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the >> drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal >> window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. >> >> Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ >> volumename >> >> And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember >> off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound >> press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. >> Then >> type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. >> >> And if that doesn't work: >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >> >>> >>> very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... sorry >>> again. >>> mike >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >>> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for pricing information for the new macbook pro's? On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. > We > put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on > it > and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it > gets > stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that > we > can catch it before it goes back in. > > As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as > how I > can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here > until > Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. > > I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. > > Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > >> Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net > >>> >>> Michael Babcock >>> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >>> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >>> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >>> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >>> url: http://gwhosting.net >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
> Hi Alex, You said: > We put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on > it > and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets > stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we > can catch it before it goes back in. > TK: Try gravity. Put the MBP standing up so that the drive opening is facing down then attempt the eject once again. Maybe even lean it slightly upside-downish so that it forces the CD to be more easily brought up/down to assist the mechanism in its release. You may even get it enough in this situation that you could grab it with your fingers. Beyond that, you're going to need physical intervention. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn & Carter the Canine Fort McMurray, AB Canada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
At the end of the day, somethings probably going to end up broken at the end of it, even if it gets serviced by a company. $200 is much cheaper than any mbp, so i'd just forget about preserving the disk - although I wouldn't ever pay them the $200. On 08/07/2009, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > We are going to figure that out if need be. I don't know if I have > much of a case for that one. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 8-Jul-09, at 8:01 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> >> So, what does the library owe you if your computer gets damaged? >> >> On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Unfortunately damaging the media is not an option. The library will >>> fine me up to $200 for this book as they must replace all disks for >>> one damaged one. :( >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 8-Jul-09, at 6:52 AM, kaare dehard wrote: >>> In addition to the below, a mechanical solution may be required. As the disk is being ejected, the label is probably getting caught up in the drive... Grab a pair of tweazers and give it a tug as the motors are trying to spit out the disk. It will probably damage the media some, but you will be able to remove the disk:). On 8-Jul-09, at 1:36 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > > Alex, > > Try force quit and relaunch finder. > > Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. > > > If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ > volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of > the > drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal > window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the > disk. > > Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ > volumename > > And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't > remember > off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start > sound > press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. > Then > type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. > > And if that doesn't work: > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > >> >> very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... >> sorry >> again. >> mike >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >> >>> >>> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for >>> pricing information for the new macbook pro's? >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we can catch it before it goes back in. As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. Regards, Alex, > >>> >>> Michael Babcock >>> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >>> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >>> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >>> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >>> url: http://gwhosting.net >>> >>> >> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >> url: http://gwhosting.net >> >> >>> > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Hi, We are going to figure that out if need be. I don't know if I have much of a case for that one. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 8:01 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > > So, what does the library owe you if your computer gets damaged? > > On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> Unfortunately damaging the media is not an option. The library will >> fine me up to $200 for this book as they must replace all disks for >> one damaged one. :( >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jul-09, at 6:52 AM, kaare dehard wrote: >> >>> >>> In addition to the below, a mechanical solution may be required. As >>> the disk is being ejected, the label is probably getting caught up >>> in >>> the drive... Grab a pair of tweazers and give it a tug as the motors >>> are trying to spit out the disk. It will probably damage the media >>> some, but you will be able to remove the disk:). >>> On 8-Jul-09, at 1:36 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: >>> Alex, Try force quit and relaunch finder. Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ volumename And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. Then type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. And if that doesn't work: On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > > very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... > sorry > again. > mike > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > >> >> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for >> pricing information for the new macbook pro's? >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until >>> today. >>> We >>> put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on >>> it >>> and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it >>> gets >>> stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out >>> that >>> we >>> can catch it before it goes back in. >>> >>> As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as >>> how I >>> can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here >>> until >>> Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. >>> >>> I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. >>> >>> Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> >> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >> url: http://gwhosting.net >> >> >>> > > Michael Babcock > GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web > Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 > email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net > administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net > url: http://gwhosting.net > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
So, what does the library owe you if your computer gets damaged? On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > Unfortunately damaging the media is not an option. The library will > fine me up to $200 for this book as they must replace all disks for > one damaged one. :( > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 8-Jul-09, at 6:52 AM, kaare dehard wrote: > >> >> In addition to the below, a mechanical solution may be required. As >> the disk is being ejected, the label is probably getting caught up in >> the drive... Grab a pair of tweazers and give it a tug as the motors >> are trying to spit out the disk. It will probably damage the media >> some, but you will be able to remove the disk:). >> On 8-Jul-09, at 1:36 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: >> >>> >>> Alex, >>> >>> Try force quit and relaunch finder. >>> >>> Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. >>> >>> >>> If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ >>> volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the >>> drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal >>> window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the >>> disk. >>> >>> Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ >>> volumename >>> >>> And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't >>> remember >>> off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound >>> press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. >>> Then >>> type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. >>> >>> And if that doesn't work: >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >>> very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... sorry again. mike On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > > um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for > pricing information for the new macbook pro's? > On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until >> today. >> We >> put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on >> it >> and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it >> gets >> stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out >> that >> we >> can catch it before it goes back in. >> >> As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as >> how I >> can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here >> until >> Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. >> >> I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. >> >> Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> >>> > > Michael Babcock > GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web > Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 > email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net > administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net > url: http://gwhosting.net > > >> Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Hi, Unfortunately damaging the media is not an option. The library will fine me up to $200 for this book as they must replace all disks for one damaged one. :( Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 6:52 AM, kaare dehard wrote: > > In addition to the below, a mechanical solution may be required. As > the disk is being ejected, the label is probably getting caught up in > the drive... Grab a pair of tweazers and give it a tug as the motors > are trying to spit out the disk. It will probably damage the media > some, but you will be able to remove the disk:). > On 8-Jul-09, at 1:36 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> >> Alex, >> >> Try force quit and relaunch finder. >> >> Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. >> >> >> If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ >> volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the >> drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal >> window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. >> >> Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ >> volumename >> >> And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember >> off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound >> press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. >> Then >> type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. >> >> And if that doesn't work: >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >> >>> >>> very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... sorry >>> again. >>> mike >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >>> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for pricing information for the new macbook pro's? On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. > We > put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on > it > and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it > gets > stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that > we > can catch it before it goes back in. > > As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as > how I > can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here > until > Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. > > I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. > > Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > >> Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net > >>> >>> Michael Babcock >>> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >>> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >>> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >>> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >>> url: http://gwhosting.net >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
In addition to the below, a mechanical solution may be required. As the disk is being ejected, the label is probably getting caught up in the drive... Grab a pair of tweazers and give it a tug as the motors are trying to spit out the disk. It will probably damage the media some, but you will be able to remove the disk:). On 8-Jul-09, at 1:36 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > > Alex, > > Try force quit and relaunch finder. > > Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. > > > If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ > volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the > drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal > window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. > > Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ > volumename > > And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember > off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound > press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. Then > type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. > > And if that doesn't work: > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > >> >> very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... sorry >> again. >> mike >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >> >>> >>> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for >>> pricing information for the new macbook pro's? >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we can catch it before it goes back in. As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. Regards, Alex, > >>> >>> Michael Babcock >>> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >>> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >>> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >>> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >>> url: http://gwhosting.net >>> >>> >> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >> url: http://gwhosting.net >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
HI, Lol. Quality time. I like that. Unfortunately this is her main work machine :( . Neither can she perceed with Leo training with a stuck disk. However, If possible, I will book a quicker appointment. The machine is not covered by AC but is rather covered by an external company. This disition was made because the machine is outside of Apple Care time. Having said that, the folks at Starnix-BC where it is registered are wonderful. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 12:21 AM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > I think this is going to be more of a hardware issue since the drive > is actually trying but failing to eject. > Is the computer covered under apple care? > My adventureus side wants to tell you to try ejecting it when the > optical drive is facing downwards - ie: the mbp is stood sideways > vertically. You may find that even though the disk is not fully > ejected you will be able to get enough of a grasp on it to be rather > stubbon when pulling it out. > > Having said this, if the machine is still covered, its probably best > for its user to spend some qualitty time with her boyfriend untill the > machine can be scene to incase you inadvertently make the issue worse. > > On 08/07/2009, Barry Hadder wrote: >> >> Alex, >> >> Try force quit and relaunch finder. >> >> Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. >> >> >> If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ >> volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the >> drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal >> window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. >> >> Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/ >> volumename >> >> And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember >> off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound >> press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. >> Then >> type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. >> >> And if that doesn't work: >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >> >>> >>> very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... sorry >>> again. >>> mike >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >>> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for pricing information for the new macbook pro's? On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. > We > put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on > it > and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it > gets > stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that > we > can catch it before it goes back in. > > As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as > how I > can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here > until > Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. > > I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. > > Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > >> Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net > >>> >>> Michael Babcock >>> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >>> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >>> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >>> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >>> url: http://gwhosting.net >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> > > > -- > Kind regards, BEN. > > email: bmustillr...@gmail.com > msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com > web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
I think this is going to be more of a hardware issue since the drive is actually trying but failing to eject. Is the computer covered under apple care? My adventureus side wants to tell you to try ejecting it when the optical drive is facing downwards - ie: the mbp is stood sideways vertically. You may find that even though the disk is not fully ejected you will be able to get enough of a grasp on it to be rather stubbon when pulling it out. Having said this, if the machine is still covered, its probably best for its user to spend some qualitty time with her boyfriend untill the machine can be scene to incase you inadvertently make the issue worse. On 08/07/2009, Barry Hadder wrote: > > Alex, > > Try force quit and relaunch finder. > > Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. > > > If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ > volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the > drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal > window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. > > Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/volumename > > And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember > off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound > press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. Then > type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. > > And if that doesn't work: > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > >> >> very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... sorry >> again. >> mike >> >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: >> >>> >>> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for >>> pricing information for the new macbook pro's? >>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we can catch it before it goes back in. As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. Regards, Alex, > >>> >>> Michael Babcock >>> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >>> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >>> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >>> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >>> url: http://gwhosting.net >>> >>> >> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >> url: http://gwhosting.net >> >> >> > > > > > > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
Alex, Try force quit and relaunch finder. Or, try ejecting the cd as the computer is booting. If that doesn't work, open terminal and type lsof -n|grep /Volumes/ volumename. After the grep you could also just copy the ikon of the drive in question from the desktop and paste it into the terminal window. This will tell you what if any programms are using the disk. Or try this: in terminal type hdiutil eject -force /Volumes/volumename And if that doesn't work: reboot into command mode. I can't remember off hand how to do that but I think emediately after the start sound press command-option-o-f but I would look that up if I were you. Then type eject cd ret reboot-mac ret. And if that doesn't work: On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:52 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > > very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... sorry > again. > mike > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > >> >> um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for >> pricing information for the new macbook pro's? >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. >>> We >>> put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it >>> and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets >>> stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that >>> we >>> can catch it before it goes back in. >>> >>> As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I >>> can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here >>> until >>> Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. >>> >>> I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. >>> >>> Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> >> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 >> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >> url: http://gwhosting.net >> >> >>> > > Michael Babcock > GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web > Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 > email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net > administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net > url: http://gwhosting.net > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
very sorry, i thought the subject was "macbook pro prices"... sorry again. mike On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > > um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for > pricing information for the new macbook pro's? > On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We >> put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it >> and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets >> stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we >> can catch it before it goes back in. >> >> As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I >> can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until >> Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. >> >> I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. >> >> Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> >>> > > Michael Babcock > GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web > Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 > email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net > administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net > url: http://gwhosting.net > > > > Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for pricing information for the new macbook pro's? On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We > put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it > and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets > stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we > can catch it before it goes back in. > > As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I > can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until > Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. > > I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. > > Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > > > Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook Pro Crisis
um, right, what are you asking? Just curious are you looking for pricing information for the new macbook pro's? On Jul 7, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We > put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it > and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets > stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we > can catch it before it goes back in. > > As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I > can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until > Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. > > I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. > > Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > > > Michael Babcock GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121 email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Macbook Pro Crisis
Hi, My Girlfriend's Macbook Pro was chugging along nicely until today. We put in a Library disk with one of those raised Barcode labels on it and now the disk won't come out. The MBP tries to eject it, it gets stuck, and goes back in. Note: It doesn't come far enough out that we can catch it before it goes back in. As her boyfriend, I have my hands tied at the moment seeing as how I can't get a tech support agent from our support centre out here until Saturday, and this is a critical problem as her Mac won't boot. I should add, we are both legally blind VO users. Thanks in advace and I appreciate any help. Regards, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
