Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
I'm not concerned about the slipperiness of the glass, as I can grip the thing just fine. I just can't type worth a damn on it. Chris Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com Phone: 803-760-7136 Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays. - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:29 PM Subject: Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S Chris, I have the same problems. I don't think this App is for me either, and the glass is too slippery so I'm afraid I'm not for this App. Kawal. On 31 Jan 2013, at 21:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to put each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone with you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my phone as well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! undesired results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip dots 1 and 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and not very forgiving. I don't really have very big hands either. So my two palms facing each other, my two thumbs basically resting on the back of the ;hone oppisit side from the screen, home button on my right as I have portrait mode locked. now, I tapped once to activate the keyboard. now, I find my hands are sideways. rather than dots 1 2 and 3 going like a perkins, where 1 is on the right 2 to the left of that, and 3 to the right of that, it looks more like the braille literal letter l. so 1 on bottom, 2 in the middle, and 3 on top. Same on the right side of the screen with 4 5 and 6, and visually the blue braille dots even are aligned virtically, across each side of the screen. That's really dumb in my book. Going totally in landscape mode, when holding the phone as I said a second ago, even without the extra row of real estate I get with my 5, even on my old IPhone 4S, I still have enough room to type a full braille cell with all my fingers going left to right, from left to right going, 3 2 1, 4 5 6. So, why the hell make each half of the cell align itself virtically? That just seems a bit well... I was gonna say idiotic, but I think I'll be nice instead and just say... awkward. Second of all, the docs say you don't have to line right up with those braille dots on the screen as it's very forgiving. Not for me? it's not. I tried typing the letter h, 1 2, and 5. sometimes it thinks I want an r, which is 1 2 3 5. some times it thinks I want an exclaimation mark which is 2 3 5. one time it thought I wanted a question mark, which is 2 3 6. So, yeah, ok, am I missing something, or is this app really just that stupidly inaccurate. Surely damn well hope the former as this is ridiculous! I can't figure out what on earth I may be doing wrong. I'm following the docs to an absolute T! Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
Chris, I have the same problems. I don't think this App is for me either, and the glass is too slippery so I'm afraid I'm not for this App. Kawal. On 31 Jan 2013, at 21:28, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, > there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to put > each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone with > you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my phone as > well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! undesired > results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip dots 1 and > 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and not very > forgiving. I don't really have very big hands either. So my two palms > facing each other, my two thumbs basically resting on the back of the ;hone > oppisit side from the screen, home button on my right as I have portrait mode > locked. now, I tapped once to activate the keyboard. now, I find my hands > are sideways. rather than dots 1 2 and 3 going like a perkins, where 1 is on > the right 2 to the left of that, and 3 to the right of that, it looks more > like the braille literal letter l. so 1 on bottom, 2 in the middle, and 3 on > top. Same on the right side of the screen with 4 5 and 6, and visually the > blue braille dots even are aligned virtically, across each side of the > screen. That's really dumb in my book. Going totally in landscape mode, > when holding the phone as I said a second ago, even without the extra row of > real estate I get with my 5, even on my old IPhone 4S, I still have enough > room to type a full braille cell with all my fingers going left to right, > from left to right going, 3 2 1, 4 5 6. So, why the hell make each half of > the cell align itself virtically? That just seems a bit well... I was gonna > say idiotic, but I think I'll be nice instead and just say... awkward. > Second of all, the docs say you don't have to line right up with those > braille dots on the screen as it's very forgiving. Not for me? it's not. I > tried typing the letter h, 1 2, and 5. sometimes it thinks I want an r, > which is 1 2 3 5. some times it thinks I want an exclaimation mark which is > 2 3 5. one time it thought I wanted a question mark, which is 2 3 6. So, > yeah, ok, am I missing something, or is this app really just that stupidly > inaccurate. Surely damn well hope the former as this is ridiculous! I can't > figure out what on earth I may be doing wrong. I'm following the docs to an > absolute T! > > Chris. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
I agree, and probably not very hard to do either. According to the f a Q, it's their top priority in a future release. Chris Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com Phone: 803-760-7136 Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays. - Original Message - From: Ray Foret Jr To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:57 PM Subject: Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S Grade II would be awsome!!! Sent from my mac Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote: Hi Chris and Alex, I was having endless amounts of trouble with the Braille Touch app, until you, Chris, described how you were holding it. Your hands don't go side-by-side, as they would on a Perkins-style keyboard. They face each other. Which is better than typing in rows, as in TypeinBraille, but not what we as Perkins-style braille users are used to. In any event, thank you, in spite of your frustration, for helping me finally understand how to type with it. And perhaps, Grade II input will be coming soon. Rachel On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Alex Hall wrote: Sorry you are having a hard time with it, but I find it quite accurate and easy to use. However, I really don't like the way they say to hold the phone; instead, I do this: press the back of the phone to your body, pinching the sides between your thumbs and pinkies. Then gently pull back with your arms to hold it in place, and your primary six fingers are left free to type quite easily. You'll probably look kind of stupid in that position, but I figure if it works, it works, and I can't find a more secure way to type with this app when a flat surface is not available. Also, I find the app is indeed forgiving as to finger placement. I tend to have my index finger furthest back, my middle finger furthest forward, and my ring finger somewhere in the middle, yet I am able to get very consistent results now that I've practiced some and discovered the hand position I described above. I hope you can get this working, as it is a great app once you get used to how to use it. On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" wrote: OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to put each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone with you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my phone as well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! undesired results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip dots 1 and 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and not very forgiving. I don't really have very big hands either. So my two palms facing each other, my two thumbs basically resting on the back of the ;hone oppisit side from the screen, home button on my right as I have portrait mode locked. now, I tapped once to activate the keyboard. now, I find my hands are sideways. rather than dots 1 2 and 3 going like a perkins, where 1 is on the right 2 to the left of that, and 3 to the right of that, it looks more like the braille literal letter l. so 1 on bottom, 2 in the middle, and 3 on top. Same on the right side of the screen with 4 5 and 6, and visually the blue braille dots even are aligned virtically, across each side of the screen. That's really dumb in my book. Going totally in landscape mode, when holding the phone as I said a second ago, even without the extra row of real estate I get with my 5, even on my old IPhone 4S, I still have enough room to type a full braille cell with all my fingers going left to right, from left to right going, 3 2 1, 4 5 6. So, why the hell make each half of the cell align itself virtically? That just seems a bit well... I was gonna say idiotic, but I think I'll be nice instead and just say... awkward. Second of all, the docs say you don't have to line right up with those braille dots on the screen as it's very forgiving. Not for me? it's not. I tried typing the letter h, 1 2, and 5. sometimes it thinks I want an r, which is 1 2 3 5. some times it thinks I want an exclaimation mark which is 2 3 5. one time it thought I wanted a question mark, which is 2 3 6. So, yeah, ok, am I missing something, or is this app really just that stupidly inaccurate. Surely damn well hope the former as this is ridiculous! I can't figure out what on earth I may be doing wrong. I'm following the docs to an absolute T! Chris. -- You received this message because you are
Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
I think it's just gonna take some practice. Keep in mind it's a very new app, and I think it'll definitely improve as things progress. Chris Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com Phone: 803-760-7136 Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays. - Original Message - From: "Rachel Feinberg" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S Hi Chris and Alex, I was having endless amounts of trouble with the Braille Touch app, until you, Chris, described how you were holding it. Your hands don't go side-by-side, as they would on a Perkins-style keyboard. They face each other. Which is better than typing in rows, as in TypeinBraille, but not what we as Perkins-style braille users are used to. In any event, thank you, in spite of your frustration, for helping me finally understand how to type with it. And perhaps, Grade II input will be coming soon. Rachel On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Alex Hall wrote: Sorry you are having a hard time with it, but I find it quite accurate and easy to use. However, I really don't like the way they say to hold the phone; instead, I do this: press the back of the phone to your body, pinching the sides between your thumbs and pinkies. Then gently pull back with your arms to hold it in place, and your primary six fingers are left free to type quite easily. You'll probably look kind of stupid in that position, but I figure if it works, it works, and I can't find a more secure way to type with this app when a flat surface is not available. Also, I find the app is indeed forgiving as to finger placement. I tend to have my index finger furthest back, my middle finger furthest forward, and my ring finger somewhere in the middle, yet I am able to get very consistent results now that I've practiced some and discovered the hand position I described above. I hope you can get this working, as it is a great app once you get used to how to use it. On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" wrote: OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to put each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone with you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my phone as well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! undesired results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip dots 1 and 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and not very forgiving. I don't really have very big hands either. So my two palms facing each other, my two thumbs basically resting on the back of the ;hone oppisit side from the screen, home button on my right as I have portrait mode locked. now, I tapped once to activate the keyboard. now, I find my hands are sideways. rather than dots 1 2 and 3 going like a perkins, where 1 is on the right 2 to the left of that, and 3 to the right of that, it looks more like the braille literal letter l. so 1 on bottom, 2 in the middle, and 3 on top. Same on the right side of the screen with 4 5 and 6, and visually the blue braille dots even are aligned virtically, across each side of the screen. That's really dumb in my book. Going totally in landscape mode, when holding the phone as I said a second ago, even without the extra row of real estate I get with my 5, even on my old IPhone 4S, I still have enough room to type a full braille cell with all my fingers going left to right, from left to right going, 3 2 1, 4 5 6. So, why the hell make each half of the cell align itself virtically? That just seems a bit well... I was gonna say idiotic, but I think I'll be nice instead and just say... awkward. Second of all, the docs say you don't have to line right up with those braille dots on the screen as it's very forgiving. Not for me? it's not. I tried typing the letter h, 1 2, and 5. sometimes it thinks I want an r, which is 1 2 3 5. some times it thinks I want an exclaimation mark which is 2 3 5. one time it thought I wanted a question mark, which is 2 3 6. So, yeah, ok, am I missing something, or is this app really just that stupidly inaccurate. Surely damn well hope the former as this is ridiculous! I can't figure out what on earth I may be doing wrong. I'm following the docs to an absolute T! Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this g
Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
You know what? that was exactly! my issue. I thought I literally! had to have the volume buttons facing toward me, not up toward the ceiling. I was holding the phone flat, not standing on it's right hand side. Once I did that with the phone literally sanding in my palms it seemd to work way better. I was like, dang it all! There has got! to be a reason this isn't working! Let me try to better explain this for those of you who still don't get it. If you're a guitarest, this'll make a lot of sense. Think of how you fret a guitar. You hold it with your thumb near the top of the kneck, obviously, don't thumbhook, but you know what I mean, and your opened palm faced up toward the ceiling. this let's your first second third and... well, in the case of a guitar, fourth fingers be pads faced up, where you can reach around from the bottom of the kneck with your high e string on the bottom and your low e on the top. OK, what does this have to do with the app. Well, easy. You kind a want to hold the phone that same way. you want your palms facing each other, yes, but you also want your opened palm facing up toward the ceiling. So basically another way of thinking of this is the right side of your phone/IPod... I mean, the other side that doesn't have the volume buttons and mute switch... ok, stand the phone up on a table or desk. Have it with that part running long ways going left/right, so your home key would be under your right index finger, and your IPhone earpiece speaker would basically nearly be under your left fingers. OK, now with the phone held that way, gently set it down and let it stand 90 degrees like that on it's right side. Don't let go of it, or it'll fall over, but keep it upright like that. Bottom line is, you literally do want the screen facing away from you. You literally want it where the backside of your phone where the camera is basically toward your chest. I love! Alexes analogy about pressing it to your chest. That's an excellent way of thinking of it. So home key on your right, speaker on your left... well, I should say IPhone ear speaker, pardon me. Mute switch on the top far left, volume up to the right a that, and then volume down on the far top right. If you have an IPhone 5, just to further help, your sleep button will then be on the bottom left side, and your earphone jack will be top right side with the lightning port just below, working your way down toward the floor. Then take your fingers your thumbs on the bottom of the phone and your index, middle, and ring fingers ready to drop on the screen as needed. Obviously doing it this way, your fingers will be going virtically, but trust me, it'll feel natural. It did for me at least once I held the dumb bunny correctly. Now try with it held like that. I think you'll have better luck as I did. Chris Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions http://www.clgproductions.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com Phone: 803-760-7136 Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185 Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays. - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:44 PM Subject: Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S Sorry you are having a hard time with it, but I find it quite accurate and easy to use. However, I really don't like the way they say to hold the phone; instead, I do this: press the back of the phone to your body, pinching the sides between your thumbs and pinkies. Then gently pull back with your arms to hold it in place, and your primary six fingers are left free to type quite easily. You'll probably look kind of stupid in that position, but I figure if it works, it works, and I can't find a more secure way to type with this app when a flat surface is not available. Also, I find the app is indeed forgiving as to finger placement. I tend to have my index finger furthest back, my middle finger furthest forward, and my ring finger somewhere in the middle, yet I am able to get very consistent results now that I've practiced some and discovered the hand position I described above. I hope you can get this working, as it is a great app once you get used to how to use it. On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" wrote: OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to put each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone with you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my phone as well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! undesired results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip dots 1 and 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and not very forgiving. I don&
Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
Grade II would be awsome!!! Sent from my mac Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote: > Hi Chris and Alex, > > I was having endless amounts of trouble with the Braille Touch app, until > you, Chris, described how you were holding it. Your hands don't go > side-by-side, as they would on a Perkins-style keyboard. They face each > other. Which is better than typing in rows, as in TypeinBraille, but not what > we as Perkins-style braille users are used to. > In any event, thank you, in spite of your frustration, for helping me finally > understand how to type with it. And perhaps, Grade II input will be coming > soon. > Rachel > On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > >> Sorry you are having a hard time with it, but I find it quite accurate and >> easy to use. However, I really don't like the way they say to hold the >> phone; instead, I do this: >> press the back of the phone to your body, pinching the sides between your >> thumbs and pinkies. Then gently pull back with your arms to hold it in >> place, and your primary six fingers are left free to type quite easily. >> You'll probably look kind of stupid in that position, but I figure if it >> works, it works, and I can't find a more secure way to type with this app >> when a flat surface is not available. >> >> Also, I find the app is indeed forgiving as to finger placement. I tend to >> have my index finger furthest back, my middle finger furthest forward, and >> my ring finger somewhere in the middle, yet I am able to get very consistent >> results now that I've practiced some and discovered the hand position I >> described above. I hope you can get this working, as it is a great app once >> you get used to how to use it. >> On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" >> wrote: >> >>> OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, >>> there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to >>> put each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone >>> with you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my >>> phone as well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! >>> undesired results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip >>> dots 1 and 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and >>> not very forgiving. I don't really have very big hands either. So my two >>> palms facing each other, my two thumbs basically resting on the back of the >>> ;hone oppisit side from the screen, home button on my right as I have >>> portrait mode locked. now, I tapped once to activate the keyboard. now, I >>> find my hands are sideways. rather than dots 1 2 and 3 going like a >>> perkins, where 1 is on the right 2 to the left of that, and 3 to the right >>> of that, it looks more like the braille literal letter l. so 1 on bottom, >>> 2 in the middle, and 3 on top. Same on the right side of the screen with 4 >>> 5 and 6, and visually the blue braille dots even are aligned virtically, >>> across each side of the screen. That's really dumb in my book. Going >>> totally in landscape mode, when holding the phone as I said a second ago, >>> even without the extra row of real estate I get with my 5, even on my old >>> IPhone 4S, I still have enough room to type a full braille cell with all my >>> fingers going left to right, from left to right going, 3 2 1, 4 5 6. So, >>> why the hell make each half of the cell align itself virtically? That just >>> seems a bit well... I was gonna say idiotic, but I think I'll be nice >>> instead and just say... awkward. Second of all, the docs say you don't >>> have to line right up with those braille dots on the screen as it's very >>> forgiving. Not for me? it's not. I tried typing the letter h, 1 2, and 5. >>> sometimes it thinks I want an r, which is 1 2 3 5. some times it thinks I >>> want an exclaimation mark which is 2 3 5. one time it thought I wanted a >>> question mark, which is 2 3 6. So, yeah, ok, am I missing something, or is >>> this app really just that stupidly inaccurate. Surely damn well hope the >>> former as this is ridiculous! I can't figure out what on earth I may be >>> doing wrong. I'm following the docs to an absolute T! >>> >>> Chris. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> mehg...@gm
Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
I find that if you hold the phone against your chest with the screen facing away from you and the home button to the right, you will get the results you wish. Remember, with the left hand, dots one to and three go down. That is, dot one is with the left index finger, dot two is with the middle finger and dot three is with the left ring finger. Now, for the right hand. Dot four is with the right index finger, dot five is with the right middlw finger and dot six is with the right ring finger. Bear this in mind, and you cannot fail to get accurate results in mere minutes. To type return, swipe two fingers right. To type a space, swipe one finger right. Swipe one finger left to delete individual characters. To exit the keyboard and access the app menu, swipe two fingers left. That's not all: but, it should work to give you a decent start. Sent from my mac Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user! On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > Sorry you are having a hard time with it, but I find it quite accurate and > easy to use. However, I really don't like the way they say to hold the phone; > instead, I do this: > press the back of the phone to your body, pinching the sides between your > thumbs and pinkies. Then gently pull back with your arms to hold it in place, > and your primary six fingers are left free to type quite easily. You'll > probably look kind of stupid in that position, but I figure if it works, it > works, and I can't find a more secure way to type with this app when a flat > surface is not available. > > Also, I find the app is indeed forgiving as to finger placement. I tend to > have my index finger furthest back, my middle finger furthest forward, and my > ring finger somewhere in the middle, yet I am able to get very consistent > results now that I've practiced some and discovered the hand position I > described above. I hope you can get this working, as it is a great app once > you get used to how to use it. > On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" > wrote: > >> OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, >> there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to put >> each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone with >> you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my phone as >> well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! undesired >> results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip dots 1 and >> 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and not very >> forgiving. I don't really have very big hands either. So my two palms >> facing each other, my two thumbs basically resting on the back of the ;hone >> oppisit side from the screen, home button on my right as I have portrait >> mode locked. now, I tapped once to activate the keyboard. now, I find my >> hands are sideways. rather than dots 1 2 and 3 going like a perkins, where >> 1 is on the right 2 to the left of that, and 3 to the right of that, it >> looks more like the braille literal letter l. so 1 on bottom, 2 in the >> middle, and 3 on top. Same on the right side of the screen with 4 5 and 6, >> and visually the blue braille dots even are aligned virtically, across each >> side of the screen. That's really dumb in my book. Going totally in >> landscape mode, when holding the phone as I said a second ago, even without >> the extra row of real estate I get with my 5, even on my old IPhone 4S, I >> still have enough room to type a full braille cell with all my fingers going >> left to right, from left to right going, 3 2 1, 4 5 6. So, why the hell >> make each half of the cell align itself virtically? That just seems a bit >> well... I was gonna say idiotic, but I think I'll be nice instead and just >> say... awkward. Second of all, the docs say you don't have to line right up >> with those braille dots on the screen as it's very forgiving. Not for me? >> it's not. I tried typing the letter h, 1 2, and 5. sometimes it thinks I >> want an r, which is 1 2 3 5. some times it thinks I want an exclaimation >> mark which is 2 3 5. one time it thought I wanted a question mark, which is >> 2 3 6. So, yeah, ok, am I missing something, or is this app really just >> that stupidly inaccurate. Surely damn well hope the former as this is >> ridiculous! I can't figure out what on earth I may be doing wrong. I'm >> following the docs to an absolute T! >> >> Chris. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionari
Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
Hi Chris and Alex, I was having endless amounts of trouble with the Braille Touch app, until you, Chris, described how you were holding it. Your hands don't go side-by-side, as they would on a Perkins-style keyboard. They face each other. Which is better than typing in rows, as in TypeinBraille, but not what we as Perkins-style braille users are used to. In any event, thank you, in spite of your frustration, for helping me finally understand how to type with it. And perhaps, Grade II input will be coming soon. Rachel On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > Sorry you are having a hard time with it, but I find it quite accurate and > easy to use. However, I really don't like the way they say to hold the phone; > instead, I do this: > press the back of the phone to your body, pinching the sides between your > thumbs and pinkies. Then gently pull back with your arms to hold it in place, > and your primary six fingers are left free to type quite easily. You'll > probably look kind of stupid in that position, but I figure if it works, it > works, and I can't find a more secure way to type with this app when a flat > surface is not available. > > Also, I find the app is indeed forgiving as to finger placement. I tend to > have my index finger furthest back, my middle finger furthest forward, and my > ring finger somewhere in the middle, yet I am able to get very consistent > results now that I've practiced some and discovered the hand position I > described above. I hope you can get this working, as it is a great app once > you get used to how to use it. > On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" > wrote: > >> OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, >> there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to put >> each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone with >> you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my phone as >> well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! undesired >> results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip dots 1 and >> 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and not very >> forgiving. I don't really have very big hands either. So my two palms >> facing each other, my two thumbs basically resting on the back of the ;hone >> oppisit side from the screen, home button on my right as I have portrait >> mode locked. now, I tapped once to activate the keyboard. now, I find my >> hands are sideways. rather than dots 1 2 and 3 going like a perkins, where >> 1 is on the right 2 to the left of that, and 3 to the right of that, it >> looks more like the braille literal letter l. so 1 on bottom, 2 in the >> middle, and 3 on top. Same on the right side of the screen with 4 5 and 6, >> and visually the blue braille dots even are aligned virtically, across each >> side of the screen. That's really dumb in my book. Going totally in >> landscape mode, when holding the phone as I said a second ago, even without >> the extra row of real estate I get with my 5, even on my old IPhone 4S, I >> still have enough room to type a full braille cell with all my fingers going >> left to right, from left to right going, 3 2 1, 4 5 6. So, why the hell >> make each half of the cell align itself virtically? That just seems a bit >> well... I was gonna say idiotic, but I think I'll be nice instead and just >> say... awkward. Second of all, the docs say you don't have to line right up >> with those braille dots on the screen as it's very forgiving. Not for me? >> it's not. I tried typing the letter h, 1 2, and 5. sometimes it thinks I >> want an r, which is 1 2 3 5. some times it thinks I want an exclaimation >> mark which is 2 3 5. one time it thought I wanted a question mark, which is >> 2 3 6. So, yeah, ok, am I missing something, or is this app really just >> that stupidly inaccurate. Surely damn well hope the former as this is >> ridiculous! I can't figure out what on earth I may be doing wrong. I'm >> following the docs to an absolute T! >> >> Chris. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> > > > > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) > mehg...@gmail.com > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send
Re: My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
Sorry you are having a hard time with it, but I find it quite accurate and easy to use. However, I really don't like the way they say to hold the phone; instead, I do this: press the back of the phone to your body, pinching the sides between your thumbs and pinkies. Then gently pull back with your arms to hold it in place, and your primary six fingers are left free to type quite easily. You'll probably look kind of stupid in that position, but I figure if it works, it works, and I can't find a more secure way to type with this app when a flat surface is not available. Also, I find the app is indeed forgiving as to finger placement. I tend to have my index finger furthest back, my middle finger furthest forward, and my ring finger somewhere in the middle, yet I am able to get very consistent results now that I've practiced some and discovered the hand position I described above. I hope you can get this working, as it is a great app once you get used to how to use it. On Jan 31, 2013, at 4:28 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" wrote: > OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, > there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to put > each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone with > you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my phone as > well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! undesired > results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip dots 1 and > 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and not very > forgiving. I don't really have very big hands either. So my two palms > facing each other, my two thumbs basically resting on the back of the ;hone > oppisit side from the screen, home button on my right as I have portrait mode > locked. now, I tapped once to activate the keyboard. now, I find my hands > are sideways. rather than dots 1 2 and 3 going like a perkins, where 1 is on > the right 2 to the left of that, and 3 to the right of that, it looks more > like the braille literal letter l. so 1 on bottom, 2 in the middle, and 3 on > top. Same on the right side of the screen with 4 5 and 6, and visually the > blue braille dots even are aligned virtically, across each side of the > screen. That's really dumb in my book. Going totally in landscape mode, > when holding the phone as I said a second ago, even without the extra row of > real estate I get with my 5, even on my old IPhone 4S, I still have enough > room to type a full braille cell with all my fingers going left to right, > from left to right going, 3 2 1, 4 5 6. So, why the hell make each half of > the cell align itself virtically? That just seems a bit well... I was gonna > say idiotic, but I think I'll be nice instead and just say... awkward. > Second of all, the docs say you don't have to line right up with those > braille dots on the screen as it's very forgiving. Not for me? it's not. I > tried typing the letter h, 1 2, and 5. sometimes it thinks I want an r, > which is 1 2 3 5. some times it thinks I want an exclaimation mark which is > 2 3 5. one time it thought I wanted a question mark, which is 2 3 6. So, > yeah, ok, am I missing something, or is this app really just that stupidly > inaccurate. Surely damn well hope the former as this is ridiculous! I can't > figure out what on earth I may be doing wrong. I'm following the docs to an > absolute T! > > Chris. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
My first impressions on BrailleTouch for I O S
OK, um... this is just my thought, ok, take it or leave it. First of all, there is plenty of screen real estate on even an IPhone 4 to not have to put each section of the braille dots virtically. They say hold the phone with you palms facing each other. I did this. I had a good grip of my phone as well. When I placed my fingers on the screen, I'm getting very! undesired results. This isn't a matter of go to advanced settings and flip dots 1 and 3, 4 and 6. This is more a matter it just isn't accurate and not very forgiving. I don't really have very big hands either. So my two palms facing each other, my two thumbs basically resting on the back of the ;hone oppisit side from the screen, home button on my right as I have portrait mode locked. now, I tapped once to activate the keyboard. now, I find my hands are sideways. rather than dots 1 2 and 3 going like a perkins, where 1 is on the right 2 to the left of that, and 3 to the right of that, it looks more like the braille literal letter l. so 1 on bottom, 2 in the middle, and 3 on top. Same on the right side of the screen with 4 5 and 6, and visually the blue braille dots even are aligned virtically, across each side of the screen. That's really dumb in my book. Going totally in landscape mode, when holding the phone as I said a second ago, even without the extra row of real estate I get with my 5, even on my old IPhone 4S, I still have enough room to type a full braille cell with all my fingers going left to right, from left to right going, 3 2 1, 4 5 6. So, why the hell make each half of the cell align itself virtically? That just seems a bit well... I was gonna say idiotic, but I think I'll be nice instead and just say... awkward. Second of all, the docs say you don't have to line right up with those braille dots on the screen as it's very forgiving. Not for me? it's not. I tried typing the letter h, 1 2, and 5. sometimes it thinks I want an r, which is 1 2 3 5. some times it thinks I want an exclaimation mark which is 2 3 5. one time it thought I wanted a question mark, which is 2 3 6. So, yeah, ok, am I missing something, or is this app really just that stupidly inaccurate. Surely damn well hope the former as this is ridiculous! I can't figure out what on earth I may be doing wrong. I'm following the docs to an absolute T! Chris. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
