Re: Navigating the iPhone and joining the Viphone list [was Re: Questions on how to navigate on the Iphone]
Hi esther. Thanks so much for taking your time to answer my questions since they are off topic for this list. Your answers are very helpful. I've now joined the Viphone list again so I won't ask any Iphone questions here anmore. I'm really sorry for this... Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Esther wrote: > > Hi Søren, > > You wrote: > >> >> I'm on the Viphone list I think it's called. I haven't unsubscribed >> myself, but I might have ben unsubscribed for some reason. >> What's the address to the list and how do I subscribe to it again? > > At one point I think you could simply send a message to subscribe, but > this got changed and you now have to go to the Viphone web page and > request an invitation according to an earlier post from Cara: > > > > Actually anyone whom would like to sub to the list will need to > request an invite from the list's main page at: > > http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone > > This is done so that potential new members can be screened to avoid > spam issues. > > > > You can also go to the web page and read the posts without joining. > Unfortunately, the viphone list isn't set up to be archived at the > Mail Archive site, which provides an easier reading and searching > interface. > > I'll try to answer your questions. (Responses follow excerpted > queries). I have an iPod Touch, but the gestures used are the same as > for the iPhone. 1: What is the difference between the drack gesture and the flicking gesture? I know how the flicking gesture works. I've tried it in the gestures practise on a Iphone last week. I'm asking because I don't wanna drack icons around on the screen by accident. So how would I know when I'm just using the flicking gesture and when I'm dracking an icon? > Flicking is a very quick gesture where your finger is only in brief > contact with the screen. It's actually difficult to drag icons around > the screen by accident because you first need to execute a pass- > through gesture (double-tap and hold) before you can drag the icon and > also because VoiceOver will announce "moving icon" -- where the name > of the actual icon gets announced, like "moving Mail" or "moving > Maps". If you actually do move the icon VoiceOver will tell you the > row and column you're in, and until you lift your finger from the > screen the position doesn't get changed. If you get confused, or want > to stop, just move your finger to drag the icon back to where you > started, lift your finger from the screen, and click the home key to > get out of the mode in which icons can be moved. (This will also take > you back to the home screen in case you were moving icons on another > page of applications.) > > The OS 3.1 update added a gesture practice area under Settings > > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver where if you double tap the > "Practice VoiceOver Gestures" button you'll be taken to a screen where > VoiceOver announces the gestures you've used and their function -- > kind of like a gesture-based keyboard practice mode. If you flick, you > might hear "flick right, move to next item"; or if you issue the pass- > through gesture, you'd hear "double-tap and hold, drags the item". > (The only thing is, you won't hear the small burbly noise that is > played when you correctly perform a pass-through gesture of double-tap > and hold.) > 2: How do I navigate in a listbox? For example if I wanna go through a list of mails in the mail application, how do I go through this list? Do I have to find the top of the list with my finger, then lift my finger from the screen, move it down a bit and then touch again to select the next mail in the list? Or can I just flick to the right? I assume all items like my mailboxes, buttons etc will be read if I flick to the right, so that's the reason for I'm asking on how to navigate in listboxes. > > When reading mail in your Inbox you can use buttons for previous mail > and next mail to go through your messages. (What's a bit odd is that > the latest message is at the top of the list, so if you start further > down the list at your first unread message you end up tapping the > "previous message" button to move through mail, and I haven't found a > way to change sort order.) If you start from a listbox you can > navigate either by selecting individual items by touch or by using > gestures to move through items or pages. For example, you can do a > two-finger upward flick to "read all" on the page, and you will hear > not only the buttons at the top of the page, but also the list of mail > with sender, time, and subject. This will read through the list > including scrolling, and you can stop with a two-finger tap. You > could also touch the center of the screen (probably close to where you > stopped the list reading) a
Navigating the iPhone and joining the Viphone list [was Re: Questions on how to navigate on the Iphone]
Hi Søren, You wrote: > > I'm on the Viphone list I think it's called. I haven't unsubscribed > myself, but I might have ben unsubscribed for some reason. > What's the address to the list and how do I subscribe to it again? At one point I think you could simply send a message to subscribe, but this got changed and you now have to go to the Viphone web page and request an invitation according to an earlier post from Cara: Actually anyone whom would like to sub to the list will need to request an invite from the list's main page at: http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone This is done so that potential new members can be screened to avoid spam issues. You can also go to the web page and read the posts without joining. Unfortunately, the viphone list isn't set up to be archived at the Mail Archive site, which provides an easier reading and searching interface. I'll try to answer your questions. (Responses follow excerpted queries). I have an iPod Touch, but the gestures used are the same as for the iPhone. >>> >>> 1: What is the difference between the drack gesture and the flicking >>> gesture? I know how the flicking gesture works. I've tried it in the >>> gestures practise on a Iphone last week. I'm asking because I don't >>> wanna drack icons around on the screen by accident. So how would I >>> know when I'm just using the flicking gesture and when I'm dracking >>> an >>> icon? Flicking is a very quick gesture where your finger is only in brief contact with the screen. It's actually difficult to drag icons around the screen by accident because you first need to execute a pass- through gesture (double-tap and hold) before you can drag the icon and also because VoiceOver will announce "moving icon" -- where the name of the actual icon gets announced, like "moving Mail" or "moving Maps". If you actually do move the icon VoiceOver will tell you the row and column you're in, and until you lift your finger from the screen the position doesn't get changed. If you get confused, or want to stop, just move your finger to drag the icon back to where you started, lift your finger from the screen, and click the home key to get out of the mode in which icons can be moved. (This will also take you back to the home screen in case you were moving icons on another page of applications.) The OS 3.1 update added a gesture practice area under Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver where if you double tap the "Practice VoiceOver Gestures" button you'll be taken to a screen where VoiceOver announces the gestures you've used and their function -- kind of like a gesture-based keyboard practice mode. If you flick, you might hear "flick right, move to next item"; or if you issue the pass- through gesture, you'd hear "double-tap and hold, drags the item". (The only thing is, you won't hear the small burbly noise that is played when you correctly perform a pass-through gesture of double-tap and hold.) >>> >>> 2: How do I navigate in a listbox? For example if I wanna go >>> through a >>> list of mails in the mail application, how do I go through this >>> list? >>> Do I have to find the top of the list with my finger, then lift my >>> finger from the screen, move it down a bit and then touch again to >>> select the next mail in the list? Or can I just flick to the >>> right? I >>> assume all items like my mailboxes, buttons etc will be read if I >>> flick to the right, so that's the reason for I'm asking on how to >>> navigate in listboxes. When reading mail in your Inbox you can use buttons for previous mail and next mail to go through your messages. (What's a bit odd is that the latest message is at the top of the list, so if you start further down the list at your first unread message you end up tapping the "previous message" button to move through mail, and I haven't found a way to change sort order.) If you start from a listbox you can navigate either by selecting individual items by touch or by using gestures to move through items or pages. For example, you can do a two-finger upward flick to "read all" on the page, and you will hear not only the buttons at the top of the page, but also the list of mail with sender, time, and subject. This will read through the list including scrolling, and you can stop with a two-finger tap. You could also touch the center of the screen (probably close to where you stopped the list reading) and move your finger up or down and have the entries read to you, then double-tap on a specific message that you want to open for reading. Or, if your touch had brought focus to a specific message in the list, you could flick right to move focus to the next item in the list. I find that I'm more likely to simply move my finger up and the down in contact with the screen for lists than to flick, since the announcements and focus just change with the position of my finger.
