Re: frustrated with mail

2013-03-01 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Just to ad a little to Alexes explanation.

I agree that standard view is the way to go. However, I collapse the preview 
pane as otherwise messages are marked as read as soon as you put focus on them, 
even if you haven't actually read them. However, if this doesn't bother you 
then having the preview pane open should be no problem.

I disagree, however, about the show related option. I like having Mail group 
related messages together in a conversation thread. Makes it much easier to 
read messages and their replies. VoiceOver only annnounces a number and 
collapsed if there is indeed more than one message in the conversation. You can 
press right arrow to expand the thread and view the individual messages, or 
just press command o to open the conversation. Or, of course, just arrow up or 
down to avoid them, or delete to trash the whole conversation.

I currently use five accounts and it works great. I find Take Control of Apple 
Mail a great book so that's a good start you're reading it. having multiple 
accounts will, as Alex says, give you multiple accounts listed under inbox, 
drafts, sent, trash, archive, and VIPs. You can view these individually or view 
the commbined folder. These special mailboxes are collapsable, so you can 
simply view the combined route level or expand them to view the individual 
accounts below. You will also have in your mailbox list collapsable entries for 
each of your accounts, with all their custom folders within once you expand 
them.

Again, as Alex said, adding these to your Favourites Bar is a great idea. 
Another way to do it is as follows:
•   Ensure your mailbox list is visible. You can toggle it with 
COMMAND-SHIFT-M.
•   Ensure you are in full screen mode.
•   Navigate to the mailbox in the mailbox list you wish to add to 
your Favourites Bar.
•   Press VO-Comma to mark it for drag and drop.
•   Navigate to the Favourites Bar and press VO-SHIFT-COMMA to drop 
it before the item under the VoiceOver curser, or VO-SHIFT-PERIOD to drop it 
after the item under the VoiceOver curser.

You can then use COMMAND-numbers 1 through 9 to view the corresponding mailbox 
in your Favourites BAr, or COMMAND-CONTROL-nunbers 1 through 9 to move the 
currently selected message to the corresponding mailbox in your Favourites Bar. 
COMMAND-CONTROL-A is, of course, to archive the selected message.

You can do the following to remove mailboxes from your Favourites Bar:
•Make sure your trackpad commander is off, by pressing the 
VO-keys and rotating two fingers counter clockwise.
•   Navigating to the mailbox in the Favourites BAr you wish to 
remove.
•   Routing the mouse to the VO curser with VO-COMMAND-F5.
•   Check that the mouse is over the mailbox you wish to remove by 
pressing VO-F5. If it's not, repete the previous step.
•   Then, click down on your trackpad and drag a finger from the 
top right to the bottom left.

One other tip is that you don't need to interact with the table of messages. By 
simply focusing on it with QuickNav off, you can arrow up and down between the 
messages.

Hope some of this helps a little. Best thing is to read Take Control of Apple 
Mail, replacing any clicking or dragging and dropping with the relevant 
VoiceOver keystrokes, and experimenting a bit yourself. 

Best of luck,
Nic

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RE: frustrated with mail

2013-03-01 Thread Jesus Garcia
Again thanks to all who have answered, no mouse but a track pad, I am using
a mac book pro, and love the track pad. Never thought I would say that what
a difference when an operating system and its access is done correctly. 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 22:03
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: frustrated with mail

Oh right, I forgot those instructions! The below assumes that you do not
have a physical mouse, but only a keyboard. Also, do not forget that your
system may require you to press function to get the f keys to work as f keys
and not as system command keys, so add function to any commands you need to.

1. Interact with the mailboxes table and find the mailbox you want to drag.
2. Route your mouse there with vo-cmd-f5, then disable cursor tracking with
vo-shift-f3.
3. Lock your mouse button down with vo-cmd-shift-space, then stop
interacting with the table, and find the favorites bar. Interact with it and
place your vo focus on the folder after which you want your folder to be
dragged. If you get it wrong, or if I am mistaken and it should be before
the folder, just repeat these instructions to move the folder where you want
it.
4. Route the mouse again, with vo-cmd-f5, then release the mouse button with
vo-cmd-shift-space. You should be done (don't forget to re-enable cursor
tracking with vo-shift-f3).
On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Great this helps thank you now one more question how does one go about 
 dragging the accounts to the favorit bar? Again thanks for the help.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 20:50
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: frustrated with mail
 
 Add accounts in preferences (cmd-comma), under the accounts tab. Once 
 added, I am not sure what happens as I only use my one gMail account, 
 but I think you will have multiple account names under your inbox, 
 sent, and other folders. You can drag any folder you wish to the 
 favorites bar, to get access to them with cmd-1 through cmd-0. For 
 instance, my inbox is cmd-1, my apple folder is cmd-2, my drafts is 
 cmd-3. Again, I do not use multiple accounts so cannot say for certain 
 what will happen, but give it a shot and then explore the mailboxes 
 table to see how things are set up. You may also want to investigate smart
mailboxes on google, as they may help you here.
 
 The classic layout is, in my opinion, confusing and not worth it. The 
 standard one is much better and easier to navigate. On a related note, 
 while you are setting that in mail preferences' viewing tab, make 
 sure to uncheck show related, otherwise you will hear one message 
 conversation collapsed for every message you get, conversation or not.
 
 As for shortcuts:
 .cmd-shift-d: send a message you are composing (think deliver)
 .cmd-r: reply to sender only when viewing, or pointing to, a message
 .cmd-shift-r: reply to all
 .cmd-shift-f: forward message
 .delete: trash the current message
 .cmd-shift-a: attach files to message being written
 .cmd-y: preview attachments to a message being viewed For more 
 shortcuts, look through the menus.
 On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Evening I think my first question is to stick to the classic format 
 or go with the new format which is better for a voice over user? 
 Also, what is the best way to organize the different mail boxes I 
 have three accounts not counting work. My original home email is a 
 bellsouth.net account which was a
 pop3 account. I have an apple account which naturally is set up for 
 iCloud configuration it is the only one that receives both on the mac 
 and
 my phone.
 And the gmail account. I would like to be able to quickly and easily 
 move from box to box and arrow up and down through the message list 
 deleting what I do not want. Last for now a quick set of short cut 
 keys for sending a message and getting mail without having to 
 navigate to
 the tool bar.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 19:36
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: frustrated with mail
 
 What are you having trouble with? Maybe we can help through email or, 
 if it comes to it, I'll bet someone on here would be willing to skype 
 you sometime. Give us a list of questions and I, and others, will do 
 our best to answer them.
 On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Evening if you can find someone willing to spend the time I 
 certainly would love a few pointers regarding mail, not having as 
 many issues as you seem to be having, but I am certain I am not 
 doing

Re: frustrated with mail

2013-03-01 Thread matthew Dyer
Hi Jed,  Contact me on skype if your problem has not been fixed.  Might no the 
problem.  Thanks.

Matthew


On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Jed Barton wrote:

 Hey guys,
 Anyone on here willing to get on Skype to work with me on these mail issues?
 I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window these problems don't make 
 any sense. 
 It's not notifying me when i am getting new mail and i'm having multiple 
 other issues.
 Anyone free to chat?
 
 Thanks,
 Jed
 
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RE: frustrated with mail

2013-03-01 Thread Jed Barton
Hey buddy, just looked for you on there, but didn't see you.
I'm around.

Thanks man,
Jed 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of matthew Dyer
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 12:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: frustrated with mail

Hi Jed,  Contact me on skype if your problem has not been fixed.  Might no
the problem.  Thanks.

Matthew


On Feb 8, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Jed Barton wrote:

 Hey guys,
 Anyone on here willing to get on Skype to work with me on these mail
issues?
 I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window these problems don't
make any sense. 
 It's not notifying me when i am getting new mail and i'm having multiple
other issues.
 Anyone free to chat?
 
 Thanks,
 Jed
 
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RE: frustrated with mail

2013-02-28 Thread Jesus Garcia
Evening if you can find someone willing to spend the time I certainly would
love a few pointers regarding mail, not having as many issues as you seem to
be having, but I am certain I am not doing all I can to make mail simple and
easy with voice over. For anyone thinking of doing a good tutorial in any
format you have a certain customer I would be more than happy to pay upwards
of $50.00 for a good solid tutorial on best practices for mail using voice
over. I am currently working my way through taking control of mail in
mountain lion and though a few pointers have already made things a little
easier this is not a book written with a voice over user in mind.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 21:12
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: frustrated with mail

Hey guys,
Anyone on here willing to get on Skype to work with me on these mail issues?
I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window these problems don't make
any sense. 
It's not notifying me when i am getting new mail and i'm having multiple
other issues.
Anyone free to chat?

Thanks,
Jed

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Re: frustrated with mail

2013-02-28 Thread Alex Hall
What are you having trouble with? Maybe we can help through email or, if it 
comes to it, I'll bet someone on here would be willing to skype you sometime. 
Give us a list of questions and I, and others, will do our best to answer them.
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Evening if you can find someone willing to spend the time I certainly would
 love a few pointers regarding mail, not having as many issues as you seem to
 be having, but I am certain I am not doing all I can to make mail simple and
 easy with voice over. For anyone thinking of doing a good tutorial in any
 format you have a certain customer I would be more than happy to pay upwards
 of $50.00 for a good solid tutorial on best practices for mail using voice
 over. I am currently working my way through taking control of mail in
 mountain lion and though a few pointers have already made things a little
 easier this is not a book written with a voice over user in mind.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 21:12
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: frustrated with mail
 
 Hey guys,
 Anyone on here willing to get on Skype to work with me on these mail issues?
 I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window these problems don't make
 any sense. 
 It's not notifying me when i am getting new mail and i'm having multiple
 other issues.
 Anyone free to chat?
 
 Thanks,
 Jed
 
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RE: frustrated with mail

2013-02-28 Thread Jesus Garcia
Evening I think my first question is to stick to the classic format or go
with the new format which is better for a voice over user? Also, what is the
best way to organize the different mail boxes I have three accounts not
counting work. My original home email is a bellsouth.net account which was a
pop3 account. I have an apple account which naturally is set up for iCloud
configuration it is the only one that receives both on the mac and my phone.
And the gmail account. I would like to be able to quickly and easily move
from box to box and arrow up and down through the message list deleting what
I do not want. Last for now a quick set of short cut keys for sending a
message and getting mail without having to navigate to the tool bar.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 19:36
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: frustrated with mail

What are you having trouble with? Maybe we can help through email or, if it
comes to it, I'll bet someone on here would be willing to skype you
sometime. Give us a list of questions and I, and others, will do our best to
answer them.
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Evening if you can find someone willing to spend the time I certainly 
 would love a few pointers regarding mail, not having as many issues as 
 you seem to be having, but I am certain I am not doing all I can to 
 make mail simple and easy with voice over. For anyone thinking of 
 doing a good tutorial in any format you have a certain customer I 
 would be more than happy to pay upwards of $50.00 for a good solid 
 tutorial on best practices for mail using voice over. I am currently 
 working my way through taking control of mail in mountain lion and 
 though a few pointers have already made things a little easier this is not
a book written with a voice over user in mind.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 21:12
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: frustrated with mail
 
 Hey guys,
 Anyone on here willing to get on Skype to work with me on these mail
issues?
 I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window these problems 
 don't make any sense.
 It's not notifying me when i am getting new mail and i'm having 
 multiple other issues.
 Anyone free to chat?
 
 Thanks,
 Jed
 
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Re: frustrated with mail

2013-02-28 Thread Alex Hall
Add accounts in preferences (cmd-comma), under the accounts tab. Once added, I 
am not sure what happens as I only use my one gMail account, but I think you 
will have multiple account names under your inbox, sent, and other folders. You 
can drag any folder you wish to the favorites bar, to get access to them with 
cmd-1 through cmd-0. For instance, my inbox is cmd-1, my apple folder is cmd-2, 
my drafts is cmd-3. Again, I do not use multiple accounts so cannot say for 
certain what will happen, but give it a shot and then explore the mailboxes 
table to see how things are set up. You may also want to investigate smart 
mailboxes on google, as they may help you here.

The classic layout is, in my opinion, confusing and not worth it. The standard 
one is much better and easier to navigate. On a related note, while you are 
setting that in mail preferences' viewing tab, make sure to uncheck show 
related, otherwise you will hear one message conversation collapsed for 
every message you get, conversation or not.

As for shortcuts:
•cmd-shift-d: send a message you are composing (think deliver)
•cmd-r: reply to sender only when viewing, or pointing to, a message
•cmd-shift-r: reply to all
•cmd-shift-f: forward message
•delete: trash the current message
•cmd-shift-a: attach files to message being written
•cmd-y: preview attachments to a message being viewed
For more shortcuts, look through the menus.
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Evening I think my first question is to stick to the classic format or go
 with the new format which is better for a voice over user? Also, what is the
 best way to organize the different mail boxes I have three accounts not
 counting work. My original home email is a bellsouth.net account which was a
 pop3 account. I have an apple account which naturally is set up for iCloud
 configuration it is the only one that receives both on the mac and my phone.
 And the gmail account. I would like to be able to quickly and easily move
 from box to box and arrow up and down through the message list deleting what
 I do not want. Last for now a quick set of short cut keys for sending a
 message and getting mail without having to navigate to the tool bar.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 19:36
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: frustrated with mail
 
 What are you having trouble with? Maybe we can help through email or, if it
 comes to it, I'll bet someone on here would be willing to skype you
 sometime. Give us a list of questions and I, and others, will do our best to
 answer them.
 On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Evening if you can find someone willing to spend the time I certainly 
 would love a few pointers regarding mail, not having as many issues as 
 you seem to be having, but I am certain I am not doing all I can to 
 make mail simple and easy with voice over. For anyone thinking of 
 doing a good tutorial in any format you have a certain customer I 
 would be more than happy to pay upwards of $50.00 for a good solid 
 tutorial on best practices for mail using voice over. I am currently 
 working my way through taking control of mail in mountain lion and 
 though a few pointers have already made things a little easier this is not
 a book written with a voice over user in mind.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 21:12
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: frustrated with mail
 
 Hey guys,
 Anyone on here willing to get on Skype to work with me on these mail
 issues?
 I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window these problems 
 don't make any sense.
 It's not notifying me when i am getting new mail and i'm having 
 multiple other issues.
 Anyone free to chat?
 
 Thanks,
 Jed
 
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RE: frustrated with mail

2013-02-28 Thread Jesus Garcia
Great this helps thank you now one more question how does one go about
dragging the accounts to the favorit bar? Again thanks for the help.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 20:50
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: frustrated with mail

Add accounts in preferences (cmd-comma), under the accounts tab. Once added,
I am not sure what happens as I only use my one gMail account, but I think
you will have multiple account names under your inbox, sent, and other
folders. You can drag any folder you wish to the favorites bar, to get
access to them with cmd-1 through cmd-0. For instance, my inbox is cmd-1, my
apple folder is cmd-2, my drafts is cmd-3. Again, I do not use multiple
accounts so cannot say for certain what will happen, but give it a shot and
then explore the mailboxes table to see how things are set up. You may also
want to investigate smart mailboxes on google, as they may help you here.

The classic layout is, in my opinion, confusing and not worth it. The
standard one is much better and easier to navigate. On a related note, while
you are setting that in mail preferences' viewing tab, make sure to
uncheck show related, otherwise you will hear one message conversation
collapsed for every message you get, conversation or not.

As for shortcuts:
.cmd-shift-d: send a message you are composing (think deliver)
.cmd-r: reply to sender only when viewing, or pointing to, a message
.cmd-shift-r: reply to all
.cmd-shift-f: forward message
.delete: trash the current message
.cmd-shift-a: attach files to message being written
.cmd-y: preview attachments to a message being viewed For more shortcuts,
look through the menus.
On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Evening I think my first question is to stick to the classic format or 
 go with the new format which is better for a voice over user? Also, 
 what is the best way to organize the different mail boxes I have three 
 accounts not counting work. My original home email is a bellsouth.net 
 account which was a
 pop3 account. I have an apple account which naturally is set up for 
 iCloud configuration it is the only one that receives both on the mac and
my phone.
 And the gmail account. I would like to be able to quickly and easily 
 move from box to box and arrow up and down through the message list 
 deleting what I do not want. Last for now a quick set of short cut 
 keys for sending a message and getting mail without having to navigate to
the tool bar.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 19:36
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: frustrated with mail
 
 What are you having trouble with? Maybe we can help through email or, 
 if it comes to it, I'll bet someone on here would be willing to skype 
 you sometime. Give us a list of questions and I, and others, will do 
 our best to answer them.
 On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Jesus Garcia jesusga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Evening if you can find someone willing to spend the time I certainly 
 would love a few pointers regarding mail, not having as many issues 
 as you seem to be having, but I am certain I am not doing all I can 
 to make mail simple and easy with voice over. For anyone thinking of 
 doing a good tutorial in any format you have a certain customer I 
 would be more than happy to pay upwards of $50.00 for a good solid 
 tutorial on best practices for mail using voice over. I am currently 
 working my way through taking control of mail in mountain lion and 
 though a few pointers have already made things a little easier this 
 is not
 a book written with a voice over user in mind.
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 21:12
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: frustrated with mail
 
 Hey guys,
 Anyone on here willing to get on Skype to work with me on these mail
 issues?
 I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window these problems 
 don't make any sense.
 It's not notifying me when i am getting new mail and i'm having 
 multiple other issues.
 Anyone free to chat?
 
 Thanks,
 Jed
 
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Re: frustrated with mail

2013-02-10 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Jed,

Why don't you try calling Apple Care? they're really good at handling these 
kinds of general Mac OS X questions. If you purchased your Mac recently you 
should have 90 days free Apple Care phone support. Alternatively, you could see 
a Genius at the Apple Store. 

Best,
Nic

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Re: frustrated with mail

2013-02-08 Thread Maxwell Ivey
hello; i've never used Skype, but the notification issue should be easy. you 
hit command coma to get to the settings.  i have mine set to play the sound 
they call glass when i have mail.  i also have it set to check every 15 
minutes.  when my mail is downloading it usually says number of messages being 
added, but i think that part is set in verbosity settings in voiceover.  hope 
that helps, best of luck, max  
On Feb 8, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Jed Barton wrote:

 Hey guys,
 Anyone on here willing to get on Skype to work with me on these mail issues?
 I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window these problems don't make 
 any sense. 
 It's not notifying me when i am getting new mail and i'm having multiple 
 other issues.
 Anyone free to chat?
 
 Thanks,
 Jed
 
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