Re: [Bulk] Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility
On Feb 16, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Michael Thurman wrote: just post t he text if you want to post stuff here these stes are rediculous anywayif you can't copy and paste the text into the E mail why bother these sites take forever and are almost universally porly written 1. These messages are auto generated by the site. It provides an excerpt, the length of which I cannot control. It isn't a human copying and pasting the message into an email. 2. As the main author of the written content for the site, I'm very sorry to hear you feel our content is so poorly written. I take a great deal of time and put a great deal of effort into the site, and am transitioning to devoting more resources to providing news and content. Tutorials, more podcasts, and more written features are planned. I hope you will find some of it useful. I also find it a little disheartening that you feel it appropriate to attack someone's work and don't even take the time to proof read/correct an email you're sending out to hundreds of others, which serves no purpose but to put down someone else. 3. We've gone over and over the reasons for the moderation choices we make on these lists. We can't please everyone. We really do try to provide a good forum and a good web site that is useful for as many people as possible. Myself, the mods of these lists, and those of us who work on the web site are not these terrible evil ogres some of you seem to believe we are. We all volunteer our time for free to provide these things. We try to make them valuable. Josh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility
For my part, I'm going only to say this. I suspect that what we're dealing with here is a fundamental misunderstanding. Seems to me to be the case that, if we had this explanation earlier, (perhaps at the point of first criticism), it would never have gone to this level. I myself have found the site to be of use especially in my beginning Mac days. I think there's sometimes a gap between what developers put in and what people get out. This gap could, I think, be eliminated by better explanations on both parts as to when problems arise. Developers feel that the would be recipients of a piece of information or site is not being appreciated by the would be recipients. The recipients feel that not enough is being done. I suspect that it might be useful if we all kind of stepped back from the edge a bit and asked ourselves how we can better communicate with one another about things going on. I'm not suggesting we all become experts at this; but, I think if we let this gap go on to long, it would not be healthy for either side. Just my two cents. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!! Skype Name: barefootedray On Feb 16, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: On Feb 16, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Michael Thurman wrote: just post t he text if you want to post stuff here these stes are rediculous anywayif you can't copy and paste the text into the E mail why bother these sites take forever and are almost universally porly written 1. These messages are auto generated by the site. It provides an excerpt, the length of which I cannot control. It isn't a human copying and pasting the message into an email. 2. As the main author of the written content for the site, I'm very sorry to hear you feel our content is so poorly written. I take a great deal of time and put a great deal of effort into the site, and am transitioning to devoting more resources to providing news and content. Tutorials, more podcasts, and more written features are planned. I hope you will find some of it useful. I also find it a little disheartening that you feel it appropriate to attack someone's work and don't even take the time to proof read/correct an email you're sending out to hundreds of others, which serves no purpose but to put down someone else. 3. We've gone over and over the reasons for the moderation choices we make on these lists. We can't please everyone. We really do try to provide a good forum and a good web site that is useful for as many people as possible. Myself, the mods of these lists, and those of us who work on the web site are not these terrible evil ogres some of you seem to believe we are. We all volunteer our time for free to provide these things. We try to make them valuable. Josh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility
Hi Josh. The only thing most of us don't like is that the server only send a part of the articles instead the whole articles. Personally I like the website and really like the way you write the articles and explains how things works, but the way the news is being sended to the lists is very annoying. Best regards: Søren Jensen mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 16/02/2011 kl. 18.21 skrev Josh de Lioncourt: On Feb 16, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Michael Thurman wrote: just post t he text if you want to post stuff here these stes are rediculous anywayif you can't copy and paste the text into the E mail why bother these sites take forever and are almost universally porly written 1. These messages are auto generated by the site. It provides an excerpt, the length of which I cannot control. It isn't a human copying and pasting the message into an email. 2. As the main author of the written content for the site, I'm very sorry to hear you feel our content is so poorly written. I take a great deal of time and put a great deal of effort into the site, and am transitioning to devoting more resources to providing news and content. Tutorials, more podcasts, and more written features are planned. I hope you will find some of it useful. I also find it a little disheartening that you feel it appropriate to attack someone's work and don't even take the time to proof read/correct an email you're sending out to hundreds of others, which serves no purpose but to put down someone else. 3. We've gone over and over the reasons for the moderation choices we make on these lists. We can't please everyone. We really do try to provide a good forum and a good web site that is useful for as many people as possible. Myself, the mods of these lists, and those of us who work on the web site are not these terrible evil ogres some of you seem to believe we are. We all volunteer our time for free to provide these things. We try to make them valuable. Josh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility
I guess my problem whenever this topic comes up--and it comes up kind of a lot--is that Josh and the other mods don't owe us anything. If they feel their services aren't appreciated enough, they're perfectly within their rights to stop providing them. If we feel we aren't getting enough out of what they provide, on the other hand--well, we aren't putting anything into it, you know? Why should we be entitled to get a return on it? Getting anything at all out of what people do in their free time, at no cost to anyone but themselves, is a bonus, IMO. If people don't want to go to the website to read the story, then no one's making them, and the snippets are always long enough to allow decisions to be made about whether the story is interesting enough to warrant that extra click. I'm not having a go at you, or the message you sent, which seemed reasonable. It's just the general tone the topic takes on always seems pretty entitled, to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility
Please. Can we all spend a few seconds to proof read and spell check our messages before sending them off? Especially when you are attacking someone for poorly written content. lol. The irony is dripping all over this. An no. I'm not a list mod. I just like to be able to get through a 2 sentence post without wondering what language its being written in . Thanks. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Feb 16, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Michael Thurman wrote: just post t he text if you want to post stuff here these stes are rediculous anywayif you can't copy and paste the text into the E mail why bother these sites take forever and are almost universally porly written On Feb 14, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Quite correct. IF you ask me, this is getting just plain f. IF the intention is to encourage us to visit the site for the story, why not just post the blasted link and be done with it for goodness sake. I'm also growing very weary of this infantile stupid practice of making us go to the site when all that's left of an article is perhaps one or two words. ENOUGH, ENOUGH, ENOUGH Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!! Skype Name: barefootedray On Feb 14, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Chris Moore wrote: I must admit, I totally agree with this. What is the point in directing us to only read a few extra words? This seems to happen with the majority of these postings. Why not just paste the entire article in here? On 14 Feb 2011, at 09:51, Søren Jensen wrote: I'm tired of reading 95% of the news and then click the link to open the website to read the last 10 words. I don't know if this is the limit of the blogging system, but I don't have time . to open up a website just to read the whole news when receiving more than 200 mails each day. Best regards: Søren Jensen mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 11/02/2011 kl. 21.00 skrev Maccessibility: Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility The IconFactory has released the much anticipated Twitterific 4.0 for Mac OS X. Though Twitterific was one of the first OS X Twitter clients to incorporate accessibility, the application has taken a huge step backward with this release. The message timelines are not exposed to VoiceOver, making the app unusable. Interestingly, much of the app elsewhere [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/02/11/twitterific-for-mac-4-0-is-released-sans-voiceover-accessibility/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility
I'm tired of reading 95% of the news and then click the link to open the website to read the last 10 words. I don't know if this is the limit of the blogging system, but I don't have time . to open up a website just to read the whole news when receiving more than 200 mails each day. Best regards: Søren Jensen mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 11/02/2011 kl. 21.00 skrev Maccessibility: Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility The IconFactory has released the much anticipated Twitterific 4.0 for Mac OS X. Though Twitterific was one of the first OS X Twitter clients to incorporate accessibility, the application has taken a huge step backward with this release. The message timelines are not exposed to VoiceOver, making the app unusable. Interestingly, much of the app elsewhere [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/02/11/twitterific-for-mac-4-0-is-released-sans-voiceover-accessibility/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility
I must admit, I totally agree with this. What is the point in directing us to only read a few extra words? This seems to happen with the majority of these postings. Why not just paste the entire article in here? On 14 Feb 2011, at 09:51, Søren Jensen wrote: I'm tired of reading 95% of the news and then click the link to open the website to read the last 10 words. I don't know if this is the limit of the blogging system, but I don't have time . to open up a website just to read the whole news when receiving more than 200 mails each day. Best regards: Søren Jensen mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 11/02/2011 kl. 21.00 skrev Maccessibility: Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility The IconFactory has released the much anticipated Twitterific 4.0 for Mac OS X. Though Twitterific was one of the first OS X Twitter clients to incorporate accessibility, the application has taken a huge step backward with this release. The message timelines are not exposed to VoiceOver, making the app unusable. Interestingly, much of the app elsewhere [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/02/11/twitterific-for-mac-4-0-is-released-sans-voiceover-accessibility/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility
Quite correct. IF you ask me, this is getting just plain f. IF the intention is to encourage us to visit the site for the story, why not just post the blasted link and be done with it for goodness sake. I'm also growing very weary of this infantile stupid practice of making us go to the site when all that's left of an article is perhaps one or two words. ENOUGH, ENOUGH, ENOUGH Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!! Skype Name: barefootedray On Feb 14, 2011, at 6:27 AM, Chris Moore wrote: I must admit, I totally agree with this. What is the point in directing us to only read a few extra words? This seems to happen with the majority of these postings. Why not just paste the entire article in here? On 14 Feb 2011, at 09:51, Søren Jensen wrote: I'm tired of reading 95% of the news and then click the link to open the website to read the last 10 words. I don't know if this is the limit of the blogging system, but I don't have time . to open up a website just to read the whole news when receiving more than 200 mails each day. Best regards: Søren Jensen mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den 11/02/2011 kl. 21.00 skrev Maccessibility: Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility The IconFactory has released the much anticipated Twitterific 4.0 for Mac OS X. Though Twitterific was one of the first OS X Twitter clients to incorporate accessibility, the application has taken a huge step backward with this release. The message timelines are not exposed to VoiceOver, making the app unusable. Interestingly, much of the app elsewhere [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/02/11/twitterific-for-mac-4-0-is-released-sans-voiceover-accessibility/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Mac-cessibility News] Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility
Man, why does this continue to happen. I don't understand how or why breaking accessibility happens. I thought that if the programmers coded the app incorporating Apple's accessibility guidelines, it would simply work. For that matter, I thought that if the programmer simply used Cocoa as the programming language, it would work. Can someone explain to me how exactly this works please? Do developers have to make a large effort to make apps accessible? I've always been a little unclear on this. Thanks. Friendly, Chris On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Maccessibility wrote: Twitterific for Mac 4.0 Is Released Sans VoiceOver Accessibility The IconFactory has released the much anticipated Twitterific 4.0 for Mac OS X. Though Twitterific was one of the first OS X Twitter clients to incorporate accessibility, the application has taken a huge step backward with this release. The message timelines are not exposed to VoiceOver, making the app unusable. Interestingly, much of the app elsewhere [...] You can read the rest of this news item at: http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/02/11/twitterific-for-mac-4-0-is-released-sans-voiceover-accessibility/ The Mac-cessibility Network ...it's all within our reach... http://maccessibility.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
