Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-07 Thread Jonathan Cohn
Karen,

The ring doorbell might work for you I understand that it has different alerts 
for when the motion sensor is alerted and when the door bell on the device is 
pushed. It also allows you to have a conversation with the person that pushed 
the door bell before opening the door. 

> On Feb 6, 2018, at 11:32 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Oh no, I carry two other cell phones, one  for each country.  I have no 
> intention of using this IPhone as my actual cell phone, in fact will find a 
> keyboard for it if I can.
> I would aim  for the same concept if I had a macbook pro, or an ipad.  a 
> device assuming there was a monitoring app, that would send an  alert to one  
> of my actual cell phones.  In truth I could choose a vibration for the alert 
> on the phone itself.
> the IPhone has more app options, since my cellphones are rather basic, as 
> with buttons etc.
> Does that make more sense?
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, I'm not sure I follow. You mean a doorbell that would call your 
>> regular (I'm assuming that's a landline) phone? Where does the iPhone come 
>> into the mix?
>> 
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 14:23, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> This seems to be a Mercedes solution  to a Volkswagen bug  kind of problem.
>>> I do not want to buy allot of technology that I may be physically unable to 
>>> use.
>>> My hope was an app that could send a message to a different contact if that 
>>> makes sense.
>>> say use the IPhone with keyboard largely to manage  the application, with 
>>> it  calling my regular phone when the bell is rung.
>>> mounting the sensor so it does not fall would not be that challenging if I 
>>> understand them physically at least.
>>> Other simple solutions?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious 
 other options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow 
 automation, you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad 
 that's turned on (but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 
 or newer, or a HomePod.
 
 
 Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you 
 could get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your 
 door. Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the 
 door. This option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could 
 get something like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when 
 it rings and can even allow two-way audio communication between you and 
 whoever is at the door. It does video from the door to your phone, too, 
 but I doubt that matters as much.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I 
> want to make the effort.
> I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
> I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
> anything at all yet.
> Here is my desire.
> I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
> Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, 
> I am considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
> What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone 
> rings my doorbell at the very least.
> I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text 
> message.
> The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely 
> enough to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can 
> detect its presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  
> frankly I am asking for ideas because I have not needed to consider this 
> sort of thing before.
> thoughts?
> Kare
> 
> 
 
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Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-07 Thread Jonathan Cohn
Well, you need to somehow get the iPhone to recognize the doorbell press. 
Generally this would require some kind of wireless networking either Bluetooth 
or WiFi but if the current doorbell is older than 10 years there is little 
chance that it has this technology so you would need to either replace the 
doorbell or find something that listens specifically for the doorbell and then 
communicates to your monitor iPhone device. Since you are indicating that there 
is quite a bit of ambient noise in the environment I would expect that the 
ability for a device to isolate a doorbell chime would be almost as difficult 
as it is for you. 

So I don’t think there is a easy way to jury rig your spare phone into the 
gateway between your doorbell and other phones in the house. 

So: other possibilities:
1. Upgrade the door bell. If you want it to communicate with a iPhone there are 
a few things out there, but I have no idea what accessibility is available on 
any of them.
2. Look at  your Rogers Home security plan. I would expect they are required to 
provide reasonable accommodations so could cost less than finding a feature not 
through a service provider, and since they see this as a way of locking you 
into there Cable, Phone, and/or Internet services the cost are lower than with 
traditional home security systems. I believe their systems will communicate 
with your iPhone and will also have different alerts for different events.

Also, I was not implying that you were deaf / blind but that deaf / blind 
solutions might be a direction to look at. I’m sorry if I offended you. 

HTH,

Jonathan 

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Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-06 Thread Karen Lewellen

well there are other reasons why I may not manage the doorbell.
1, I run a production company, my flat is several feet above the door and 
also  above a business.
2, as a result there are so many things going on that the doorbell, which 
is on a totally different floor from my flat  may get  lost in 
translation.
3, given there are home environment monitoring programs / services, I 
thought there might  be a simple ios solution,  incorporated  either in a 
large package, or as a single application.
One of our telecommunications companies here rogers provides  a home 
monitoring smart home service as a part of cable for example.
Actually I did not follow why a sensor monitoring the door would fall, nor 
do I follow why wanting something to attract my attention, translates into 
deaf blindness.

 More clear?


On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


OK, reading between the lines here, please correct me.

1. You can not hear the doorbell.
2. You want something that can hear the current doorbell and notify you via 
vibration. You would be happy if it is this iPhone but it does not need to be 
that.

I don't know much about deaf-blind solutions. I wonder if there is anything 
listed at able data?
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Feb 5, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Alex,
This seems to be a Mercedes solution  to a Volkswagen bug  kind of problem.
I do not want to buy allot of technology that I may be physically unable to use.
My hope was an app that could send a message to a different contact if that 
makes sense.
say use the IPhone with keyboard largely to manage  the application, with it  
calling my regular phone when the bell is rung.
mounting the sensor so it does not fall would not be that challenging if I 
understand them physically at least.
Other simple solutions?
Kare


On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:


Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious other 
options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow automation, 
you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad that's turned on 
(but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 or newer, or a HomePod.


Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you could 
get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your door. 
Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the door. This 
option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could get something 
like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when it rings and can 
even allow two-way audio communication between you and whoever is at the door. 
It does video from the door to your phone, too, but I doubt that matters as 
much.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi all,
Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want to 
make the effort.
I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
anything at all yet.
Here is my desire.
I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I am 
considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone rings my 
doorbell at the very least.
I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text message.
The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely enough 
to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect its 
presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I am asking 
for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of thing before.
thoughts?
Kare




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Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-06 Thread Karen Lewellen
Oh no, I carry two other cell phones, one  for each country.  I have no 
intention of using this 
IPhone as my actual cell phone, in fact will find a keyboard for it if I 
can.
I would aim  for the same concept if I had a macbook pro, or an ipad.  a 
device assuming there was a monitoring app, that would send an  alert to 
one  of my actual cell phones.  In truth I could choose a vibration for the 
alert on the phone itself.
the IPhone has more app options, since my cellphones are rather basic, as 
with buttons etc.

 Does that make more sense?



On Tue, 6 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:


Sorry, I'm not sure I follow. You mean a doorbell that would call your regular 
(I'm assuming that's a landline) phone? Where does the iPhone come into the mix?

--
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On Feb 5, 2018, at 14:23, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi Alex,
This seems to be a Mercedes solution  to a Volkswagen bug  kind of problem.
I do not want to buy allot of technology that I may be physically unable to use.
My hope was an app that could send a message to a different contact if that 
makes sense.
say use the IPhone with keyboard largely to manage  the application, with it  
calling my regular phone when the bell is rung.
mounting the sensor so it does not fall would not be that challenging if I 
understand them physically at least.
Other simple solutions?
Kare


On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:


Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious other 
options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow automation, 
you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad that's turned on 
(but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 or newer, or a HomePod.


Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you could 
get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your door. 
Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the door. This 
option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could get something 
like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when it rings and can 
even allow two-way audio communication between you and whoever is at the door. 
It does video from the door to your phone, too, but I doubt that matters as 
much.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi all,
Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want to 
make the effort.
I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
anything at all yet.
Here is my desire.
I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I am 
considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone rings my 
doorbell at the very least.
I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text message.
The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely enough 
to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect its 
presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I am asking 
for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of thing before.
thoughts?
Kare




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Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-06 Thread Jonathan Cohn
OK, reading between the lines here, please correct me. 

1. You can not hear the doorbell.
2. You want something that can hear the current doorbell and notify you via 
vibration. You would be happy if it is this iPhone but it does not need to be 
that. 

I don't know much about deaf-blind solutions. I wonder if there is anything 
listed at able data?
Jonathan 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 5, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> This seems to be a Mercedes solution  to a Volkswagen bug  kind of problem.
> I do not want to buy allot of technology that I may be physically unable to 
> use.
> My hope was an app that could send a message to a different contact if that 
> makes sense.
> say use the IPhone with keyboard largely to manage  the application, with it  
> calling my regular phone when the bell is rung.
> mounting the sensor so it does not fall would not be that challenging if I 
> understand them physically at least.
> Other simple solutions?
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious other 
>> options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow 
>> automation, you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad 
>> that's turned on (but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 or 
>> newer, or a HomePod.
>> 
>> 
>> Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you 
>> could get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your 
>> door. Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the 
>> door. This option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could 
>> get something like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when it 
>> rings and can even allow two-way audio communication between you and whoever 
>> is at the door. It does video from the door to your phone, too, but I doubt 
>> that matters as much.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want 
>>> to make the effort.
>>> I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
>>> I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
>>> anything at all yet.
>>> Here is my desire.
>>> I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
>>> Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I 
>>> am considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
>>> What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone rings 
>>> my doorbell at the very least.
>>> I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text 
>>> message.
>>> The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely 
>>> enough to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect 
>>> its presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I am 
>>> asking for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of thing 
>>> before.
>>> thoughts?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-06 Thread Alex Hall
Sorry, I'm not sure I follow. You mean a doorbell that would call your regular 
(I'm assuming that's a landline) phone? Where does the iPhone come into the mix?

--
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> On Feb 5, 2018, at 14:23, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> This seems to be a Mercedes solution  to a Volkswagen bug  kind of problem.
> I do not want to buy allot of technology that I may be physically unable to 
> use.
> My hope was an app that could send a message to a different contact if that 
> makes sense.
> say use the IPhone with keyboard largely to manage  the application, with it  
> calling my regular phone when the bell is rung.
> mounting the sensor so it does not fall would not be that challenging if I 
> understand them physically at least.
> Other simple solutions?
> Kare
> 
> 
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious other 
>> options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow 
>> automation, you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad 
>> that's turned on (but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 or 
>> newer, or a HomePod.
>> 
>> 
>> Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you 
>> could get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your 
>> door. Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the 
>> door. This option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could 
>> get something like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when it 
>> rings and can even allow two-way audio communication between you and whoever 
>> is at the door. It does video from the door to your phone, too, but I doubt 
>> that matters as much.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want 
>>> to make the effort.
>>> I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
>>> I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
>>> anything at all yet.
>>> Here is my desire.
>>> I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
>>> Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I 
>>> am considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
>>> What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone rings 
>>> my doorbell at the very least.
>>> I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text 
>>> message.
>>> The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely 
>>> enough to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect 
>>> its presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I am 
>>> asking for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of thing 
>>> before.
>>> thoughts?
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-05 Thread Karen Lewellen

Hi Alex,
This seems to be a Mercedes solution  to a Volkswagen bug  kind of problem.
I do not want to buy allot of technology that I may be physically unable to 
use.
My hope was an app that could send a message to a different contact if 
that makes sense.
say use the IPhone with keyboard largely to manage  the application, with 
it  calling my regular phone when the bell is rung.
mounting the sensor so it does not fall would not be that challenging if I 
understand them physically at least.

Other simple solutions?
Kare


On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, Alex Hall wrote:


Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious other 
options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow automation, 
you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad that's turned on 
(but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 or newer, or a HomePod.


Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you could 
get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your door. 
Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the door. This 
option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could get something 
like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when it rings and can 
even allow two-way audio communication between you and whoever is at the door. 
It does video from the door to your phone, too, but I doubt that matters as 
much.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi all,
Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want to 
make the effort.
I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
anything at all yet.
Here is my desire.
I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I am 
considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone rings my 
doorbell at the very least.
I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text message.
The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely enough 
to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect its 
presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I am asking 
for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of thing before.
thoughts?
Kare




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Re: Can I do this with an Iphone?

2018-02-05 Thread Alex Hall
Two options come immediately to mind, though I may be missing obvious other 
options. First, to get HomeKit working beyond your home or to allow automation, 
you'll need a hub. This can be an Apple TV 4 or newer, an iPad that's turned on 
(but can be locked), on your network, and running iOS 10 or newer, or a HomePod.


Once you have that, you have a few choices I can come up with. First, you could 
get a HomeKit-enabled security camera aimed Through a window at your door. 
Second, you could get a simple motion sensor and mount it above the door. This 
option would probably fire constantly, though. Third, you could get something 
like a Ring doorbell, which uses HomeKit to alert you when it rings and can 
even allow two-way audio communication between you and whoever is at the door. 
It does video from the door to your phone, too, but I doubt that matters as 
much.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2018, at 00:10, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Sorry if   my question seems out of step, but if this  is possible, I want to 
> make the effort.
> I have no idea what homekit does, might include my goals I suppose.
> I have an IPhone 5se?, recently unlocked by a co-worker, but not used for 
> anything at all yet.
> Here is my desire.
> I just found a new apartment which is a flat above a business.
> Because mine is the only dwelling and said business closes rather early, I am 
> considering a touch of extra  well monitoring in a way.
> What I want is something that sends a vibrating indicator if  someone rings 
> my doorbell at the very least.
> I do not wish to need a browser for this, nor am I interested in a text 
> message.
> The apartment has a doorbell already, but I have not checked it closely 
> enough to learn if it is  wireless.  My hope is the application  can detect 
> its presence.  If I need to add a simple sensor I am willing,  frankly I am 
> asking for ideas because I have not needed to consider this sort of thing 
> before.
> thoughts?
> Kare
> 
> 

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