Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-16 Thread Devin Prater
Why buy office when Pages is free? 

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> On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:24, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> The below article mentions that the up-coming Office for Mac has been rebuilt 
> in Cocoa, the Mac's native programming language, so there's a good chance it 
> will have taken advantage of all Apple's built-in accessibility. Here's 
> hoping.
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2141101/five-interesting-tidbits-from-the-office-for-ipad-ama.html#tk.rss_all
> 
> Microsoft does Reddit: Five cool things we learned about Office for iPad
> 
> 
> Apps
> Don’t look now, but the Office for iPad team ventured onto Reddit for one of 
> the service's Ask Me Anything (AMA) sessions. Here are the five most 
> intriguing things they said.
> 
> The Office for iPad team and Office for Mac team are one and the same
> 
> Not a big surprise, but the folks who built the Office for iPad apps are the 
> same ones who are working on Office for Mac. And it’s a pretty Mac-centric 
> group, too; According to the team, “everyone has an iPad, and the Mac:PC 
> ratio is 16:1.” Don’t expect them to reveal when the next version of Office 
> might make its way to the Mac, however; when asked, the group would only say 
> “we are working on the next version.”
> 
> Office for iPad was built from the ground up, and shares code with OS X
> 
> One of the nicest things about the new Office apps is that they feel fluid 
> and comfortable on the iPad, and the back-end code is part of the reason for 
> that: According to one of the Word developers, the team “started with the Mac 
> Office code base, and ported it from [the older OS X Carbon infrastructure] 
> to Cocoa/UIKit.” In fact, building the iPad versions of the Office apps is 
> actually helping the team rebuild Office for Mac: When it arrives, the OS X 
> suite should be fully built in the modern Cocoa infrastructure—resulting in 
> faster and more responsive versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.
> 
> Ballmer approved Office for iPad
> 
> While the Office for iPad team didn’t comment directly about the app suite’s 
> rumored shelving/delays over the years, the team’s technical product manager 
> did let slip that it was Ballmer who approved Office for iPad’s release, not 
> new CEO Satya Nadella.
> 
> Hate all you want on Clippy, but Max was pretty cool
> 
> 
> Max = so much cooler than Clippy.
> 
> There were plenty of comments in the AMA both praising and insulting Office’s 
> old mascot/3D-assistant Clippy, but one of the Office for iPad team’s Word 
> developers pointed out an important detail in that debate: Clippy wasn’t 
> actually called Clippy on the Mac—he was Max. “Max was an icon of a Mac SE, 
> and, when he got bored, he’d turn himself into a Rubik’s Cube. In typical Mac 
> fashion, Clippy was lame. Max was cool.”
> 
> Macworld has a hidden presence in the Microsoft’s Silicon Valley offices
> 
> Microsoft iPad for Office team
> When asked about “cool vintage Apple products” hidden in the Office for iPad 
> team’s offices, Derek Johnson pointed out that there are quite a few Macworld 
> Eddys and MacUser awards hanging out in Silicon Valley above a bar made 
> entirely of Office for Mac boxes. Also, a G4 cubequarium (which is sadly not 
> Macworld-related, but pretty cool all the same).
> 
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Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-16 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi.

For me there would be good reasons to by office if it becomes accessible. As I 
experience it headings on different levels works better, I can not figure out 
this in pages. I have never ever got it to work quick and easy to make a 
document with table of content, and I really say quick and easy, I will not 
spend a lot of time on such a task. Now I have in fact found a way to do that, 
that is quick and easy, I think I will tell about it some day in the future, 
but pages were not helpfull for that task.

Best regards Annie.
Den 16/04/2014 kl. 17.23 skrev Devin Prater :

> Why buy office when Pages is free? 
> 
> Devin Prater
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> On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:24, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> The below article mentions that the up-coming Office for Mac has been 
>> rebuilt in Cocoa, the Mac's native programming language, so there's a good 
>> chance it will have taken advantage of all Apple's built-in accessibility. 
>> Here's hoping.
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2141101/five-interesting-tidbits-from-the-office-for-ipad-ama.html#tk.rss_all
>> 
>> Microsoft does Reddit: Five cool things we learned about Office for iPad
>> 
>> 
>> Apps
>> Don't look now, but the Office for iPad team ventured onto Reddit for one of 
>> the service's Ask Me Anything (AMA) sessions. Here are the five most 
>> intriguing things they said.
>> 
>> The Office for iPad team and Office for Mac team are one and the same
>> 
>> Not a big surprise, but the folks who built the Office for iPad apps are the 
>> same ones who are working on Office for Mac. And it's a pretty Mac-centric 
>> group, too; According to the team, "everyone has an iPad, and the Mac:PC 
>> ratio is 16:1." Don't expect them to reveal when the next version of Office 
>> might make its way to the Mac, however; when asked, the group would only say 
>> "we are working on the next version."
>> 
>> Office for iPad was built from the ground up, and shares code with OS X
>> 
>> One of the nicest things about the new Office apps is that they feel fluid 
>> and comfortable on the iPad, and the back-end code is part of the reason for 
>> that: According to one of the Word developers, the team "started with the 
>> Mac Office code base, and ported it from [the older OS X Carbon 
>> infrastructure] to Cocoa/UIKit." In fact, building the iPad versions of the 
>> Office apps is actually helping the team rebuild Office for Mac: When it 
>> arrives, the OS X suite should be fully built in the modern Cocoa 
>> infrastructure--resulting in faster and more responsive versions of Word, 
>> Excel, and PowerPoint.
>> 
>> Ballmer approved Office for iPad
>> 
>> While the Office for iPad team didn't comment directly about the app suite's 
>> rumored shelving/delays over the years, the team's technical product manager 
>> did let slip that it was Ballmer who approved Office for iPad's release, not 
>> new CEO Satya Nadella.
>> 
>> Hate all you want on Clippy, but Max was pretty cool
>> 
>> 
>> Max = so much cooler than Clippy.
>> 
>> There were plenty of comments in the AMA both praising and insulting 
>> Office's oldmascot/3D-assistant Clippy, but one of the Office for iPad 
>> team's Word developers pointed out an important detail in that debate: 
>> Clippy wasn't actually called Clippy on the Mac--he was Max. "Max was an 
>> icon of a Mac SE, and, when he got bored, he'd turn himself into a Rubik's 
>> Cube. In typical Mac fashion, Clippy was lame. Max was cool."
>> 
>> Macworld has a hidden presence in the Microsoft's Silicon Valley offices
>> 
>> Microsoft iPad for Office team
>> When asked about "cool vintage Apple products" hidden in the Office for iPad 
>> team's offices, Derek Johnson pointed out that there are quite a few 
>> Macworld Eddys and MacUser awards hanging out in Silicon Valley above a bar 
>> made entirely of Office for Mac boxes. Also, a G4 cubequarium (which is 
>> sadly not Macworld-related, but pretty cool all the same).
>> 
>> 
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Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-16 Thread Deb Lewis
Well the biggest reason I would buy it in a heart beat is that all the
formatting would be once again compatible with that of my co workers.
Believe me, it never is from Pages and my co workers tell me that even
the current Mac Office is not really compatible. So it'sin everyone's
interest for this to work better including accessibility of course.

On 4/16/14, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> For me there would be good reasons to by office if it becomes accessible. As
> I experience it headings on different levels works better, I can not figure
> out this in pages. I have never ever got it to work quick and easy to make a
> document with table of content, and I really say quick and easy, I will not
> spend a lot of time on such a task. Now I have in fact found a way to do
> that, that is quick and easy, I think I will tell about it some day in the
> future, but pages were not helpfull for that task.
>
> Best regards Annie.
> Den 16/04/2014 kl. 17.23 skrev Devin Prater :
>
>> Why buy office when Pages is free?
>>
>> Devin Prater
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>>
>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:24, Nicholas Parsons
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> The below article mentions that the up-coming Office for Mac has been
>>> rebuilt in Cocoa, the Mac's native programming language, so there's a
>>> good chance it will have taken advantage of all Apple's built-in
>>> accessibility. Here's hoping.
>>>
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2141101/five-interesting-tidbits-from-the-office-for-ipad-ama.html#tk.rss_all
>>>
>>> Microsoft does Reddit: Five cool things we learned about Office for iPad
>>>
>>>
>>> Apps
>>> Don't look now, but the Office for iPad team ventured onto Reddit for one
>>> of the service's Ask Me Anything (AMA) sessions. Here are the five most
>>> intriguing things they said.
>>>
>>> The Office for iPad team and Office for Mac team are one and the same
>>>
>>> Not a big surprise, but the folks who built the Office for iPad apps are
>>> the same ones who are working on Office for Mac. And it's a pretty
>>> Mac-centric group, too; According to the team, "everyone has an iPad, and
>>> the Mac:PC ratio is 16:1." Don't expect them to reveal when the next
>>> version of Office might make its way to the Mac, however; when asked, the
>>> group would only say "we are working on the next version."
>>>
>>> Office for iPad was built from the ground up, and shares code with OS X
>>>
>>> One of the nicest things about the new Office apps is that they feel
>>> fluid and comfortable on the iPad, and the back-end code is part of the
>>> reason for that: According to one of the Word developers, the team
>>> "started with the Mac Office code base, and ported it from [the older OS
>>> X Carbon infrastructure] to Cocoa/UIKit." In fact, building the iPad
>>> versions of the Office apps is actually helping the team rebuild Office
>>> for Mac: When it arrives, the OS X suite should be fully built in the
>>> modern Cocoa infrastructure--resulting in faster and more responsive
>>> versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.
>>>
>>> Ballmer approved Office for iPad
>>>
>>> While the Office for iPad team didn't comment directly about the app
>>> suite's rumored shelving/delays over the years, the team's technical
>>> product manager did let slip that it was Ballmer who approved Office for
>>> iPad's release, not new CEO Satya Nadella.
>>>
>>> Hate all you want on Clippy, but Max was pretty cool
>>>
>>>
>>> Max = so much cooler than Clippy.
>>>
>>> There were plenty of comments in the AMA both praising and insulting
>>> Office's oldmascot/3D-assistant Clippy, but one of the Office for iPad
>>> team's Word developers pointed out an important detail in that debate:
>>> Clippy wasn't actually called Clippy on the Mac--he was Max. "Max was an
>>> icon of a Mac SE, and, when he got bored, he'd turn himself into a
>>> Rubik's Cube. In typical Mac fashion, Clippy was lame. Max was cool."
>>>
>>> Macworld has a hidden presence in the Microsoft's Silicon Valley offices
>>>
>>> Microsoft iPad for Office team
>>> When asked about "cool vintage Apple products" hidden in the Office for
>>> iPad team's offices, Derek Johnson pointed out that there are quite a few
>>> Macworld Eddys and MacUser awards hanging out in Silicon Valley above a
>>> bar made entirely of Office for Mac boxes. Also, a G4 cubequarium (which
>>> is sadly not Macworld-related, but pretty cool all the same).
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-16 Thread Buddy Brannan
If your word processing needs don't extend to needing 100% Office 
compatibility, Pages is probably fine. If, however, you need to ensure that 
your .docx files retain all formatting, fonts, etc., you'd probably be more 
likely to have that in Office. Ever see those warnings in Pages that some 
feature or another isn't supported?

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On Apr 16, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Why buy office when Pages is free? 
> 
> Devin Prater
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> iMessage, facebook, and face-time: devinpra...@live.com
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> 
> On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:24, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> The below article mentions that the up-coming Office for Mac has been 
>> rebuilt in Cocoa, the Mac's native programming language, so there's a good 
>> chance it will have taken advantage of all Apple's built-in accessibility. 
>> Here's hoping.
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2141101/five-interesting-tidbits-from-the-office-for-ipad-ama.html#tk.rss_all
>> 
>> Microsoft does Reddit: Five cool things we learned about Office for iPad
>> 
>> 
>> Apps
>> Don't look now, but the Office for iPad team ventured onto Reddit for one of 
>> the service's Ask Me Anything (AMA) sessions. Here are the five most 
>> intriguing things they said.
>> 
>> The Office for iPad team and Office for Mac team are one and the same
>> 
>> Not a big surprise, but the folks who built the Office for iPad apps are the 
>> same ones who are working on Office for Mac. And it's a pretty Mac-centric 
>> group, too; According to the team, "everyone has an iPad, and the Mac:PC 
>> ratio is 16:1." Don't expect them to reveal when the next version of Office 
>> might make its way to the Mac, however; when asked, the group would only say 
>> "we are working on the next version."
>> 
>> Office for iPad was built from the ground up, and shares code with OS X
>> 
>> One of the nicest things about the new Office apps is that they feel fluid 
>> and comfortable on the iPad, and the back-end code is part of the reason for 
>> that: According to one of the Word developers, the team "started with the 
>> Mac Office code base, and ported it from [the older OS X Carbon 
>> infrastructure] to Cocoa/UIKit." In fact, building the iPad versions of the 
>> Office apps is actually helping the team rebuild Office for Mac: When it 
>> arrives, the OS X suite should be fully built in the modern Cocoa 
>> infrastructure--resulting in faster and more responsive versions of Word, 
>> Excel, and PowerPoint.
>> 
>> Ballmer approved Office for iPad
>> 
>> While the Office for iPad team didn't comment directly about the app suite's 
>> rumored shelving/delays over the years, the team's technical product manager 
>> did let slipthat it was Ballmer who approved Office for iPad's release, not 
>> new CEO Satya Nadella.
>> 
>> Hate all you want on Clippy, but Max was pretty cool
>> 
>> 
>> Max = so much cooler than Clippy.
>> 
>> There were plenty of comments in the AMA both praising and insulting 
>> Office's old mascot/3D-assistant Clippy, but one of the Office for iPad 
>> team's Word developers pointed out an important detail in that debate: 
>> Clippy wasn't actually called Clippy on the Mac--he was Max. "Max was an 
>> icon of a Mac SE, and, when he got bored, he'd turn himself into a Rubik's 
>> Cube. In typical Mac fashion, Clippy was lame. Max was cool."
>> 
>> Macworld has a hidden presence in the Microsoft's Silicon Valley offices
>> 
>> Microsoft iPad for Office team
>> When asked about "cool vintage Apple products" hidden in the Office for iPad 
>> team's offices, Derek Johnson pointed out that there are quite a few 
>> Macworld Eddys and MacUser awards hanging out in Silicon Valley above a bar 
>> made entirely of Office for Mac boxes. Also, a G4 cubequarium (which is 
>> sadly not Macworld-related, but pretty cool all the same).
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-16 Thread Kerri
Because apparently, things that can be done in Office cannot be done in Pages?
On Apr 16, 2014, at 8:23 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Why buy office when Pages is free? 
> 
> Devin Prater
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> On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:24, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> The below article mentions that the up-coming Office for Mac has been 
>> rebuilt in Cocoa, the Mac's native programming language, so there's a good 
>> chance it will have taken advantage of all Apple's built-in accessibility. 
>> Here's hoping.
>> 
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2141101/five-interesting-tidbits-from-the-office-for-ipad-ama.html#tk.rss_all
>> 
>> Microsoft does Reddit: Five cool things we learned about Office for iPad
>> 
>> 
>> Apps
>> Don't look now, but the Office for iPad team ventured onto Reddit for one of 
>> the service's Ask Me Anything (AMA) sessions. Here are the five most 
>> intriguing things they said.
>> 
>> The Office for iPad team and Office for Mac team are one and the same
>> 
>> Not a big surprise, but the folks who built the Office for iPad apps are the 
>> same ones who are working on Office for Mac. And it's a pretty Mac-centric 
>> group, too; According to the team, "everyone has an iPad, and the Mac:PC 
>> ratio is 16:1." Don't expect them to reveal when the next version of Office 
>> might make its way to the Mac, however; when asked, the group would only say 
>> "we are working on the next version."
>> 
>> Office for iPad was built from the ground up, and shares code with OS X
>> 
>> One of the nicest things about the new Office apps is that they feel fluid 
>> and comfortable on the iPad, and the back-end code is part of the reason for 
>> that: According to one of the Word developers, the team "started with the 
>> Mac Office code base, and ported it from [the older OS X Carbon 
>> infrastructure] to Cocoa/UIKit." In fact, building the iPad versions of the 
>> Office apps is actually helping the team rebuild Office for Mac: When it 
>> arrives, the OS X suite should be fully built in the modern Cocoa 
>> infrastructure--resulting in faster and more responsive versions of Word, 
>> Excel, and PowerPoint.
>> 
>> Ballmer approved Office for iPad
>> 
>> While the Office for iPad team didn't comment directly about the app suite's 
>> rumored shelving/delays over the years, the team's technical product manager 
>> did let slip that it was Ballmer who approved Office for iPad's release, not 
>> new CEO Satya Nadella.
>> 
>> Hate all you want on Clippy, but Max was pretty cool
>> 
>> 
>> Max = so much cooler than Clippy.
>> 
>> There were plenty of comments in the AMA both praising and insulting 
>> Office's oldmascot/3D-assistant Clippy, but one of the Office for iPad 
>> team's Word developers pointed out an important detail in that debate: 
>> Clippy wasn't actually called Clippy on the Mac--he was Max. "Max was an 
>> icon of a Mac SE, and, when he got bored, he'd turn himself into a Rubik's 
>> Cube. In typical Mac fashion, Clippy was lame. Max was cool."
>> 
>> Macworld has a hidden presence in the Microsoft's Silicon Valley offices
>> 
>> Microsoft iPad for Office team
>> When asked about "cool vintage Apple products" hidden in the Office for iPad 
>> team's offices, Derek Johnson pointed out that there are quite a few 
>> Macworld Eddys and MacUser awards hanging out in Silicon Valley above a bar 
>> made entirely of Office for Mac boxes. Also, a G4 cubequarium (which is 
>> sadly not Macworld-related, but pretty cool all the same).
>> 
>> 
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Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-16 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
You will never need to put windows on your Mac again if office comes to be 
accessible! I would certainly buy it for that reason.

> On 16 Apr 2014, at 04:52 pm, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Well the biggest reason I would buy it in a heart beat is that all the
> formatting would be once again compatible with that of my co workers.
> Believe me, it never is from Pages and my co workers tell me that even
> the current Mac Office is not really compatible. So it'sin everyone's
> interest for this to work better including accessibility of course.
> 
>> On 4/16/14, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:
>> Hi.
>> 
>> For me there would be good reasons to by office if it becomes accessible. As
>> I experience it headings on different levels works better, I can not figure
>> out this in pages. I have never ever got it to work quick and easy to make a
>> document with table of content, and I really say quick and easy, I will not
>> spend a lot of time on such a task. Now I have in fact found a way to do
>> that, that is quick and easy, I think I will tell about it some day in the
>> future, but pages were not helpfull for that task.
>> 
>> Best regards Annie.
>>> Den 16/04/2014 kl. 17.23 skrev Devin Prater :
>>> 
>>> Why buy office when Pages is free?
>>> 
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Sent from my iPod 5.
>>> iMessage, facebook, and face-time: devinpra...@live.com
>>> email: d.pra...@me.com
>>> Google Talk/keychat: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:24, Nicholas Parsons
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 The below article mentions that the up-coming Office for Mac has been
 rebuilt in Cocoa, the Mac's native programming language, so there's a
 good chance it will have taken advantage of all Apple's built-in
 accessibility. Here's hoping.
 
 http://www.macworld.com/article/2141101/five-interesting-tidbits-from-the-office-for-ipad-ama.html#tk.rss_all
 
 Microsoft does Reddit: Five cool things we learned about Office for iPad
 
 
 Apps
 Don't look now, but the Office for iPad team ventured onto Reddit for one
 of the service's Ask Me Anything (AMA) sessions. Here are the five most
 intriguing things they said.
 
 The Office for iPad team and Office for Mac team are one and the same
 
 Not a big surprise, but the folks who built the Office for iPad apps are
 the same ones who are working on Office for Mac. And it's a pretty
 Mac-centric group, too; According to the team, "everyone has an iPad, and
 the Mac:PC ratio is 16:1." Don't expect them to reveal when the next
 version of Office might make its way to the Mac, however; when asked, the
 group would only say "we are working on the next version."
 
 Office for iPad was built from the ground up, and shares code with OS X
 
 One of the nicest things about the new Office apps is that they feel
 fluid and comfortable on the iPad, and the back-end code is part of the
 reason for that: According to one of the Word developers, the team
 "started with the Mac Office code base, and ported it from [the older OS
 X Carbon infrastructure] to Cocoa/UIKit." In fact, building the iPad
 versions of the Office apps is actually helping the team rebuild Office
 for Mac: When it arrives, the OS X suite should be fully built in the
 modern Cocoa infrastructure--resulting in faster and more responsive
 versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.
 
 Ballmer approved Office for iPad
 
 While the Office for iPad team didn't comment directly about the app
 suite's rumored shelving/delays over the years, the team's technical
 product manager did let slip that it was Ballmer who approved Office for
 iPad's release, not new CEO Satya Nadella.
 
 Hate all you want on Clippy, but Max was pretty cool
 
 
 Max = so much cooler than Clippy.
 
 There were plenty of comments in the AMA both praising and insulting
 Office's oldmascot/3D-assistant Clippy, but one of the Office for iPad
 team's Word developers pointed out an important detail in that debate:
 Clippy wasn't actually called Clippy on the Mac--he was Max. "Max was an
 icon of a Mac SE, and, when he got bored, he'd turn himself into a
 Rubik's Cube. In typical Mac fashion, Clippy was lame. Max was cool."
 
 Macworld has a hidden presence in the Microsoft's Silicon Valley offices
 
 Microsoft iPad for Office team
 When asked about "cool vintage Apple products" hidden in the Office for
 iPad team's offices, Derek Johnson pointed out that there are quite a few
 Macworld Eddys and MacUser awards hanging out in Silicon Valley above a
 bar made entirely of Office for Mac boxes. Also, a G4 cubequarium (which
 is sadly not Macworld-related, but pretty cool all the same).
 
 
 
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Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-16 Thread David Taylor
There are many, many, reasons why you might want to put Windows on your Mac 
still, even if Office becomes fully accessible. If they do it right, Office 
could be best of all on Mac, but there are plenty of things you still can't do, 
and might want to. Teamtalk is easier in Windows, many games don't work on Mac, 
etc, etc. Office being accessible would remove one of the most oft given 
reasons for not switching though.

Cheers
Dave

On 16 Apr 2014, at 19:12, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> You will never need to put windows on your Mac again if office comes to be 
> accessible! I would certainly buy it for that reason.
> 
>> On 16 Apr 2014, at 04:52 pm, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Well the biggest reason I would buy it in a heart beat is that all the
>> formatting would be once again compatible with that of my co workers.
>> Believe me, it never is from Pages and my co workers tell me that even
>> the current Mac Office is not really compatible. So it'sin everyone's
>> interest for this to work better including accessibility of course.
>> 
>>> On 4/16/14, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> For me there would be good reasons to by office if it becomes accessible. As
>>> I experience it headings on different levels works better, I can not figure
>>> out this in pages. I have never ever got it to work quick and easy to make a
>>> document with table of content, and I really say quick and easy, I will not
>>> spend a lot of time on such a task. Now I have in fact found a way to do
>>> that, that is quick and easy, I think I will tell about it some day in the
>>> future, but pages were not helpfull for that task.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
 Den 16/04/2014 kl. 17.23 skrev Devin Prater :
 
 Why buy office when Pages is free?
 
 Devin Prater
 Sent from my iPod 5.
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 On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:24, Nicholas Parsons
  wrote:
 
> The below article mentions that the up-coming Office for Mac has been
> rebuilt in Cocoa, the Mac's native programming language, so there's a
> good chance it will have taken advantage of all Apple's built-in
> accessibility. Here's hoping.
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2141101/five-interesting-tidbits-from-the-office-for-ipad-ama.html#tk.rss_all
> 
> Microsoft does Reddit: Five cool things we learned about Office for iPad
> 
> 
> Apps
> Don't look now, but the Office for iPad team ventured onto Reddit for one
> of the service's Ask Me Anything (AMA) sessions. Here are the five most
> intriguing things they said.
> 
> The Office for iPad team and Office for Mac team are one and the same
> 
> Not a big surprise, but the folks who built the Office for iPad apps are
> the same ones who are working on Office for Mac. And it's a pretty
> Mac-centric group, too; According to the team, "everyone has an iPad, and
> the Mac:PC ratio is 16:1." Don't expect them to reveal when the next
> version of Office might make its way to the Mac, however; when asked, the
> group would only say "we are working on the next version."
> 
> Office for iPad was built from the ground up, and shares code with OS X
> 
> One of the nicest things about the new Office apps is that they feel
> fluid and comfortable on the iPad, and the back-end code is part of the
> reason for that: According to one of the Word developers, the team
> "started with the Mac Office code base, and ported it from [the older OS
> X Carbon infrastructure] to Cocoa/UIKit." In fact, building the iPad
> versions of the Office apps is actually helping the team rebuild Office
> for Mac: When it arrives, the OS X suite should be fully built in the
> modern Cocoa infrastructure--resulting in faster and more responsive
> versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.
> 
> Ballmer approved Office for iPad
> 
> While the Office for iPad team didn't comment directly about the app
> suite's rumored shelving/delays over the years, the team's technical
> product manager did let slip that it was Ballmer who approved Office for
> iPad's release, not new CEO Satya Nadella.
> 
> Hate all you want on Clippy, but Max was pretty cool
> 
> 
> Max = so much cooler than Clippy.
> 
> There were plenty of comments in the AMA both praising and insulting
> Office's oldmascot/3D-assistant Clippy, but one of the Office for iPad
> team's Word developers pointed out an important detail in that debate:
> Clippy wasn't actually called Clippy on the Mac--he was Max. "Max was an
> icon of a Mac SE, and, when he got bored, he'd turn himself into a
> Rubik's Cube. In typical Mac fashion, Clippy was lame. Max was cool."
> 
> Macworld has a hidden presence in the Microsoft's Silicon Valley offi

Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-16 Thread Kerri
You still might if you want certain games and team talk not to mention human 
ware companion for running older victor reader streams.

On Apr 16, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> You will never need to put windows on your Mac again if office comes to be 
> accessible! I would certainly buy it for that reason.
> 
>> On 16 Apr 2014, at 04:52 pm, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Well the biggest reason I would buy it in a heart beat is that all the
>> formatting would be once again compatible with that of my co workers.
>> Believe me, it never is from Pages and my co workers tell me that even
>> the current Mac Office is not really compatible. So it'sin everyone's
>> interest for this to work better including accessibility of course.
>> 
>>> On 4/16/14, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> For me there would be good reasons to by office if it becomes accessible. As
>>> I experience it headings on different levels works better, I can not figure
>>> out this in pages. I have never ever got it to work quick and easy to make a
>>> document with table of content, and I really say quick and easy, I will not
>>> spend a lot of time on such a task. Now I have in fact found a way to do
>>> that, that is quick and easy, I think I will tell about it some day in the
>>> future, but pages were not helpfull for that task.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
 Den 16/04/2014 kl. 17.23 skrev Devin Prater :
 
 Why buy office when Pages is free?
 
 Devin Prater
 Sent from my iPod 5.
 iMessage, facebook, and face-time: devinpra...@live.com
 email: d.pra...@me.com
 Google Talk/keychat: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 
 On Apr 15, 2014, at 21:24, Nicholas Parsons
  wrote:
 
> The below article mentions that the up-coming Office for Mac has been
> rebuilt in Cocoa, the Mac's native programming language, so there's a
> good chance it will have taken advantage of all Apple's built-in
> accessibility. Here's hoping.
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2141101/five-interesting-tidbits-from-the-office-for-ipad-ama.html#tk.rss_all
> 
> Microsoft does Reddit: Five cool things we learned about Office for iPad
> 
> 
> Apps
> Don't look now, but the Office for iPad team ventured onto Reddit for one
> of the service's Ask Me Anything (AMA) sessions. Here are the five most
> intriguing things they said.
> 
> The Office for iPad team and Office for Mac team are one and the same
> 
> Not a big surprise, but the folks who built the Office for iPad apps are
> the same ones who are working on Office for Mac. And it's a pretty
> Mac-centric group, too; According to the team, "everyone has an iPad, and
> the Mac:PC ratio is 16:1." Don't expect them to reveal when the next
> version of Office might make its way to the Mac, however; when asked, the
> group would only say "we are working on the next version."
> 
> Office for iPad was built from the ground up, and shares code with OS X
> 
> One of the nicest things about the new Office apps is that they feel
> fluid and comfortable on the iPad, and the back-end code is part of the
> reason for that: According to one of the Word developers, the team
> "started with the Mac Office code base, and ported it from [the older OS
> X Carbon infrastructure] to Cocoa/UIKit." In fact, building the iPad
> versions of the Office apps is actually helping the team rebuild Office
> for Mac: When it arrives, the OS X suite should be fully built in the
> modern Cocoa infrastructure--resulting in faster and more responsive
> versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint.
> 
> Ballmer approved Office for iPad
> 
> While the Office for iPad team didn't comment directly about the app
> suite's rumored shelving/delays over the years, the team's technical
> product manager did let slip that it was Ballmer who approved Office for
> iPad's release, not new CEO Satya Nadella.
> 
> Hate all you want on Clippy, but Max was pretty cool
> 
> 
> Max = so much cooler than Clippy.
> 
> There were plenty of comments in the AMA both praising and insulting
> Office's oldmascot/3D-assistant Clippy, but one of the Office for iPad
> team's Word developers pointed out an important detail in that debate:
> Clippy wasn't actually called Clippy on the Mac--he was Max. "Max was an
> icon of a Mac SE, and, when he got bored, he'd turn himself into a
> Rubik's Cube. In typical Mac fashion, Clippy was lame. Max was cool."
> 
> Macworld has a hidden presence in the Microsoft's Silicon Valley offices
> 
> Microsoft iPad for Office team
> When asked about "cool vintage Apple products" hidden in the Office for
> iPad team's offices, Derek Johnson pointed out that there are quite a few
> Macworld Eddys and MacUser awards hanging out in Silicon Valley above a
> bar made 

Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-16 Thread Chris Apple boy

There is a Teamtalk for Mac Os X but have no idea of its accessibility.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/04/2014 22:30, Kerri wrote:

You still might if you want certain games and team talk not to mention human 
ware companion for running older victor reader streams.


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Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-17 Thread David Taylor
TeamTalk for Mac is mainly usable, but hardly accessible. You really have to 
know what you are doing, but most things can be done. Many of these things are 
extremely fiddly and slow to do due to the lack of accessibility, but if you 
know your way round a server, a lot can be done. If you are an admin, or can't 
be bothered with a lot of fiddling, then you need the Windows TeamTalk to be 
honest. I've had many hours of fun with the Mac one though.

On 17 Apr 2014, at 07:20, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> There is a Teamtalk for Mac Os X but have no idea of its accessibility.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
> On 16/04/2014 22:30, Kerri wrote:
>> You still might if you want certain games and team talk not to mention human 
>> ware companion for running older victor reader streams.
> 
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Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-17 Thread Piotr Machacz
It's clunky, and got slightly worse with the 4.6 update which breaks keyboard 
tracking. But the good news is that soon there will be a completely new client, 
called TeamTalk VI that a friend of mine is working on. We got permission from 
the developer to write it and it will be using his SDK license and will be 
available on the official bear ware site. Apart from the interface using native 
controls, it will have more speech events, a few more chat commands to EG. 
switch audio devices, and it might even be scriptable so you will be able to 
write lua scripts that you can run. It will come out on Windows as well. Work 
is progressing nicely, for now the basic interface is done and the SDK has been 
completely wrapped, so work on the actual program is starting. You can view the 
source here:
https://github.com/Flameborn/TeamTalkVI


On 17 Apr 2014, at 09:49 am, David Taylor  wrote:

> TeamTalk for Mac is mainly usable, but hardly accessible. You really have to 
> know what you are doing, but most things can be done. Many of these things 
> are extremely fiddly and slow to do due to the lack of accessibility, but if 
> you know your way round a server, a lot can be done. If you are an admin, or 
> can't be bothered with a lot of fiddling, then you need the Windows TeamTalk 
> to be honest. I've had many hours of fun with the Mac one though.
> 
> On 17 Apr 2014, at 07:20, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
> 
>> There is a Teamtalk for Mac Os X but have no idea of its accessibility.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>> On 16/04/2014 22:30, Kerri wrote:
>>> You still might if you want certain games and team talk not to mention 
>>> human ware companion for running older victor reader streams.
>> 
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Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-17 Thread Blake Sinnett

Hi,

This is fantastic! Will it include the video functionality? There's also an 
Android client, but it's very alpha right now. I'm hoping for all mobile 
platforms to be supported at some point.


Blake


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Mac


It's clunky, and got slightly worse with the 4.6 update which breaks 
keyboard tracking. But the good news is that soon there will be a 
completely new client, called TeamTalk VI that a friend of mine is working 
on. We got permission from the developer to write it and it will be using 
his SDK license and will be available on the official bear ware site. 
Apart from the interface using native controls, it will have more speech 
events, a few more chat commands to EG. switch audio devices, and it might 
even be scriptable so you will be able to write lua scripts that you can 
run. It will come out on Windows as well. Work is progressing nicely, for 
now the basic interface is done and the SDK has been completely wrapped, 
so work on the actual program is starting. You can view the source here:

https://github.com/Flameborn/TeamTalkVI


On 17 Apr 2014, at 09:49 am, David Taylor  
wrote:


TeamTalk for Mac is mainly usable, but hardly accessible. You really have 
to know what you are doing, but most things can be done. Many of these 
things are extremely fiddly and slow to do due to the lack of 
accessibility, but if you know your way round a server, a lot can be 
done. If you are an admin, or can't be bothered with a lot of fiddling, 
then you need the Windows TeamTalk to be honest. I've had many hours of 
fun with the Mac one though.


On 17 Apr 2014, at 07:20, Chris Apple boy  
wrote:



There is a Teamtalk for Mac Os X but have no idea of its accessibility.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 16/04/2014 22:30, Kerri wrote:
You still might if you want certain games and team talk not to mention 
human ware companion for running older victor reader streams.


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Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for Mac

2014-04-17 Thread Piotr Machacz
Not at first, voice will be a bit bigger priority, but it's not out of the 
question. Once the most important things work, we can see about video.

On 17 Apr 2014, at 12:06 pm, Blake Sinnett  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This is fantastic! Will it include the video functionality? There's also an 
> Android client, but it's very alpha right now. I'm hoping for all mobile 
> platforms to be supported at some point.
> 
> Blake
> 
> 
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> From: "Piotr Machacz" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:05 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Teamtalk was Re: Good Prospects for Accessibility in Office for 
> Mac
> 
>> It's clunky, and got slightly worse with the 4.6 update which breaks 
>> keyboard tracking. But the good news is that soon there will be a completely 
>> new client, called TeamTalk VI that a friend of mine is working on. We got 
>> permission from the developer to write it and it will be using his SDK 
>> license and will be available on the official bear ware site. Apart from the 
>> interface using native controls, it will have more speech events, a few more 
>> chat commands to EG. switch audio devices, and it might even be scriptable 
>> so you will be able to write lua scripts that you can run. It will come out 
>> on Windows as well. Work is progressing nicely, for now the basic interface 
>> is done and the SDK has been completely wrapped, so work on the actual 
>> program is starting. You can view the source here:
>> https://github.com/Flameborn/TeamTalkVI
>> 
>> 
>> On 17 Apr 2014, at 09:49 am, David Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>>> TeamTalk for Mac is mainly usable, but hardly accessible. You really have 
>>> to know what you are doing, but most things can be done. Many of these 
>>> things are extremely fiddly and slow to do due to the lack of 
>>> accessibility, but if you know your way round a server, a lot can be done. 
>>> If you are an admin, or can't be bothered with a lot of fiddling, then you 
>>> need the Windows TeamTalk to be honest. I've had many hours of fun with the 
>>> Mac one though.
>>> 
>>> On 17 Apr 2014, at 07:20, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> There is a Teamtalk for Mac Os X but have no idea of its accessibility.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards Chris
>>>> 
>>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>>> 
>>>> On 16/04/2014 22:30, Kerri wrote:
>>>>> You still might if you want certain games and team talk not to mention 
>>>>> human ware companion for running older victor reader streams.
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