Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

2022-02-06 Thread Muhammad Fayed 
What I face exactly is that it is toggled off when you shutdown your Mac.

Note the following sequence:
1. Turn on VoiceOver in Accessibility options in login menu
2. Restart your Mac
3. You will notice that Voiceover is turned on
4. Reopen Accessibility options in login settings and you may notice that 
Voiceover is not checked.
5. Restart your Mac again, and you won’t hear Voiceover since it is turned off.

That occurs with me since Mac OS 12.1 (I didn’t install Mac OS 12.0)

Hope it helps,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

> On 6 Feb 2022, at 7:33 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jason and Jonathan,
> Okay, I did not interact with the Users Table. It’s working fine now. I am on 
> the phone with Apple Accessibility Support as I write this. He is also 
> concerned that the setting is not sticking, so he’s discussing with his 
> engineering colleagues as I wait. Thanks for the assist, I will definitely 
> save these e-mails in case I need to do this again.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:42 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It’s under Users and Groups, then interact with the table of categories, 
>> choose Login Options, and press the Accessibility Options button. There is a 
>> list of accessibility features, including VoiceOver, with a check box next 
>> to each one.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > > on behalf of Fazil M. 
>> mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>>
>> Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 23:16
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > >
>> Subject: RE: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
>> 
>> Nor did I!
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > > On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2022 3:59 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
>>  
>> Hi Jason,
>>  
>> Well, I looked in the login options area and I cannot locate anything to 
>> talk about enabling voiceover there. I saw something in VO utilities where 
>> voiceover was unable to that’s checked, but I don’t see anything in the 
>> login and option screen.
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jason,
>>  
>> That might be the step I missed this time. I’m sure we did that the first 
>> time it happened. I will definitely check that out. Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Les
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Did you enable VoiceOver at startup under login preferences?
>>  
>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > > on behalf of Les Kriegler 
>> mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>>
>> Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 17:16
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > >
>> Subject: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have run into a problem for the second time this week. What is happening 
>> is it when I start up my Mac, VoiceOver does not come on at the logon prop 
>> for my password. I fixed it earlier this week when I called Apple 
>> accessibility, but I cannot recall the exact steps to take care of this 
>> again. Also, I don’t know why the setting isn’t holding. Essentially, I 
>> wanted to users and accounts and unlock the settings so that I could make 
>> changes. I went in the system preferences shows accessibility and check the 
>> box it said to display the welcome message while VoiceOver starts. But it’s 
>> not holding and obviously also not working. Can anybody advise me what I 
>> need to do? Thanks advance.
>> Best regards,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

2022-02-06 Thread Les Kriegler 
Hi Jason and Jonathan,
Okay, I did not interact with the Users Table. It’s working fine now. I am on 
the phone with Apple Accessibility Support as I write this. He is also 
concerned that the setting is not sticking, so he’s discussing with his 
engineering colleagues as I wait. Thanks for the assist, I will definitely save 
these e-mails in case I need to do this again.
Best,

Les

> On Feb 6, 2022, at 7:42 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s under Users and Groups, then interact with the table of categories, 
> choose Login Options, and press the Accessibility Options button. There is a 
> list of accessibility features, including VoiceOver, with a check box next to 
> each one.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > on behalf of Fazil M. 
> mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>>
> Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 23:16
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  >
> Subject: RE: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
> 
> Nor did I!
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2022 3:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
>  
> Hi Jason,
>  
> Well, I looked in the login options area and I cannot locate anything to talk 
> about enabling voiceover there. I saw something in VO utilities where 
> voiceover was unable to that’s checked, but I don’t see anything in the login 
> and option screen.
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Jason,
>  
> That might be the step I missed this time. I’m sure we did that the first 
> time it happened. I will definitely check that out. Thank you.
> Best,
> Les
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Did you enable VoiceOver at startup under login preferences?
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > on behalf of Les Kriegler 
> mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 17:16
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  >
> Subject: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have run into a problem for the second time this week. What is happening is 
> it when I start up my Mac, VoiceOver does not come on at the logon prop for 
> my password. I fixed it earlier this week when I called Apple accessibility, 
> but I cannot recall the exact steps to take care of this again. Also, I don’t 
> know why the setting isn’t holding. Essentially, I wanted to users and 
> accounts and unlock the settings so that I could make changes. I went in the 
> system preferences shows accessibility and check the box it said to display 
> the welcome message while VoiceOver starts. But it’s not holding and 
> obviously also not working. Can anybody advise me what I need to do? Thanks 
> advance.
> Best regards,
> Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

2022-02-06 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
It’s under Users and Groups, then interact with the table of categories, choose 
Login Options, and press the Accessibility Options button. There is a list of 
accessibility features, including VoiceOver, with a check box next to each one.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Fazil M. 
Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 23:16
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
Nor did I!

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2022 3:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

Hi Jason,

Well, I looked in the login options area and I cannot locate anything to talk 
about enabling voiceover there. I saw something in VO utilities where voiceover 
was unable to that’s checked, but I don’t see anything in the login and option 
screen.

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Les Kriegler 
mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Jason,

That might be the step I missed this time. I’m sure we did that the first time 
it happened. I will definitely check that out. Thank you.
Best,
Les

Sent from my iPhone



On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Did you enable VoiceOver at startup under login preferences?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on 
behalf of Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>>
Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 17:16
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
Hi all,

I have run into a problem for the second time this week. What is happening is 
it when I start up my Mac, VoiceOver does not come on at the logon prop for my 
password. I fixed it earlier this week when I called Apple accessibility, but I 
cannot recall the exact steps to take care of this again. Also, I don’t know 
why the setting isn’t holding. Essentially, I wanted to users and accounts and 
unlock the settings so that I could make changes. I went in the system 
preferences shows accessibility and check the box it said to display the 
welcome message while VoiceOver starts. But it’s not holding and obviously also 
not working. Can anybody advise me what I need to do? Thanks advance.
Best regards,
Les

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

2022-02-05 Thread Fazil M. 
Nor did I!

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2022 3:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

 

Hi Jason,

 

Well, I looked in the login options area and I cannot locate anything to talk 
about enabling voiceover there. I saw something in VO utilities where voiceover 
was unable to that’s checked, but I don’t see anything in the login and option 
screen.

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi Jason,

 

That might be the step I missed this time. I’m sure we did that the first time 
it happened. I will definitely check that out. Thank you.

Best,

Les

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Did you enable VoiceOver at startup under login preferences?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > on 
behalf of Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> >
Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 17:16
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

Hi all,

I have run into a problem for the second time this week. What is happening is 
it when I start up my Mac, VoiceOver does not come on at the logon prop for my 
password. I fixed it earlier this week when I called Apple accessibility, but I 
cannot recall the exact steps to take care of this again. Also, I don’t know 
why the setting isn’t holding. Essentially, I wanted to users and accounts and 
unlock the settings so that I could make changes. I went in the system 
preferences shows accessibility and check the box it said to display the 
welcome message while VoiceOver starts. But it’s not holding and obviously also 
not working. Can anybody advise me what I need to do? Thanks advance.
Best regards,
Les

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

2022-02-05 Thread Les Kriegler 
Hi Jonathan,

Well, I will check again tomorrow when I am able to use the Mac. In the 
meantime, I upgraded to 12.1 a long time ago I didn’t encounter this problem 
until this week. I then upgraded to 12.2 of Monterey and everything was working 
for a couple of days, and then again it stopped working. There must be 
something related to my system that is causing this. Thanks.
Best regards,
Les

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> It seems that the 12.X updates turn off this option.
> To turn it back on.
> 1. Open System Preferences.
> 2. Click on "Users & Groups"
> 3. Click on "Login options"
> 4. Unlock System Preferences by clicking on "Click the lock to make changes" 
> button if necessary." button.
> 5. Click on "Accessibility Options"
> 
> 6. The first checkbox in the table will be VoiceOver, click this if it is 
> unchecked. 
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 5, 2022, at 18:59, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jason,
>> 
>> Well, I looked in the login options area and I cannot locate anything to 
>> talk about enabling voiceover there. I saw something in VO utilities where 
>> voiceover was unable to that’s checked, but I don’t see anything in the 
>> login and option screen.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Hi Jason,
>>> 
>>> That might be the step I missed this time. I’m sure we did that the first 
>>> time it happened. I will definitely check that out. Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
 
 Did you enable VoiceOver at startup under login preferences?
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
 behalf of Les Kriegler 
 Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 17:16
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have run into a problem for the second time this week. What is happening 
 is it when I start up my Mac, VoiceOver does not come on at the logon prop 
 for my password. I fixed it earlier this week when I called Apple 
 accessibility, but I cannot recall the exact steps to take care of this 
 again. Also, I don’t know why the setting isn’t holding. Essentially, I 
 wanted to users and accounts and unlock the settings so that I could make 
 changes. I went in the system preferences shows accessibility and check 
 the box it said to display the welcome message while VoiceOver starts. But 
 it’s not holding and obviously also not working. Can anybody advise me 
 what I need to do? Thanks advance.
 Best regards,
 Les
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

2022-02-05 Thread Jonathan Cohn 
Hello,
It seems that the 12.X updates turn off this option.
To turn it back on.
1. Open System Preferences.
2. Click on "Users & Groups"
3. Click on "Login options"
4. Unlock System Preferences by clicking on "Click the lock to make changes" 
button if necessary." button.
5. Click on "Accessibility Options"

6. The first checkbox in the table will be VoiceOver, click this if it is 
unchecked. 


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 5, 2022, at 18:59, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jason,
> 
> Well, I looked in the login options area and I cannot locate anything to talk 
> about enabling voiceover there. I saw something in VO utilities where 
> voiceover was unable to that’s checked, but I don’t see anything in the login 
> and option screen.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Jason,
>> 
>> That might be the step I missed this time. I’m sure we did that the first 
>> time it happened. I will definitely check that out. Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Did you enable VoiceOver at startup under login preferences?
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
>>> behalf of Les Kriegler 
>>> Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 17:16
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have run into a problem for the second time this week. What is happening 
>>> is it when I start up my Mac, VoiceOver does not come on at the logon prop 
>>> for my password. I fixed it earlier this week when I called Apple 
>>> accessibility, but I cannot recall the exact steps to take care of this 
>>> again. Also, I don’t know why the setting isn’t holding. Essentially, I 
>>> wanted to users and accounts and unlock the settings so that I could make 
>>> changes. I went in the system preferences shows accessibility and check the 
>>> box it said to display the welcome message while VoiceOver starts. But it’s 
>>> not holding and obviously also not working. Can anybody advise me what I 
>>> need to do? Thanks advance.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Les
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

2022-02-05 Thread Les Kriegler 
Hi Jason,

Well, I looked in the login options area and I cannot locate anything to talk 
about enabling voiceover there. I saw something in VO utilities where voiceover 
was unable to that’s checked, but I don’t see anything in the login and option 
screen.

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> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Jason,
> 
> That might be the step I missed this time. I’m sure we did that the first 
> time it happened. I will definitely check that out. Thank you.
> Best,
> Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Did you enable VoiceOver at startup under login preferences?
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of Les Kriegler 
>> Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 17:16
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have run into a problem for the second time this week. What is happening 
>> is it when I start up my Mac, VoiceOver does not come on at the logon prop 
>> for my password. I fixed it earlier this week when I called Apple 
>> accessibility, but I cannot recall the exact steps to take care of this 
>> again. Also, I don’t know why the setting isn’t holding. Essentially, I 
>> wanted to users and accounts and unlock the settings so that I could make 
>> changes. I went in the system preferences shows accessibility and check the 
>> box it said to display the welcome message while VoiceOver starts. But it’s 
>> not holding and obviously also not working. Can anybody advise me what I 
>> need to do? Thanks advance.
>> Best regards,
>> Les
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

2022-02-05 Thread Les Kriegler 
Hi Jason,

That might be the step I missed this time. I’m sure we did that the first time 
it happened. I will definitely check that out. Thank you.
Best,
Les

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> On Feb 5, 2022, at 12:30 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did you enable VoiceOver at startup under login preferences?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Les Kriegler 
> Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 17:16
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have run into a problem for the second time this week. What is happening is 
> it when I start up my Mac, VoiceOver does not come on at the logon prop for 
> my password. I fixed it earlier this week when I called Apple accessibility, 
> but I cannot recall the exact steps to take care of this again. Also, I don’t 
> know why the setting isn’t holding. Essentially, I wanted to users and 
> accounts and unlock the settings so that I could make changes. I went in the 
> system preferences shows accessibility and check the box it said to display 
> the welcome message while VoiceOver starts. But it’s not holding and 
> obviously also not working. Can anybody advise me what I need to do? Thanks 
> advance.
> Best regards,
> Les
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.

2022-02-05 Thread 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Did you enable VoiceOver at startup under login preferences?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Les Kriegler 
Date: Saturday, 5February, 2022 at 17:16
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Voiceover is not coming on automatically at start up.
Hi all,

I have run into a problem for the second time this week. What is happening is 
it when I start up my Mac, VoiceOver does not come on at the logon prop for my 
password. I fixed it earlier this week when I called Apple accessibility, but I 
cannot recall the exact steps to take care of this again. Also, I don’t know 
why the setting isn’t holding. Essentially, I wanted to users and accounts and 
unlock the settings so that I could make changes. I went in the system 
preferences shows accessibility and check the box it said to display the 
welcome message while VoiceOver starts. But it’s not holding and obviously also 
not working. Can anybody advise me what I need to do? Thanks advance.
Best regards,
Les

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