RE: attention Lioncourt
Nor would we want him to be like a rollin' stone. He's too focused, and his content is very good. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 20:12 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: attention Lioncourt Do we really want Josh to get tangled up in blue? On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: > > Keep on keepin' on, Josh, and thanks for the fabulous work you do! > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de > Lioncourt > Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 18:40 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: attention Lioncourt > > > Hi all, > > Thank you all for the kind words and support. > > To answer Chris, yes, there is a donation link on the site. It's > only been > used twice in all the 2 plus years I've been running the site though. > > We'll continue to offer the best resource we possibly can. Thanks to > all who > have contributed content and support. > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
Do we really want Josh to get tangled up in blue? On Oct 26, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: > > Keep on keepin' on, Josh, and thanks for the fabulous work you do! > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de > Lioncourt > Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 18:40 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: attention Lioncourt > > > Hi all, > > Thank you all for the kind words and support. > > To answer Chris, yes, there is a donation link on the site. It's > only been > used twice in all the 2 plus years I've been running the site though. > > We'll continue to offer the best resource we possibly can. Thanks to > all who > have contributed content and support. > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: attention Lioncourt
Keep on keepin' on, Josh, and thanks for the fabulous work you do! Mike -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Josh de Lioncourt Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009 18:40 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: attention Lioncourt Hi all, Thank you all for the kind words and support. To answer Chris, yes, there is a donation link on the site. It's only been used twice in all the 2 plus years I've been running the site though. We'll continue to offer the best resource we possibly can. Thanks to all who have contributed content and support. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
Hi all, Thank you all for the kind words and support. To answer Chris, yes, there is a donation link on the site. It's only been used twice in all the 2 plus years I've been running the site though. We'll continue to offer the best resource we possibly can. Thanks to all who have contributed content and support. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
Here, here!! On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote: > > OH NO! You send two copies of the same message! Somewhere, some > limited bandwidth user has just been bankrupted by your careless use > of your unlimited band width, you bourgeoise fat cat capitalist! Go > buy $5 million in carbon offsets or you will surely burn in hELL! > > > Mark BurningHawk Baxter > > Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 > MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com > My home page: > http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
Hi Josh and all, I think that these lists and people's web pages, podcasts and other user community based "help" systems provide a great service to a whole lot of us. To wit, on Saturday, I'm doing a presentation on Macintosh at ACB Mid-Atlantic when, roughly a year ago, I was still trying to get things figured out and now I'm considered a quasi-expert . Of the various community based items, Josh and his very slick podcasts are among the finest resources available about Macintosh and, in a general way, technology for people with disabilities in general. Sure, there's lots of other good stuff but Josh, in spite of his medieval last name fetish, delivers some very professional work containing excellent content. My opinion is that, as long as Josh isn't taking money or major perks from Apple itself, he can, if it suits him, find ways to make money for his efforts. Getting a few bucks from google ads or some other similar sort can hardly repay Josh for the time and money he puts into his work. I can't recall if Josh has a "tip jar" on his web site but I think it would be good if listeners sent him a few bucks now and then to defray costs and, if he gets enough, maybe buy a sandwich now and then. I love conspiracy stories. They are usually whacked but can be quite funny. I also enjoy the "Conspiracy Skeptic" podcast where such get debunked. Accusing Josh of ripping us, his potential audience, off is really silly but doesn't rise to a really stupid conspiracy like the moon landing fake but is, to our small niche of people, a waste of time and mindshare. So, Josh, here's a tip of the coffee mug to you and your work. Please do not get discouraged over random noise in the system as most appreciate your work greatly. Happy Podcasting, cdh On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:32 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Josh, there's no reason to apologize. I'd steer away from such > arguments, but you know sometimes it's just difficult not to chime in. > First there's no reason why you can't offset your cost if any as you > see fit. YOur providing the service, someone doesn't like how it's > managed, they can pound sand and go find their info elsewhere. It is > also important to point out that beyond their lame rationale, posting > the entire content of another person's work even if cited properly > isn't generally acceptable since most carry a disclaimer that the > content is not to be reproduced in any form without permission and > quite honestly it would be impractical to obtain such permission in > sufficient time for the information to be relevant. > On Oct 25, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> >> I'm sorry you feel that way. I would appreciate it if you would not >> mis-represent what we're doing. >> >> If you had actually read previous messages, we were mainly >> discussing the problem that some folks, in some parts of the world, >> or with some wireless carriers in the US and elsewhere, have to pay >> for data by the KB, among other considerations. >> >> I don't get enough from the Google Ads or donations to even cover >> hosting costs, so that argument is ridiculous. >> >> We really do try to do what is in the best interest of the >> community. I'm sorry you feel there is some conspiracy theory or >> something going on behind the scenes. >> >> Sadly, >> Josh >> >> >> >> On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:51 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> Lots of people have. >>> Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best >>> interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for >>> the full text to be included, its not happening. >>> It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a >>> few >>> times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets >>> be >>> honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he >>> can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds. >>> You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we >>> need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size >>> difference >>> would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k >>> modem. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
Michael, so my argument is to place a few more KB's in a mailing. This will eliminate the MB's associated with surfing that it often takes to locate the given articles in their entirety. Mail tend's to be less of a hog then surfing. as for much of the extra mailings that post limited data they add more band with clutter then the difference in the size of the mailings. would to add my personal data on this, discussion, i pay for a thumb drive modem that has a limited usage and by no means would josh's full articles cause me to break my limit. MY request WAS in no way intended to sling mud at josh but to make more of his information available to those just trying to learn the mac. with limited time. Josh no personal attacks intended. Thanks, Pete On Oct 25, 2009, at 9:39 PM, michael A. Babcock wrote: > > hi; > i have to jump in here. We have limited bandwith here where i live, > and we have six computers on the network. SOutheast alaska isn't the > best for internet. > Josh, thanks, for not posting the entire messages, as i know this > would limit our bandwith even more, even if it's something i don't > want to read. > mike > > On Oct 25, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > >> >> >> I'm sorry you feel that way. I would appreciate it if you would not >> mis-represent what we're doing. >> >> If you had actually read previous messages, we were mainly >> discussing the problem that some folks, in some parts of the world, >> or with some wireless carriers in the US and elsewhere, have to pay >> for data by the KB, among other considerations. >> >> I don't get enough from the Google Ads or donations to even cover >> hosting costs, so that argument is ridiculous. >> >> We really do try to do what is in the best interest of the >> community. I'm sorry you feel there is some conspiracy theory or >> something going on behind the scenes. >> >> Sadly, >> Josh >> >> >> >> On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:51 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> Lots of people have. >>> Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best >>> interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for >>> the full text to be included, its not happening. >>> It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a >>> few >>> times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets >>> be >>> honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he >>> can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds. >>> You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we >>> need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size >>> difference >>> would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k >>> modem. >> >> >>> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
hi; i have to jump in here. We have limited bandwith here where i live, and we have six computers on the network. SOutheast alaska isn't the best for internet. Josh, thanks, for not posting the entire messages, as i know this would limit our bandwith even more, even if it's something i don't want to read. mike On Oct 25, 2009, at 3:58 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > I'm sorry you feel that way. I would appreciate it if you would not > mis-represent what we're doing. > > If you had actually read previous messages, we were mainly > discussing the problem that some folks, in some parts of the world, > or with some wireless carriers in the US and elsewhere, have to pay > for data by the KB, among other considerations. > > I don't get enough from the Google Ads or donations to even cover > hosting costs, so that argument is ridiculous. > > We really do try to do what is in the best interest of the > community. I'm sorry you feel there is some conspiracy theory or > something going on behind the scenes. > > Sadly, > Josh > > > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:51 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Lots of people have. >> Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best >> interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for >> the full text to be included, its not happening. >> It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a few >> times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets >> be >> honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he >> can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds. >> You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we >> need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size difference >> would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k >> modem. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
So we all know what to do. Lets all create a site as successful as josh and force people to click so we can become ritch just like josh. On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > I'm sorry you feel that way. I would appreciate it if you would not > mis-represent what we're doing. > > If you had actually read previous messages, we were mainly > discussing the problem that some folks, in some parts of the world, > or with some wireless carriers in the US and elsewhere, have to pay > for data by the KB, among other considerations. > > I don't get enough from the Google Ads or donations to even cover > hosting costs, so that argument is ridiculous. > > We really do try to do what is in the best interest of the > community. I'm sorry you feel there is some conspiracy theory or > something going on behind the scenes. > > Sadly, > Josh > > > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:51 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Lots of people have. >> Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best >> interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for >> the full text to be included, its not happening. >> It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a few >> times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets >> be >> honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he >> can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds. >> You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we >> need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size difference >> would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k >> modem. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
OH NO! You send two copies of the same message! Somewhere, some limited bandwidth user has just been bankrupted by your careless use of your unlimited band width, you bourgeoise fat cat capitalist! Go buy $5 million in carbon offsets or you will surely burn in hELL! Mark BurningHawk Baxter Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com My home page: http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
Josh, there's no reason to apologize. I'd steer away from such arguments, but you know sometimes it's just difficult not to chime in. First there's no reason why you can't offset your cost if any as you see fit. YOur providing the service, someone doesn't like how it's managed, they can pound sand and go find their info elsewhere. It is also important to point out that beyond their lame rationale, posting the entire content of another person's work even if cited properly isn't generally acceptable since most carry a disclaimer that the content is not to be reproduced in any form without permission and quite honestly it would be impractical to obtain such permission in sufficient time for the information to be relevant. On Oct 25, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > I'm sorry you feel that way. I would appreciate it if you would not > mis-represent what we're doing. > > If you had actually read previous messages, we were mainly > discussing the problem that some folks, in some parts of the world, > or with some wireless carriers in the US and elsewhere, have to pay > for data by the KB, among other considerations. > > I don't get enough from the Google Ads or donations to even cover > hosting costs, so that argument is ridiculous. > > We really do try to do what is in the best interest of the > community. I'm sorry you feel there is some conspiracy theory or > something going on behind the scenes. > > Sadly, > Josh > > > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:51 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Lots of people have. >> Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best >> interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for >> the full text to be included, its not happening. >> It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a few >> times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets >> be >> honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he >> can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds. >> You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we >> need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size difference >> would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k >> modem. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
Josh, there's no reason to apologize. I'd steer away from such arguments, but you know sometimes it's just difficult not to chime in. First there's no reason why you can't offset your cost if any as you see fit. YOur providing the service, someone doesn't like how it's managed, they can pound sand and go find their info elsewhere. It is also important to point out that beyond their lame rationale, posting the entire content of another person's work even if cited properly isn't generally acceptable since most carry a disclaimer that the content is not to be reproduced in any form without permission and quite honestly it would be impractical to obtain such permission in sufficient time for the information to be relevant. On Oct 25, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > I'm sorry you feel that way. I would appreciate it if you would not > mis-represent what we're doing. > > If you had actually read previous messages, we were mainly > discussing the problem that some folks, in some parts of the world, > or with some wireless carriers in the US and elsewhere, have to pay > for data by the KB, among other considerations. > > I don't get enough from the Google Ads or donations to even cover > hosting costs, so that argument is ridiculous. > > We really do try to do what is in the best interest of the > community. I'm sorry you feel there is some conspiracy theory or > something going on behind the scenes. > > Sadly, > Josh > > > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:51 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Lots of people have. >> Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best >> interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for >> the full text to be included, its not happening. >> It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a few >> times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets >> be >> honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he >> can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds. >> You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we >> need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size difference >> would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k >> modem. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
I'm sorry you feel that way. I would appreciate it if you would not mis-represent what we're doing. If you had actually read previous messages, we were mainly discussing the problem that some folks, in some parts of the world, or with some wireless carriers in the US and elsewhere, have to pay for data by the KB, among other considerations. I don't get enough from the Google Ads or donations to even cover hosting costs, so that argument is ridiculous. We really do try to do what is in the best interest of the community. I'm sorry you feel there is some conspiracy theory or something going on behind the scenes. Sadly, Josh On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:51 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Lots of people have. > Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best > interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for > the full text to be included, its not happening. > It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a few > times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets be > honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he > can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds. > You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we > need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size difference > would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k > modem. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: attention Lioncourt
Lots of people have. Moderation say that they will implament things that are in the best interest of the community, yet even though lots of people asked for the full text to be included, its not happening. It all boils down to promotion. I've been on josh'is site quite a few times and I feel that it has some really valuable content, but lets be honest, the only reason that the ful text isn't posted is so that he can get more clicks and hopefully more clicks on his google adds. You'll probably get the old "some people don't have broadband so we need to compact messages" excuse, but in reality, the size difference would be at most a few k, which would take around a second on a 56k modem. On 22/10/2009, peter apgar wrote: > > Josh, > > I have previously posted a request that your mailings include the > entire article when posting. others have expressed similar interests. > > Thanks in advance, > > Pete > > > > -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
