tts bug with some voices Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)
Hi listers, Do you all remember the tts bug from some previous versions of osx and ios. The one that misspronaunced emailaddresses and url's. Well those are fixed in ml for the english or french voices. Badly to see that this bug is still around with the dutch voices, are there others that have the very annoying bug in an other language. I'm trying to make a list and see how we can motivate apple to fix this one. Sadly, this is reported more then a couple times, but yeah. kr -Peter On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 03:25:57PM -0500, BBS wrote: Hi Nick. It’s true that the Nuance voices still say capital before the capital letter. It also says that on the iPhone. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: With the exception of Alex, doesn't it still say the word capital before each letter even with beeps turned on? Whether pitch change or beeps I don't mind, I just don't like it saying capital each time as that three syllable word before each one syllable letter is horribly verbose and slow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)
With the exception of Alex, doesn't it still say the word capital before each letter even with beeps turned on? Whether pitch change or beeps I don't mind, I just don't like it saying capital each time as that three syllable word before each one syllable letter is horribly verbose and slow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)
Hi Nick. It’s true that the Nuance voices still say capital before the capital letter. It also says that on the iPhone. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 28, 2013, at 7:08 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: With the exception of Alex, doesn't it still say the word capital before each letter even with beeps turned on? Whether pitch change or beeps I don't mind, I just don't like it saying capital each time as that three syllable word before each one syllable letter is horribly verbose and slow. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)
Hello, I don’t believe there are any new Australian voices. Just Lee Karen. AS far as the capitol goes, Oliver (the new UK voice), reads capitol T, the same as Compact Samantha. Oddly enough, Alex didn’t indicate capitol or lower-case. I wonder if that is a setting I have created? Traci On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Two questions: 1. Are there any new Australian English voices? 2. Do the new voices read out capital letters properly, as does Alex, or do they announce both capital and change pitch? On 27/10/2013, at 3:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)
HI Traci, By default, Alex should just change pitch when reading a capital letter but should not say the word capital. This makes reading all caps much easier as you don't get all the unnecessary extra words. The other voices, however, will say capital and change pitch as well, which is unnecessarily verbose given that the pitch change is sufficient. Cheers, Nic On 28/10/2013, at 6:34 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I don’t believe there are any new Australian voices. Just Lee Karen. AS far as the capitol goes, Oliver (the new UK voice), reads capitol T, the same as Compact Samantha. Oddly enough, Alex didn’t indicate capitol or lower-case. I wonder if that is a setting I have created? Traci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)
Nick, what I’ve done for all the voices, including Alex and the Vocalizer Expressive voices, instead of having it change pitch for capital letters, I have it beep for capital letters. I prefer this behavior because the pitch changes are freaky. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: HI Traci, By default, Alex should just change pitch when reading a capital letter but should not say the word capital. This makes reading all caps much easier as you don't get all the unnecessary extra words. The other voices, however, will say capital and change pitch as well, which is unnecessarily verbose given that the pitch change is sufficient. Cheers, Nic On 28/10/2013, at 6:34 AM, Traci Duncan our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I don’t believe there are any new Australian voices. Just Lee Karen. AS far as the capitol goes, Oliver (the new UK voice), reads capitol T, the same as Compact Samantha. Oddly enough, Alex didn’t indicate capitol or lower-case. I wonder if that is a setting I have created? Traci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Ok, so does this also affect apps that emulate a bluetooth keyboard, such as Type2Phone? Mind you this wouldn't be a dealbreaker as such for me since I use Siri and the typing apps out there for the phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 26/10/2013 02:50, Ray Foret Jr wrote: I’d largely agree: But, I found one really nasty bug when it comes to pairing a bluetooth keyboard with the Mac under 10.9. Instead of the actual password asked for by the pairing dialog, Voice Over always reads: 12345678 So, if you often pair bluetooth keyboards to your Mac, I’d stay with 10.8 for now. Also be aware that not all third party apps are cought up yet. However, if those things don’t bother you and you are usually what you would consider a first adopter by nature, go right ahead and do it. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:54 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: Hi Courtney. That’s a personal preference to update or not so you’d have to decide that for yourself. Personally, there are some bugs in Mavericks but they’re only tiny ones so it’s not a show stopper for me. But like I said, it’s a matter of personal preference and if you find any bugs, don’t hesitate to tell us and also send them to accessibil...@apple.com. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I know that os 10.9 mavericks is free, but is it worth the trouble of updating? Or is it still not there yet? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Hello, No since the code is shown on your IOS device not your Mac. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:25 AM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so does this also affect apps that emulate a bluetooth keyboard, such as Type2Phone? Mind you this wouldn't be a dealbreaker as such for me since I use Siri and the typing apps out there for the phone. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 26/10/2013 02:50, Ray Foret Jr wrote: I’d largely agree: But, I found one really nasty bug when it comes to pairing a bluetooth keyboard with the Mac under 10.9. Instead of the actual password asked for by the pairing dialog, Voice Over always reads: 12345678 So, if you often pair bluetooth keyboards to your Mac, I’d stay with 10.8 for now. Also be aware that not all third party apps are cought up yet. However, if those things don’t bother you and you are usually what you would consider a first adopter by nature, go right ahead and do it. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:54 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: Hi Courtney. That’s a personal preference to update or not so you’d have to decide that for yourself. Personally, there are some bugs in Mavericks but they’re only tiny ones so it’s not a show stopper for me. But like I said, it’s a matter of personal preference and if you find any bugs, don’t hesitate to tell us and also send them to accessibil...@apple.com. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I know that os 10.9 mavericks is free, but is it worth the trouble of updating? Or is it still not there yet? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Hi. Yes, we get the vocalizer expressive voices now. Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com Assistive Technology Trainer IOS and Macintosh User support Windsor area On 2013-10-26, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Hello, No there are actually new choices. For example, the new American female english voices Ava and Alison. hth Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Maggie's Dobermail caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com mailto:moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)
Two questions: 1. Are there any new Australian English voices? 2. Do the new voices read out capital letters properly, as does Alex, or do they announce both capital and change pitch? On 27/10/2013, at 3:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)
No, I don’t think there are new Australian voices. No, that capital letter oddity is still present, at least in Ava. On Oct 26, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Two questions: 1. Are there any new Australian English voices? 2. Do the new voices read out capital letters properly, as does Alex, or do they announce both capital and change pitch? On 27/10/2013, at 3:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
My favorite voice for Vocalizer Expressive is Karen because she sounds more human than the rest of them. I kinda find it funny that Nuance put the original Loquendo voices, (Alison, Kate, and Susan) into Vocalizer Expressive. Funny and a little bit saddened that they didn’t keep the ability for those three to do exclamations anymore. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Voices in Mavericks (was, Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?)
Hi Nick. No, there aren’t any new Australian voices, but Karen sounds new and improved. More human than she ever was. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote: Two questions: 1. Are there any new Australian English voices? 2. Do the new voices read out capital letters properly, as does Alex, or do they announce both capital and change pitch? On 27/10/2013, at 3:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Hi, Well, it makes sense, as Nuance bought Loquendo a few years ago. Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com Assistive Technology Trainer IOS and Macintosh User support Windsor area On 2013-10-26, at 4:34 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: My favorite voice for Vocalizer Expressive is Karen because she sounds more human than the rest of them. I kinda find it funny that Nuance put the original Loquendo voices, (Alison, Kate, and Susan) into Vocalizer Expressive. Funny and a little bit saddened that they didn’t keep the ability for those three to do exclamations anymore. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
As someone who has read everyone of these Mavericks post, and has yet to update, the answer to this question for a gmail user seems to be No. I usually upgrade to the new operating systems in the first week or two, but from what I have read, I can't seem to find one thing that makes Mavericks worth the upgrade. Please do correct me if I am wrong, but since I would list email and mammal towards the top of what I use my computer for, it sounds like either Apple or Gmail dropped the ball somewhere big time. I don't plan on using Ibooks and I am disappointed to hear that Apple failed miserably when building the accessibility in to it. As a die hard Apple fan, iMac, Mac Air, iPhone 3S, 4S, and 5S, I feel Apple has really been slipping in testing accessibility for releases. Considering how buggy IOS 7 is, and now Mavericks, I might have to start paying more attention to what the other guys are doing. I have gotten rid of anything running Windows in my house so am disappointed by the results to Apple's latest releases. Hopefully the bug improvement schedule won't be on the same schedule fixing numbers has been, 8 years. On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Well, it makes sense, as Nuance bought Loquendo a few years ago. Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com Assistive Technology Trainer IOS and Macintosh User support Windsor area On 2013-10-26, at 4:34 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: My favorite voice for Vocalizer Expressive is Karen because she sounds more human than the rest of them. I kinda find it funny that Nuance put the original Loquendo voices, (Alison, Kate, and Susan) into Vocalizer Expressive. Funny and a little bit saddened that they didn’t keep the ability for those three to do exclamations anymore. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example, you don’t get any new choices to my knowledge other then the usual Samantha, Daniel, etc.. I know somebody will correct me if this is off base.. Cait On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Courtney Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Wait a minute, there are new vo voices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: new -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Hi, I think you bring up an excellent point. In my opinion, There is no really one super addition to Mavericks. ibooks is cool, I’ve read 3 books with it already, but accessibility wise, it feels like its still in beta. That being said, it really doesn’t need much to become awesome. Label the buttons, fix voiceover in the table of contents, and add a continuously read function with Voiceover. I feel strongly that these are things we will see pretty soon. Same thing with mail. If you are a person who uses mail extensively with an IMAP gmail account, especially if you have a bunch of labels, rules and filters set up, your going to feel put out I think. Again, I feel strongly this will be fixed pretty soon. Why? It’s honestly in Apples best interest to do so. Who likes bad press right? Even if your OS is free. haha. Plus, it is obvious to see that Apple is trying to position itself as a more viable option for productivity. Not working well with the largest e-mail provider in the world isn’t a good way to get the ball rolling. lol. But besides these 2 things, which are indeed significant, Mail more than iBooks, Mavericks is pretty good. If you feel these two things are show stoppers? I don’t feel you will be missing much by waiting a little while to upgrade. That being said, since its free, You can always make a partition, and install Mavericks on that and take it for a little test drive. That’s what I really recommend to those on the fence. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: As someone who has read everyone of these Mavericks post, and has yet to update, the answer to this question for a gmail user seems to be No. I usually upgrade to the new operating systems in the first week or two, but from what I have read, I can't seem to find one thing that makes Mavericks worth the upgrade. Please do correct me if I am wrong, but since I would list email and mammal towards the top of what I use my computer for, it sounds like either Apple or Gmail dropped the ball somewhere big time. I don't plan on using Ibooks and I am disappointed to hear that Apple failed miserably when building the accessibility in to it. As a die hard Apple fan, iMac, Mac Air, iPhone 3S, 4S, and 5S, I feel Apple has really been slipping in testing accessibility for releases. Considering how buggy IOS 7 is, and now Mavericks, I might have to start paying more attention to what the other guys are doing. I have gotten rid of anything running Windows in my house so am disappointed by the results to Apple's latest releases. Hopefully the bug improvement schedule won't be on the same schedule fixing numbers has been, 8 years. On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Well, it makes sense, as Nuance bought Loquendo a few years ago. Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com Assistive Technology Trainer IOS and Macintosh User support Windsor area On 2013-10-26, at 4:34 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: My favorite voice for Vocalizer Expressive is Karen because she sounds more human than the rest of them. I kinda find it funny that Nuance put the original Loquendo voices, (Alison, Kate, and Susan) into Vocalizer Expressive. Funny and a little bit saddened that they didn’t keep the ability for those three to do exclamations anymore. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read below. hi folks. for those who have already upgraded to the Mavericks: someone can tell me if the manual VoiceOver Getting Started is now available for the mavericks? would be nice to take some questions. I think it's still a bit early but ... thanks. cheers. Em 26/10/2013 16:58, Maggie's Dobermail escreveu: Well, for what it’s worth, I don’t think they are really “new”, just improved a bit. For example,
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Hi Ricardo, Regarding iBooks, have you figured out a way to access collections? I have an embarrassingly large iBooks library, and it is divided into collections. Collections are one of the things that makes iBooks outstanding in my opinion. So can I have my collections accessible on Mavericks? Mary Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think you bring up an excellent point. In my opinion, There is no really one super addition to Mavericks. ibooks is cool, I’ve read 3 books with it already, but accessibility wise, it feels like its still in beta. That being said, it really doesn’t need much to become awesome. Label the buttons, fix voiceover in the table of contents, and add a continuously read function with Voiceover. I feel strongly that these are things we will see pretty soon. Same thing with mail. If you are a person who uses mail extensively with an IMAP gmail account, especially if you have a bunch of labels, rules and filters set up, your going to feel put out I think. Again, I feel strongly this will be fixed pretty soon. Why? It’s honestly in Apples best interest to do so. Who likes bad press right? Even if your OS is free. haha. Plus, it is obvious to see that Apple is trying to position itself as a more viable option for productivity. Not working well with the largest e-mail provider in the world isn’t a good way to get the ball rolling. lol. But besides these 2 things, which are indeed significant, Mail more than iBooks, Mavericks is pretty good. If you feel these two things are show stoppers? I don’t feel you will be missing much by waiting a little while to upgrade. That being said, since its free, You can always make a partition, and install Mavericks on that and take it for a little test drive. That’s what I really recommend to those on the fence. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 26, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Brian Fischler blindga...@gmail.com wrote: As someone who has read everyone of these Mavericks post, and has yet to update, the answer to this question for a gmail user seems to be No. I usually upgrade to the new operating systems in the first week or two, but from what I have read, I can't seem to find one thing that makes Mavericks worth the upgrade. Please do correct me if I am wrong, but since I would list email and mammal towards the top of what I use my computer for, it sounds like either Apple or Gmail dropped the ball somewhere big time. I don't plan on using Ibooks and I am disappointed to hear that Apple failed miserably when building the accessibility in to it. As a die hard Apple fan, iMac, Mac Air, iPhone 3S, 4S, and 5S, I feel Apple has really been slipping in testing accessibility for releases. Considering how buggy IOS 7 is, and now Mavericks, I might have to start paying more attention to what the other guys are doing. I have gotten rid of anything running Windows in my house so am disappointed by the results to Apple's latest releases. Hopefully the bug improvement schedule won't be on the same schedule fixing numbers has been, 8 years. On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Well, it makes sense, as Nuance bought Loquendo a few years ago. Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com Assistive Technology Trainer IOS and Macintosh User support Windsor area On 2013-10-26, at 4:34 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: My favorite voice for Vocalizer Expressive is Karen because she sounds more human than the rest of them. I kinda find it funny that Nuance put the original Loquendo voices, (Alison, Kate, and Susan) into Vocalizer Expressive. Funny and a little bit saddened that they didn’t keep the ability for those three to do exclamations anymore. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 26, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, if you go into Voiceover’s speech settings and choose customize from the default voice popup, or from the same popup in System Preferences Speech and Dictation Speech tab, you’ll find them. As usual, check the ones you want, they will download, and there you go. Off the top of my head, the new voices are kate, Ava, Allison, Oliver, Susan, and an India one whose name I don’t remember. My personal favorite is Ava, but they are all pretty good. Mario, your messages are reaching the list. I’m not sure what tutorial you mean, though. On Oct 26, 2013, at 12:23 PM, mario navarro mario@gmail.com wrote: hi guys, sorry for making dynamic reading, but I do not know if my messages are reaching the group. please tell me. read
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Hi Courtney. That’s a personal preference to update or not so you’d have to decide that for yourself. Personally, there are some bugs in Mavericks but they’re only tiny ones so it’s not a show stopper for me. But like I said, it’s a matter of personal preference and if you find any bugs, don’t hesitate to tell us and also send them to accessibil...@apple.com. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I know that os 10.9 mavericks is free, but is it worth the trouble of updating? Or is it still not there yet? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
I’d largely agree: But, I found one really nasty bug when it comes to pairing a bluetooth keyboard with the Mac under 10.9. Instead of the actual password asked for by the pairing dialog, Voice Over always reads: 12345678 So, if you often pair bluetooth keyboards to your Mac, I’d stay with 10.8 for now. Also be aware that not all third party apps are cought up yet. However, if those things don’t bother you and you are usually what you would consider a first adopter by nature, go right ahead and do it. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:54 PM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: Hi Courtney. That’s a personal preference to update or not so you’d have to decide that for yourself. Personally, there are some bugs in Mavericks but they’re only tiny ones so it’s not a show stopper for me. But like I said, it’s a matter of personal preference and if you find any bugs, don’t hesitate to tell us and also send them to accessibil...@apple.com. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I know that os 10.9 mavericks is free, but is it worth the trouble of updating? Or is it still not there yet? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: os 10.9, is it worth it?
Depends on what you do. If you like how VO reads messages in Mail, or you don’t care about Maps or iBooks (neither of which is fully accessible, though iBooks is usable and I haven’t played with Maps), or you don’t want app launches or waking from sleep to take a long time, don’t update. The advantages are the afore-mentioned iBooks, new VO voices, better key echo as you type, tabs in Finder, power/battery improvements (mostly good for laptops), a better Notification Center, and so on. yes, there are accessibility problems, but there are good points as well. It depends on what you use and what you need. On Oct 25, 2013, at 6:06 PM, Moop Curran moopiecur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I know that os 10.9 mavericks is free, but is it worth the trouble of updating? Or is it still not there yet? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iMac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
