Re: test driving an iphone?

[Chris Blouch]

Dunno if this was mentioned in the reviews but the first time a friend 
and I tried a 3gs iPhone was at the AT&T store and it was a bit hard to 
hear from the built-in speaker. Lots of ambient noise in some stores. 
You might want to bring your favorite headphones along to really be able 
to tell what's going on.


CB

Karen Lewellen wrote:

Wow Esther,
Even better and I thank you.
I suspect based on my short phone chat with the cell phone store I 
will visit that they are already a tad aware of voiceover and the 
iphone.  the provider originally given rights to carry the phone in 
the Toronto area got some very  bad nasty press when one of their reps 
told a customer that voiceover did not even exist let alone being 
apart of the iphone.
Your detailed description plus the combination of links here and in 
Scott's note lets me really get a feel for the phone.

Also explains why the term gestures is used.  finger flicks indeed.
Should stop in there early part of next week and report.
I asked the ipad question because an uninformed person from another 
list insisted that a keypad was required  to use it at all...which 
made little sense.

Thanks all around,
Karen

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010, Esther wrote:


Hi Karen,

I concur with Scott's suggestions. Before you go to the store to 
check out the iPhone, review the section on VoiceOver gestures in the 
iPhone User's Guide:

http://help.apple.com/iphone/voiceover/en/
The direct link to the section on VoiceOver is:
http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en/iphddd0db38.html

VoiceOver gets turned on and off in Settings > General > 
Accessibility > VoiceOver.  I assume the store will have to turn this 
on for you.  Once you're on that screen, you can do a two finger 
flick up to have VoiceOver read out the screen contents.  If you want 
to stop it, tap with two fingers on the screen.  Then you can also 
navigate to the next item and hear it announced by flicking right 
with one finger, or listen to the previous item by flicking left with 
one finger through the page.


You'll probably want to change the speaking rate, which is done with 
a slider near the bottom of the VoiceOver  screen. If you used a two 
finger flick to read through to the end of the page, flick left with 
one finger to get to the slider, or simply move your finger up from 
the bottom of the screen to touch it.  Then, flick up (to increase) 
or down (to decrease) to adjust speaking rate.


The Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver screen also has a 
"Practice VoiceOver Gestures" area that works like keyboard practice 
mode: once you activate it (by double tapping) VoiceOver will 
announce the gestures it thinks you made and the associated action 
(e.g., "Flick right; move to next item").  Double tap on the "Done" 
button at the top right of the screen to exit the "Practice VoiceOver 
Gestures" area.


Another point: when a button or link has focus (because you've 
touched it, or flicked to it), you can double tap anywhere on the 
screen to activate it. Also, to go back to reach a previous screen in 
a tree, you'll generally double tap a button at the top left of the 
screen.


So, if you choose to set up the triple-click home as a toggle switch 
for VoiceOver, after leaving the VoiceOver Screen by double tapping 
the "Accessibility" button at the top left, flick right until you 
reach the "Triple-Click Home" button (or just move your finger to the 
bottom of the screen to touch it), and double-tap. Then, flick right 
past "Off" to "Toggle VoiceOver" and double tap to select it.   You 
can leave the various "Settings" menu screens by simply pressing the 
Home button at the bottom of the screen once.


On your iPad question, it should be possible to use the iPad without 
an external keypad.  However, what's very intriguing is a report from 
TUAW that some people were able to use the iPad Camera Kit attachment 
to hook up a USB keypad.  This doesn't seem to be universal, since 
some people commented that they got a "USB Device Not Recognized" 
when they tried this, so we don't know which models this might work 
with.  It may just work as a feature that is not officially 
supported.  Here's the link to the TUAW article, "Dear Aunt TUAW: Can 
I use a USB keyboard or headset with my iPad?" by Erica Sadun, April 
23, 2010:
 



HTH

Cheers,

Esther




Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi all,
I just learned today that my mobile phone provider here in Toronto 
has the i-phone.  I want to step into a store and see what it is like.
Any tips, in case the sales person is clueless about the access 
features?
May as well add a goofy ipad question too.  is everyone using one 
actually using an extra keypad or  does access mean the touch screen?
I know that is a baby question, but since I do not have  an ipad I 
have not followed those threads.

Karen



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Re: test driving an iphone?

[Karen Lewellen]

Wow Esther,
Even better and I thank you.
I suspect based on my short phone chat with the cell phone store I will 
visit that they are already a tad aware of voiceover and the iphone.  the 
provider originally given rights to carry the phone in the Toronto area 
got some very  bad nasty press when one of their reps told a customer that 
voiceover did not even exist let alone being apart of the iphone.
Your detailed description plus the combination of links here and in Scott's 
note lets me really get a feel for the phone.

Also explains why the term gestures is used.  finger flicks indeed.
Should stop in there early part of next week and report.
I asked the ipad question because an uninformed person from another list 
insisted that a keypad was required  to use it at all...which made little 
sense.

Thanks all around,
Karen

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010, Esther wrote:


Hi Karen,

I concur with Scott's suggestions. Before you go to the store to check out 
the iPhone, review the section on VoiceOver gestures in the iPhone User's 
Guide:

http://help.apple.com/iphone/voiceover/en/
The direct link to the section on VoiceOver is:
http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en/iphddd0db38.html

VoiceOver gets turned on and off in Settings > General > Accessibility > 
VoiceOver.  I assume the store will have to turn this on for you.  Once 
you're on that screen, you can do a two finger flick up to have VoiceOver 
read out the screen contents.  If you want to stop it, tap with two fingers 
on the screen.  Then you can also navigate to the next item and hear it 
announced by flicking right with one finger, or listen to the previous item 
by flicking left with one finger through the page.


You'll probably want to change the speaking rate, which is done with a slider 
near the bottom of the VoiceOver  screen. If you used a two finger flick to 
read through to the end of the page, flick left with one finger to get to the 
slider, or simply move your finger up from the bottom of the screen to touch 
it.  Then, flick up (to increase) or down (to decrease) to adjust speaking 
rate.


The Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver screen also has a 
"Practice VoiceOver Gestures" area that works like keyboard practice mode: 
once you activate it (by double tapping) VoiceOver will announce the gestures 
it thinks you made and the associated action (e.g., "Flick right; move to 
next item").  Double tap on the "Done" button at the top right of the screen 
to exit the "Practice VoiceOver Gestures" area.


Another point: when a button or link has focus (because you've touched it, or 
flicked to it), you can double tap anywhere on the screen to activate it. 
Also, to go back to reach a previous screen in a tree, you'll generally 
double tap a button at the top left of the screen.


So, if you choose to set up the triple-click home as a toggle switch for 
VoiceOver, after leaving the VoiceOver Screen by double tapping the 
"Accessibility" button at the top left, flick right until you reach the 
"Triple-Click Home" button (or just move your finger to the bottom of the 
screen to touch it), and double-tap. Then, flick right past "Off" to "Toggle 
VoiceOver" and double tap to select it.   You can leave the various 
"Settings" menu screens by simply pressing the Home button at the bottom of 
the screen once.


On your iPad question, it should be possible to use the iPad without an 
external keypad.  However, what's very intriguing is a report from TUAW that 
some people were able to use the iPad Camera Kit attachment to hook up a USB 
keypad.  This doesn't seem to be universal, since some people commented that 
they got a "USB Device Not Recognized" when they tried this, so we don't know 
which models this might work with.  It may just work as a feature that is not 
officially supported.  Here's the link to the TUAW article, "Dear Aunt TUAW: 
Can I use a USB keyboard or headset with my iPad?" by Erica Sadun, April 23, 
2010:



HTH

Cheers,

Esther




Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi all,
I just learned today that my mobile phone provider here in Toronto has the 
i-phone.  I want to step into a store and see what it is like.

Any tips, in case the sales person is clueless about the access features?
May as well add a goofy ipad question too.  is everyone using one actually 
using an extra keypad or  does access mean the touch screen?
I know that is a baby question, but since I do not have  an ipad I have not 
followed those threads.

Karen



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Re: test driving an iphone?

[Karen Lewellen]

Excellent!
Just what I required.
Thanks.
Karen

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010, Scott Howell wrote:


You will want to go read a little and familiarize yourself with the gestures. 
The URL is http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html and you can 
have VoiceOver turned on by going to settings, general, accessibility, and then 
VOiceOver. To make it easier for them to turn it on/off, they may wish to 
consider setting the triple home click to toggle VO on/off. SO, no matter how 
difficult the gestures etc. they can return the phone to the standard interface.

On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi all,
I just learned today that my mobile phone provider here in Toronto has the 
i-phone.  I want to step into a store and see what it is like.
Any tips, in case the sales person is clueless about the access features?
May as well add a goofy ipad question too.  is everyone using one actually 
using an extra keypad or  does access mean the touch screen?
I know that is a baby question, but since I do not have  an ipad I have not 
followed those threads.
Karen

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Re: test driving an iphone?

[Esther]

Hi Karen,

I concur with Scott's suggestions. Before you go to the store to check  
out the iPhone, review the section on VoiceOver gestures in the iPhone  
User's Guide:

http://help.apple.com/iphone/voiceover/en/
The direct link to the section on VoiceOver is:
http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en/iphddd0db38.html

VoiceOver gets turned on and off in Settings > General > Accessibility  
> VoiceOver.  I assume the store will have to turn this on for you.   
Once you're on that screen, you can do a two finger flick up to have  
VoiceOver read out the screen contents.  If you want to stop it, tap  
with two fingers on the screen.  Then you can also navigate to the  
next item and hear it announced by flicking right with one finger, or  
listen to the previous item by flicking left with one finger through  
the page.


You'll probably want to change the speaking rate, which is done with a  
slider near the bottom of the VoiceOver  screen. If you used a two  
finger flick to read through to the end of the page, flick left with  
one finger to get to the slider, or simply move your finger up from  
the bottom of the screen to touch it.  Then, flick up (to increase) or  
down (to decrease) to adjust speaking rate.


The Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver screen also has a  
"Practice VoiceOver Gestures" area that works like keyboard practice  
mode: once you activate it (by double tapping) VoiceOver will announce  
the gestures it thinks you made and the associated action (e.g.,  
"Flick right; move to next item").  Double tap on the "Done" button at  
the top right of the screen to exit the "Practice VoiceOver Gestures"  
area.


Another point: when a button or link has focus (because you've touched  
it, or flicked to it), you can double tap anywhere on the screen to  
activate it.  Also, to go back to reach a previous screen in a tree,  
you'll generally double tap a button at the top left of the screen.


So, if you choose to set up the triple-click home as a toggle switch  
for VoiceOver, after leaving the VoiceOver Screen by double tapping  
the "Accessibility" button at the top left, flick right until you  
reach the "Triple-Click Home" button (or just move your finger to the  
bottom of the screen to touch it), and double-tap. Then, flick right  
past "Off" to "Toggle VoiceOver" and double tap to select it.   You  
can leave the various "Settings" menu screens by simply pressing the  
Home button at the bottom of the screen once.


On your iPad question, it should be possible to use the iPad without  
an external keypad.  However, what's very intriguing is a report from  
TUAW that some people were able to use the iPad Camera Kit attachment  
to hook up a USB keypad.  This doesn't seem to be universal, since  
some people commented that they got a "USB Device Not Recognized" when  
they tried this, so we don't know which models this might work with.   
It may just work as a feature that is not officially supported.   
Here's the link to the TUAW article, "Dear Aunt TUAW: Can I use a USB  
keyboard or headset with my iPad?" by Erica Sadun, April 23, 2010:



HTH

Cheers,

Esther




Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi all,
I just learned today that my mobile phone provider here in Toronto  
has the i-phone.  I want to step into a store and see what it is like.
Any tips, in case the sales person is clueless about the access  
features?
May as well add a goofy ipad question too.  is everyone using one  
actually using an extra keypad or  does access mean the touch screen?
I know that is a baby question, but since I do not have  an ipad I  
have not followed those threads.

Karen



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Re: test driving an iphone?

[Scott Howell]

You will want to go read a little and familiarize yourself with the gestures. 
The URL is http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html and you can 
have VoiceOver turned on by going to settings, general, accessibility, and then 
VOiceOver. To make it easier for them to turn it on/off, they may wish to 
consider setting the triple home click to toggle VO on/off. SO, no matter how 
difficult the gestures etc. they can return the phone to the standard interface.

On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just learned today that my mobile phone provider here in Toronto has the 
> i-phone.  I want to step into a store and see what it is like.
> Any tips, in case the sales person is clueless about the access features?
> May as well add a goofy ipad question too.  is everyone using one actually 
> using an extra keypad or  does access mean the touch screen?
> I know that is a baby question, but since I do not have  an ipad I have not 
> followed those threads.
> Karen
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