Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Anders:

Two comments ...

1.) You can download a Windows 10 iso image without first purchasing
a license here:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO

I expect there are parallel sites for languages other than English. The
above is English, but the iso you get is capable of configuration for
multiple languages.

BootCamp can use the iso you get this way for the installation, and
Windows will happily install without a key. There's a checkbox early in
the installation process where you can note you have no key. You will have 
Narrator.

Once installed, you'll have limited functionality, as best I can tell.
You can buy the license directly from the Windows Store using an
installation you create this way. I did find the price steep, however. I
was offered a Windows 10 64bit Pro license for $199 USD. I got a DVD and
an OEM license via Amazon for $151.

2.) The flavors of Linux currently available via Windows 10 are
documented here:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10

So, far I've not seen any announcement of Debian support, that that
doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.

However, as you probably know, Ubuntu is fairly close to Debian in how
it's managed, e.g. the use of apt for package management.

And, you're not limited to one Linux distribution. At the moment
Microsoft has three available, and you could certainly install all
three, should you wish.

hth

Janina


Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> I actually want to buy a windows 10 license just to try this out myself.
> I am not familiar with fedora at all.
> Am sadly a bit prejudiced about other distros of linux.
> Debian or nothing else *lol*.
> BUt i guess they are more similar to each other than different.
> /A
> 
> > 14 jan. 2018 kl. 13:03 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking.
> > 
> > Right now I'm playing with Ubuntu under Microsoft Windows in my BootCamp
> > partition. Who'd have ever thought of such a thing even ten years ago?
> > I'll wait for the release of Fedora under Windows WS, as that's the
> > distro I'll want to keep being that I'm far more familiar with Fedora
> > than Ubuntu.
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> Some of the virtualbox gui interface is accessible but i wouldn’t use that 
> >> if i were you.
> >> THere are commands for virtualbox from terminal so i guess you just ssh 
> >> into your mac and do the configuring and then use it from the mac itself 
> >> when all is setup.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 13 jan. 2018 kl. 17:09 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Anders:
> >>> 
> >>> Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
> >>> few years.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
> >>> learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>  Hi Janina!
>  Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
>  I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i 
>  think i was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
>  Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
>  Very frustrating.
>  /A
>  
> > 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Hi, Anders:
> > 
> > I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> > certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> > 
> > All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> > of VMware 10.1.1.
> > 
> > I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> > VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> > not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> > January.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >>> From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
> >>> virtual machine.
> >> But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed 
> >> command n i found a table with a lot of options.
> >> One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> >>> 
> >>> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I 
> >>> have found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft 
> >>> resource.
> >>> 
> >>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
> >>>  
> >>> 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I actually want to buy a windows 10 license just to try this out myself.
I am not familiar with fedora at all.
Am sadly a bit prejudiced about other distros of linux.
Debian or nothing else *lol*.
BUt i guess they are more similar to each other than different.
/A

> 14 jan. 2018 kl. 13:03 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking.
> 
> Right now I'm playing with Ubuntu under Microsoft Windows in my BootCamp
> partition. Who'd have ever thought of such a thing even ten years ago?
> I'll wait for the release of Fedora under Windows WS, as that's the
> distro I'll want to keep being that I'm far more familiar with Fedora
> than Ubuntu.
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>> Some of the virtualbox gui interface is accessible but i wouldn’t use that 
>> if i were you.
>> THere are commands for virtualbox from terminal so i guess you just ssh into 
>> your mac and do the configuring and then use it from the mac itself when all 
>> is setup.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 13 jan. 2018 kl. 17:09 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi, Anders:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
>>> few years.
>>> 
>>> I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
>>> learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
 Hi Janina!
 Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
 I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think 
 i was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
 Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
 Very frustrating.
 /A
 
> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi, Anders:
> 
> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> 
> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> of VMware 10.1.1.
> 
> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> January.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>>> From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
>>> virtual machine.
>> But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed 
>> command n i found a table with a lot of options.
>> One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
>>> 
>>> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I 
>>> have found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
>>> 
>>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
>>> roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
>>> meet a graphical challenge.
>>> 
>>> Let us know if you crack it.
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
>>> The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
>>> 
>>> Michael Hinson 2011
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello Janina,
 
 Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
 manager to see the driver status.
 
 What the ….. is going on?
 
 
 
 Gena
 
 Call: M0EBP
 Loc: IO83PS
 
 
 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware 
> sound through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for 
> the new device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have 
> sound through an independent sound card. 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Jonathan Cohn]

This is from 3-4 years ago but the number and URL should still be correct.


>> Microsoft's Accessibility Answer Desk is available in North America from 5am 
>> to 9pm PST during the week, and 6am to 3pm on the weekends. English language 
>> only.
>> Phone: 800-936-5900
>> Web contact form 
>>  
>> Online chat will be supported in the n
>> 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 14, 2018, at 7:00 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> No, didn't get that phone number yet, but I'll post when I do.
> 
> Turned out my issue, that I though might be an MS issue, was an Apple
> issue after all.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Well Virtiual box has a pretty good command line interface. Did you get the 
>> number for the Microsoft Accessibility help desk?
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 11:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Anders:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
>>> few years.
>>> 
>>> I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
>>> learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
 Hi Janina!
 Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
 I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think 
 i was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
 Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
 Very frustrating.
 /A
 
> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi, Anders:
> 
> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> 
> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> of VMware 10.1.1.
> 
> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> January.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>>> From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
>>> virtual machine.
>> But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed 
>> command n i found a table with a lot of options.
>> One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
>>> 
>>> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I 
>>> have found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
>>> 
>>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
>>> roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
>>> meet a graphical challenge.
>>> 
>>> Let us know if you crack it.
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
>>> The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
>>> 
>>> Michael Hinson 2011
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello Janina,
 
 Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
 manager to see the driver status.
 
 What the ….. is going on?
 
 
 
 Gena
 
 Call: M0EBP
 Loc: IO83PS
 
 
 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware 
> sound through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for 
> the new device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have 
> sound through an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a 
> driver issue.
> 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking.

Right now I'm playing with Ubuntu under Microsoft Windows in my BootCamp
partition. Who'd have ever thought of such a thing even ten years ago?
I'll wait for the release of Fedora under Windows WS, as that's the
distro I'll want to keep being that I'm far more familiar with Fedora
than Ubuntu.

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Some of the virtualbox gui interface is accessible but i wouldn’t use that if 
> i were you.
> THere are commands for virtualbox from terminal so i guess you just ssh into 
> your mac and do the configuring and then use it from the mac itself when all 
> is setup.
> /A
> 
> > 13 jan. 2018 kl. 17:09 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Hi, Anders:
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
> > few years.
> > 
> > I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
> > learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi Janina!
> >> Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
> >> I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think 
> >> i was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
> >> Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
> >> Very frustrating.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Anders:
> >>> 
> >>> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> >>> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> >>> 
> >>> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> >>> of VMware 10.1.1.
> >>> 
> >>> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> >>> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> >>> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> >>> January.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>  Hi!
> > From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
> > virtual machine.
>  But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed 
>  command n i found a table with a lot of options.
>  One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
>  /A
>  
> > 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> > 
> > My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I 
> > have found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> > 
> > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
> > roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
> > meet a graphical challenge.
> > 
> > Let us know if you crack it.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
> > The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> > 
> > Michael Hinson 2011
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
> >> manager to see the driver status.
> >> 
> >> What the ….. is going on?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> Call: M0EBP
> >> Loc: IO83PS
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> >>> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> >>> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware 
> >>> sound through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for 
> >>> the new device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have 
> >>> sound through an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a 
> >>> driver issue.
> >>> 
> >>> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> Georgina Joyce
> >>> Applied Psychologist
> >>> Training and Coaching.
> >>> Because individuals of groups matter!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

No, didn't get that phone number yet, but I'll post when I do.

Turned out my issue, that I though might be an MS issue, was an Apple
issue after all.

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Well Virtiual box has a pretty good command line interface. Did you get the 
> number for the Microsoft Accessibility help desk?
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jan 13, 2018, at 11:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Anders:
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
> > few years.
> > 
> > I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
> > learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi Janina!
> >> Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
> >> I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think 
> >> i was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
> >> Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
> >> Very frustrating.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Anders:
> >>> 
> >>> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> >>> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> >>> 
> >>> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> >>> of VMware 10.1.1.
> >>> 
> >>> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> >>> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> >>> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> >>> January.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>  Hi!
> > From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
> > virtual machine.
>  But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed 
>  command n i found a table with a lot of options.
>  One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
>  /A
>  
> > 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> > 
> > My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I 
> > have found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> > 
> > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
> > roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
> > meet a graphical challenge.
> > 
> > Let us know if you crack it.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
> > The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> > 
> > Michael Hinson 2011
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
> >> manager to see the driver status.
> >> 
> >> What the ….. is going on?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> Call: M0EBP
> >> Loc: IO83PS
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> >>> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> >>> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware 
> >>> sound through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for 
> >>> the new device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have 
> >>> sound through an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a 
> >>> driver issue.
> >>> 
> >>> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> Georgina Joyce
> >>> Applied Psychologist
> >>> Training and Coaching.
> >>> Because individuals of groups matter!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce   > wrote:
>  
>  Hello Janina,
>  
>  I think the blind keystrokes might be:
>  
>  Open the 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Some of the virtualbox gui interface is accessible but i wouldn’t use that if i 
were you.
THere are commands for virtualbox from terminal so i guess you just ssh into 
your mac and do the configuring and then use it from the mac itself when all is 
setup.
/A

> 13 jan. 2018 kl. 17:09 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi, Anders:
> 
> Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
> few years.
> 
> I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
> learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi Janina!
>> Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
>> I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think i 
>> was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
>> Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
>> Very frustrating.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi, Anders:
>>> 
>>> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
>>> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
>>> 
>>> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
>>> of VMware 10.1.1.
>>> 
>>> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
>>> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
>>> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
>>> January.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
 Hi!
> From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
> virtual machine.
 But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed command 
 n i found a table with a lot of options.
 One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
 /A
 
> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> 
> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I have 
> found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> 
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
>  
> 
> 
> Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
> roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
> meet a graphical challenge.
> 
> Let us know if you crack it.
> 
> Gena
> 
> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
> The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> 
> Michael Hinson 2011
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
>> manager to see the driver status.
>> 
>> What the ….. is going on?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Call: M0EBP
>> Loc: IO83PS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
>>> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
>>> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound 
>>> through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for the new 
>>> device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have sound 
>>> through an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a driver 
>>> issue.
>>> 
>>> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> Georgina Joyce
>>> Applied Psychologist
>>> Training and Coaching.
>>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello Janina,
 
 I think the blind keystrokes might be:
 
 Open the run dialog box:
 cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
 
 If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
 likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped 
 package so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of 
 things. Going by the article your run command should be:
 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Jonathan Cohn]

Well Virtiual box has a pretty good command line interface. Did you get the 
number for the Microsoft Accessibility help desk?


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 13, 2018, at 11:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Anders:
> 
> Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
> few years.
> 
> I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
> learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi Janina!
>> Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
>> I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think i 
>> was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
>> Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
>> Very frustrating.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi, Anders:
>>> 
>>> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
>>> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
>>> 
>>> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
>>> of VMware 10.1.1.
>>> 
>>> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
>>> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
>>> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
>>> January.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
 Hi!
> From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
> virtual machine.
 But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed command 
 n i found a table with a lot of options.
 One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
 /A
 
> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> 
> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I have 
> found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> 
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
>  
> 
> 
> Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
> roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
> meet a graphical challenge.
> 
> Let us know if you crack it.
> 
> Gena
> 
> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
> The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> 
> Michael Hinson 2011
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
>> manager to see the driver status.
>> 
>> What the ….. is going on?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Call: M0EBP
>> Loc: IO83PS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
>>> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
>>> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound 
>>> through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for the new 
>>> device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have sound 
>>> through an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a driver 
>>> issue.
>>> 
>>> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> Georgina Joyce
>>> Applied Psychologist
>>> Training and Coaching.
>>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello Janina,
 
 I think the blind keystrokes might be:
 
 Open the run dialog box:
 cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
 
 If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
 likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped 
 package so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of 
 things. Going by the article your run command should be:
 e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
 
 Windows will want you to allow changes so 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Anders:

Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
few years.

I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi Janina!
> Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
> I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think i 
> was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
> Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
> Very frustrating.
> /A
> 
> > 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Hi, Anders:
> > 
> > I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> > certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> > 
> > All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> > of VMware 10.1.1.
> > 
> > I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> > VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> > not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> > January.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >>> From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
> >>> virtual machine.
> >> But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed command 
> >> n i found a table with a lot of options.
> >> One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> >>> 
> >>> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I have 
> >>> found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> >>> 
> >>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
> >>>  
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
> >>> roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
> >>> meet a graphical challenge.
> >>> 
> >>> Let us know if you crack it.
> >>> 
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
> >>> The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> >>> 
> >>> Michael Hinson 2011
> >>> 
>  On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce   > wrote:
>  
>  Hello Janina,
>  
>  Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
>  manager to see the driver status.
>  
>  What the ….. is going on?
>  
>  
>  
>  Gena
>  
>  Call: M0EBP
>  Loc: IO83PS
>  
>  
>  
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> > partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> > headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound 
> > through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for the new 
> > device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have sound 
> > through an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a driver 
> > issue.
> > 
> > Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Georgina Joyce
> > Applied Psychologist
> > Training and Coaching.
> > Because individuals of groups matter!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> I think the blind keystrokes might be:
> >> 
> >> Open the run dialog box:
> >> cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
> >> 
> >> If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
> >> likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped 
> >> package so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of 
> >> things. Going by the article your run command should be:
> >> e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
> >> 
> >> Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
> >> opt Y i.e. alt y.
> >> 
> >> Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you 
> >> might need to:
> >> opt c i.e. alt c.
> >> 
> >> You might need to do a:
> >> opt f i.e alt f.
> >> 
> >> To finish.
> >> 
> >> Then a opt y i.e. alt 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Janina!
Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think i 
was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
Very frustrating.
/A

> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi, Anders:
> 
> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> 
> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> of VMware 10.1.1.
> 
> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> January.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>>> From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a virtual 
>>> machine.
>> But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed command n 
>> i found a table with a lot of options.
>> One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
>>> 
>>> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I have 
>>> found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
>>> 
>>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
>>> roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but meet 
>>> a graphical challenge.
>>> 
>>> Let us know if you crack it.
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. The 
>>> real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
>>> 
>>> Michael Hinson 2011
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello Janina,
 
 Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device manager 
 to see the driver status.
 
 What the ….. is going on?
 
 
 
 Gena
 
 Call: M0EBP
 Loc: IO83PS
 
 
 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound 
> through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for the new 
> device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have sound through 
> an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a driver issue.
> 
> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> I think the blind keystrokes might be:
>> 
>> Open the run dialog box:
>> cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
>> 
>> If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
>> likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped 
>> package so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of 
>> things. Going by the article your run command should be:
>> e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
>> 
>> Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
>> opt Y i.e. alt y.
>> 
>> Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might 
>> need to:
>> opt c i.e. alt c.
>> 
>> You might need to do a:
>> opt f i.e alt f.
>> 
>> To finish.
>> 
>> Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
>> 
>> Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you 
>> security to see what happens.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Gena
>> 
>> “Why not?”
>> 
>> Michael Hinson 2011
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Good to hear from you too.
>>> 
>>> Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
>>> drivers. You needed 

RE: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Simon Fogarty]

I know someone here in NZ who has had a similar situation on a reasonably new 
mac book,

 So it's not a device age issue it's to me a driver issue, surely then that 
would be a bootcamp driver which is of course an apple thing not windows.


-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, 12 January 2018 2:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

Yeah, Simon. It's easy to do.

Problem is that last time I had sighted assistance here, we finished the 
Windows installation with sighted help. We installed NVDA without speech. We 
confirmed that volume was not muted and was at around 50%.

Lastly, there's a "test" button on the Windows configuration screen that 
graphically shows some kind of progress indicator while sound is playing, so my 
sighted assistant could verify that Windows was playing sound.


I'm confident it's a driver issue, or a driver plus Windows security kind of 
combination issue.

There are those in the security community that consider audio a security risk. 
I've bumped heads with them before. I've still got the bruises!


Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hey ladys,
> I just had a crazy thought,
> 
> Janina,
> 
> Could you have muted the volume with f10?
> 
> Remember by deault the Function keys aren’t windows function keys 
> unless you hold down the fn key,
> 
> You can change this in the mac os under system preferences / keyboard,
> 
> Just a thought I’ve done this myself a couple of times.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:47 PM
> To: AppleVis List <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed 
> it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
> reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I 
> hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the 
> BCAB list also had problems too.
> 
> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> 
> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it once 
> and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in the right 
> place to enter such a command.
> 
> The command was:
> 
> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
> 
> 
> From:
> 
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-
> the-command-line
> 
> 
> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of 
> Windows 10 from within VMware.
> 
> I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to 
> work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a 
> brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
> 
> What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should 
> have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been 
> unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from 
> Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
> I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as 
> I was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
> 
> So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp 
> install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I 
> wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it 
> might be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
> 
> All help much appreciated.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:  http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative 
> (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures 
> http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Anders:

I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0

All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
of VMware 10.1.1.

I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
January.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> >From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a virtual 
> >machine.
> But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed command n 
> i found a table with a lot of options.
> One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
> /A
> 
> > 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> > 
> > My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I have 
> > found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> > 
> > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
> > roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but meet 
> > a graphical challenge.
> > 
> > Let us know if you crack it.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. The 
> > real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> > 
> > Michael Hinson 2011
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device manager 
> >> to see the driver status.
> >> 
> >> What the ….. is going on?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> Call: M0EBP
> >> Loc: IO83PS
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> >>> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> >>> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound 
> >>> through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for the new 
> >>> device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have sound through 
> >>> an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a driver issue.
> >>> 
> >>> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> Georgina Joyce
> >>> Applied Psychologist
> >>> Training and Coaching.
> >>> Because individuals of groups matter!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce   > wrote:
>  
>  Hello Janina,
>  
>  I think the blind keystrokes might be:
>  
>  Open the run dialog box:
>  cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
>  
>  If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
>  likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped 
>  package so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of 
>  things. Going by the article your run command should be:
>  e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
>  
>  Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
>  opt Y i.e. alt y.
>  
>  Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might 
>  need to:
>  opt c i.e. alt c.
>  
>  You might need to do a:
>  opt f i.e alt f.
>  
>  To finish.
>  
>  Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
>  
>  Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you 
>  security to see what happens.
>  
>  HTH
>  Gena
>  
>  “Why not?”
>  
>  Michael Hinson 2011
>  
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Good to hear from you too.
> > 
> > Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
> > drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out 
> > there. There must be a way of triggering the install from the run 
> > dialog. If that is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator 
> > support a USB headset would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset 
> > that has it’s own sound card for the installation?
> > 
> > Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
DO you have a braille display handy?
If not then forget my message.
/A

> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 14:24 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:
> 
> Yeah, Simon. It's easy to do.
> 
> Problem is that last time I had sighted assistance here, we finished the
> Windows installation with sighted help. We installed NVDA without
> speech. We confirmed that volume was not muted and was at around 50%.
> 
> Lastly, there's a "test" button on the Windows configuration screen that
> graphically shows some kind of progress indicator while sound is
> playing, so my sighted assistant could verify that Windows was playing
> sound.
> 
> 
> I'm confident it's a driver issue, or a driver plus Windows security
> kind of combination issue.
> 
> There are those in the security community that consider audio a security
> risk. I've bumped heads with them before. I've still got the bruises!
> 
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hey ladys,
>> I just had a crazy thought,
>> 
>> Janina,
>> 
>> Could you have muted the volume with f10?
>> 
>> Remember by deault the Function keys aren’t windows function keys unless you 
>> hold down the fn key,
>> 
>> You can change this in the mac os under system preferences / keyboard,
>> 
>> Just a thought I’ve done this myself a couple of times.
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:47 PM
>> To: AppleVis List <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp
>> 
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed 
>> it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
>> reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I 
>> hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the 
>> BCAB list also had problems too.
>> 
>> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
>> 
>> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it once 
>> and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in the 
>> right place to enter such a command.
>> 
>> The command was:
>> 
>> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
>> 
>> 
>> From:
>> 
>> 
>> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
>> 
>> 
>> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Georgina Joyce
>> Applied Psychologist
>> Training and Coaching.
>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
>> Windows 10 from within VMware.
>> 
>> I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
>> work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
>> brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
>> 
>> What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
>> have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
>> unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
>> Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
>> I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
>> was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
>> 
>> So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
>> install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
>> wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
>> be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
>> 
>> All help much appreciated.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Janina Sajka
>> 
>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:  http://a11y.org
>> 
>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
>> 
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>> Visionaries list.
>> 
>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
>From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a virtual 
>machine.
But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed command n i 
found a table with a lot of options.
One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
/A

> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> 
> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I have 
> found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> 
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
>  
> 
> 
> Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a roll 
> back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but meet a 
> graphical challenge.
> 
> Let us know if you crack it.
> 
> Gena
> 
> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. The 
> real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> 
> Michael Hinson 2011
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device manager 
>> to see the driver status.
>> 
>> What the ….. is going on?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Call: M0EBP
>> Loc: IO83PS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp partition 
>>> for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB headset that I 
>>> used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound through the headset 
>>> and NVDA announced installing software for the new device. So I have lost 
>>> sound via it’s own speakers and have sound through an independent sound 
>>> card. So you were right it’s a driver issue.
>>> 
>>> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> Georgina Joyce
>>> Applied Psychologist
>>> Training and Coaching.
>>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello Janina,
 
 I think the blind keystrokes might be:
 
 Open the run dialog box:
 cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
 
 If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
 likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped package 
 so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of things. Going 
 by the article your run command should be:
 e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
 
 Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
 opt Y i.e. alt y.
 
 Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might 
 need to:
 opt c i.e. alt c.
 
 You might need to do a:
 opt f i.e alt f.
 
 To finish.
 
 Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
 
 Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you 
 security to see what happens.
 
 HTH
 Gena
 
 “Why not?”
 
 Michael Hinson 2011
 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Good to hear from you too.
> 
> Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
> drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out 
> there. There must be a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. 
> If that is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator support a 
> USB headset would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset that has it’s 
> own sound card for the installation?
> 
> Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from 
> the run dialog.
> 
> See here:
> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
>> installed, get them installed.
>> 
>> All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
>> Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
>> way to know.
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>>> Did you 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, Simon. It's easy to do.

Problem is that last time I had sighted assistance here, we finished the
Windows installation with sighted help. We installed NVDA without
speech. We confirmed that volume was not muted and was at around 50%.

Lastly, there's a "test" button on the Windows configuration screen that
graphically shows some kind of progress indicator while sound is
playing, so my sighted assistant could verify that Windows was playing
sound.


I'm confident it's a driver issue, or a driver plus Windows security
kind of combination issue.

There are those in the security community that consider audio a security
risk. I've bumped heads with them before. I've still got the bruises!


Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hey ladys,
> I just had a crazy thought,
> 
> Janina,
> 
> Could you have muted the volume with f10?
> 
> Remember by deault the Function keys aren’t windows function keys unless you 
> hold down the fn key,
> 
> You can change this in the mac os under system preferences / keyboard,
> 
> Just a thought I’ve done this myself a couple of times.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:47 PM
> To: AppleVis List <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed 
> it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
> reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I 
> hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the 
> BCAB list also had problems too.
> 
> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> 
> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it once 
> and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in the right 
> place to enter such a command.
> 
> The command was:
> 
> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
> 
> 
> From:
> 
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
> 
> 
> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
> Windows 10 from within VMware.
> 
> I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
> work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
> brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
> 
> What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
> have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
> unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
> Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
> I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
> was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
> 
> So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
> install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
> wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
> be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
> 
> All help much appreciated.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:  http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
> 
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Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Simon. Another helpful suggestion.

Problem is Windows isn't supplying audio via the headphone jack, the 3.5
jack on the airbook. I have this wired to my physical Mackie 1202 mixer
on my desk. I love the sound and will probably keep this setup while the
Airbook is on my desk in my office.

High Sierra is having no problems sending output this way. Just Windows
is, though it did work during the first part of the Windows end of the
BootCamp install, and then briefly following successful Windows
installation.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  Do you still have the usb device you had to use when setting up the bootcamp 
> windows?
> 
> If so plug that in and also make sure your volume is set to loud like really 
> loud so you'll hear it in the next town,
> 
>  Then if you have audio through your headset go ot the usb and then into the 
> bootcamp folder and work through the drivers for the audio devices and see 
> what happens if you attempt to install them, try the real tech audio drivers 
> first and see what happens.
> 
> Hope that is of some hleep.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2018 2:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp
> 
> Hi, Gena:
> 
> Good to hear from you.
> 
> I'm pretty confident my problem is driver related for several reasons.
> 
> One is that I ended up using sighted assistance to finish the Windows 
> installation. It started out as the simple question: "Is anything on my 
> screen?" Well, what was there was th continuing Windows installation, and 
> Narrator wasn't responding.
> 
> We went ahead and finished, then looked at volume settings. It's definitely 
> not muted, and Narrator volume was at 50%. Also, running the speech test 
> showed graphic activity on screen, i.e. Windows annimates the speech so that 
> one can see that it's trying to talk, should you not be hearing the speech.
> 
> I'm still not clear why it started talking. It talked through a couple boots, 
> but then died quite suddenly while reading the login screen.
> 
> 
> OI went ahead an upgraded my VMware to 10.1.1, but I declined to pay until I 
> can be assured this is actually going to work. I'm not seeing where I can 
> access my BootCamp Windows from the 30-day trial VMware.
> 
> So, I guess I'm waiting for another shot at sighted assistance. I definitely 
> don't want to try reinstalling. That's been farr more miss than hit, and it's 
> taken far, far too much of my time in the past month.
> 
> Thanks for your good suggestions. They're certainly the things one should 
> try, and I especially appreciate that command.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Georgina Joyce writes:
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed 
> > it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
> > reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I 
> > hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the 
> > BCAB list also had problems too.
> > 
> > OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> > 
> > I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it 
> > once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in 
> > the right place to enter such a command.
> > 
> > The command was:
> > 
> > nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
> > 
> > From:
> > 
> > https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-
> > the-command-line 
> > <https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via
> > -the-command-line>
> > 
> > Good luck and let us know how you get on.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Georgina Joyce
> > Applied Psychologist
> > Training and Coaching.
> > Because individuals of groups matter!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of 
> > > Windows 10 from within VMware.
> > > 
> > > I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing 
> > > to work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked 
> > > for a brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
> > > 
> > > What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should 
> > > have been installed

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Wow, Gena. You're overdue for sleep. Sleep well, my friend.

You and I have the same vintage Airbooks. I'll check whether it's the
same audio. Mine was purchased early 2014, like February 2014, if memory
serves.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> 
> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I have 
> found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> 
> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
>  
> 
> 
> Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a roll 
> back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but meet a 
> graphical challenge.
> 
> Let us know if you crack it.
> 
> Gena
> 
> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. The 
> real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> 
> Michael Hinson 2011
> 
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device manager 
> > to see the driver status.
> > 
> > What the ….. is going on?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Call: M0EBP
> > Loc: IO83PS
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> >> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> >> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound 
> >> through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for the new 
> >> device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have sound through 
> >> an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a driver issue.
> >> 
> >> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> Georgina Joyce
> >> Applied Psychologist
> >> Training and Coaching.
> >> Because individuals of groups matter!
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> I think the blind keystrokes might be:
> >>> 
> >>> Open the run dialog box:
> >>> cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
> >>> 
> >>> If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
> >>> likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped package 
> >>> so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of things. 
> >>> Going by the article your run command should be:
> >>> e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
> >>> 
> >>> Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
> >>> opt Y i.e. alt y.
> >>> 
> >>> Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might 
> >>> need to:
> >>> opt c i.e. alt c.
> >>> 
> >>> You might need to do a:
> >>> opt f i.e alt f.
> >>> 
> >>> To finish.
> >>> 
> >>> Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
> >>> 
> >>> Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you 
> >>> security to see what happens.
> >>> 
> >>> HTH
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> “Why not?”
> >>> 
> >>> Michael Hinson 2011
> >>> 
>  On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce   > wrote:
>  
>  Hello Janina,
>  
>  Good to hear from you too.
>  
>  Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
>  drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out 
>  there. There must be a way of triggering the install from the run 
>  dialog. If that is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator 
>  support a USB headset would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset 
>  that has it’s own sound card for the installation?
>  
>  Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from 
>  the run dialog.
>  
>  See here:
>  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  Gena
>  
>  Call: M0EBP
>  Loc: IO83PS
>  
>  
>  
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
> > installed, get them installed.
> > 
> > All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
> > Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
> > way to know.
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Did 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Do you, does anyone, have the phone number to the Microsoft
Accessibility support desk? That's probably the quickest way to learn
where/how to file the bug.

I know they have a U.S. based team, in Devner if memory serves, for
accessibility support. I don't currently have a Microsoft person on any
of my working standards committees, or I'd go that route.

I do think it worthwile, and I will follow up to get this info in a
readily accessible note. Microsoft has become active in upgrading their
accessibility support, and that's a good thing.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device manager to 
> see the driver status.
> 
> What the ….. is going on?
> 
> 
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp partition 
> > for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB headset that I 
> > used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound through the headset 
> > and NVDA announced installing software for the new device. So I have lost 
> > sound via it’s own speakers and have sound through an independent sound 
> > card. So you were right it’s a driver issue.
> > 
> > Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Georgina Joyce
> > Applied Psychologist
> > Training and Coaching.
> > Because individuals of groups matter!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> I think the blind keystrokes might be:
> >> 
> >> Open the run dialog box:
> >> cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
> >> 
> >> If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
> >> likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped package 
> >> so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of things. Going 
> >> by the article your run command should be:
> >> e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
> >> 
> >> Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
> >> opt Y i.e. alt y.
> >> 
> >> Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might 
> >> need to:
> >> opt c i.e. alt c.
> >> 
> >> You might need to do a:
> >> opt f i.e alt f.
> >> 
> >> To finish.
> >> 
> >> Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
> >> 
> >> Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you 
> >> security to see what happens.
> >> 
> >> HTH
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> “Why not?”
> >> 
> >> Michael Hinson 2011
> >> 
> >>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Good to hear from you too.
> >>> 
> >>> Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
> >>> drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out 
> >>> there. There must be a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. 
> >>> If that is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator support a 
> >>> USB headset would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset that has it’s 
> >>> own sound card for the installation?
> >>> 
> >>> Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from 
> >>> the run dialog.
> >>> 
> >>> See here:
> >>> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> Call: M0EBP
> >>> Loc: IO83PS
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>    > wrote:
>  
>  Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
>  installed, get them installed.
>  
>  All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
>  Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
>  way to know.
>  
>  Jonathan Cohn writes:
> > Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do 
> > this, but I understand that sound will not work correctly until the 
> > bootcamp drivers are installed once the OS has been installed.
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and 
> >> blamed it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have 
> >> removed and reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really 
> >> played with it. So I hope I don’t experience the muting of sound 
> >> again. I’m sure someone on the BCAB list also had problems too.
> 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for the confirmation, Gena. Glad to know I'm not the lone
stranger!

As to why Windows would do this, I would suspect some kind of default
Windows Defender security setting. But, they should add logic to not
mess with audio when a screen reader process is running. That's likely a
bug that should be filed.

I think they would respond to such a bug. They have worked to make
screen reader mediated installation possible. So, this is a finishing
touch they need to add.

One of us should probably file the bug. At the moment, I'm more
interested in getting mine going because work that requires Windows is
piling up. But, I want to make sure it's filed. So, if you, or someone
else files this bug, please advise.

Thanks again for seeing this through.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp partition 
> for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB headset that I 
> used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound through the headset 
> and NVDA announced installing software for the new device. So I have lost 
> sound via it’s own speakers and have sound through an independent sound card. 
> So you were right it’s a driver issue.
> 
> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > I think the blind keystrokes might be:
> > 
> > Open the run dialog box:
> > cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
> > 
> > If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
> > likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped package 
> > so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of things. Going 
> > by the article your run command should be:
> > e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
> > 
> > Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
> > opt Y i.e. alt y.
> > 
> > Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might 
> > need to:
> > opt c i.e. alt c.
> > 
> > You might need to do a:
> > opt f i.e alt f.
> > 
> > To finish.
> > 
> > Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
> > 
> > Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you 
> > security to see what happens.
> > 
> > HTH
> > Gena
> > 
> > “Why not?”
> > 
> > Michael Hinson 2011
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> Good to hear from you too.
> >> 
> >> Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
> >> drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out there. 
> >> There must be a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. If that 
> >> is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator support a USB 
> >> headset would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset that has it’s own 
> >> sound card for the installation?
> >> 
> >> Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from 
> >> the run dialog.
> >> 
> >> See here:
> >> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> Call: M0EBP
> >> Loc: IO83PS
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
> >>> installed, get them installed.
> >>> 
> >>> All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
> >>> Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
> >>> way to know.
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>  Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, 
>  but I understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp 
>  drivers are installed once the OS has been installed.
>  
>   Best wishes,
>  
>  Jonathan Cohn
>  
>  
>  
> > On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and 
> > blamed it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have 
> > removed and reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really 
> > played with it. So I hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. 
> > I’m sure someone on the BCAB list also had problems too.
> > 
> > OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> > 
> > I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it 
> > once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t 
> > in the right place to enter such a 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yet more great suggestions, Gena. Thanks! I'll try this approach if the
USB headphone fails.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> I think the blind keystrokes might be:
> 
> Open the run dialog box:
> cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
> 
> If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is likely 
> to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped package so you’ll 
> need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of things. Going by the 
> article your run command should be:
> e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
> 
> Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
> opt Y i.e. alt y.
> 
> Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might need 
> to:
> opt c i.e. alt c.
> 
> You might need to do a:
> opt f i.e alt f.
> 
> To finish.
> 
> Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
> 
> Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you security 
> to see what happens.
> 
> HTH
> Gena
> 
> “Why not?”
> 
> Michael Hinson 2011
> 
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Good to hear from you too.
> > 
> > Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
> > drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out there. 
> > There must be a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. If that 
> > is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator support a USB 
> > headset would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset that has it’s own 
> > sound card for the installation?
> > 
> > Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from the 
> > run dialog.
> > 
> > See here:
> > https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Call: M0EBP
> > Loc: IO83PS
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >> > 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
> >> installed, get them installed.
> >> 
> >> All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
> >> Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
> >> way to know.
> >> 
> >> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >>> Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, 
> >>> but I understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp 
> >>> drivers are installed once the OS has been installed.
> >>> 
> >>>   Best wishes,
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce   > wrote:
>  
>  Hello Janina,
>  
>  Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and 
>  blamed it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have 
>  removed and reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played 
>  with it. So I hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m 
>  sure someone on the BCAB list also had problems too.
>  
>  OK, so have you tried Narrator?
>  
>  I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it 
>  once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in 
>  the right place to enter such a command.
>  
>  The command was:
>  
>  nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
>  
>  From:
>  
>  https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
>   
>  
>   
>     
>  >
>  
>  Good luck and let us know how you get on.
>  
>  Gena
>  
>  Georgina Joyce
>  Applied Psychologist
>  Training and Coaching.
>  Because individuals of groups matter!
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  >  >  >> wrote:
> > 
> > I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
> > Windows 10 from within VMware.
> > 
> > I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
> > work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
> > brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
> > 
> > What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
> > have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
> > unable to verify that. 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Gena:

Well, you're giving me a great idea I hadn't tried.

So far, I've been using audio via the 3.5 jack output to my Mackie mixer
and then to speakers. But, I hadn't thought to try using one of my USB
headphone devices. I have a few of those and will give that a try and
report after I do.

Thanks for the great ovgious idea! Amazing how one can forget the most
obvious stuff so often! 

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Good to hear from you too.
> 
> Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp drivers. 
> You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out there. There must 
> be a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. If that is the sate 
> of the machine like installs with Narrator support a USB headset would 
> provide audio. Did you use a USB headset that has it’s own sound card for the 
> installation?
> 
> Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from the 
> run dialog.
> 
> See here:
> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
> > installed, get them installed.
> > 
> > All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
> > Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
> > way to know.
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, 
> >> but I understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp 
> >> drivers are installed once the OS has been installed.
> >> 
> >>Best wishes,
> >> 
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and 
> >>> blamed it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have 
> >>> removed and reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played 
> >>> with it. So I hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure 
> >>> someone on the BCAB list also had problems too.
> >>> 
> >>> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> >>> 
> >>> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it 
> >>> once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in 
> >>> the right place to enter such a command.
> >>> 
> >>> The command was:
> >>> 
> >>> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
> >>> 
> >>> From:
> >>> 
> >>> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
> >>>  
> >>> 
> >>>  
> >>>  >>>  
> >>> >
> >>> 
> >>> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
> >>> 
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> Georgina Joyce
> >>> Applied Psychologist
> >>> Training and Coaching.
> >>> Because individuals of groups matter!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>       >> wrote:
>  
>  I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
>  Windows 10 from within VMware.
>  
>  I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
>  work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
>  brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
>  
>  What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
>  have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
>  unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
>  Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
>  I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
>  was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
>  
>  So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
>  install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
>  wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
>  be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
>  
>  All help much appreciated.
>  
>  Janina
>  
>  
>  -- 
>  
>  Janina Sajka
>  
>  Linux Foundation Fellow
>  Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:http://a11y.org 
>  

RE: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Simon Fogarty]

Hey ladys,
I just had a crazy thought,

Janina,

Could you have muted the volume with f10?

Remember by deault the Function keys aren’t windows function keys unless you 
hold down the fn key,

You can change this in the mac os under system preferences / keyboard,

Just a thought I’ve done this myself a couple of times.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:47 PM
To: AppleVis List <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

Hello Janina,

Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed it 
on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I hope 
I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the BCAB list 
also had problems too.

OK, so have you tried Narrator?

I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it once 
and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in the right 
place to enter such a command.

The command was:

nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0


From:


https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line


Good luck and let us know how you get on.

Gena

Georgina Joyce
Applied Psychologist
Training and Coaching.
Because individuals of groups matter!




On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
Windows 10 from within VMware.

I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.

What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.

So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?

All help much appreciated.

Janina


--

Janina Sajka

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:  http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa

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RE: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

 Do you still have the usb device you had to use when setting up the bootcamp 
windows?

If so plug that in and also make sure your volume is set to loud like really 
loud so you'll hear it in the next town,

 Then if you have audio through your headset go ot the usb and then into the 
bootcamp folder and work through the drivers for the audio devices and see what 
happens if you attempt to install them, try the real tech audio drivers first 
and see what happens.

Hope that is of some hleep.
-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 11 January 2018 2:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

Hi, Gena:

Good to hear from you.

I'm pretty confident my problem is driver related for several reasons.

One is that I ended up using sighted assistance to finish the Windows 
installation. It started out as the simple question: "Is anything on my 
screen?" Well, what was there was th continuing Windows installation, and 
Narrator wasn't responding.

We went ahead and finished, then looked at volume settings. It's definitely not 
muted, and Narrator volume was at 50%. Also, running the speech test showed 
graphic activity on screen, i.e. Windows annimates the speech so that one can 
see that it's trying to talk, should you not be hearing the speech.

I'm still not clear why it started talking. It talked through a couple boots, 
but then died quite suddenly while reading the login screen.


OI went ahead an upgraded my VMware to 10.1.1, but I declined to pay until I 
can be assured this is actually going to work. I'm not seeing where I can 
access my BootCamp Windows from the 30-day trial VMware.

So, I guess I'm waiting for another shot at sighted assistance. I definitely 
don't want to try reinstalling. That's been farr more miss than hit, and it's 
taken far, far too much of my time in the past month.

Thanks for your good suggestions. They're certainly the things one should try, 
and I especially appreciate that command.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed 
> it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
> reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I 
> hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the 
> BCAB list also had problems too.
> 
> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> 
> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it once 
> and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in the right 
> place to enter such a command.
> 
> The command was:
> 
> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
> 
> From:
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-
> the-command-line 
> <https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via
> -the-command-line>
> 
> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of 
> > Windows 10 from within VMware.
> > 
> > I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing 
> > to work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked 
> > for a brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
> > 
> > What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should 
> > have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've 
> > been unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no 
> > sound from Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation 
> > there.
> > I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me 
> > as I was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
> > 
> > So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp 
> > install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I 
> > wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it 
> > might be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
> > 
> > All help much appreciated.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Janina Sajka
> > 
> > Linux Foundation Fellow
> > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:   http://a11y.org
> > 
> > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> > Chair, A

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Janina,

Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.

My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I have found 
several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
 


Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a roll 
back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but meet a 
graphical challenge.

Let us know if you crack it.

Gena

“Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. The 
real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”

Michael Hinson 2011

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device manager to 
> see the driver status.
> 
> What the ….. is going on?
> 
> 
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp partition 
>> for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB headset that I 
>> used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound through the headset 
>> and NVDA announced installing software for the new device. So I have lost 
>> sound via it’s own speakers and have sound through an independent sound 
>> card. So you were right it’s a driver issue.
>> 
>> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Georgina Joyce
>> Applied Psychologist
>> Training and Coaching.
>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> I think the blind keystrokes might be:
>>> 
>>> Open the run dialog box:
>>> cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
>>> 
>>> If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
>>> likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped package 
>>> so you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of things. Going 
>>> by the article your run command should be:
>>> e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
>>> 
>>> Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
>>> opt Y i.e. alt y.
>>> 
>>> Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might 
>>> need to:
>>> opt c i.e. alt c.
>>> 
>>> You might need to do a:
>>> opt f i.e alt f.
>>> 
>>> To finish.
>>> 
>>> Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
>>> 
>>> Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you 
>>> security to see what happens.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> “Why not?”
>>> 
>>> Michael Hinson 2011
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello Janina,
 
 Good to hear from you too.
 
 Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
 drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out there. 
 There must be a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. If that 
 is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator support a USB 
 headset would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset that has it’s own 
 sound card for the installation?
 
 Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from 
 the run dialog.
 
 See here:
 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
 
 
 
 
 Gena
 
 Call: M0EBP
 Loc: IO83PS
 
 
 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
> installed, get them installed.
> 
> All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
> Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
> way to know.
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, 
>> but I understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp 
>> drivers are installed once the OS has been installed.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and 
>>> blamed 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Janina,

Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device manager to 
see the driver status.

What the ….. is going on?



Gena

Call: M0EBP
Loc: IO83PS



> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp partition 
> for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB headset that I 
> used to install Windows. It made the new hardware sound through the headset 
> and NVDA announced installing software for the new device. So I have lost 
> sound via it’s own speakers and have sound through an independent sound card. 
> So you were right it’s a driver issue.
> 
> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> I think the blind keystrokes might be:
>> 
>> Open the run dialog box:
>> cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
>> 
>> If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is 
>> likely to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped package so 
>> you’ll need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of things. Going by 
>> the article your run command should be:
>> e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
>> 
>> Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
>> opt Y i.e. alt y.
>> 
>> Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might 
>> need to:
>> opt c i.e. alt c.
>> 
>> You might need to do a:
>> opt f i.e alt f.
>> 
>> To finish.
>> 
>> Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
>> 
>> Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you security 
>> to see what happens.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Gena
>> 
>> “Why not?”
>> 
>> Michael Hinson 2011
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Good to hear from you too.
>>> 
>>> Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
>>> drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out there. 
>>> There must be a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. If that 
>>> is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator support a USB 
>>> headset would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset that has it’s own 
>>> sound card for the installation?
>>> 
>>> Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from the 
>>> run dialog.
>>> 
>>> See here:
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> Call: M0EBP
>>> Loc: IO83PS
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 > 
 wrote:
 
 Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
 installed, get them installed.
 
 All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
 Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
 way to know.
 
 Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, 
> but I understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp 
> drivers are installed once the OS has been installed.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and 
>> blamed it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have 
>> removed and reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played 
>> with it. So I hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m 
>> sure someone on the BCAB list also had problems too.
>> 
>> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
>> 
>> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it 
>> once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in 
>> the right place to enter such a command.
>> 
>> The command was:
>> 
>> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
>> 
>> From:
>> 
>> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> >  
>> >
>> 
>> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Janina,

Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp partition for 
about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB headset that I used to 
install Windows. It made the new hardware sound through the headset and NVDA 
announced installing software for the new device. So I have lost sound via it’s 
own speakers and have sound through an independent sound card. So you were 
right it’s a driver issue.

Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?

Regards,


Gena

Georgina Joyce
Applied Psychologist
Training and Coaching.
Because individuals of groups matter!





> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> I think the blind keystrokes might be:
> 
> Open the run dialog box:
> cmd r, i.e. Windows r.
> 
> If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is likely 
> to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped package so you’ll 
> need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of things. Going by the 
> article your run command should be:
> e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext
> 
> Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
> opt Y i.e. alt y.
> 
> Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might need 
> to:
> opt c i.e. alt c.
> 
> You might need to do a:
> opt f i.e alt f.
> 
> To finish.
> 
> Then a opt y i.e. alt y.
> 
> Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you security 
> to see what happens.
> 
> HTH
> Gena
> 
> “Why not?”
> 
> Michael Hinson 2011
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> Good to hear from you too.
>> 
>> Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp 
>> drivers. You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out there. 
>> There must be a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. If that 
>> is the sate of the machine like installs with Narrator support a USB headset 
>> would provide audio. Did you use a USB headset that has it’s own sound card 
>> for the installation?
>> 
>> Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from the 
>> run dialog.
>> 
>> See here:
>> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>> Call: M0EBP
>> Loc: IO83PS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> > 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
>>> installed, get them installed.
>>> 
>>> All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
>>> Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
>>> way to know.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
 Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, 
 but I understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp 
 drivers are installed once the OS has been installed.
 
Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and 
> blamed it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have 
> removed and reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played 
> with it. So I hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure 
> someone on the BCAB list also had problems too.
> 
> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> 
> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it 
> once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in 
> the right place to enter such a command.
> 
> The command was:
> 
> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
> 
> From:
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
>  
> 
>  
>   
> >
> 
> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> > >  >> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Janina,

I think the blind keystrokes might be:

Open the run dialog box:
cmd r, i.e. Windows r.

If you have a cd/DVD version the USB will be assigned E:\ if not it is likely 
to be d:\. I don’t know the path structure of the unzipped package so you’ll 
need to know it by exploring it on the Mac side of things. Going by the article 
your run command should be:
e:\windowsSupport\setup.ext

Windows will want you to allow changes so you need:
opt Y i.e. alt y.

Then the article suggests you might need to click continue, so you might need 
to:
opt c i.e. alt c.

You might need to do a:
opt f i.e alt f.

To finish.

Then a opt y i.e. alt y.

Answering yes to a reboot. Then hold on to something that gives you security to 
see what happens.

HTH
Gena

“Why not?”

Michael Hinson 2011

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Good to hear from you too.
> 
> Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp drivers. 
> You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out there. There must 
> be a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. If that is the sate 
> of the machine like installs with Narrator support a USB headset would 
> provide audio. Did you use a USB headset that has it’s own sound card for the 
> installation?
> 
> Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from the 
> run dialog.
> 
> See here:
> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
>> installed, get them installed.
>> 
>> All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
>> Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
>> way to know.
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>>> Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, 
>>> but I understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp 
>>> drivers are installed once the OS has been installed.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello Janina,
 
 Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and 
 blamed it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have 
 removed and reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played 
 with it. So I hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure 
 someone on the BCAB list also had problems too.
 
 OK, so have you tried Narrator?
 
 I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it 
 once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in 
 the right place to enter such a command.
 
 The command was:
 
 nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
 
 From:
 
 https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
  
 
  
 >
 
 Good luck and let us know how you get on.
 
 Gena
 
 Georgina Joyce
 Applied Psychologist
 Training and Coaching.
 Because individuals of groups matter!
 
 
 
 
 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>    >> wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
> Windows 10 from within VMware.
> 
> I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
> work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
> brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
> 
> What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
> have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
> unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
> Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
> I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
> was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
> 
> So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
> install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Janina,

Good to hear from you too.

Yes the first thing that needs to be done is to install the bootcamp drivers. 
You needed to go to the system tray and bootcamp hangs out there. There must be 
a way of triggering the install from the run dialog. If that is the sate of the 
machine like installs with Narrator support a USB headset would provide audio. 
Did you use a USB headset that has it’s own sound card for the installation?

Looking on the web I think you should be able to run the setup.exe from the run 
dialog.

See here:
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923 




Gena

Call: M0EBP
Loc: IO83PS



> On 10 Jan 2018, at 13:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
> installed, get them installed.
> 
> All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
> Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
> way to know.
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, but 
>> I understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp drivers 
>> are installed once the OS has been installed.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed 
>>> it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
>>> reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I 
>>> hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the 
>>> BCAB list also had problems too.
>>> 
>>> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
>>> 
>>> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it 
>>> once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in 
>>> the right place to enter such a command.
>>> 
>>> The command was:
>>> 
>>> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
>>> 
>>> From:
>>> 
>>> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> >>  
>>> >
>>> 
>>> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> Georgina Joyce
>>> Applied Psychologist
>>> Training and Coaching.
>>> Because individuals of groups matter!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 >> wrote:
 
 I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
 Windows 10 from within VMware.
 
 I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
 work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
 brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
 
 What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
 have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
 unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
 Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
 I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
 was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
 
 So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
 install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
 wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
 be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
 
 All help much appreciated.
 
 Janina
 
 
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 Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:  http://a11y.org 
 >
 
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Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, that's what I need to check and confirm. And, if not already
installed, get them installed.

All I know is that that box was checked when I started the process.
Whether it succeeded, or was somehow interrupted or aborted, I have no
way to know.

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, but 
> I understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp drivers 
> are installed once the OS has been installed.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed 
> > it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
> > reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I 
> > hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the 
> > BCAB list also had problems too.
> > 
> > OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> > 
> > I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it 
> > once and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in 
> > the right place to enter such a command.
> > 
> > The command was:
> > 
> > nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
> > 
> > From:
> > 
> > https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Good luck and let us know how you get on.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Georgina Joyce
> > Applied Psychologist
> > Training and Coaching.
> > Because individuals of groups matter!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >> > 
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
> >> Windows 10 from within VMware.
> >> 
> >> I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
> >> work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
> >> brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
> >> 
> >> What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
> >> have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
> >> unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
> >> Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
> >> I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
> >> was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
> >> 
> >> So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
> >> install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
> >> wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
> >> be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
> >> 
> >> All help much appreciated.
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> 
> >> Janina Sajka
> >> 
> >> Linux Foundation Fellow
> >> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:  http://a11y.org 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> >> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures   http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Gena:

Good to hear from you.

I'm pretty confident my problem is driver related for several reasons.

One is that I ended up using sighted assistance to finish the Windows
installation. It started out as the simple question: "Is anything on my
screen?" Well, what was there was th continuing Windows installation,
and Narrator wasn't responding.

We went ahead and finished, then looked at volume settings. It's
definitely not muted, and Narrator volume was at 50%. Also, running the
speech test showed graphic activity on screen, i.e. Windows annimates
the speech so that one can see that it's trying to talk, should you not
be hearing the speech.

I'm still not clear why it started talking. It talked through a couple
boots, but then died quite suddenly while reading the login screen.


OI went ahead an upgraded my VMware to 10.1.1, but I declined to pay
until I can be assured this is actually going to work. I'm not seeing
where I can access my BootCamp Windows from the 30-day trial VMware.

So, I guess I'm waiting for another shot at sighted assistance. I
definitely don't want to try reinstalling. That's been farr more miss
than hit, and it's taken far, far too much of my time in the past month.

Thanks for your good suggestions. They're certainly the things one
should try, and I especially appreciate that command.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed 
> it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
> reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I 
> hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the 
> BCAB list also had problems too.
> 
> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> 
> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it once 
> and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in the right 
> place to enter such a command.
> 
> The command was:
> 
> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
> 
> From:
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
>  
> 
> 
> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
> > Windows 10 from within VMware.
> > 
> > I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
> > work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
> > brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
> > 
> > What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
> > have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
> > unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
> > Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
> > I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
> > was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
> > 
> > So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
> > install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
> > wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
> > be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
> > 
> > All help much appreciated.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
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Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Jonathan Cohn]

Did you install the bootcamp drivers? I am not sure exactly how do this, but I 
understand that sound will not work correctly until the bootcamp drivers are 
installed once the OS has been installed.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 10, 2018, at 5:46 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed 
> it on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
> reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I 
> hope I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the 
> BCAB list also had problems too.
> 
> OK, so have you tried Narrator?
> 
> I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it once 
> and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in the right 
> place to enter such a command.
> 
> The command was:
> 
> nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0
> 
> From:
> 
> https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
>  
> 
> 
> Good luck and let us know how you get on.
> 
> Gena
> 
> Georgina Joyce
> Applied Psychologist
> Training and Coaching.
> Because individuals of groups matter!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
>> Windows 10 from within VMware.
>> 
>> I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
>> work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
>> brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
>> 
>> What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
>> have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
>> unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
>> Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
>> I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
>> was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
>> 
>> So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
>> install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
>> wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
>> be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
>> 
>> All help much appreciated.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Janina Sajka
>> 
>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:http://a11y.org 
>> 
>> 
>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Georgina Joyce]

Hello Janina,

Interestingly, I lost sound on my bootcamp install of Windows 10 and blamed it 
on activation of jaws. The volume was muted twice. I have removed and 
reinstalled Windows and installed NVDA but not really played with it. So I hope 
I don’t experience the muting of sound again. I’m sure someone on the BCAB list 
also had problems too.

OK, so have you tried Narrator?

I did find a command line to change the mute status but I only tried it once 
and it did not return sound, reasoning that I mistyped or wasn’t in the right 
place to enter such a command.

The command was:

nircmd.exe mutesysvolume 0

From:

https://superuser.com/questions/42039/change-windows-sound-volume-via-the-command-line
 


Good luck and let us know how you get on.

Gena

Georgina Joyce
Applied Psychologist
Training and Coaching.
Because individuals of groups matter!





> On 10 Jan 2018, at 03:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
> Windows 10 from within VMware.
> 
> I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
> work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
> brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.
> 
> What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
> have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
> unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
> Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
> I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
> was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.
> 
> So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
> install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
> wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
> be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?
> 
> All help much appreciated.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka
> 
> Linux Foundation Fellow
> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> 
> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures  http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm wondering whether it makes sense to doctor a BootCamp install of
Windows 10 from within VMware.

I've encountered the situation where my headphone jack is refusing to
work for my existing BootCamp install of Windows 10. It worked for a
brief while, then stopped. Nothing I've tried has brought it back.

What I need to do is to apply Apple's BootCamp drivers. These should
have been installed via the BootCamp process, of course, but I've been
unable to verify that. Certainly, at the moment there's no sound from
Windows, though I've verified there is a working installation there.
I've actually poked around in it with NVDA. It literally died on me as I
was trying to login with my BootCamp drivers at hand on a USB stick.

So, my question. Can I apply these drivers if I load up my BootCamp
install within the latest VMware? I'm presuming it reads apfs. But I
wonder whether it would go silent the same way, or perhaps that it might
be using different drivers at that level. Anyone know?

All help much appreciated.

Janina


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