Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-15 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello James,

To read articles on the Web, I switch to DOM mode using a keyboard commander 
hot key I've created. I then use the Web Rotor to select the level 1 heading 
with which most articles begin. I use VO-a to read the article.

In general, I prefer Group mode, but when reading articles, group mode puts all 
links together at the end of each paragraph turning the whole thing into 
nonsense.

Cheers,

Anne

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VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread James Nash
Hi list, 

Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line 
in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it 
informing me of some information that I am unaware of?

Thanks 

TC

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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread carlene knight
Hi James;

Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button 
you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that line 
you just read.  For instance if you were reading newspaper article about an 
ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous article.  
Clicking on it would take you to that article.  What you were reading must have 
a lot of references..  HOpe that helps.
On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:

 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every line 
 in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or is it 
 informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread James Nash
Hi carlene

Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every 
line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will go 
back and check.

Thanks again

TC
James 
On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote:

 Hi James;
 
 Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button 
 you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that 
 line you just read.  For instance if you were reading newspaper article about 
 an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous 
 article.  Clicking on it would take you to that article.  What you were 
 reading must have a lot of references..  HOpe that helps.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every 
 line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or 
 is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
 James 
 
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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread carlene knight
What's the URL?  Now you've got me curious.
On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James  Nash wrote:

 Hi carlene
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that every 
 line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? I will 
 go back and check.
 
 Thanks again
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi James;
 
 Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or button 
 you can click on for more information about the particular subject of that 
 line you just read.  For instance if you were reading newspaper article 
 about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a previous 
 article.  Clicking on it would take you to that article.  What you were 
 reading must have a lot of references..  HOpe that helps.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every 
 line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or 
 is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread James Nash
Hi carlene,

You can pick any news story on the BBC site, but here is the article I was 
reading. I would be curious to see if you get the same results as I did. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8411318.stm

Thanks for your help
TC
James 
On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:50, carlene knight wrote:

 What's the URL?  Now you've got me curious.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi carlene
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that 
 every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? 
 I will go back and check.
 
 Thanks again
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi James;
 
 Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or 
 button you can click on for more information about the particular subject 
 of that line you just read.  For instance if you were reading newspaper 
 article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a 
 previous article.  Clicking on it would take you to that article.  What you 
 were reading must have a lot of references..  HOpe that helps.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every 
 line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or 
 is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
 James 
 
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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
HI,

I see that a lot of the time on news pages. Danish ones in particular, really.

Regards,
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:50 PM, carlene knight wrote:

 What's the URL?  Now you've got me curious.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi carlene
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that 
 every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would it? 
 I will go back and check.
 
 Thanks again
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi James;
 
 Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or 
 button you can click on for more information about the particular subject 
 of that line you just read.  For instance if you were reading newspaper 
 article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing a 
 previous article.  Clicking on it would take you to that article.  What you 
 were reading must have a lot of references..  HOpe that helps.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every 
 line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off or 
 is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread Nicolai Svendsen
Hi,

Yeah, that's the interesting part.

Regards,
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On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:05 PM, James  Nash wrote:

 Hi Nic,
 
 Generally, these instances of clickable  do not seem to be clickable in 
 fact lol.
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 HI,
 
 I see that a lot of the time on news pages. Danish ones in particular, 
 really.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
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 On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:50 PM, carlene knight wrote:
 
 What's the URL?  Now you've got me curious.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi carlene
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that 
 every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would 
 it? I will go back and check.
 
 Thanks again
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi James;
 
 Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or 
 button you can click on for more information about the particular subject 
 of that line you just read.  For instance if you were reading newspaper 
 article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing 
 a previous article.  Clicking on it would take you to that article.  What 
 you were reading must have a lot of references..  HOpe that helps.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every 
 line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off 
 or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread carlene knight
What I do when I hear clickable and I might be interested is to click the mouse 
button with numbed 5 if  you have the numbed commander on or Vo/shift/space if 
not.  That seems to work the best.


On Dec 14, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Yeah, that's the interesting part.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:05 PM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi Nic,
 
 Generally, these instances of clickable  do not seem to be clickable in 
 fact lol.
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 HI,
 
 I see that a lot of the time on news pages. Danish ones in particular, 
 really.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:50 PM, carlene knight wrote:
 
 What's the URL?  Now you've got me curious.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi carlene
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that 
 every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would 
 it? I will go back and check.
 
 Thanks again
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi James;
 
 Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or 
 button you can click on for more information about the particular 
 subject of that line you just read.  For instance if you were reading 
 newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when 
 referencing a previous article.  Clicking on it would take you to that 
 article.  What you were reading must have a lot of references..  HOpe 
 that helps.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading 
 every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning 
 it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread James Nash
Hi Carlene, 

No, I didn't use VO A to rea the article, I used the VO navigation to read it. 
Thank you for all of your help. I am a long time Mac user, but have only 
recently come back to the Mac.
TC
James
On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:06, carlene knight wrote:

 Hi James;
 
 I didn't encounter them in the article itself, but the page is full of them.  
 Did you use VO/a to read the article once you got to it?  That's what I did.  
 I wonder if somehow your display is set differently so that you are seeing 
 all of those clickable objects that might be at the end of each line?  I 
 notice there are several ways you can view the page.  I didn't choose low 
 graphics, accessibility, or anything else.  I'll have to think on it though I 
 am no expert and am a new Mac user myself.
 
 
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:56 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi carlene,
 
 You can pick any news story on the BBC site, but here is the article I was 
 reading. I would be curious to see if you get the same results as I did. 
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8411318.stm
 
 Thanks for your help
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:50, carlene knight wrote:
 
 What's the URL?  Now you've got me curious.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi carlene
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that 
 every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would 
 it? I will go back and check.
 
 Thanks again
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi James;
 
 Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or 
 button you can click on for more information about the particular subject 
 of that line you just read.  For instance if you were reading newspaper 
 article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when referencing 
 a previous article.  Clicking on it would take you to that article.  What 
 you were reading must have a lot of references..  HOpe that helps.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading every 
 line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning it off 
 or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread James Nash
Thanks Carlene,

TC
James 
On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:53, carlene knight wrote:

 What I do when I hear clickable and I might be interested is to click the 
 mouse button with numbed 5 if  you have the numbed commander on or 
 Vo/shift/space if not.  That seems to work the best.
 
 
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 Yeah, that's the interesting part.
 
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 On Dec 14, 2009, at 9:05 PM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi Nic,
 
 Generally, these instances of clickable  do not seem to be clickable in 
 fact lol.
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:02, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 HI,
 
 I see that a lot of the time on news pages. Danish ones in particular, 
 really.
 
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 On Dec 14, 2009, at 8:50 PM, carlene knight wrote:
 
 What's the URL?  Now you've got me curious.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi carlene
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that 
 every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would 
 it? I will go back and check.
 
 Thanks again
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi James;
 
 Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or 
 button you can click on for more information about the particular 
 subject of that line you just read.  For instance if you were reading 
 newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when 
 referencing a previous article.  Clicking on it would take you to that 
 article.  What you were reading must have a lot of references..  HOpe 
 that helps.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading 
 every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning 
 it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
 James 
 
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Re: VO says clickable after reading every line in an article on the web

2009-12-14 Thread carlene knight
Maybe the VO navigation reads it differently.  Come to think of it, I had a 
bunch of graphics or something in an article a while back so I stopped reading 
text that way.  I had forgotten about that.  I use the item chooser if I know 
the subject of the article that I want to read an once I get to the text, I hit 
enter to select it and then VO/a to read it to the end.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 2:42 PM, James  Nash wrote:

 Hi Carlene, 
 
 No, I didn't use VO A to rea the article, I used the VO navigation to read 
 it. Thank you for all of your help. I am a long time Mac user, but have only 
 recently come back to the Mac.
 TC
 James
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:06, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi James;
 
 I didn't encounter them in the article itself, but the page is full of them. 
  Did you use VO/a to read the article once you got to it?  That's what I 
 did.  I wonder if somehow your display is set differently so that you are 
 seeing all of those clickable objects that might be at the end of each line? 
  I notice there are several ways you can view the page.  I didn't choose low 
 graphics, accessibility, or anything else.  I'll have to think on it though 
 I am no expert and am a new Mac user myself.
 
 
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:56 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi carlene,
 
 You can pick any news story on the BBC site, but here is the article I was 
 reading. I would be curious to see if you get the same results as I did. 
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8411318.stm
 
 Thanks for your help
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:50, carlene knight wrote:
 
 What's the URL?  Now you've got me curious.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:45 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi carlene
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. This makes sense, but i don't think that 
 every line on a BBC news article would have a link attached to it would 
 it? I will go back and check.
 
 Thanks again
 
 TC
 James 
 On 14 Dec 2009, at 19:31, carlene knight wrote:
 
 Hi James;
 
 Usually when that happens it is informing you that there is a link or 
 button you can click on for more information about the particular 
 subject of that line you just read.  For instance if you were reading 
 newspaper article about an ongoing news story, you might see this when 
 referencing a previous article.  Clicking on it would take you to that 
 article.  What you were reading must have a lot of references..  HOpe 
 that helps.
 On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:21 AM, James  Nash wrote:
 
 Hi list, 
 
 Is there some reason why Voice Over says clickable after reading 
 every line in an article on the internet? Is there some way of turning 
 it off or is it informing me of some information that I am unaware of?
 
 Thanks 
 
 TC
 
 James 
 
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