Re: Annoying Verbosity in Mail App on Sonoma

[Brad Snyder]

Try navigating the Mailbox list without interacting, and just using the up/down 
arrow keys to move between items in the list.  Seems to work a lot better for 
me.

HTH.

- Brad -



> On Oct 1, 2023, at 10:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t know since I also have a similar mail issue where Sonoma mail app app 
> re-focus the voiceOver cursor to the end of the line in. The list of received 
> mails.
> So when I Vo Arrow down I sometimes only hear the last part of the line where 
> the date and subject is.
> Can’t explain that better sadly.
> Bless.
> /A
> 
>> 30 sep. 2023 kl. 18:02 skrev Dave Carlson :
>> 
>> I’ve noticed that the list level in the mailbox column is now announced when 
>> moving in/out of the column.
>> 
>> For example, VO+right arrow to the mailbox column will announce inbox  3 of 
>> 45. It’s the “3 of 45” that did not announce in Ventura.
>> 
>> I’ve gone through the Voiceover setting under verbosity and set several 
>> items to low verbosity but nothing has changed.
>> 
>> Any tips?
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
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Re: Annoying Verbosity in Mail App on Sonoma

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t know since I also have a similar mail issue where Sonoma mail app app 
re-focus the voiceOver cursor to the end of the line in. The list of received 
mails.
So when I Vo Arrow down I sometimes only hear the last part of the line where 
the date and subject is.
Can’t explain that better sadly.
Bless.
/A

> 30 sep. 2023 kl. 18:02 skrev Dave Carlson :
> 
> I’ve noticed that the list level in the mailbox column is now announced when 
> moving in/out of the column.
> 
> For example, VO+right arrow to the mailbox column will announce inbox  3 of 
> 45. It’s the “3 of 45” that did not announce in Ventura.
> 
> I’ve gone through the Voiceover setting under verbosity and set several items 
> to low verbosity but nothing has changed.
> 
> Any tips?
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
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Annoying Verbosity in Mail App on Sonoma

[Dave Carlson]

I’ve noticed that the list level in the mailbox column is now announced when 
moving in/out of the column.

For example, VO+right arrow to the mailbox column will announce inbox  3 of 45. 
It’s the “3 of 45” that did not announce in Ventura.

I’ve gone through the Voiceover setting under verbosity and set several items 
to low verbosity but nothing has changed.

Any tips?


Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
dgcarlson0...@gmail.com



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Re: Adjusting Voiceover Speed on Verbosity Roter?

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   No you need to use VO command shift left or right arrow keys..

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On 10/24/2022 9:09 PM, Fazil M. wrote:

Hi, group.

Can I adjust voiceover speed on Verbosity roater by invoking it with VO+v?

If not, how can I adjust voiceover speed?

Thanks!

Thanks!

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Adjusting Voiceover Speed on Verbosity Roter?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, group.

Can I adjust voiceover speed on Verbosity roater by invoking it with VO+v?

If not, how can I adjust voiceover speed?

Thanks!

 

Thanks!

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Re: Custom Verbosity Table in Voiceover Utility?

[Jonathan Cohn]

This is a two column table. The first column lists a control type and the 
second column is a pup-up with 5 options.
1. Default - Use the verbosity listed at before the list.
2. Low For this control usually just speak its Name
3. Medium
4. High Speak Name, Value and type for most controls 
5. Custom  Bring up a dialog to set your own speaking.
If you change "default" to any other value it should effect what is being said 
or displayed on your braille display. 
The custom is a bit more complex, you can choose Name, Type and Status and 
rearrange them. In some cases, I have found that changing items in this table 
did not do what I expected it to do.
Good Luck!
Jonathan
  
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 18, 2022, at 18:53, Fazil M.  wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> What does Custom Verbosity Table do in the Voiceover Utility Category, Speech?
> When I interact with this table, I just find the name of different controls. 
> Can I customize these controls in any way? If yes, how can I do that, please?
> Thanks!
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Custom Verbosity Table in Voiceover Utility?

[Fazil M.]

Hi, Group.

What does Custom Verbosity Table do in the Voiceover Utility Category,
Speech?

When I interact with this table, I just find the name of different controls.
Can I customize these controls in any way? If yes, how can I do that,
please?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Verbosity

[Dave Carlson]

Sorry, my bad. I realize that I mis-interpreted my keys used under my right 
hand. VO is indeed Option+Control…

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Oregonian, Pioneer, Musician, Engineer, and Farfar

On Nov 5, 2021, at 8:44 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

Hello Dave,
I do believe this  changed  at some point. both my Mojave and Mottery systems 
do use VO- x to bring up activity chooser. I hope this message came through OK, 
I just discovered I still have my Iphone still using ebae BRlike . 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Jonathan,
> 
> I was not able to select activities on demand with VO+X. Instead I found that 
> Option+Control+x worked. Is this possibly OS-dependent?
> 
> Dave Carlson
>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
> 
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Cohn  <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> You need to go into the Activity area of VOiceOver utility. It will then ask 
> what sections of VOiceOver do you want to customize for the activity. You can 
> then change the verbosity settings and at the end or bottom there is a place 
> to select applications or specific web sites to apply the activity to. The 
> VO-X command let you choose activities on demand.
> Jonathan
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2021, at 07:28, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> Can you adjust verbosity settings for a specific app? If so, how do you do 
>> this?
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Re: Verbosity

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you very much for this.

Kristeen


> On Nov 5, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello,
> You need to go into the Activity area of VOiceOver utility. It will then ask 
> what sections of VOiceOver do you want to customize for the activity. You can 
> then change the verbosity settings and at the end or bottom there is a place 
> to select applications or specific web sites to apply the activity to. The 
> VO-X command let you choose activities on demand.
> Jonathan
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2021, at 07:28, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> Can you adjust verbosity settings for a specific app? If so, how do you do 
>> this?
>> 
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Re: Verbosity

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Hello Dave,
I do believe this  changed  at some point. both my Mojave and Mottery systems 
do use VO- x to bring up activity chooser. I hope this message came through OK, 
I just discovered I still have my Iphone still using ebae BRlike . 

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> On Nov 5, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Jonathan,
> 
> I was not able to select activities on demand with VO+X. Instead I found that 
> Option+Control+x worked. Is this possibly OS-dependent?
> 
> Dave Carlson
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> 
> On Nov 5, 2021, at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello,
> You need to go into the Activity area of VOiceOver utility. It will then ask 
> what sections of VOiceOver do you want to customize for the activity. You can 
> then change the verbosity settings and at the end or bottom there is a place 
> to select applications or specific web sites to apply the activity to. The 
> VO-X command let you choose activities on demand.
> Jonathan
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
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>> On Nov 5, 2021, at 07:28, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: Verbosity

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Jonathan,

I was not able to select activities on demand with VO+X. Instead I found that 
Option+Control+x worked. Is this possibly OS-dependent?

Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Nov 5, 2021, at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Hello,
You need to go into the Activity area of VOiceOver utility. It will then ask 
what sections of VOiceOver do you want to customize for the activity. You can 
then change the verbosity settings and at the end or bottom there is a place to 
select applications or specific web sites to apply the activity to. The VO-X 
command let you choose activities on demand.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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Re: Verbosity

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Hello,
You need to go into the Activity area of VOiceOver utility. It will then ask 
what sections of VOiceOver do you want to customize for the activity. You can 
then change the verbosity settings and at the end or bottom there is a place to 
select applications or specific web sites to apply the activity to. The VO-X 
command let you choose activities on demand.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



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Verbosity

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Can you adjust verbosity settings for a specific app? If so, how do you do this?

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RE: Keyboard Verbosity?

[Fazil]

How can I go to VO Preferences, please?

Thanks!

 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 5:23 AM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbosity?

 

Turn off 

"unchecked Announce when a modifier key is pressed"for me this shows up in 
verbosity announcements in VO Preferences.  

Or else reset VoiceOver to defaults.

If you want to play with lots of settings fine, but why keep asking us when you 
break something.

Oh, and by the way 

1. Open System Preferences 

2. Open the view menu and select keyboard 

3.  Press the Input Sources button 

4. Press the add button 

5. Select "Arabic" from the list that comes up.

6. Check the checkbox to display language input in the menu bar.

7. There will now be a bunch of options discussing Left to Right and Right to 
Left text, you will probably need to change the shortcuts listed here but I 
don't understand them. I would think that just selecting the appropriate 
language input from the language menu would be all that you need.

 

Then when  you press VO-M twice quickly and look around you should find a 
laEnlish menu, it is also possible to set up keyboard shortcuts to switch 
language input.  

Shalom!

Jonathan Cohn







On Sep 20, 2021, at 23:28, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, group.

How can I control keyboard verbosity?

When I press VO keys, Voiceover says ctrl-option, how can I have Voiceover not 
say that?

Thanks!

 

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Re: Keyboard Verbosity?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Turn off 
"unchecked Announce when a modifier key is pressed"for me this shows up in 
verbosity announcements in VO Preferences.  
Or else reset VoiceOver to defaults.
If you want to play with lots of settings fine, but why keep asking us when you 
break something.
Oh, and by the way 
1. Open System Preferences 
2. Open the view menu and select keyboard 
3.  Press the Input Sources button 
4. Press the add button 
5. Select "Arabic" from the list that comes up.
6. Check the checkbox to display language input in the menu bar.
7. There will now be a bunch of options discussing Left to Right and Right to 
Left text, you will probably need to change the shortcuts listed here but I 
don't understand them. I would think that just selecting the appropriate 
language input from the language menu would be all that you need.

Then when  you press VO-M twice quickly and look around you should find a 
laEnlish menu, it is also possible to set up keyboard shortcuts to switch 
language input.  
Shalom!

Jonathan Cohn



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> Hi, group.
> How can I control keyboard verbosity?
> When I press VO keys, Voiceover says ctrl-option, how can I have Voiceover 
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Keyboard Verbosity?

[Fazil]

Hi, group.

How can I control keyboard verbosity?

When I press VO keys, Voiceover says ctrl-option, how can I have Voiceover
not say that?

Thanks!

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Re: Decreasing the verbosity of VO during Zoom Meetings

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

My experience has been that that does not always work consistently.
Cheers,
Donna 

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> On Jul 8, 2020, at 8:49 AM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> Try adding a commander to mute voice over on the Mac.
> I use options plus tilder.
> To mute and unmute on the fly.
> So, press the hot key to mute and speak, then press it again to unmute.
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>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 9:36 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi Yolanda,
>> 
>> to the best of my knowledge, there is no way to do this, other than muting 
>> Voiceover, which he probably does not want to do. My recommendation would be 
>> that he just wear headphones. That will solve the problem.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have a student using zoom on the mac to attend a lot of different
>>> online conferences. He stays muted unless he wants to speak then he
>>> holds down the spacebar and speaks and releases it when he is finished
>>> talking. The issue which arises is VO gives the announcement abouted
>>> being unmuted and has spoken longer than he has by the time he is
>>> finished.
>>> 
>>> The question is:
>>> Is there a way to decrease the verbosity of VO during zoom sessions so
>>> he can avoid the nuisance status of his microphone?
>>> Thanks in Advance.
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Re: Decreasing the verbosity of VO during Zoom Meetings

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,
Try adding a commander to mute voice over on the Mac.
I use options plus tilder.
To mute and unmute on the fly.
So, press the hot key to mute and speak, then press it again to unmute.


> On Jul 8, 2020, at 9:36 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Yolanda,
> 
> to the best of my knowledge, there is no way to do this, other than muting 
> Voiceover, which he probably does not want to do. My recommendation would be 
> that he just wear headphones. That will solve the problem.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
>> 
>> We have a student using zoom on the mac to attend a lot of different
>> online conferences. He stays muted unless he wants to speak then he
>> holds down the spacebar and speaks and releases it when he is finished
>> talking. The issue which arises is VO gives the announcement abouted
>> being unmuted and has spoken longer than he has by the time he is
>> finished.
>> 
>> The question is:
>> Is there a way to decrease the verbosity of VO during zoom sessions so
>> he can avoid the nuisance status of his microphone?
>> Thanks in Advance.
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Re: Decreasing the verbosity of VO during Zoom Meetings

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Yolanda,

to the best of my knowledge, there is no way to do this, other than muting 
Voiceover, which he probably does not want to do. My recommendation would be 
that he just wear headphones. That will solve the problem.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPad

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> We have a student using zoom on the mac to attend a lot of different
> online conferences. He stays muted unless he wants to speak then he
> holds down the spacebar and speaks and releases it when he is finished
> talking. The issue which arises is VO gives the announcement abouted
> being unmuted and has spoken longer than he has by the time he is
> finished.
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> Is there a way to decrease the verbosity of VO during zoom sessions so
> he can avoid the nuisance status of his microphone?
> Thanks in Advance.
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Decreasing the verbosity of VO during Zoom Meetings

[Yolanda Thompson]

We have a student using zoom on the mac to attend a lot of different
online conferences. He stays muted unless he wants to speak then he
holds down the spacebar and speaks and releases it when he is finished
talking. The issue which arises is VO gives the announcement abouted
being unmuted and has spoken longer than he has by the time he is
finished.

The question is:
Is there a way to decrease the verbosity of VO during zoom sessions so
he can avoid the nuisance status of his microphone?
Thanks in Advance.

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Re: My Verbosity - Was: Turning Speaking on

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   Aw heck, no worries, Bill. We all have our days.

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Ah Heck, ET; don’t mind my long-winded dissertation - I’m just like 
that! ;-)



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Custom Verbosity Settings

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   Sierra added the "x of x" in the dock which I find useless. I set 
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Re: VoiceOver Verbosity Problems

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes it does here too, I changed it from high to low to see if I could 
reproduce, no fat chance.
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 14:17, -dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> You might try vo+v which brings up a speech control menu.  Verbosity is among 
> the items.  The changes persist in my experience.
> 
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, Brian Hansen wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> Well, no luck on this end.  I even tried restoring the VO default settings, 
>> and reset the PRAM a second time.  The settings definitely aren?t sticking, 
>> and I?m currently stuck in the high-verbosity setting even though the VO 
>> Utility shows it set to low.  Anything else I can try, besides a larger 
>> hammer?  
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 1:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Brian,
>>> 
>>> We came across a similar problem of settings not sticking in Sierra this 
>>> weekend with a student of ours. Reinitialising the PRAM fixed the problem.
>>> If you?re not familiar with this procedure, here?s what to do.
>>> Shut down your Mac, then hold down the following keys: Command, Option, 
>>> letter ?p? and letter ?r?. With these four keys held down, press once on 
>>> the Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you?ve heard the start 
>>> up chime four times. Your Mac will then boot normally.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 06:42, Brian Hansen  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I?m running the latest release of MacOS Sierra, and I?m running into a bit 
>>>> of a problem with the default verbosity settings.  For what ever reason, 
>>>> VoiceOver seems to be stuck in the high-verbosity setting.  I?ve tried  
>>>> changing it to low, but VO keeps reading and chattering away in the high 
>>>> verbosity mode.  When I go back into the VO Utility, it still shows that 
>>>> it?s set to low, but for what ever reason, VO doesn?t seem to know that 
>>>> any setting has changed.
>>>> 
>>>> I?ve tried turning VO off, and then back on again, re-booting the Mac, 
>>>> restoring the VO defaults in the VO Utilities, and even loading some 
>>>> completely different settings from my wife?s account.  At this point, 
>>>> nothing seems to work.  Any and all help or ideas would be greatly 
>>>> appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Blessings,
>>>> 
>>>> Brian
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Re: VoiceOver Verbosity Problems

[-dan d.]

You might try vo+v which brings up a speech control menu.  Verbosity is 
among the items.  The changes persist in my experience.


On Mon, 10 Oct 2016, Brian Hansen wrote:


Hi Anne,

Well, no luck on this end.  I even tried restoring the VO default settings, and reset 
the PRAM a second time.  The settings definitely aren?t sticking, and I?m currently 
stuck in the high-verbosity setting even though the VO Utility shows it set to low.  
Anything else I can try, besides a larger hammer?  

Blessings,

Brian


On Oct 10, 2016, at 1:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

Hello Brian,

We came across a similar problem of settings not sticking in Sierra this 
weekend with a student of ours. Reinitialising the PRAM fixed the problem.
If you?re not familiar with this procedure, here?s what to do.
Shut down your Mac, then hold down the following keys: Command, Option, letter 
?p? and letter ?r?. With these four keys held down, press once on the Power 
button. Keep the four keys held down until you?ve heard the start up chime four 
times. Your Mac will then boot normally.

Cheers,

Anne




On 10 Oct 2016, at 06:42, Brian Hansen  wrote:

I?m running the latest release of MacOS Sierra, and I?m running into a bit of a 
problem with the default verbosity settings.  For what ever reason, VoiceOver 
seems to be stuck in the high-verbosity setting.  I?ve tried  changing it to 
low, but VO keeps reading and chattering away in the high verbosity mode.  When 
I go back into the VO Utility, it still shows that it?s set to low, but for 
what ever reason, VO doesn?t seem to know that any setting has changed.

I?ve tried turning VO off, and then back on again, re-booting the Mac, 
restoring the VO defaults in the VO Utilities, and even loading some completely 
different settings from my wife?s account.  At this point, nothing seems to 
work.  Any and all help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Blessings,

Brian

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Re: VoiceOver Verbosity Problems

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Use the reset option in voiceover utility? If that doesn't work, you could look 
at permissions of com.apple.VoiceOver4 directory under Preferences under 
~/Library   

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> Well, no luck on this end.  I even tried restoring the VO default settings, 
> and reset the PRAM a second time.  The settings definitely aren’t sticking, 
> and I’m currently stuck in the high-verbosity setting even though the VO 
> Utility shows it set to low.  Anything else I can try, besides a larger 
> hammer?  
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
> 
>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 1:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Brian,
>> 
>> We came across a similar problem of settings not sticking in Sierra this 
>> weekend with a student of ours. Reinitialising the PRAM fixed the problem.
>> If you’re not familiar with this procedure, here’s what to do.
>> Shut down your Mac, then hold down the following keys: Command, Option, 
>> letter ‘p’ and letter ‘r’. With these four keys held down, press once on the 
>> Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the start up 
>> chime four times. Your Mac will then boot normally.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 06:42, Brian Hansen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m running the latest release of MacOS Sierra, and I’m running into a bit 
>>> of a problem with the default verbosity settings.  For what ever reason, 
>>> VoiceOver seems to be stuck in the high-verbosity setting.  I’ve tried  
>>> changing it to low, but VO keeps reading and chattering away in the high 
>>> verbosity mode.  When I go back into the VO Utility, it still shows that 
>>> it’s set to low, but for what ever reason, VO doesn’t seem to know that any 
>>> setting has changed.
>>> 
>>> I’ve tried turning VO off, and then back on again, re-booting the Mac, 
>>> restoring the VO defaults in the VO Utilities, and even loading some 
>>> completely different settings from my wife’s account.  At this point, 
>>> nothing seems to work.  Any and all help or ideas would be greatly 
>>> appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
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Re: VoiceOver Verbosity Problems

[Brian Hansen]

Hi Anne,

Well, no luck on this end.  I even tried restoring the VO default settings, and 
reset the PRAM a second time.  The settings definitely aren’t sticking, and I’m 
currently stuck in the high-verbosity setting even though the VO Utility shows 
it set to low.  Anything else I can try, besides a larger hammer?  

Blessings,

Brian

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 1:41 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Brian,
> 
> We came across a similar problem of settings not sticking in Sierra this 
> weekend with a student of ours. Reinitialising the PRAM fixed the problem.
> If you’re not familiar with this procedure, here’s what to do.
> Shut down your Mac, then hold down the following keys: Command, Option, 
> letter ‘p’ and letter ‘r’. With these four keys held down, press once on the 
> Power button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the start up 
> chime four times. Your Mac will then boot normally.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Oct 2016, at 06:42, Brian Hansen  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m running the latest release of MacOS Sierra, and I’m running into a bit 
>> of a problem with the default verbosity settings.  For what ever reason, 
>> VoiceOver seems to be stuck in the high-verbosity setting.  I’ve tried  
>> changing it to low, but VO keeps reading and chattering away in the high 
>> verbosity mode.  When I go back into the VO Utility, it still shows that 
>> it’s set to low, but for what ever reason, VO doesn’t seem to know that any 
>> setting has changed.
>> 
>> I’ve tried turning VO off, and then back on again, re-booting the Mac, 
>> restoring the VO defaults in the VO Utilities, and even loading some 
>> completely different settings from my wife’s account.  At this point, 
>> nothing seems to work.  Any and all help or ideas would be greatly 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Brian
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Re: VoiceOver Verbosity Problems

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Brian,

We came across a similar problem of settings not sticking in Sierra this 
weekend with a student of ours. Reinitialising the PRAM fixed the problem.
If you’re not familiar with this procedure, here’s what to do.
Shut down your Mac, then hold down the following keys: Command, Option, letter 
‘p’ and letter ‘r’. With these four keys held down, press once on the Power 
button. Keep the four keys held down until you’ve heard the start up chime four 
times. Your Mac will then boot normally.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 10 Oct 2016, at 06:42, Brian Hansen  wrote:
> 
> I’m running the latest release of MacOS Sierra, and I’m running into a bit of 
> a problem with the default verbosity settings.  For what ever reason, 
> VoiceOver seems to be stuck in the high-verbosity setting.  I’ve tried  
> changing it to low, but VO keeps reading and chattering away in the high 
> verbosity mode.  When I go back into the VO Utility, it still shows that it’s 
> set to low, but for what ever reason, VO doesn’t seem to know that any 
> setting has changed.
> 
> I’ve tried turning VO off, and then back on again, re-booting the Mac, 
> restoring the VO defaults in the VO Utilities, and even loading some 
> completely different settings from my wife’s account.  At this point, nothing 
> seems to work.  Any and all help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
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VoiceOver Verbosity Problems

[Brian Hansen]

I’m running the latest release of MacOS Sierra, and I’m running into a bit of a 
problem with the default verbosity settings.  For what ever reason, VoiceOver 
seems to be stuck in the high-verbosity setting.  I’ve tried  changing it to 
low, but VO keeps reading and chattering away in the high verbosity mode.  When 
I go back into the VO Utility, it still shows that it’s set to low, but for 
what ever reason, VO doesn’t seem to know that any setting has changed.

I’ve tried turning VO off, and then back on again, re-booting the Mac, 
restoring the VO defaults in the VO Utilities, and even loading some completely 
different settings from my wife’s account.  At this point, nothing seems to 
work.  Any and all help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Blessings,

Brian

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Re: Silencing 'disclosure triangle' (was: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of)

[Brian Fischler]

Ones created from scratch. Again I got the mail activity working now but it 
seems to stop working after a little bit very strange. I have deleted the 
activity and created it again only to have the same thing occur.
> On Apr 16, 2016, at 12:36 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Were these activities you imported from previous VO settings or ones you 
> created from scratch?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
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> Tel, (631) 724-4479
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>> On Apr 16, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Brian Fischler > <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Yes it was working for me but I think it was because I had set my verbosity 
>> to low for a bit and I just found out that activities as a whole are not 
>> even working for me so sorry about the incorrect info. If you do set 
>> verbosity to low it will get rid of the announcement of disclosure triangle 
>> but not sure why the activity will not stay set.
>>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mail is quite interesting with this. In the messages view the disclosure 
>>> triangle will not speak if overall verbosity is set to low, even if 
>>> disclosure triangle verbosity is set to high.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Apr 2016, at 07:07, Alex Hall >>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I just tried this as well. I set disclosure triangle to 'custom', and 
>>>> unchecked 'name' and 'type' in the table. I hit OK, closed the VO Utility, 
>>>> and even turned VO off and back on. In Mail (the only place I have ready 
>>>> access to disclosure triangles), it didn't do anything, sadly. Did I miss 
>>>> a step?
>>>>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 06:31, M. Taylor >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Brian,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I followed your steps in terms of attempting to turn off the " disclosure 
>>>>> triangle" VoiceOver statement by setting the custom control to low.  
>>>>> However, for me, at least, doing so had no effect in the Apple Mail 
>>>>> application.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you using the Standard view in Mail? Or the Classic view.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:55 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid 
>>>>> of
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey thought of this after posting in case anyone else is monitoring. I 
>>>>> did notice in verbosity under custom there is now away to thankfully stop 
>>>>> every mail thread saying disclosure triangle as I believe if you click 
>>>>> the control box and set that one to low it goes away. So nice to not be 
>>>>> hearing disclosure triangle anymore. Now if we can just get rid of the 
>>>>> one row added in Night Owl and Mail.
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler >>>> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
>>>>> everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have 
>>>>> it for newbies but great to get it to shut up.
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese >>>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>>  That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the 
>>>>> hints in the hints tab

Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Mark,

Ends up the reason it went away was because I had verbosity set to low for a 
moment, as I did not realize my activity for mail is not even working. So sorry 
about that, but you can get rid of hearing it by setting verbosity to low.
> On Apr 15, 2016, at 6:31 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Brian,
> 
> I followed your steps in terms of attempting to turn off the " disclosure 
> triangle" VoiceOver statement by setting the custom control to low.  However, 
> for me, at least, doing so had no effect in the Apple Mail application.  
> 
> Are you using the Standard view in Mail? Or the Classic view.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of
> 
> Hey thought of this after posting in case anyone else is monitoring. I did 
> notice in verbosity under custom there is now away to thankfully stop every 
> mail thread saying disclosure triangle as I believe if you click the control 
> box and set that one to low it goes away. So nice to not be hearing 
> disclosure triangle anymore. Now if we can just get rid of the one row added 
> in Night Owl and Mail.
> On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
> everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have it 
> for newbies but great to get it to shut up.
> On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
>  That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the hints 
> in the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
> have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
> gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
> inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message you 
> are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
> productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
> currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need to 
> be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.
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Re: Silencing 'disclosure triangle' (was: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of)

[John Panarese]

  Were these activities you imported from previous VO settings or ones you 
created from scratch?


Take Care

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> On Apr 16, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Yes it was working for me but I think it was because I had set my verbosity 
> to low for a bit and I just found out that activities as a whole are not even 
> working for me so sorry about the incorrect info. If you do set verbosity to 
> low it will get rid of the announcement of disclosure triangle but not sure 
> why the activity will not stay set.
>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Jonathan Cohn > <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mail is quite interesting with this. In the messages view the disclosure 
>> triangle will not speak if overall verbosity is set to low, even if 
>> disclosure triangle verbosity is set to high.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Apr 2016, at 07:07, Alex Hall >> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I just tried this as well. I set disclosure triangle to 'custom', and 
>>> unchecked 'name' and 'type' in the table. I hit OK, closed the VO Utility, 
>>> and even turned VO off and back on. In Mail (the only place I have ready 
>>> access to disclosure triangles), it didn't do anything, sadly. Did I miss a 
>>> step?
>>>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 06:31, M. Taylor >>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Brian,
>>>> 
>>>> I followed your steps in terms of attempting to turn off the " disclosure 
>>>> triangle" VoiceOver statement by setting the custom control to low.  
>>>> However, for me, at least, doing so had no effect in the Apple Mail 
>>>> application.  
>>>> 
>>>> Are you using the Standard view in Mail? Or the Classic view.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:55 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of
>>>> 
>>>> Hey thought of this after posting in case anyone else is monitoring. I did 
>>>> notice in verbosity under custom there is now away to thankfully stop 
>>>> every mail thread saying disclosure triangle as I believe if you click the 
>>>> control box and set that one to low it goes away. So nice to not be 
>>>> hearing disclosure triangle anymore. Now if we can just get rid of the one 
>>>> row added in Night Owl and Mail.
>>>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler >>> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
>>>> everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have it 
>>>> for newbies but great to get it to shut up.
>>>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese >>> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Brian,
>>>>  That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the 
>>>> hints in the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> 
>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>> Director
>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>>> 
>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>> 
>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler >>> <mailto:brianfis

Re: Silencing 'disclosure triangle' (was: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of)

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Yes it was working for me but I think it was because I had set my verbosity to 
low for a bit and I just found out that activities as a whole are not even 
working for me so sorry about the incorrect info. If you do set verbosity to 
low it will get rid of the announcement of disclosure triangle but not sure why 
the activity will not stay set.
> On Apr 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Mail is quite interesting with this. In the messages view the disclosure 
> triangle will not speak if overall verbosity is set to low, even if 
> disclosure triangle verbosity is set to high.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Apr 2016, at 07:07, Alex Hall > <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I just tried this as well. I set disclosure triangle to 'custom', and 
>> unchecked 'name' and 'type' in the table. I hit OK, closed the VO Utility, 
>> and even turned VO off and back on. In Mail (the only place I have ready 
>> access to disclosure triangles), it didn't do anything, sadly. Did I miss a 
>> step?
>>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 06:31, M. Taylor >> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Brian,
>>> 
>>> I followed your steps in terms of attempting to turn off the " disclosure 
>>> triangle" VoiceOver statement by setting the custom control to low.  
>>> However, for me, at least, doing so had no effect in the Apple Mail 
>>> application.  
>>> 
>>> Are you using the Standard view in Mail? Or the Classic view.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:55 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of
>>> 
>>> Hey thought of this after posting in case anyone else is monitoring. I did 
>>> notice in verbosity under custom there is now away to thankfully stop every 
>>> mail thread saying disclosure triangle as I believe if you click the 
>>> control box and set that one to low it goes away. So nice to not be hearing 
>>> disclosure triangle anymore. Now if we can just get rid of the one row 
>>> added in Night Owl and Mail.
>>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler >> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
>>> everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have it 
>>> for newbies but great to get it to shut up.
>>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese >> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>  That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the hints 
>>> in the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler >> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
>>> have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
>>> gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
>>> inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message 
>>> you are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
>>> productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
>>> currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need 
>>> to be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.
>>> 
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Re: Silencing 'disclosure triangle' (was: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of)

[Jonathan Cohn]

Mail is quite interesting with this. In the messages view the disclosure 
triangle will not speak if overall verbosity is set to low, even if disclosure 
triangle verbosity is set to high.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 15 Apr 2016, at 07:07, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I just tried this as well. I set disclosure triangle to 'custom', and 
> unchecked 'name' and 'type' in the table. I hit OK, closed the VO Utility, 
> and even turned VO off and back on. In Mail (the only place I have ready 
> access to disclosure triangles), it didn't do anything, sadly. Did I miss a 
> step?
>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 06:31, M. Taylor > <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Brian,
>> 
>> I followed your steps in terms of attempting to turn off the " disclosure 
>> triangle" VoiceOver statement by setting the custom control to low.  
>> However, for me, at least, doing so had no effect in the Apple Mail 
>> application.  
>> 
>> Are you using the Standard view in Mail? Or the Classic view.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of
>> 
>> Hey thought of this after posting in case anyone else is monitoring. I did 
>> notice in verbosity under custom there is now away to thankfully stop every 
>> mail thread saying disclosure triangle as I believe if you click the control 
>> box and set that one to low it goes away. So nice to not be hearing 
>> disclosure triangle anymore. Now if we can just get rid of the one row added 
>> in Night Owl and Mail.
>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler > <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
>> everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have it 
>> for newbies but great to get it to shut up.
>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese > <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>>  That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the hints 
>> in the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler > <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
>> have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
>> gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
>> inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message 
>> you are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
>> productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
>> currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need 
>> to be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.
>> 
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Re: Silencing 'disclosure triangle' (was: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of)

[Devin Prater]

It didn't work for me either. I suppose the only way would be to do some 
regular expression tricks in pronounciation dictionary.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 15, 2016, at 6:07 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I just tried this as well. I set disclosure triangle to 'custom', and 
> unchecked 'name' and 'type' in the table. I hit OK, closed the VO Utility, 
> and even turned VO off and back on. In Mail (the only place I have ready 
> access to disclosure triangles), it didn't do anything, sadly. Did I miss a 
> step?
>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 06:31, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Brian,
>> 
>> I followed your steps in terms of attempting to turn off the " disclosure 
>> triangle" VoiceOver statement by setting the custom control to low.  
>> However, for me, at least, doing so had no effect in the Apple Mail 
>> application.  
>> 
>> Are you using the Standard view in Mail? Or the Classic view.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of
>> 
>> Hey thought of this after posting in case anyone else is monitoring. I did 
>> notice in verbosity under custom there is now away to thankfully stop every 
>> mail thread saying disclosure triangle as I believe if you click the control 
>> box and set that one to low it goes away. So nice to not be hearing 
>> disclosure triangle anymore. Now if we can just get rid of the one row added 
>> in Night Owl and Mail.
>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
>> everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have it 
>> for newbies but great to get it to shut up.
>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>>  That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the hints 
>> in the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
>> have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
>> gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
>> inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message 
>> you are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
>> productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
>> currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need 
>> to be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.
>> 
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Silencing 'disclosure triangle' (was: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of)

[Alex Hall]

Hello,
I just tried this as well. I set disclosure triangle to 'custom', and unchecked 
'name' and 'type' in the table. I hit OK, closed the VO Utility, and even 
turned VO off and back on. In Mail (the only place I have ready access to 
disclosure triangles), it didn't do anything, sadly. Did I miss a step?
> On Apr 15, 2016, at 06:31, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Brian,
> 
> I followed your steps in terms of attempting to turn off the " disclosure 
> triangle" VoiceOver statement by setting the custom control to low.  However, 
> for me, at least, doing so had no effect in the Apple Mail application.  
> 
> Are you using the Standard view in Mail? Or the Classic view.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:55 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of
> 
> Hey thought of this after posting in case anyone else is monitoring. I did 
> notice in verbosity under custom there is now away to thankfully stop every 
> mail thread saying disclosure triangle as I believe if you click the control 
> box and set that one to low it goes away. So nice to not be hearing 
> disclosure triangle anymore. Now if we can just get rid of the one row added 
> in Night Owl and Mail.
> On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
> everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have it 
> for newbies but great to get it to shut up.
> On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
>  That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the hints 
> in the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
> have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
> gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
> inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message you 
> are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
> productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
> currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need to 
> be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.
> 
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RE: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of

[M. Taylor]

Hello Brian,

I followed your steps in terms of attempting to turn off the " disclosure 
triangle" VoiceOver statement by setting the custom control to low.  However, 
for me, at least, doing so had no effect in the Apple Mail application.  

Are you using the Standard view in Mail? Or the Classic view.

Mark

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brian Fischler
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:55 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of

Hey thought of this after posting in case anyone else is monitoring. I did 
notice in verbosity under custom there is now away to thankfully stop every 
mail thread saying disclosure triangle as I believe if you click the control 
box and set that one to low it goes away. So nice to not be hearing disclosure 
triangle anymore. Now if we can just get rid of the one row added in Night Owl 
and Mail.
On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have it for 
newbies but great to get it to shut up.
On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

Hi Brian,
  That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the hints in 
the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT



On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Hey all,

New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message you 
are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need to 
be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.

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Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of

[Brian Fischler]

Hey thought of this after posting in case anyone else is monitoring. I did 
notice in verbosity under custom there is now away to thankfully stop every 
mail thread saying disclosure triangle as I believe if you click the control 
box and set that one to low it goes away. So nice to not be hearing disclosure 
triangle anymore. Now if we can just get rid of the one row added in Night Owl 
and Mail.
> On Apr 14, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
> everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have it 
> for newbies but great to get it to shut up.
>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese > <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>>   That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the hints 
>> in the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler >> <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
>>> have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
>>> gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
>>> inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message 
>>> you are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
>>> productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
>>> currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need 
>>> to be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.
>>> 
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Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of

[Brian Fischler]

Thank you so much John that solved it. Even us trainers do not think of 
everything all the time. Wow was that driving me bonkers. Great to have it for 
newbies but great to get it to shut up.
> On Apr 14, 2016, at 10:23 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
>   That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the hints 
> in the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com>
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/>
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler > <mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
>> have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
>> gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
>> inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message 
>> you are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
>> productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
>> currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need 
>> to be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.
>> 
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Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of

[Mike Arrigo]

You probably need to go in to the voice over utility and turn off the 
speaking of hints.

Original message:

Hey all,


New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me 
nuts. I have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but 
nothing I do gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link 
you are on a link inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the 
link the stupid message you are on a link inside of a cell is read 
instead absolutely destroying my productivity. Is there any way to get 
rid of this? Another one is you are currently on text inside of cell. 
That’s great I know that and do not need to be told this every time I 
move some where in safari. This is awful.



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Re: Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of

[John Panarese]

Hi Brian,
  That is actually the VoiceOver hints you are hearing. . Turn off the hints in 
the hints tab of verbosity and that should go away.


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> On Apr 14, 2016, at 2:02 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
> have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
> gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
> inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message you 
> are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
> productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
> currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need to 
> be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.
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Safari Verbosity Driving Me Bonkers Any Help How to get rid of

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

New to El Cap and the verbosity of browsing in safari is driving me nuts. I 
have my verbosity turned to low and tried custom verbosity but nothing I do 
gets rid of safari constantly saying when I am on a link you are on a link 
inside of a cell. At times instead of reading the link the stupid message you 
are on a link inside of a cell is read instead absolutely destroying my 
productivity. Is there any way to get rid of this? Another one is you are 
currently on text inside of cell. That’s great I know that and do not need to 
be told this every time I move some where in safari. This is awful.

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Table header verbosity

[Bill Holton]

Hi.

Is there any sort of VO rotor I can  use to adjust the amount of table
header information that is read every time I move to another cell?   

Also, if I turn off header reading, is there a hotkey I can use to have it
announced one time on the fly?

 

Thanks much.

Bill

 

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Re: Voice verbosity

[Angelo]

I guess it's just one of those quirky things, I am using the Alex voice.

Angelo
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On Jul 16, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Angelo  wrote:

> Thanks again,,, but none of the options in the Capital menu correct the way 
> VO handles all cap words or names in a email message that are all caps. 
> although some words are just spoken  correctly and not spelled. out. is there 
> a option to adjust the way VO handles miss spelled words or words and number 
> combinations?
> Angelo
> a.rock...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Jimmy Podsim  wrote:
> 
>> I think you change it to none.  Then if you need to proof read you can 
>> change it back quickly the same way.
>> 
>> God bless our troops and God bless America again.
>> 
>> Jimmy Podsim.
>> http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.podsim/
>> Yahoo messenger, jp.kd5...@att.net
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Angelo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip, but what do I change it to? currently it's on change 
>>> pitch?
>>> Angelo
>>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:36 AM, isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> First press vo v to open the verbosity. 
>>>> Next press the right arrow to get to capitals. 
>>>> Next press the down arrow to change the setting.  Then press the escape 
>>>> key  when you are finished.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Angelo  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , is the way 
>>>>> VO handles all caps like in an email subject line,   reading 1 letter at 
>>>>> a time, could someone let me know how to change this?
>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Angelo
>>>>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: Voice verbosity

[Kevin Barry]

How about getting it to  pronounce years  correctly?
that is, a year is not spoken with the word "and" in it.
"and" signifies a decimal point.

At 12:11 PM 7/16/2014, you wrote:
Thanks again,,, but none of the options in the Capital menu correct 
the way VO handles all cap words or names in a email message that 
are all caps. although some words are just spoken  correctly and not 
spelled. out. is there a option to adjust the way VO handles miss 
spelled words or words and number combinations?

Angelo
a.rock...@gmail.com



On Jul 16, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Jimmy Podsim  wrote:

> I think you change it to none.  Then if you need to proof read 
you can change it back quickly the same way.

>
> God bless our troops and God bless America again.
>
> Jimmy Podsim.
> http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.podsim/
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>
>
>
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Angelo  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the tip, but what do I change it to? currently it's 
on change pitch?

>> Angelo
>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:36 AM, isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> First press vo v to open the verbosity.
>>> Next press the right arrow to get to capitals.
>>> Next press the down arrow to change the setting.  Then press 
the escape key  when you are finished.

>>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Angelo  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , 
is the way VO handles all caps like in an email subject 
line,   reading 1 letter at a time, could someone let me know how 
to change this?

>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Angelo
>>>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Voice verbosity

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

All that sort of thing is dealt with in the Verbosity options that you've been 
modifying.  It sounds to me that you may be using one of the other third party 
voice options as they have been known to behave differently than expected.  Not 
sure if there is any way around that though.

Later...

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On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Angelo  wrote:

> Thanks again,,, but none of the options in the Capital menu correct the way 
> VO handles all cap words or names in a email message that are all caps. 
> although some words are just spoken  correctly and not spelled. out. is there 
> a option to adjust the way VO handles miss spelled words or words and number 
> combinations?
> Angelo
> a.rock...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Jimmy Podsim  wrote:
> 
>> I think you change it to none.  Then if you need to proof read you can 
>> change it back quickly the same way.
>> 
>> God bless our troops and God bless America again.
>> 
>> Jimmy Podsim.
>> http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.podsim/
>> Yahoo messenger, jp.kd5...@att.net
>> 
>> jp.kd5...@att.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Angelo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for the tip, but what do I change it to? currently it's on change 
>>> pitch?
>>> Angelo
>>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:36 AM, isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> First press vo v to open the verbosity. 
>>>> Next press the right arrow to get to capitals. 
>>>> Next press the down arrow to change the setting.  Then press the escape 
>>>> key  when you are finished.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Angelo  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , is the way 
>>>>> VO handles all caps like in an email subject line,   reading 1 letter at 
>>>>> a time, could someone let me know how to change this?
>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Angelo
>>>>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: Voice verbosity

[Angelo]

Thanks again,,, but none of the options in the Capital menu correct the way VO 
handles all cap words or names in a email message that are all caps. although 
some words are just spoken  correctly and not spelled. out. is there a option 
to adjust the way VO handles miss spelled words or words and number 
combinations?
Angelo
a.rock...@gmail.com



On Jul 16, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Jimmy Podsim  wrote:

> I think you change it to none.  Then if you need to proof read you can change 
> it back quickly the same way.
> 
> God bless our troops and God bless America again.
> 
> Jimmy Podsim.
> http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.podsim/
> Yahoo messenger, jp.kd5...@att.net
> 
> jp.kd5...@att.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Angelo  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the tip, but what do I change it to? currently it's on change 
>> pitch?
>> Angelo
>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:36 AM, isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> First press vo v to open the verbosity. 
>>> Next press the right arrow to get to capitals. 
>>> Next press the down arrow to change the setting.  Then press the escape key 
>>>  when you are finished.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Angelo  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , is the way 
>>>> VO handles all caps like in an email subject line,   reading 1 letter at a 
>>>> time, could someone let me know how to change this?
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>> 
>>>> Angelo
>>>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Voice verbosity

[Jimmy Podsim]

I think you change it to none.  Then if you need to proof read you can change 
it back quickly the same way.

God bless our troops and God bless America again.

Jimmy Podsim.
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Yahoo messenger, jp.kd5...@att.net

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On Jul 16, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Angelo  wrote:

> Thanks for the tip, but what do I change it to? currently it's on change 
> pitch?
> Angelo
> a.rock...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:36 AM, isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> First press vo v to open the verbosity. 
>> Next press the right arrow to get to capitals. 
>> Next press the down arrow to change the setting.  Then press the escape key  
>> when you are finished.
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Angelo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , is the way 
>>> VO handles all caps like in an email subject line,   reading 1 letter at a 
>>> time, could someone let me know how to change this?
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> 
>>> Angelo
>>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>>> 
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Re: Voice verbosity

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I personally have it set to speak, so it will just say "Cap A etc.
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On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Angelo  wrote:

> Thanks for the tip, but what do I change it to? currently it's on change 
> pitch?
> Angelo
> a.rock...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:36 AM, isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> First press vo v to open the verbosity. 
>> Next press the right arrow to get to capitals. 
>> Next press the down arrow to change the setting.  Then press the escape key  
>> when you are finished.
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Angelo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , is the way 
>>> VO handles all caps like in an email subject line,   reading 1 letter at a 
>>> time, could someone let me know how to change this?
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> 
>>> Angelo
>>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Voice verbosity

[Angelo]

Thanks for the tip, but what do I change it to? currently it's on change pitch?
Angelo
a.rock...@gmail.com



On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:36 AM, isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

> First press vo v to open the verbosity. 
> Next press the right arrow to get to capitals. 
> Next press the down arrow to change the setting.  Then press the escape key  
> when you are finished.
> 
> On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Angelo  wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , is the way VO 
>> handles all caps like in an email subject line,   reading 1 letter at a 
>> time, could someone let me know how to change this?
>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Angelo
>> a.rock...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Voice verbosity

[Christopher Hallsworth]

I press return personally and it works.

On 16/07/2014 13:36, isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

First press vo v to open the verbosity.
Next press the right arrow to get to capitals.
Next press the down arrow to change the setting.  Then press the escape key  
when you are finished.

On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Angelo  wrote:


Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , is the way VO 
handles all caps like in an email subject line,   reading 1 letter at a time, 
could someone let me know how to change this?
Thanks in advance!

Angelo
a.rock...@gmail.com



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Re: Voice verbosity

[isaac . hebert]

First press vo v to open the verbosity. 
Next press the right arrow to get to capitals. 
Next press the down arrow to change the setting.  Then press the escape key  
when you are finished.

On Jul 16, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Angelo  wrote:

> Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , is the way VO 
> handles all caps like in an email subject line,   reading 1 letter at a time, 
> could someone let me know how to change this?
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Angelo
> a.rock...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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Voice verbosity

[Angelo]

Hey guys, One thing that has been bugging me for a while now , is the way VO 
handles all caps like in an email subject line,   reading 1 letter at a time, 
could someone let me know how to change this?
Thanks in advance!

Angelo
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Date Pickers and VoiceOver Verbosity

[Nicholas Parsons]

Hi list,
Since I customised VoiceOver verbosity, VoiceOver now doesn't announce dates 
correctly in those OS X date pickers such as in Calendar etcetera which allow 
you to interact and adjust a date. Instead of giving the date, month and year, 
VoiceOver only announces the date and year, skipping the month entirely. I've 
now switched my general verbosity setting back to medium, and just went through 
every setting and put it to default and tested, but VoiceOver continues not to 
announced the dates correctly. Does anyone know what kind of element those date 
pickers are and how I might be able to get VoiceOver back to normal without 
messing up too many other things? Obviously I could go back to default settings 
or something but I'd ideally like not to do that.
Cheers,
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Re: VoiceOver Additional Verbosity Options (was Safari 2 items, 3 items and internal link?)

[Nicholas Parsons]

Thanks, Tim. I'll see if I can survive without them and if not I'll switch 
back. I think I'll need to spend a fair bit of time experimenting to learn what 
they all do and what are the optimum settings for me.
Cheers,
Nic

On 20 Jan 2013, at 2:52 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Not positive, but I believe that you may wish to put the general verbosity 
setting back to medium but adjust specific elements to low.  There are some 
things that are not mentioned under the Additional Speech Verbosity options 
that are affected when you set verbosity to low, medium or high.  Therefore, if 
you prefer certain elements to have a specific verbosity level and they’re not 
necessary mentioned as modifiable, then I’m thinking that this is the way to 
go.  I haven’t played with these settings since 10.5 or so thus can’t pretend 
to know much about them.  I do recall, though, the behaviour I’m hinting about.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 19, 2013, at 1:18 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> HI Tim and others,
> I've now customised my verbosity options. I've chosen low but tweaked a 
> couple of things in the custom table. However, VoiceOver now doesn't seem to 
> read app badges when I switch to that app in the app chooser. For instance, 
> when I command tab to Mail with verbosity set to medium, VoiceOver used to 
> read how many items there were. Do you know what I have to adjust in the 
> verbosity settings to get VoiceOver to read these badges again? I've tried 
> app but this doesn't seem to work.
> Cheers,
> Nic
> 
> On 19 Jan 2013, at 6:29 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Tim! I never noticed that option before. For anyone else looking for 
> this, in Mountain Lion at least it's called "additional speech verbosity 
> options check box". I had played with low verbosity before but didn't like 
> that it wouldn't announce buttons, so this should be great for me. Thanks 
> again.
> Nic
> On 18 Jan 2013, at 2:48 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Have you looked at the advanced verbosity settings within the VO Utility?  
> When in the Verbosity pane of VO Utility, check the box for Advanced Speech 
> Verbosity options, then Interact with the Table and go down the list.  You 
> could change the verbosity level for specific elements to a lower level.  
> This may reduce VO’s verbosity for those sorts of elements to a level you 
> more prefer.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> The two items three items thing you're hearing is most likely lists with 
>> several items. Whenever VoiceOver encounters a list or sub-list, it 
>> announces how many items are in the list. I agree it's overly verbose and 
>> not really necessary. It's VoiceOver treating the HTML  and  tags as 
>> a separate element, which it's not. I wish there was a way to make VoiceOver 
>> read a paragraph or whole HTML element at a time without being interrupted 
>> by links and the like. I like the way I can navigate through webpages with 
>> JAWS on Internet Explorer with control down arrow — I wish there was 
>> something similar with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> For internal links, however, it's important that VoiceOver distinguishes 
>> these from ordinary links. Ordinary links take you to another webpage, 
>> whereas internal links take you somewhere else on the webpage you are 
>> currently on. They are usually used to navigate from the top of the page to 
>> the start of the main article or substance of the page. You probably come 
>> across those on many pages called skip to main internal link and the like.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Nic
>> 
>> 
>> On 17/11/2013, at 7:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if you interact with the two items and three items things, you will 
>> notice that you can see items on the page that you cannot see without 
>> interacting with those items.  Not everything on the page is visible on the 
>> surface look of the page.  So, if you see an item with a label on it that 
>> says something like info tab with five items, and you interact with it, you 
>> will notice things there that you would not see until you interact with it.  
>> Why?  Much of it has to do with the way the page is written and how Voice 
>> Over is seeing that code.  So, in other words, it’s not a bug, rather, it’s 
>> got to do with the new designing of pages and how we interact with it.  Same 
>> with the internal links.  I suspect that clicking on these internal links 
>> reveals parts of the page that could not otherwise be seen.  the w

Re: VoiceOver Additional Verbosity Options (was Safari 2 items, 3 items and internal link?)

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Not positive, but I believe that you may wish to put the general verbosity 
setting back to medium but adjust specific elements to low.  There are some 
things that are not mentioned under the Additional Speech Verbosity options 
that are affected when you set verbosity to low, medium or high.  Therefore, if 
you prefer certain elements to have a specific verbosity level and they’re not 
necessary mentioned as modifiable, then I’m thinking that this is the way to 
go.  I haven’t played with these settings since 10.5 or so thus can’t pretend 
to know much about them.  I do recall, though, the behaviour I’m hinting about.

HTH.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 19, 2013, at 1:18 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> HI Tim and others,
> I've now customised my verbosity options. I've chosen low but tweaked a 
> couple of things in the custom table. However, VoiceOver now doesn't seem to 
> read app badges when I switch to that app in the app chooser. For instance, 
> when I command tab to Mail with verbosity set to medium, VoiceOver used to 
> read how many items there were. Do you know what I have to adjust in the 
> verbosity settings to get VoiceOver to read these badges again? I've tried 
> app but this doesn't seem to work.
> Cheers,
> Nic
> 
> On 19 Jan 2013, at 6:29 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Tim! I never noticed that option before. For anyone else looking for 
> this, in Mountain Lion at least it's called "additional speech verbosity 
> options check box". I had played with low verbosity before but didn't like 
> that it wouldn't announce buttons, so this should be great for me. Thanks 
> again.
> Nic
> On 18 Jan 2013, at 2:48 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Have you looked at the advanced verbosity settings within the VO Utility?  
> When in the Verbosity pane of VO Utility, check the box for Advanced Speech 
> Verbosity options, then Interact with the Table and go down the list.  You 
> could change the verbosity level for specific elements to a lower level.  
> This may reduce VO’s verbosity for those sorts of elements to a level you 
> more prefer.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> The two items three items thing you're hearing is most likely lists with 
>> several items. Whenever VoiceOver encounters a list or sub-list, it 
>> announces how many items are in the list. I agree it's overly verbose and 
>> not really necessary. It's VoiceOver treating the HTML  and  tags as 
>> a separate element, which it's not. I wish there was a way to make VoiceOver 
>> read a paragraph or whole HTML element at a time without being interrupted 
>> by links and the like. I like the way I can navigate through webpages with 
>> JAWS on Internet Explorer with control down arrow — I wish there was 
>> something similar with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> For internal links, however, it's important that VoiceOver distinguishes 
>> these from ordinary links. Ordinary links take you to another webpage, 
>> whereas internal links take you somewhere else on the webpage you are 
>> currently on. They are usually used to navigate from the top of the page to 
>> the start of the main article or substance of the page. You probably come 
>> across those on many pages called skip to main internal link and the like.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Nic
>> 
>> 
>> On 17/11/2013, at 7:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if you interact with the two items and three items things, you will 
>> notice that you can see items on the page that you cannot see without 
>> interacting with those items.  Not everything on the page is visible on the 
>> surface look of the page.  So, if you see an item with a label on it that 
>> says something like info tab with five items, and you interact with it, you 
>> will notice things there that you would not see until you interact with it.  
>> Why?  Much of it has to do with the way the page is written and how Voice 
>> Over is seeing that code.  So, in other words, it’s not a bug, rather, it’s 
>> got to do with the new designing of pages and how we interact with it.  Same 
>> with the internal links.  I suspect that clicking on these internal links 
>> reveals parts of the page that could not otherwise be seen.  the web is not 
>> going to stand still for our benefit.  It’s changing, and, the way Voice 
>> Over sees and deals with the code must change with it and, frankly, so must 
>> our old and now outdated perceptions of how we understand the web.
>> 
>> 
>>

VoiceOver Additional Verbosity Options (was Safari 2 items, 3 items and internal link?)

[Nicholas Parsons]

HI Tim and others,
I've now customised my verbosity options. I've chosen low but tweaked a couple 
of things in the custom table. However, VoiceOver now doesn't seem to read app 
badges when I switch to that app in the app chooser. For instance, when I 
command tab to Mail with verbosity set to medium, VoiceOver used to read how 
many items there were. Do you know what I have to adjust in the verbosity 
settings to get VoiceOver to read these badges again? I've tried app but this 
doesn't seem to work.
Cheers,
Nic

On 19 Jan 2013, at 6:29 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

Thanks, Tim! I never noticed that option before. For anyone else looking for 
this, in Mountain Lion at least it's called "additional speech verbosity 
options check box". I had played with low verbosity before but didn't like that 
it wouldn't announce buttons, so this should be great for me. Thanks again.
Nic
On 18 Jan 2013, at 2:48 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Have you looked at the advanced verbosity settings within the VO Utility?  When 
in the Verbosity pane of VO Utility, check the box for Advanced Speech 
Verbosity options, then Interact with the Table and go down the list.  You 
could change the verbosity level for specific elements to a lower level.  This 
may reduce VO’s verbosity for those sorts of elements to a level you more 
prefer.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> The two items three items thing you're hearing is most likely lists with 
> several items. Whenever VoiceOver encounters a list or sub-list, it announces 
> how many items are in the list. I agree it's overly verbose and not really 
> necessary. It's VoiceOver treating the HTML  and  tags as a separate 
> element, which it's not. I wish there was a way to make VoiceOver read a 
> paragraph or whole HTML element at a time without being interrupted by links 
> and the like. I like the way I can navigate through webpages with JAWS on 
> Internet Explorer with control down arrow — I wish there was something 
> similar with VoiceOver.
> 
> For internal links, however, it's important that VoiceOver distinguishes 
> these from ordinary links. Ordinary links take you to another webpage, 
> whereas internal links take you somewhere else on the webpage you are 
> currently on. They are usually used to navigate from the top of the page to 
> the start of the main article or substance of the page. You probably come 
> across those on many pages called skip to main internal link and the like.
> 
> Best,
> Nic
> 
> 
> On 17/11/2013, at 7:53 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Well, if you interact with the two items and three items things, you will 
> notice that you can see items on the page that you cannot see without 
> interacting with those items.  Not everything on the page is visible on the 
> surface look of the page.  So, if you see an item with a label on it that 
> says something like info tab with five items, and you interact with it, you 
> will notice things there that you would not see until you interact with it.  
> Why?  Much of it has to do with the way the page is written and how Voice 
> Over is seeing that code.  So, in other words, it’s not a bug, rather, it’s 
> got to do with the new designing of pages and how we interact with it.  Same 
> with the internal links.  I suspect that clicking on these internal links 
> reveals parts of the page that could not otherwise be seen.  the web is not 
> going to stand still for our benefit.  It’s changing, and, the way Voice Over 
> sees and deals with the code must change with it and, frankly, so must our 
> old and now outdated perceptions of how we understand the web.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Nov 16, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Daniel McGee  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, with Safari, anyone no why on earth we get with Voiceover 2 items, 3 
>> items oh and lets not forget that internal link now and then.
>> 
>> I don't know if its me but these little things in Safari are starting to get 
>> on my nerves.
>> Guess you could say I'm moaning. lol 
>> 
>> Do they annoy others here. I do filter it out now and then but sometimes I 
>> wonder how these bugs creep in. 
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Re: hint for lessening verbosity

[Alex Hall]

I don't think so, but if you can find a way, please let us know.
On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:32 PM, Rachel Feinberg  wrote:

> Is there a way to make voiceover not lower in pitch when entering a search 
> field, or consequently, when encountering a data detector and raising it's 
> pitch? Changing the default isn't what seems to make this happen, but only in 
> those 2 scenarios, of entering a search field or in data detectors, does VO 
> feel the need to change pitch.
> Thanks,
> Rachel
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Larry Skutchan  wrote:
> 
>> No, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the data detector was in that list of 
>> controls.
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>>> Did you even find a setting for data detectors? Never mind getting read of 
>>> all 3 elements: Name status and type. Would love to reduce even by one.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ioana
>>> 
>>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>>> stores.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Larry Skutchan  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I only wish there were also a way to turn off notifications about data 
>>>> detecters, lists, and list items… It looks like you should be able to 
>>>> uncheck the name, state, and status, but this does not work. It looks like 
>>>> the settings want you to keep at least one of them on.
>>>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> A quick hint for lessening verbosity. If you're like me and don't like 
>>>>> hearing more than you have to, you can turn off some control types. Go to 
>>>>> the vo utility, verbosity item, then the speech tab. Check the more 
>>>>> options checkbox, then interact with the table after it. You will see a 
>>>>> column of controls (checkboxes, links, headings, and so on), a column of 
>>>>> verbosity settings so you cna configure the verbosity for each control 
>>>>> type, and a column of what order vo reads a given control's information 
>>>>> in. Find the control type, say checkbox, and then click the popup button 
>>>>> in the second column. Arrow down to customize and hit space. Now you are 
>>>>> in a dialog with a table; interact and adjust things as you want them. 
>>>>> What I did was turn off "type" for both checkboxes and disclosure 
>>>>> triangles, since checkboxes are the only controls that will be checked or 
>>>>> unchecked, and disclosure triangles are the only ones to be expanded or 
>>>>> collapsed. This way I don't have to hear the type of control if I can 
>>>>> tell what it is from it's state. Hope that made sense... someone is 
>>>>> probably going to tell me there's an easier way to do it, but that's what 
>>>>> I came up with.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: hint for lessening verbosity

[Rachel Feinberg]

Is there a way to make voiceover not lower in pitch when entering a search 
field, or consequently, when encountering a data detector and raising it's 
pitch? Changing the default isn't what seems to make this happen, but only in 
those 2 scenarios, of entering a search field or in data detectors, does VO 
feel the need to change pitch.
Thanks,
Rachel
On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Larry Skutchan  wrote:

> No, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the data detector was in that list of 
> controls.
> 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
>> Did you even find a setting for data detectors? Never mind getting read of 
>> all 3 elements: Name status and type. Would love to reduce even by one.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
>> stores.
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Larry Skutchan  wrote:
>> 
>>> I only wish there were also a way to turn off notifications about data 
>>> detecters, lists, and list items… It looks like you should be able to 
>>> uncheck the name, state, and status, but this does not work. It looks like 
>>> the settings want you to keep at least one of them on.
>>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> A quick hint for lessening verbosity. If you're like me and don't like 
>>>> hearing more than you have to, you can turn off some control types. Go to 
>>>> the vo utility, verbosity item, then the speech tab. Check the more 
>>>> options checkbox, then interact with the table after it. You will see a 
>>>> column of controls (checkboxes, links, headings, and so on), a column of 
>>>> verbosity settings so you cna configure the verbosity for each control 
>>>> type, and a column of what order vo reads a given control's information 
>>>> in. Find the control type, say checkbox, and then click the popup button 
>>>> in the second column. Arrow down to customize and hit space. Now you are 
>>>> in a dialog with a table; interact and adjust things as you want them. 
>>>> What I did was turn off "type" for both checkboxes and disclosure 
>>>> triangles, since checkboxes are the only controls that will be checked or 
>>>> unchecked, and disclosure triangles are the only ones to be expanded or 
>>>> collapsed. This way I don't have to hear the type of control if I can tell 
>>>> what it is from it's state. Hope that made sense... someone is probably 
>>>> going to tell me there's an easier way to do it, but that's what I came up 
>>>> with.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Have a great day,
>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: hint for lessening verbosity

[Larry Skutchan]

No, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the data detector was in that list of 
controls.

On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Did you even find a setting for data detectors? Never mind getting read of 
> all 3 elements: Name status and type. Would love to reduce even by one.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Larry Skutchan  wrote:
> 
>> I only wish there were also a way to turn off notifications about data 
>> detecters, lists, and list items… It looks like you should be able to 
>> uncheck the name, state, and status, but this does not work. It looks like 
>> the settings want you to keep at least one of them on.
>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> A quick hint for lessening verbosity. If you're like me and don't like 
>>> hearing more than you have to, you can turn off some control types. Go to 
>>> the vo utility, verbosity item, then the speech tab. Check the more options 
>>> checkbox, then interact with the table after it. You will see a column of 
>>> controls (checkboxes, links, headings, and so on), a column of verbosity 
>>> settings so you cna configure the verbosity for each control type, and a 
>>> column of what order vo reads a given control's information in. Find the 
>>> control type, say checkbox, and then click the popup button in the second 
>>> column. Arrow down to customize and hit space. Now you are in a dialog with 
>>> a table; interact and adjust things as you want them. What I did was turn 
>>> off "type" for both checkboxes and disclosure triangles, since checkboxes 
>>> are the only controls that will be checked or unchecked, and disclosure 
>>> triangles are the only ones to be expanded or collapsed. This way I don't 
>>> have to hear the type of control if I can tell what it is from it's state. 
>>> Hope that made sense... someone is probably going to tell me there's an 
>>> easier way to do it, but that's what I came up with.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>>> 
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Re: hint for lessening verbosity

[Alex Hall]

I didn't see anything about data detectors, which makes sense as the table I 
described lists GUI controls, and a data detector is not a control (controls 
are lists, buttons, text boxes, and so forth). If anyone happens upon a data 
detector setting, please share it with the rest of us!
On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Did you even find a setting for data detectors? Never mind getting read of 
> all 3 elements: Name status and type. Would love to reduce even by one.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
> 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Larry Skutchan  wrote:
> 
>> I only wish there were also a way to turn off notifications about data 
>> detecters, lists, and list items… It looks like you should be able to 
>> uncheck the name, state, and status, but this does not work. It looks like 
>> the settings want you to keep at least one of them on.
>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> A quick hint for lessening verbosity. If you're like me and don't like 
>>> hearing more than you have to, you can turn off some control types. Go to 
>>> the vo utility, verbosity item, then the speech tab. Check the more options 
>>> checkbox, then interact with the table after it. You will see a column of 
>>> controls (checkboxes, links, headings, and so on), a column of verbosity 
>>> settings so you cna configure the verbosity for each control type, and a 
>>> column of what order vo reads a given control's information in. Find the 
>>> control type, say checkbox, and then click the popup button in the second 
>>> column. Arrow down to customize and hit space. Now you are in a dialog with 
>>> a table; interact and adjust things as you want them. What I did was turn 
>>> off "type" for both checkboxes and disclosure triangles, since checkboxes 
>>> are the only controls that will be checked or unchecked, and disclosure 
>>> triangles are the only ones to be expanded or collapsed. This way I don't 
>>> have to hear the type of control if I can tell what it is from it's state. 
>>> Hope that made sense... someone is probably going to tell me there's an 
>>> easier way to do it, but that's what I came up with.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>>> 
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Re: hint for lessening verbosity

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Did you even find a setting for data detectors? Never mind getting read of all 
3 elements: Name status and type. Would love to reduce even by one.

Thanks,

Ioana

Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
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On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Larry Skutchan  wrote:

> I only wish there were also a way to turn off notifications about data 
> detecters, lists, and list items… It looks like you should be able to uncheck 
> the name, state, and status, but this does not work. It looks like the 
> settings want you to keep at least one of them on.
> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> A quick hint for lessening verbosity. If you're like me and don't like 
>> hearing more than you have to, you can turn off some control types. Go to 
>> the vo utility, verbosity item, then the speech tab. Check the more options 
>> checkbox, then interact with the table after it. You will see a column of 
>> controls (checkboxes, links, headings, and so on), a column of verbosity 
>> settings so you cna configure the verbosity for each control type, and a 
>> column of what order vo reads a given control's information in. Find the 
>> control type, say checkbox, and then click the popup button in the second 
>> column. Arrow down to customize and hit space. Now you are in a dialog with 
>> a table; interact and adjust things as you want them. What I did was turn 
>> off "type" for both checkboxes and disclosure triangles, since checkboxes 
>> are the only controls that will be checked or unchecked, and disclosure 
>> triangles are the only ones to be expanded or collapsed. This way I don't 
>> have to hear the type of control if I can tell what it is from it's state. 
>> Hope that made sense... someone is probably going to tell me there's an 
>> easier way to do it, but that's what I came up with.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: hint for lessening verbosity

[Larry Skutchan]

I only wish there were also a way to turn off notifications about data 
detecters, lists, and list items… It looks like you should be able to uncheck 
the name, state, and status, but this does not work. It looks like the settings 
want you to keep at least one of them on.
On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> A quick hint for lessening verbosity. If you're like me and don't like 
> hearing more than you have to, you can turn off some control types. Go to the 
> vo utility, verbosity item, then the speech tab. Check the more options 
> checkbox, then interact with the table after it. You will see a column of 
> controls (checkboxes, links, headings, and so on), a column of verbosity 
> settings so you cna configure the verbosity for each control type, and a 
> column of what order vo reads a given control's information in. Find the 
> control type, say checkbox, and then click the popup button in the second 
> column. Arrow down to customize and hit space. Now you are in a dialog with a 
> table; interact and adjust things as you want them. What I did was turn off 
> "type" for both checkboxes and disclosure triangles, since checkboxes are the 
> only controls that will be checked or unchecked, and disclosure triangles are 
> the only ones to be expanded or collapsed. This way I don't have to hear the 
> type of control if I can tell what it is from it's state. Hope that made 
> sense... someone is probably going to tell me there's an easier way to do it, 
> but that's what I came up with.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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hint for lessening verbosity

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
A quick hint for lessening verbosity. If you're like me and don't like hearing 
more than you have to, you can turn off some control types. Go to the vo 
utility, verbosity item, then the speech tab. Check the more options checkbox, 
then interact with the table after it. You will see a column of controls 
(checkboxes, links, headings, and so on), a column of verbosity settings so you 
cna configure the verbosity for each control type, and a column of what order 
vo reads a given control's information in. Find the control type, say checkbox, 
and then click the popup button in the second column. Arrow down to customize 
and hit space. Now you are in a dialog with a table; interact and adjust things 
as you want them. What I did was turn off "type" for both checkboxes and 
disclosure triangles, since checkboxes are the only controls that will be 
checked or unchecked, and disclosure triangles are the only ones to be expanded 
or collapsed. This way I don't have to hear the type of control if I can tell 
what it is from it's state. Hope that made sense... someone is probably going 
to tell me there's an easier way to do it, but that's what I came up with.


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: table verbosity

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi Rachel.
I like the streaming, it's just VO saying how many rows are being added right 
in the middle of something that's annoying.
Thanks though.


On 2012-07-12, at 6:11 PM, Rachel Feinberg wrote:

> hi Matthew,
> 
> If you want to turn this off in Night owl, or greatly decrease VO saying how 
> many rows are added, turn off real time streaming. You do this in the 
> following way:
> Go to preferences with command+comma.
> then go to the general button, and vo right arrow until you get to a checkbox 
> that says enable real time streaming. If you uncheck that, then the home 
> timeline or any other timeline will only refresh to the time you set earlier 
> in the preferences with the  steppers.
> Best,
> Rachel
> On Jul 12, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone.
>> I'm wondering what verbosity option I need to change so I can stop VO from 
>> saying "22 rows added?"
>> This is especially annoying in both mail and the Japanese swearword. When 
>> you try to scroll through tweets and messages, you're message or tweet gets 
>> interrupted by VO saying how many rows were added.
>> If anyone can help, That'd be awesome.
>> Thanks a lot.
>> 
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Re: table verbosity

[Rachel Feinberg]

hi Matthew,

If you want to turn this off in Night owl, or greatly decrease VO saying how 
many rows are added, turn off real time streaming. You do this in the following 
way:
Go to preferences with command+comma.
then go to the general button, and vo right arrow until you get to a checkbox 
that says enable real time streaming. If you uncheck that, then the home 
timeline or any other timeline will only refresh to the time you set earlier in 
the preferences with the  steppers.
Best,
Rachel
On Jul 12, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> Hi everyone.
> I'm wondering what verbosity option I need to change so I can stop VO from 
> saying "22 rows added?"
> This is especially annoying in both mail and the Japanese swearword. When you 
> try to scroll through tweets and messages, you're message or tweet gets 
> interrupted by VO saying how many rows were added.
> If anyone can help, That'd be awesome.
> Thanks a lot.
> 
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table verbosity

[Matthew Campbell]

Hi everyone.
I'm wondering what verbosity option I need to change so I can stop VO from 
saying "22 rows added?"
This is especially annoying in both mail and the Japanese swearword. When you 
try to scroll through tweets and messages, you're message or tweet gets 
interrupted by VO saying how many rows were added.
If anyone can help, That'd be awesome.
Thanks a lot.


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verbosity level

[Pam Mathers]

Hi.  I have a question about verbosity levels.  When you turn a music channel 
up to onehundred percent verbosity level, what does that mean?  Thanks.

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discovering cool custom verbosity options

[Ioana Gandrabur]

HI all,

I am playing around with speech verbosity settings and found an interesting way 
to customize order of info being spoken by VO. I got checkboxes to say 
unchecked or checked before the actual info of the checkbox. Some controls are 
very obscure to me like drawers or list markers but it is worth playing around 
with this I think.
Does anyone know of a more in-depth explanation of each control in the custom 
verbosity table?

Still would love to get VO to be less verbose when selecting items in items 
select mode. Any ideas of how or if this is possible would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks,

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question about customizing verbosity and its explanation in "getting started guide"

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi all,
I was looking in chapter 9 of VO getting started about customizing verbosity 
and have a question.
After the list of options one can change in speech verbosity there is a very 
interesting phrase that I cannot make sense of:
(Incidentally copy function does not work in that help interface unfortunately).
To change the order in which VoiceOver provides the information, choose 
Customize from the Verbosity pop-up menu, and then follow the instructions in 
the pop up. Or you can navigate to Description and type the elements (Status, 
Type, or Name) you want to hear in the order you want to hear them.
I copied this text by using the cool vo command vo +shift +c. Nice workaround 
when selecting on web pages does not work well.

But back to the guide itself.
I cannot find any such popup menu and customizable options. 

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Best regards,

Ioana Gandrabur
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Re: Mail verbosity

[Traci]

Hello Esther,

I believe he means in the new mail view, in the messages table, when a message 
is a conversation.  VO says 3 message conversation, meaning 3 messages inside 
that thread.

I just played around further with my verbosity settings, and changed the speech 
to low.  Unfortunately, this only changed unread button, to unread.  Lol, 
taking the word button off wasn't enough to me.

Hopefully, we can figure something out.  :)
Traci
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On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Bill,
> 
> I'm only recently upgraded to Lion, so it's possible that I don't know what 
> you're talking about when you speak of the three-message conversation and the 
> two-message conversation.  But if you are using Mail in Lion and not in the 
> Classic view, then there are check boxes in the Mail Preferences pane that 
> let you change the number of lines that are displayed.  Use Command-comma to 
> bring up Preferences, then Control-F5 to move to the title bar.  Navigate to 
> the "Viewing" button and press to select.  I do this by tabbing and then 
> VO-Space on "Viewing", so I can continue to tab into the selected pane 
> without having to stop interacting. Navigate past the unchecked box for "Use 
> classic layout".  After "List Preview:" there is a pop up menu button that 
> you can change from the default value of "2 lines" to "None".  Close the 
> window with Command-W when you're done.
> 
> Is this the setting you're talking about?  I'm still mostly using Classic 
> view for mail. Also, are you using Activities to set different verbosity 
> levels for your applications?  I haven't experimented with that yet.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> I have found the  setting in  verbosity to turn off VO saying disclosure 
>> triangle before each group of messages.  But is there also a setting that 
>> will turn off or shorten the three message conversation, two message 
>> conversation, etc.?  Thanks.
>> Bill
>> 
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Re: Mail verbosity

[Esther]

Hi Bill,

I'm only recently upgraded to Lion, so it's possible that I don't know what 
you're talking about when you speak of the three-message conversation and the 
two-message conversation.  But if you are using Mail in Lion and not in the 
Classic view, then there are check boxes in the Mail Preferences pane that let 
you change the number of lines that are displayed.  Use Command-comma to bring 
up Preferences, then Control-F5 to move to the title bar.  Navigate to the 
"Viewing" button and press to select.  I do this by tabbing and then VO-Space 
on "Viewing", so I can continue to tab into the selected pane without having to 
stop interacting. Navigate past the unchecked box for "Use classic layout".  
After "List Preview:" there is a pop up menu button that you can change from 
the default value of "2 lines" to "None".  Close the window with Command-W when 
you're done.

Is this the setting you're talking about?  I'm still mostly using Classic view 
for mail. Also, are you using Activities to set different verbosity levels for 
your applications?  I haven't experimented with that yet.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 19, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I have found the  setting in  verbosity to turn off VO saying disclosure 
> triangle before each group of messages.  But is there also a setting that 
> will turn off or shorten the three message conversation, two message 
> conversation, etc.?  Thanks.
> Bill
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Re: Mail verbosity

[Traci]

Boy, I'd love to know this as well. I don't feel like I can zip through my mail 
on the Mac.

Traci
Sent by Macbook Air Mail

On Feb 19, 2012, at 9:24 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I have found the  setting in  verbosity to turn off VO saying disclosure 
> triangle before each group of messages.  But is there also a setting that 
> will turn off or shorten the three message conversation, two message 
> conversation, etc.?  Thanks.
> Bill
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Mail verbosity

[Bill Holton]

Hi.
I have found the  setting in  verbosity to turn off VO saying disclosure 
triangle before each group of messages.  But is there also a setting that will 
turn off or shorten the three message conversation, two message conversation, 
etc.?  Thanks.
Bill

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Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Its VO slash.

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On Oct 29, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Johnny Angel! wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Please tell us what the command is for the label feature?
> On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:16 PM, John André Netland wrote:
> 
>> In some ways you can, by using the object label feature in VoiceOver. 
>> Interact with the message list when you have an unread message there, focus 
>> on the unread button, and open the label feature to enter whatever you want 
>> VO to say instead. Every time VoiceOver sees such a button again, it will 
>> use your new term. Also, you can do the same for "Forwarded" and "Replied" 
>> messages. Just find such a message, interact until you find the correct 
>> button, and label it with something else. And of course, if you don't have a 
>> forwarded or replied message on hand, just forward or reply to yourself, to 
>> have the buttons appear in your inbox. :)
>> 
>> ***
>> John André Netland - Voice/SMS/MMS (+47) 971 68 794
>> Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no
>> ***
>> 
>> On 24. okt. 2011, at 20:53, Bill Holton wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks.  I had found the disclosure triangle setting, and that helps.  I 
>>> was hoping I could find some way to change the rest, though.  Currently in 
>>> Outlook I have my screen reader saying re instead of red and f instead of 
>>> forwarded and u for unread.  Doesn’t sound like much, but it sure does make 
>>> scrolling through mail a lot more pleasurable experience.  Are these 
>>> announcements in Mail icons that can be renamed, and if so, how would I do 
>>> that.
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John André Netland
>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:47 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> If a message is the first to appear with this topic, you will only see the 
>>> name of the sender. If there is a conversation going on, and you still have 
>>> the previous messages stored, the number of new messages in the thread is 
>>> shown. If there is only one new, the number will be 1. This way, you always 
>>> know how many messages have been added to the conversation. This will vary 
>>> a bit from your setup and use of Mail, but in general, this is a way to 
>>> explain it.
>>>  
>>> For the announcements, you have the ability to restrict much of what 
>>> VoiceOver says in VoiceOver Utility. For example, you can go to the 
>>> Verbosity category, choose the Speech verbosity tab, click the checkbox to 
>>> show the detailed list of verbosity options, and find the "Disclosure 
>>> triangle" control. Set this to Custom, and uncheck the Type checkbox. This 
>>> will make VoiceOver only say the number, and if the triangle is open or 
>>> closed.
>>>  
>>> HOpe this helps!
>>>  
>>> John André
>>>  
>>> ***
>>> John André Netland - Voice/SMS/MMS (+47) 971 68 794
>>> Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no
>>> ***
>>>  
>>> On 24. okt. 2011, at 04:12, Candie Stiles wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Both of your questions are excellent. If someone has the answers to these I 
>>> would love to know as well. Especially the question about getting rid of 
>>> all the exess chatter voice over reads when there is more than one message 
>>> in a conversation.
>>> Candie
>>> On Oct 23, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi.When I have my emails grouped by conversation how come I get several 
>>> “One message in conversation” notifications whereas other single messages 
>>> do not have this?
>>> Also, is there any way I can cut back on some of the excess verbiage when I 
>>> get some thing like “Four message conversation?” Would rather it say 
>>> something like 4mc or something like that.
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
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Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

[Johnny Angel!]

Hi!

Please tell us what the command is for the label feature?
On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:16 PM, John André Netland wrote:

> In some ways you can, by using the object label feature in VoiceOver. 
> Interact with the message list when you have an unread message there, focus 
> on the unread button, and open the label feature to enter whatever you want 
> VO to say instead. Every time VoiceOver sees such a button again, it will use 
> your new term. Also, you can do the same for "Forwarded" and "Replied" 
> messages. Just find such a message, interact until you find the correct 
> button, and label it with something else. And of course, if you don't have a 
> forwarded or replied message on hand, just forward or reply to yourself, to 
> have the buttons appear in your inbox. :)
> 
> ***
> John André Netland - Voice/SMS/MMS (+47) 971 68 794
> Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no
> ***
> 
> On 24. okt. 2011, at 20:53, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
>> Thanks.  I had found the disclosure triangle setting, and that helps.  I was 
>> hoping I could find some way to change the rest, though.  Currently in 
>> Outlook I have my screen reader saying re instead of red and f instead of 
>> forwarded and u for unread.  Doesn’t sound like much, but it sure does make 
>> scrolling through mail a lot more pleasurable experience.  Are these 
>> announcements in Mail icons that can be renamed, and if so, how would I do 
>> that.
>> Thanks.
>>  
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John André Netland
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:47 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions
>>  
>> Hi,
>>  
>> If a message is the first to appear with this topic, you will only see the 
>> name of the sender. If there is a conversation going on, and you still have 
>> the previous messages stored, the number of new messages in the thread is 
>> shown. If there is only one new, the number will be 1. This way, you always 
>> know how many messages have been added to the conversation. This will vary a 
>> bit from your setup and use of Mail, but in general, this is a way to 
>> explain it.
>>  
>> For the announcements, you have the ability to restrict much of what 
>> VoiceOver says in VoiceOver Utility. For example, you can go to the 
>> Verbosity category, choose the Speech verbosity tab, click the checkbox to 
>> show the detailed list of verbosity options, and find the "Disclosure 
>> triangle" control. Set this to Custom, and uncheck the Type checkbox. This 
>> will make VoiceOver only say the number, and if the triangle is open or 
>> closed.
>>  
>> HOpe this helps!
>>  
>> John André
>>  
>> ***
>> John André Netland - Voice/SMS/MMS (+47) 971 68 794
>> Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no
>> ***
>>  
>> On 24. okt. 2011, at 04:12, Candie Stiles wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Both of your questions are excellent. If someone has the answers to these I 
>> would love to know as well. Especially the question about getting rid of all 
>> the exess chatter voice over reads when there is more than one message in a 
>> conversation.
>> Candie
>> On Oct 23, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi.When I have my emails grouped by conversation how come I get several “One 
>> message in conversation” notifications whereas other single messages do not 
>> have this?
>> Also, is there any way I can cut back on some of the excess verbiage when I 
>> get some thing like “Four message conversation?” Would rather it say 
>> something like 4mc or something like that.
>> Thanks.
>>  
>>  
>>  
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RE: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

[Bill Holton]

Thanks.  Figured it was there, just couldn’t find it.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John André Netland
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

 

In some ways you can, by using the object label feature in VoiceOver.
Interact with the message list when you have an unread message there, focus
on the unread button, and open the label feature to enter whatever you want
VO to say instead. Every time VoiceOver sees such a button again, it will
use your new term. Also, you can do the same for "Forwarded" and "Replied"
messages. Just find such a message, interact until you find the correct
button, and label it with something else. And of course, if you don't have a
forwarded or replied message on hand, just forward or reply to yourself, to
have the buttons appear in your inbox. :)

 

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On 24. okt. 2011, at 20:53, Bill Holton wrote:





Thanks.  I had found the disclosure triangle setting, and that helps.  I was
hoping I could find some way to change the rest, though.  Currently in
Outlook I have my screen reader saying re instead of red and f instead of
forwarded and u for unread.  Doesn’t sound like much, but it sure does make
scrolling through mail a lot more pleasurable experience.  Are these
announcements in Mail icons that can be renamed, and if so, how would I do
that.

Thanks.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John André Netland
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

 

Hi,

 

If a message is the first to appear with this topic, you will only see the
name of the sender. If there is a conversation going on, and you still have
the previous messages stored, the number of new messages in the thread is
shown. If there is only one new, the number will be 1. This way, you always
know how many messages have been added to the conversation. This will vary a
bit from your setup and use of Mail, but in general, this is a way to
explain it.

 

For the announcements, you have the ability to restrict much of what
VoiceOver says in VoiceOver Utility. For example, you can go to the
Verbosity category, choose the Speech verbosity tab, click the checkbox to
show the detailed list of verbosity options, and find the "Disclosure
triangle" control. Set this to Custom, and uncheck the Type checkbox. This
will make VoiceOver only say the number, and if the triangle is open or
closed.

 

HOpe this helps!

 

John André

 

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On 24. okt. 2011, at 04:12, Candie Stiles wrote:






Both of your questions are excellent. If someone has the answers to these I
would love to know as well. Especially the question about getting rid of all
the exess chatter voice over reads when there is more than one message in a
conversation.

Candie

On Oct 23, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Bill Holton wrote:






Hi.When I have my emails grouped by conversation how come I get several “One
message in conversation” notifications whereas other single messages do not
have this?

Also, is there any way I can cut back on some of the excess verbiage when I
get some thing like “Four message conversation?” Would rather it say
something like 4mc or something like that.

Thanks.

 

 

 

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Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

[John André Netland]

In some ways you can, by using the object label feature in VoiceOver. Interact 
with the message list when you have an unread message there, focus on the 
unread button, and open the label feature to enter whatever you want VO to say 
instead. Every time VoiceOver sees such a button again, it will use your new 
term. Also, you can do the same for "Forwarded" and "Replied" messages. Just 
find such a message, interact until you find the correct button, and label it 
with something else. And of course, if you don't have a forwarded or replied 
message on hand, just forward or reply to yourself, to have the buttons appear 
in your inbox. :)

***
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On 24. okt. 2011, at 20:53, Bill Holton wrote:

> Thanks.  I had found the disclosure triangle setting, and that helps.  I was 
> hoping I could find some way to change the rest, though.  Currently in 
> Outlook I have my screen reader saying re instead of red and f instead of 
> forwarded and u for unread.  Doesn’t sound like much, but it sure does make 
> scrolling through mail a lot more pleasurable experience.  Are these 
> announcements in Mail icons that can be renamed, and if so, how would I do 
> that.
> Thanks.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John André Netland
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:47 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions
>  
> Hi,
>  
> If a message is the first to appear with this topic, you will only see the 
> name of the sender. If there is a conversation going on, and you still have 
> the previous messages stored, the number of new messages in the thread is 
> shown. If there is only one new, the number will be 1. This way, you always 
> know how many messages have been added to the conversation. This will vary a 
> bit from your setup and use of Mail, but in general, this is a way to explain 
> it.
>  
> For the announcements, you have the ability to restrict much of what 
> VoiceOver says in VoiceOver Utility. For example, you can go to the Verbosity 
> category, choose the Speech verbosity tab, click the checkbox to show the 
> detailed list of verbosity options, and find the "Disclosure triangle" 
> control. Set this to Custom, and uncheck the Type checkbox. This will make 
> VoiceOver only say the number, and if the triangle is open or closed.
>  
> HOpe this helps!
>  
> John André
>  
> ***
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> Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no
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>  
> On 24. okt. 2011, at 04:12, Candie Stiles wrote:
> 
> 
> Both of your questions are excellent. If someone has the answers to these I 
> would love to know as well. Especially the question about getting rid of all 
> the exess chatter voice over reads when there is more than one message in a 
> conversation.
> Candie
> On Oct 23, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi.When I have my emails grouped by conversation how come I get several “One 
> message in conversation” notifications whereas other single messages do not 
> have this?
> Also, is there any way I can cut back on some of the excess verbiage when I 
> get some thing like “Four message conversation?” Would rather it say 
> something like 4mc or something like that.
> Thanks.
>  
>  
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RE: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

[Bill Holton]

Thanks.  I had found the disclosure triangle setting, and that helps.  I was
hoping I could find some way to change the rest, though.  Currently in
Outlook I have my screen reader saying re instead of red and f instead of
forwarded and u for unread.  Doesn’t sound like much, but it sure does make
scrolling through mail a lot more pleasurable experience.  Are these
announcements in Mail icons that can be renamed, and if so, how would I do
that.

Thanks.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John André Netland
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:47 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

 

Hi,

 

If a message is the first to appear with this topic, you will only see the
name of the sender. If there is a conversation going on, and you still have
the previous messages stored, the number of new messages in the thread is
shown. If there is only one new, the number will be 1. This way, you always
know how many messages have been added to the conversation. This will vary a
bit from your setup and use of Mail, but in general, this is a way to
explain it.

 

For the announcements, you have the ability to restrict much of what
VoiceOver says in VoiceOver Utility. For example, you can go to the
Verbosity category, choose the Speech verbosity tab, click the checkbox to
show the detailed list of verbosity options, and find the "Disclosure
triangle" control. Set this to Custom, and uncheck the Type checkbox. This
will make VoiceOver only say the number, and if the triangle is open or
closed.

 

HOpe this helps!

 

John André

 

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On 24. okt. 2011, at 04:12, Candie Stiles wrote:





Both of your questions are excellent. If someone has the answers to these I
would love to know as well. Especially the question about getting rid of all
the exess chatter voice over reads when there is more than one message in a
conversation.

Candie

On Oct 23, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Bill Holton wrote:





Hi.When I have my emails grouped by conversation how come I get several “One
message in conversation” notifications whereas other single messages do not
have this?

Also, is there any way I can cut back on some of the excess verbiage when I
get some thing like “Four message conversation?” Would rather it say
something like 4mc or something like that.

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Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

[John André Netland]

Hi,

If a message is the first to appear with this topic, you will only see the name 
of the sender. If there is a conversation going on, and you still have the 
previous messages stored, the number of new messages in the thread is shown. If 
there is only one new, the number will be 1. This way, you always know how many 
messages have been added to the conversation. This will vary a bit from your 
setup and use of Mail, but in general, this is a way to explain it.

For the announcements, you have the ability to restrict much of what VoiceOver 
says in VoiceOver Utility. For example, you can go to the Verbosity category, 
choose the Speech verbosity tab, click the checkbox to show the detailed list 
of verbosity options, and find the "Disclosure triangle" control. Set this to 
Custom, and uncheck the Type checkbox. This will make VoiceOver only say the 
number, and if the triangle is open or closed.

HOpe this helps!

John André

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On 24. okt. 2011, at 04:12, Candie Stiles wrote:

> Both of your questions are excellent. If someone has the answers to these I 
> would love to know as well. Especially the question about getting rid of all 
> the exess chatter voice over reads when there is more than one message in a 
> conversation.
> Candie
> On Oct 23, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
> 
>> Hi.When I have my emails grouped by conversation how come I get several “One 
>> message in conversation” notifications whereas other single messages do not 
>> have this?
>> Also, is there any way I can cut back on some of the excess verbiage when I 
>> get some thing like “Four message conversation?” Would rather it say 
>> something like 4mc or something like that.
>> Thanks.
>>  
>>  
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Re: A few verbosity withh Mail questions

[Candie Stiles]

Both of your questions are excellent. If someone has the answers to these I 
would love to know as well. Especially the question about getting rid of all 
the exess chatter voice over reads when there is more than one message in a 
conversation.
Candie
On Oct 23, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.When I have my emails grouped by conversation how come I get several “One 
> message in conversation” notifications whereas other single messages do not 
> have this?
> Also, is there any way I can cut back on some of the excess verbiage when I 
> get some thing like “Four message conversation?” Would rather it say 
> something like 4mc or something like that.
> Thanks.
>  
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A few verbosity withh Mail questions

[Bill Holton]

Hi.When I have my emails grouped by conversation how come I get several "One
message in conversation" notifications whereas other single messages do not
have this?

Also, is there any way I can cut back on some of the excess verbiage when I
get some thing like "Four message conversation?" Would rather it say
something like 4mc or something like that.

Thanks.

 

 

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word verbosity versis letter

[Eric Oyen]

I fimd muself in an uny=uauwk=l oisutuin  of learning that I cn fo better than 
that. I still hav a lot 9f practice to. Iduess that I had ti learn this on my 
own. 

sorrt that my weirds siim incohweabr. sitll Have a lot of practice to do.

this is harder than it looks. I can't make out half of what I say. will it get 
any better?

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Re: okay, VO verbosity question

[Sarah Alawami]

Is there not a status thing eather? it's been months since I've done this. lol!
On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Carolyn wrote:

> Hi Ray:
> I know there's "speak rows and collumns, but can't locate it at this time.
>  
> Carolyn
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> From: Ray Foret Jr
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:52 PM
> Subject: okay, VO verbosity question
> 
> Okay,
> 
> I'm looking now to reduce the verbosity of my VO.  I still want it to say 
> "interacting with message table 5 of 15"...you know how when you interact 
> with the messages table it always tells you how many messages are in the 
> table?  Anyhow, I set my overall verbosity to medium and checked through out 
> all the  details in the table where you adjust whether it's default, low, 
> medium or high.  I can't seem to find the item which controls whether VO says 
> this or not.  I think it's the same adjustment which occurss when you press 
> control+F3 to go to the doc and you get told, "mail, 4 of 33".  Well, When I 
> set my verbosity to medium, I just get told, "mail"  Any thoughts on what I 
> might need to adjust?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
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Re: okay, VO verbosity question

[Carolyn]

Hi Ray:
I know there's "speak rows and collumns, but can't locate it at this time.

Carolyn
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  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:52 PM
  Subject: okay, VO verbosity question


  Okay,

  I'm looking now to reduce the verbosity of my VO.  I still want it to say 
"interacting with message table 5 of 15"...you know how when you interact with 
the messages table it always tells you how many messages are in the table?  
Anyhow, I set my overall verbosity to medium and checked through out all the  
details in the table where you adjust whether it's default, low, medium or 
high.  I can't seem to find the item which controls whether VO says this or 
not.  I think it's the same adjustment which occurss when you press control+F3 
to go to the doc and you get told, "mail, 4 of 33".  Well, When I set my 
verbosity to medium, I just get told, "mail"  Any thoughts on what I might need 
to adjust?

  Thanks.


  Sincerely, 
  The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

  Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

  Skype Name:
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okay, VO verbosity question

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay,

I'm looking now to reduce the verbosity of my VO.  I still want it to say 
"interacting with message table 5 of 15"...you know how when you interact with 
the messages table it always tells you how many messages are in the table?  
Anyhow, I set my overall verbosity to medium and checked through out all the  
details in the table where you adjust whether it's default, low, medium or 
high.  I can't seem to find the item which controls whether VO says this or 
not.  I think it's the same adjustment which occurss when you press control+F3 
to go to the doc and you get told, "mail, 4 of 33".  Well, When I set my 
verbosity to medium, I just get told, "mail"  Any thoughts on what I might need 
to adjust?

Thanks.


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
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Voiceover verbosity issue

[Linda Adams]

Hello,
 
Previously I've been successful in looking through the various items in
the verbosity setting for VO.  
Now after I select the text tab, I can't get any further.  It says it is
selected, but it won't let me interact (VO shift down arrow).   I tried
VO down arrow and pressing return, they don't do anything either.   
I haven't had a problem getting into it before.  Am I overlooking
something?  Also,  VO V lets me in.
 
Another issue- while practicing with Quick Nav, I may have pressed
something that I shouldn't have and, of course, I'm not certain what it
was.  I've only customized a very few settings in VO and am wondering if
it would be a good idea to return it back to its default or factory
settings.  If this is not a bad idea, can someone tell me how to do
this?
 
TIA,
 
Linda
 

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Re: verbosity options that refuse to change

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Mik,e

You don't even have to set it to custom. Setting it to low should clear it 
entirely. I just tested it. As setting all verbosity to low will only make it 
speak the name, not type or status. That is because one attribute has to be 
set. That's unavoidable, and for good reason, as that'd not only affect Mail, 
but every other object of this type as well.

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On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Mike Pedersen wrote:

> Hi all, I'm running into a rather annoying problem that I'm wondering if 
> anyone has experienced. 
> I wish to change the verbosity of "image" to custom.  Each time I change the 
> image to have all pieces of information unchecked the changes don't get 
> saved.  As soon as I press OK the setting reverts to the previous setting 
> which was "low".  I'm making this change in the VO/verbosity/general section 
> of the voiceover settings.  
> I wondered if this was a permissions problem so I repaired my disk 
> permissions but no change.  
> 
> Any thoughts would be appreciated
> 
> Mike
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Re: verbosity options that refuse to change

[John André Netland]

Hi Mike,

In the same table, find the "Disclosure triangle" setting, select only the name 
checkbox, and see what you think about that. In my test now, (I checked with 
the triangle in the same window in VO Utility, and it worked.

Another solution is to label what you would like to change with a period or 
space with the lable feature of VO.

HOpe this helps,
John André


On 23. jan. 2010, at 00.08, Mike Pedersen wrote:

> Hi John Andre, what I'm actually trying to accomplish is to avoid the 
> ridiculously verbose images related to threading in mail.  I like to use 
> threading but all the information about expanded collapsed and so on before 
> the actual content is quite frustrating.  It might be time to see if I can 
> edit the resource file for mail directly. 
> The image navigation option you referenced only applies to the web.  
> 
> thanks
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Jan 22, 2010, at 2:59 PM, John André Netland wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> I think this simply is to avoid that no checkboxes are checked at all. I 
>> suppose you get the settings saved if you select any of the checkboxes in 
>> your custom setup before pressing OK. 
>> 
>> If your goal is to not navigate images, I will suggest you to check out the 
>> setting under the navigation category in VO Utility. There is a pop-up menu 
>> there to only navigate images with descriptions, all images or none .
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> John André
>> 
>> 
>> On 22. jan. 2010, at 23.40, Mike Pedersen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, I'm running into a rather annoying problem that I'm wondering if 
>>> anyone has experienced. 
>>> I wish to change the verbosity of "image" to custom.  Each time I change 
>>> the image to have all pieces of information unchecked the changes don't get 
>>> saved.  As soon as I press OK the setting reverts to the previous setting 
>>> which was "low".  I'm making this change in the VO/verbosity/general 
>>> section of the voiceover settings.  
>>> I wondered if this was a permissions problem so I repaired my disk 
>>> permissions but no change.  
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts would be appreciated
>>> 
>>> Mike
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Re: verbosity options that refuse to change

[Mike Pedersen]

Hi John Andre, what I'm actually trying to accomplish is to avoid the 
ridiculously verbose images related to threading in mail.  I like to use 
threading but all the information about expanded collapsed and so on before the 
actual content is quite frustrating.  It might be time to see if I can edit the 
resource file for mail directly. 
The image navigation option you referenced only applies to the web.  

thanks

Mike
  

Mike
 
On Jan 22, 2010, at 2:59 PM, John André Netland wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> 
> I think this simply is to avoid that no checkboxes are checked at all. I 
> suppose you get the settings saved if you select any of the checkboxes in 
> your custom setup before pressing OK. 
> 
> If your goal is to not navigate images, I will suggest you to check out the 
> setting under the navigation category in VO Utility. There is a pop-up menu 
> there to only navigate images with descriptions, all images or none .
> 
> Hope this helps,
> John André
> 
> 
> On 22. jan. 2010, at 23.40, Mike Pedersen wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, I'm running into a rather annoying problem that I'm wondering if 
>> anyone has experienced. 
>> I wish to change the verbosity of "image" to custom.  Each time I change the 
>> image to have all pieces of information unchecked the changes don't get 
>> saved.  As soon as I press OK the setting reverts to the previous setting 
>> which was "low".  I'm making this change in the VO/verbosity/general section 
>> of the voiceover settings.  
>> I wondered if this was a permissions problem so I repaired my disk 
>> permissions but no change.  
>> 
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: verbosity options that refuse to change

[John André Netland]

Hi Mike,

I think this simply is to avoid that no checkboxes are checked at all. I 
suppose you get the settings saved if you select any of the checkboxes in your 
custom setup before pressing OK. 

If your goal is to not navigate images, I will suggest you to check out the 
setting under the navigation category in VO Utility. There is a pop-up menu 
there to only navigate images with descriptions, all images or none .

Hope this helps,
John André


On 22. jan. 2010, at 23.40, Mike Pedersen wrote:

> Hi all, I'm running into a rather annoying problem that I'm wondering if 
> anyone has experienced. 
> I wish to change the verbosity of "image" to custom.  Each time I change the 
> image to have all pieces of information unchecked the changes don't get 
> saved.  As soon as I press OK the setting reverts to the previous setting 
> which was "low".  I'm making this change in the VO/verbosity/general section 
> of the voiceover settings.  
> I wondered if this was a permissions problem so I repaired my disk 
> permissions but no change.  
> 
> Any thoughts would be appreciated
> 
> Mike
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verbosity options that refuse to change

[Mike Pedersen]

Hi all, I'm running into a rather annoying problem that I'm wondering if anyone 
has experienced. 
I wish to change the verbosity of "image" to custom.  Each time I change the 
image to have all pieces of information unchecked the changes don't get saved.  
As soon as I press OK the setting reverts to the previous setting which was 
"low".  I'm making this change in the VO/verbosity/general section of the 
voiceover settings.  
I wondered if this was a permissions problem so I repaired my disk permissions 
but no change.  

Any thoughts would be appreciated

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Problem with changing verbosity level and deciding what is spoken with VO

[James & Nash]

Hi everyone, 

I use Column view as my default view in Mac OS X as i find it the easiest to 
navigate with. However, I am trying to make VO stop saying "list item selected" 
when I enter a list. I have tried to change the settings in the Verbosity 
table, but every time I uncheck one or all of the items, the new settings 
revert back to the Default verbosity and only selects  one item to uncheck and 
not all as I have asked for even though I use Custom.

What am I doing wrong?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

TC 

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Re: lowering the verbosity of the finder column view

[James & Nash]

You've noticed this too? It is a bit annoying but still useful for those who 
are not used to Mac. I would be greatful for any help too please.

Thank you

Take care

James
- Original Message - 
From: "Justin Harford" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:43 PM
Subject: lowering the verbosity of the finder column view


>
> Hi all
>
> I wanted to know if anyone else on here uses column view in finder,
> and if anyone else has found a way to cut down on the verbosity of
> voiceover in this view?  It seems to want to announce a list view
> everytime I right arrow into a foler, but I really don't care to hear
> this since I already know that I'm in a list.  That's all the column
> view is.  Could anyone direct me to the correct verbosity settings
> that need to be tampered with to get rid of this?
>
> Regards
> Justin Harford
>
> >
> 


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lowering the verbosity of the finder column view

[Justin Harford]

Hi all

I wanted to know if anyone else on here uses column view in finder,  
and if anyone else has found a way to cut down on the verbosity of  
voiceover in this view?  It seems to want to announce a list view  
everytime I right arrow into a foler, but I really don't care to hear  
this since I already know that I'm in a list.  That's all the column  
view is.  Could anyone direct me to the correct verbosity settings  
that need to be tampered with to get rid of this?

Regards
Justin Harford 

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