Re: an annoying little problem
I tried the Soundflower route once. I suspect the problem is Skype not handling the input. When I record Soundflower and my microphone, I need to set Audacity to record three channels, two for the stereo input of Soundflower and one for my mono mic. In Skype, though, you cannot set the channel count, and I am pretty sure that is the problem. An external mixer is your best bet, possibly with the Linein app to live monitor your input. On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:24 AM, Lisette Wesseling wrote: > Hi Ray, > It does work. I've had somebody on skype listen to me and the Mac through > external speaker using the built in mic. > By far the easiest way. > Hope it works for you. > > Lisette > > On 19/03/2014, at 11:25 am, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> I am very much afraid that approatch just will not work. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: >> >>> If you aren't trying to record it, couldn't you just use your built in >>> microphone as input and your external speakers? It's not recording quality >>> obviously, but depending on what you are doing, this set up will allow >>> someone to hear voiceover and any other sounds coming from your mac. You >>> could probably use whatever microphone you want as long as you are using >>> the external speakers for all of your sound. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> Well, yes, in fact, I want the person to be able to hear everything including Voice OVer and the app I'm using. Come to think of it, I just thought of a way. Plug my microphone directly in to a mixer, plug my Mac's output in to another channel on that mixer, and then, make sure Skype's output is redirected to my griphin iMic and I think that should do it but I'd like a neater solution that doesn't involve doing that. Otherwise, there's the chance that Skype could ffeedback on itself. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > Hmm, in terms of hearing both you and VO? I haven't found a way to do > both, but I can just use system audio with audio hijack and do it that > way. > > Matt Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Okay, >> >> Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear >> directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and >> system audio but no joy. Any ideas? >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >> blind built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to
Re: an annoying little problem
Hi Ray, It does work. I've had somebody on skype listen to me and the Mac through external speaker using the built in mic. By far the easiest way. Hope it works for you. Lisette On 19/03/2014, at 11:25 am, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > I am very much afraid that approatch just will not work. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: > >> If you aren't trying to record it, couldn't you just use your built in >> microphone as input and your external speakers? It's not recording quality >> obviously, but depending on what you are doing, this set up will allow >> someone to hear voiceover and any other sounds coming from your mac. You >> could probably use whatever microphone you want as long as you are using the >> external speakers for all of your sound. >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> Well, yes, in fact, I want the person to be able to hear everything >>> including Voice OVer and the app I'm using. Come to think of it, I just >>> thought of a way. Plug my microphone directly in to a mixer, plug my Mac's >>> output in to another channel on that mixer, and then, make sure Skype's >>> output is redirected to my griphin iMic and I think that should do it but >>> I'd like a neater solution that doesn't involve doing that. Otherwise, >>> there's the chance that Skype could ffeedback on itself. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Matt Dierckens >>> wrote: >>> Hmm, in terms of hearing both you and VO? I haven't found a way to do both, but I can just use system audio with audio hijack and do it that way. Matt Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Okay, > > Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear > directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and > system audio but no joy. Any ideas? > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You r
Re: an annoying little problem
Otherwise, the analog way with an external mixer works. I've even gone so far as to run Jaws in a virtual machine with Skype on the Mac and and an external mic for doing demos of how stuff works with multiple screen readers (VO and Windows). The mixer also let me tweak things in real time for levels of the Mic v. the screen reader. CB On 3/18/14 7:41 PM, David Taylor wrote: Yes. Yes. Use Ladiocast and route aduio from your headphones to Sound Flower, switch your system sounds to sound flower, and switch your Skype input to Sound Flower. Then use Line in to go from Sound Flower to your headphones so you yourself can hear everything. Cheers Dave On 18 Mar 2014, at 21:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Okay, Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and system audio but no joy. Any ideas? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: an annoying little problem
Yes. Yes. Use Ladiocast and route aduio from your headphones to Sound Flower, switch your system sounds to sound flower, and switch your Skype input to Sound Flower. Then use Line in to go from Sound Flower to your headphones so you yourself can hear everything. Cheers Dave On 18 Mar 2014, at 21:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Okay, > > Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear > directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and > system audio but no joy. Any ideas? > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: an annoying little problem
Seems like Audio Hijack would do that. jg On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Okay, > > Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear > directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and > system audio but no joy. Any ideas? > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: an annoying little problem
I am very much afraid that approatch just will not work. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: > If you aren't trying to record it, couldn't you just use your built in > microphone as input and your external speakers? It's not recording quality > obviously, but depending on what you are doing, this set up will allow > someone to hear voiceover and any other sounds coming from your mac. You > could probably use whatever microphone you want as long as you are using the > external speakers for all of your sound. > > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Well, yes, in fact, I want the person to be able to hear everything >> including Voice OVer and the app I'm using. Come to think of it, I just >> thought of a way. Plug my microphone directly in to a mixer, plug my Mac's >> output in to another channel on that mixer, and then, make sure Skype's >> output is redirected to my griphin iMic and I think that should do it but >> I'd like a neater solution that doesn't involve doing that. Otherwise, >> there's the chance that Skype could ffeedback on itself. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: >> >>> Hmm, in terms of hearing both you and VO? I haven't found a way to do both, >>> but I can just use system audio with audio hijack and do it that way. >>> >>> Matt Dierckens >>> Macintosh Trainer >>> Blind Access Training >>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> Okay, Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and system audio but no joy. Any ideas? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: an annoying little problem
If you aren't trying to record it, couldn't you just use your built in microphone as input and your external speakers? It's not recording quality obviously, but depending on what you are doing, this set up will allow someone to hear voiceover and any other sounds coming from your mac. You could probably use whatever microphone you want as long as you are using the external speakers for all of your sound. On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Well, yes, in fact, I want the person to be able to hear everything including > Voice OVer and the app I'm using. Come to think of it, I just thought of a > way. Plug my microphone directly in to a mixer, plug my Mac's output in to > another channel on that mixer, and then, make sure Skype's output is > redirected to my griphin iMic and I think that should do it but I'd like a > neater solution that doesn't involve doing that. Otherwise, there's the > chance that Skype could ffeedback on itself. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > >> Hmm, in terms of hearing both you and VO? I haven't found a way to do both, >> but I can just use system audio with audio hijack and do it that way. >> >> Matt Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> Okay, >>> >>> Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear >>> directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and >>> system audio but no joy. Any ideas? >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: an annoying little problem
Well, yes, in fact, I want the person to be able to hear everything including Voice OVer and the app I'm using. Come to think of it, I just thought of a way. Plug my microphone directly in to a mixer, plug my Mac's output in to another channel on that mixer, and then, make sure Skype's output is redirected to my griphin iMic and I think that should do it but I'd like a neater solution that doesn't involve doing that. Otherwise, there's the chance that Skype could ffeedback on itself. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > Hmm, in terms of hearing both you and VO? I haven't found a way to do both, > but I can just use system audio with audio hijack and do it that way. > > Matt Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Okay, >> >> Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear >> directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and >> system audio but no joy. Any ideas? >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: an annoying little problem
Hmm, in terms of hearing both you and VO? I haven't found a way to do both, but I can just use system audio with audio hijack and do it that way. Matt Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Mar 18, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Okay, > > Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear > directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and > system audio but no joy. Any ideas? > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
an annoying little problem
Okay, Is there any way to allow a person to whom I am talking on Skype to hear directly what my Mac is doing? I tried using Sound Flower, Line in, and system audio but no joy. Any ideas? Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
