Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
When working at my desk I actually plug in an external USB full size keyboard with a numeric keypad, backwards delete and home/end page up/down keys. Just easier that way. CB erik burggraaf wrote: Hi Anouk, The numpad is in deed optional, and there really isn't that much difference between using vo on a laptop or desktop configuration. Although having said that, my disgust at not having a numpad on my laptop keybord any more and my desire for a right hand control key really no know bounds. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 8:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi Anouk, When you buy your macbook it won't have a numpad. That means you won't be able to use the fn key and a key on your keyboard to turn hal's v-focus on and off if you decide to co-operate windows and mac OS in some way You could presumably buy an external number pad, but I don't really want to cary around the extra componant and have to set it up and use it on busses and trains and such. It would just make my life hellishly easy if there were a number pad built onto my standard macbook keybord, but they ditched it and didn't replace it with anything useful. So, in that sense I'm very disgusted with apple. All my old network servers and file boxes are in storage at my parents' place and haven't been updated in ages. My parents still use the linux box but the only thing it runs any more is a ventrilo server. All my windows boxes are so ancient that they might as well go to the great electronics resycler in the sky, but I've been thinking lately that I'd like to build a new file/network server and make it some form of gnoame or some other grafical interface for linux. The trick is finding a nice stripped down and stable one so the box will stay up for a reasonable ammount of time before it needs to be rebooted. I don't really have anything against windows. I've got to teach it after all, and so it wouldn't do to hate. But I have to admit, windows boars and frustrates me, where-as the few things I like to do on my own computers here I can do on my mac without any fus about drivers registries, compadibility or any of that fiddly garbage you get with windows, especially vista. I'll have to force myself to be interested when windows seven comes out because I'll have to teach it, but the computer itself doesn't really facinate me the way it did back in the library days, so for me it's nice to be able to come home and press a button and then walk away from computer and listen to my current book or my huge playlist of music albumns, and not have to worry. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 8:34 AM, a radix wrote: Hey Erik, So there are no macbooks with numpad? Cant you buy an external one? I myself have never used a numpad and only need to use the fn key on my laptop if I want to turn on/off virtual focus (hal). btw, do you still use linux/windows or just os x now? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi Anouk, The numpad is in deed optional, and there really isn't that much difference between using vo on a laptop or desktop configuration. Although having said that, my disgust at not having a numpad on my laptop keybord any more and my desire for a right hand control key really no know bounds. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 8:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Not until snowleppard gets here. erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 8:05 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Does the I phone's two finger flick read all command work on the new mbps? Thanks in advance. Pete -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Jurgensen Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:45 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
No, but depending on how you use windows a numpad may greatly ficilitate things. If you use window-eyes for example, the mouse functions are extremely conveniently laid out on the numpad, which of course, you no longer have. I've gotten around this by switching to laptop layout, but i used to use the insert on the built in numpad instead of remaping a key to do the insert function which doesn't work using the laptop layout. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 11:57 PM, May and Wynter wrote: If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have the keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: Esther mori...@mac.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi Anouk, You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB keypad, the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows and with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my laptop without any attachments. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Will have to test this, but I'm hearing that in the latest version of Fusion, which is virtualization software, that the capslock key, does get passed through to the VM properly now. On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:57 PM, May and Wynter wrote: If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have the keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: Esther mori...@mac.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi Anouk, You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB keypad, the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows and with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my laptop without any attachments. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hello Anowk, A numeric keypad is not necessary for VoiceOver, it's just another option. I prefer not to use one but I suspect I'm in the minority there. With VoiceOver, there is very rarely just one way of doing something. Very few of us have had any formal training in VoiceOver, so we tend to be quite individualistic in our approaches to it. For instance, VO- M will take you to the Apple menu, but I usually use the standard Mac shortcut Control-F2, which does the same thing. As for needing to unlock the VO keys to interact or stop interacting, this is not the case. I lock the VO keys when using Safari, and just press Shift and Down Arrow to interact with an item. I hope this clarifies things a bit. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, The older ones had them built in. But from what apple wrote on their site, plublically, they have made advances with the Trackpad and VO. REgards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:34 AM, a radix wrote: Hey Erik, So there are no macbooks with numpad? Cant you buy an external one? I myself have never used a numpad and only need to use the fn key on my laptop if I want to turn on/off virtual focus (hal). btw, do you still use linux/windows or just os x now? Thanks, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi Anouk, The numpad is in deed optional, and there really isn't that much difference between using vo on a laptop or desktop configuration. Although having said that, my disgust at not having a numpad on my laptop keybord any more and my desire for a right hand control key really no know bounds. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 18-Jul-09, at 8:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, I probalbly will in Snow Leopard given what Apple has made public about it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:05 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Does the I phone's two finger flick read all command work on the new mbps? Thanks in advance. Pete -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Jurgensen Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:45 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi Anouk, You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB keypad, the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows and with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my laptop without any attachments. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Thanks very much. I keep this plus other messages regarding this for future reference. May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: Esther mori...@mac.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi May, No, you don't need to have a numeric keypad if you want to put Windows on your Mac. The usual issue is that people who put Windows onto curremt Mac laptops using VMWare Fusion end up having to remap the JAWS insert key to another key. On the older Mac laptops which had embedded numeric keypads, you would use the 0 key of the (embedded) number pad. There are a couple of ways to handle key remapping -- either you use a free program called Spark, which is basically a Windows registry hack, and allows you to choose a key from one list view window and map it to another key you select in a second list view to remap, or you can do this under Fusion preferences with a one-time connection to a full-size keyboard, where you physically press the key you want to remap. (The Fusion method works for remapping keys in any operating system -- could be linux, for example). This is only an issue with the Mac laptop setups where you're not using a full-size keyboard, and is easily solved. I don't have Windows installed on my Mac, but there are several other list users who do, and who could answer your questions in more detail. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 17:57, May and Wynter wrote: If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have the keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: Esther mori...@mac.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi Anouk, You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB keypad, the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows and with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my laptop without any attachments. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com/ vick08 or check my site at http://www.victortsaran.com --- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.19/2244 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 18:00:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Ok, I will keep this as well. I'm sure I'll need lots of help once I get my mac since I've always been a windows user. Looking forward to the change though. I want windows on the machine just until I completely get use to mac and not so afraid I'll blow something up, lol. Also, one site I go on or use to go on, haven't been in a while all the games we play are made for windows so I'll need windows just for that purpose if nothing else. May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: Michael Huckabay dryden.mikehucka...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi there Mike H here. Mabey I can ancer your question about they laptop key mapping. I am running window's xp under a VM. I have to remap yes for jaw's resion's. I have a little program called sharp key's. It's a little confusing to figger out at first but If you want some help you can contact me off list at dryden.mikehucka...@gmail.com and I would be glad to help you with this. that adress is also my msn. Thank's and have a good one.On 19-Jul-09, at 12:12 AM, Esther wrote: Hi May, No, you don't need to have a numeric keypad if you want to put Windows on your Mac. The usual issue is that people who put Windows onto curremt Mac laptops using VMWare Fusion end up having to remap the JAWS insert key to another key. On the older Mac laptops which had embedded numeric keypads, you would use the 0 key of the (embedded) number pad. There are a couple of ways to handle key remapping -- either you use a free program called Spark, which is basically a Windows registry hack, and allows you to choose a key from one list view window and map it to another key you select in a second list view to remap, or you can do this under Fusion preferences with a one-time connection to a full-size keyboard, where you physically press the key you want to remap. (The Fusion method works for remapping keys in any operating system -- could be linux, for example). This is only an issue with the Mac laptop setups where you're not using a full-size keyboard, and is easily solved. I don't have Windows installed on my Mac, but there are several other list users who do, and who could answer your questions in more detail. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 17:57, May and Wynter wrote: If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have the keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: Esther mori...@mac.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi Anouk, You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB keypad, the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows and with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my laptop without any attachments. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand
Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Aargh! Yes, Mike is correct. The program you want in Spark to remap your keys. I've been answering too many different list questions lately. I mentioned Sharp Keys to answer a different question about how to bind a command to announce the time to a hot key. Too many different threads running around in my email. Sorry. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 18:41, Michael Huckabay wrote: Hi there Mike H here. Mabey I can ancer your question about they laptop key mapping. I am running window's xp under a VM. I have to remap yes for jaw's resion's. I have a little program called sharp key's. It's a little confusing to figger out at first but If you want some help you can contact me off list at dryden.mikehucka...@gmail.com and I would be glad to help you with this. that adress is also my msn. Thank's and have a good one.On 19-Jul-09, at 12:12 AM, Esther wrote: Hi May, No, you don't need to have a numeric keypad if you want to put Windows on your Mac. The usual issue is that people who put Windows onto curremt Mac laptops using VMWare Fusion end up having to remap the JAWS insert key to another key. On the older Mac laptops which had embedded numeric keypads, you would use the 0 key of the (embedded) number pad. There are a couple of ways to handle key remapping -- either you use a free program called Spark, which is basically a Windows registry hack, and allows you to choose a key from one list view window and map it to another key you select in a second list view to remap, or you can do this under Fusion preferences with a one-time connection to a full-size keyboard, where you physically press the key you want to remap. (The Fusion method works for remapping keys in any operating system -- could be linux, for example). This is only an issue with the Mac laptop setups where you're not using a full-size keyboard, and is easily solved. I don't have Windows installed on my Mac, but there are several other list users who do, and who could answer your questions in more detail. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 17:57, May and Wynter wrote: If I put windows on my mac machine when I get it, do I have to have the keypad tha you are talking about to use windows? May, I'm ready for the stress to end. Off to Edmonton on the 25th. - Original Message - From: Esther mori...@mac.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: mac/voiceover on a laptopRe: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi Anouk, You don't need to use a numeric keypad with VoiceOver, but with Leopard you have another option of customizing your frequently used VoiceOver commands with the NumPad Commander. I did get a USB keypad, the Lenovo 33L3225 Numeric Keypad, so I could learn the NumPad Commander sequences with my laptop. (This also works with Windows and with Linux, incidentally). Most of the time I use VoiceOver from my laptop without any attachments. Cheers, Esther On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:45, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, It is optional with a numpad, but it enhances it. Regards, Alex, On 18-Jul-09, at 5:02 AM, a radix wrote: Hi, Do you actually need the numeric keypad to use voicover? I thought it was optional. If it is optional then there is not much difference imo between using it on a laptop or a pc... Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Victor Tsaran vtsa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:42 AM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Beware, however, that even though you can lock control and option keys, you will find yourself in frequent situations where you need to unlock them, e.g. when browsing the web or trying to interact with various objects (tables, HTML CONTENT areas etc). It does get a little annoying to use voiceover for long periods of time, especially if you are a heavy laptop user. Good luck, Vic On 7/17/2009 7:03 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --- I tweet about music and accessibility at http://www.twitter.com
does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hello Anowk, On Jul 17, 2009, at 3:31 PM, a radix wrote: I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. The VoiceOver commands require you to press the Control and Option keys, known as the VO keys. However, you can lock these keys using VO- Semicolon. I always do this when browsing the Net. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. You can configure the controls on your Braille display to perform whatever action you like from the commands list. You can also click links from your Braille display. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, you will get best joy out of your braille display, since a button on your display will be set to scroll right and another to scroll left. In many instances where reading is required, such as typing a document in text edit, the arrow keys do just fine on their own with out needing to use the voice over keys. When you need to use the voice over keys for long periods of reading, your best bet is to simply lock the voice over keys with control option semicolon. Once you do that, every press on the keybord will act as if you also pressed the voice over keys even though you haven't actually pressed them. Or to think of it another way, the voice over keys will be perminantly pressed without you needing to take care of that yourself until you press the semicolon to releace them. All things being equal though I suspect you will probably turn speech off and use braille exclusively if you really like braille. I have a friend who does this and it's sick to watch. I'd love to be able to do it, but I'm just not that good at braille. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 17-Jul-09, at 9:31 AM, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, Most of the time you can use Down Arrow/Up Arrow/Left Arrow/Right Arrow in documents. Regards, Aex, On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Anowk, On Jul 17, 2009, at 3:31 PM, a radix wrote: I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. The VoiceOver commands require you to press the Control and Option keys, known as the VO keys. However, you can lock these keys using VO-Semicolon. I always do this when browsing the Net. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. You can configure the controls on your Braille display to perform whatever action you like from the commands list. You can also click links from your Braille display. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi Anouk, Although you use the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) for navigation, you can lock these keys on with VO-semi-colon (Control- Option-Semi-colon). Then any commands you issue assume that the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) are engaged until your press semi- colon again. Many people lock their VoiceOver keys while reading long pages. Another alternative is to use NumPad Commander (with Leopard). This is a functionality that uses the numeric keypad to pre-program shortcuts for the most common VoiceOver commands. You need to use either a full keyboard, an older Mac laptop with embedded numeric keypad, or a current Mac laptop with either attached numeric keypad or keyboard with numeric keypad in order to use NumPad Commander. Or, as I've just posted, you may be able to use the free NumberKey app on an iPhone to use your iPhone as a numeric keypad that works with NumPad Commander shortcuts. You can customize NumPad Commander with your own shortcut definitions as well as using their standard set. Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther On Jul 17, 2009, at 03:44, william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
You can also lock the voiceover keys on with VO and semicolon. Then you don't have to hold down control and option while doing voiceover commands. CB william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, In addition to Ester's excellent recommendations, there's a system extension called USB Overdrive that will allow you to set keyboard actions for USB key presses on controllers and mice. Although I don't know what the Braille devices appear as to the USB bus, it may be possible that USB Overdrive will recognize this and you could customize the arrow keys you mentioned. I have a nice CH Products Throttle Pro left over from flight simulator days that can handle a lot of VO navigation. Although, a simple cheap USB game pad would work as well. USB Overdrive is free to try and available at versiontracker, or most any Mac download site. Best, Scott Hi Anouk, Although you use the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) for navigation, you can lock these keys on with VO-semi-colon (Control-Option-Semi-colon). Then any commands you issue assume that the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) are engaged until your press semi-colon again. Many people lock their VoiceOver keys while reading long pages. Another alternative is to use NumPad Commander (with Leopard). This is a functionality that uses the numeric keypad to pre-program shortcuts for the most common VoiceOver commands. You need to use either a full keyboard, an older Mac laptop with embedded numeric keypad, or a current Mac laptop with either attached numeric keypad or keyboard with numeric keypad in order to use NumPad Commander. Or, as I've just posted, you may be able to use the free NumberKey app on an iPhone to use your iPhone as a numeric keypad that works with NumPad Commander shortcuts. You can customize NumPad Commander with your own shortcut definitions as well as using their standard set. Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther On Jul 17, 2009, at 03:44, william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
there is a work around here, and this is purely from the use of voice perspective. if you first press ctrl-option then ; you can then use the arrow keys on the keyboard to move vo around one-handedly . When done don't forget to press ctrl-option-; again to return the behavior to normal for other tasks. On 17-Jul-09, at 9:44 AM, william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, oh so this is kind of like virtual focus in hal (i know few people use it), very nice! I think i remember though from my brief visit to the apple store that it is indeed possible to map commands on the braill edisplay. I will have to visit there again first to correct the image they might have gotten from voicover and second to try it all out after I have finished reading the manual. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: kaare dehard To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? there is a work around here, and this is purely from the use of voice perspective. if you first press ctrl-option then ; you can then use the arrow keys on the keyboard to move vo around one-handedly . When done don't forget to press ctrl-option-; again to return the behavior to normal for other tasks. On 17-Jul-09, at 9:44 AM, william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.18/2243 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 06:08:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hello, Thanks a lot for all the information, Esther. Are there any new macbook laptops with a numeric keypad? I have actually never used a laptop that has one, but from your post I gathe ryou can also use numeric commander to put shortcuts on other keys then the numeric keys if they are not available? I think a laptop with a numeric keypad would be nice though, and I am still hoping and thinking I could put shortcuts on my braille display as well. Thanks again, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Esther To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi Anouk, Although you use the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) for navigation, you can lock these keys on with VO-semi-colon (Control-Option-Semi-colon). Then any commands you issue assume that the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) are engaged until your press semi-colon again. Many people lock their VoiceOver keys while reading long pages. Another alternative is to use NumPad Commander (with Leopard). This is a functionality that uses the numeric keypad to pre-program shortcuts for the most common VoiceOver commands. You need to use either a full keyboard, an older Mac laptop with embedded numeric keypad, or a current Mac laptop with either attached numeric keypad or keyboard with numeric keypad in order to use NumPad Commander. Or, as I've just posted, you may be able to use the free NumberKey app on an iPhone to use your iPhone as a numeric keypad that works with NumPad Commander shortcuts. You can customize NumPad Commander with your own shortcut definitions as well as using their standard set. Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther On Jul 17, 2009, at 03:44, william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.18/2243 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 06:08:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hey Erik, nice to hear from you again (I remember you from the audiobook library) it is GREAT to hear that it is actually possible to use the mac with braille exclusively since this is wha tI normally always do with windows, and although I really dig the alex voice (it is REALLY natural sounding imo) i guess I still would be more productive with just braille only. Although I bet semicolumn would work too, i really appreciate that there are so many ways of doing stuff with vo it really gives you a lot of flexibility that I am not used to at all with Hal. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: erik burggraaf To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi, you will get best joy out of your braille display, since a button on your display will be set to scroll right and another to scroll left. In many instances where reading is required, such as typing a document in text edit, the arrow keys do just fine on their own with out needing to use the voice over keys. When you need to use the voice over keys for long periods of reading, your best bet is to simply lock the voice over keys with control option semicolon. Once you do that, every press on the keybord will act as if you also pressed the voice over keys even though you haven't actually pressed them. Or to think of it another way, the voice over keys will be perminantly pressed without you needing to take care of that yourself until you press the semicolon to releace them. All things being equal though I suspect you will probably turn speech off and use braille exclusively if you really like braille. I have a friend who does this and it's sick to watch. I'd love to be able to do it, but I'm just not that good at braille. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 17-Jul-09, at 9:31 AM, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.18/2243 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 06:08:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
VoiceOver supports assigning Braille display keys to Voiceover commands. Also, you do not need to hands to necessarily perform VoiceOver functions, as there is a Control-Option lock which causes the system to interpret all commands as if they are VO ones. HTH. Josh de Lioncourt …my other mail provider is an owl… Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt Music: http://stage19music.com Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt On Jul 17, 2009, at 11:13 AM, a radix wrote: Hello, Thanks a lot for all the information, Esther. Are there any new macbook laptops with a numeric keypad? I have actually never used a laptop that has one, but from your post I gathe ryou can also use numeric commander to put shortcuts on other keys then the numeric keys if they are not available? I think a laptop with a numeric keypad would be nice though, and I am still hoping and thinking I could put shortcuts on my braille display as well. Thanks again, Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: Esther To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: Re: does reading on the mac take two hands? Hi Anouk, Although you use the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) for navigation, you can lock these keys on with VO-semi-colon (Control- Option-Semi-colon). Then any commands you issue assume that the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) are engaged until your press semi-colon again. Many people lock their VoiceOver keys while reading long pages. Another alternative is to use NumPad Commander (with Leopard). This is a functionality that uses the numeric keypad to pre-program shortcuts for the most common VoiceOver commands. You need to use either a full keyboard, an older Mac laptop with embedded numeric keypad, or a current Mac laptop with either attached numeric keypad or keyboard with numeric keypad in order to use NumPad Commander. Or, as I've just posted, you may be able to use the free NumberKey app on an iPhone to use your iPhone as a numeric keypad that works with NumPad Commander shortcuts. You can customize NumPad Commander with your own shortcut definitions as well as using their standard set. Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther On Jul 17, 2009, at 03:44, william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.18/2243 - datum van uitgifte: 07/17/09 06:08:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: does reading on the mac take two hands?
Hi, USB OverDrive does not work with the PM 40 display for sure. It just doesn't show up. Regards, Alex, On 17-Jul-09, at 7:33 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: Hi, In addition to Ester's excellent recommendations, there's a system extension called USB Overdrive that will allow you to set keyboard actions for USB key presses on controllers and mice. Although I don't know what the Braille devices appear as to the USB bus, it may be possible that USB Overdrive will recognize this and you could customize the arrow keys you mentioned. I have a nice CH Products Throttle Pro left over from flight simulator days that can handle a lot of VO navigation. Although, a simple cheap USB game pad would work as well. USB Overdrive is free to try and available at versiontracker, or most any Mac download site. Best, Scott Hi Anouk, Although you use the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) for navigation, you can lock these keys on with VO-semi-colon (Control-Option-Semi-colon). Then any commands you issue assume that the VoiceOver keys (Control and Option) are engaged until your press semi-colon again. Many people lock their VoiceOver keys while reading long pages. Another alternative is to use NumPad Commander (with Leopard). This is a functionality that uses the numeric keypad to pre-program shortcuts for the most common VoiceOver commands. You need to use either a full keyboard, an older Mac laptop with embedded numeric keypad, or a current Mac laptop with either attached numeric keypad or keyboard with numeric keypad in order to use NumPad Commander. Or, as I've just posted, you may be able to use the free NumberKey app on an iPhone to use your iPhone as a numeric keypad that works with NumPad Commander shortcuts. You can customize NumPad Commander with your own shortcut definitions as well as using their standard set. Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther On Jul 17, 2009, at 03:44, william lomas wrote: you have to use control option and arrow keys, to navigate around On 17 Jul 2009, at 14:31, a radix wrote: Hello everyone, ok this may sem elike a strange question but I read that, if you want to navigate through a window to review it, or a document for example you need to use the voice key (which is either command or control if i got that right)+ arrow down or up, but would tha tnot require both hand and is there a way to do it single handedly. I use braille all the time and this would make it a lot slower for me to read stuff, or will maybe the arrow keys on my braille display be able to simulate this, i Wonder. Greetings, Anouk, -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
