Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Chris Moore]

hello,
I recently purchased pianoteq 5 stage.  Their included app is not very 
accessible.  However, they include audio unit plugins.  I got them to work with 
GB so hopefully they would work with PT and logic.

Chris M
> On May 25, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> Believe it or not, I have not checked out the guitar plugins just yet as I 
> have been super busy with work. They do have what looks like a devoted 
> plugins section specifically for guitar / bass effects and amp sims etc. So I 
> would say yes to your question.
> 
> In general, even if you don’t count the guitar plugins, all of the plugins in 
> Logic are very good.
> 
> The guitar section is called Amps and Pedals and has an amp designer and 
> numerous pedal emulations which you can link up how ever you choose.
> 
> Sorry I cannot be more specific in this one but perhaps others can chime in.
> 
> It’s ironic really as guitar is my main instrument! Go figure! :)
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
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> On May 25, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> This might be Off topic.
> But since i am not a guitarist i would like to know if there are good guitar 
> plugins for logic?
> /A
>> 25 maj 2016 kl. 07:08 skrev Cara Quinn :
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> Oh, thanks for letting me know. :) Well perhaps I will give it a second 
>> listen and see what I think.
>> 
>> As far as pianos I already have, Aside from the bundled ones in Logic, (of 
>> which some are really quite good) I have many Roland pianos in a module I 
>> have called a roland Integra 7. Many of these actually sound very similar to 
>> the Ivory samples I’ve heard, which was why I was not super into getting 
>> them right away.
>> 
>> I also have a fairly old Casio digital piano which also sounds quite good. 
>> Lastly I have Komplete 8 Ultimate which also has a bunch of pianos in it. So 
>> basically I have way more pianos than I know what to do with! :) lol!
>> 
>> The Integra 7 is great as it is basically a history of everything Roland has 
>> done over the last 30 years or so. There are like six and a half thousand 
>> sounds in the module and most of them are simply superb.
>> 
>> there is actually one piano plugin I am still thinking of getting though. It 
>> is called Emotional Piano and it is from SoundIron. It is a very warm 
>> sounding jazzy piano which is really nice.
>> 
>> Anyway, would love to hear what you are doing with the Ivory stuff. Feel 
>> free to share some music privately if you wish.
>> 
>> Thanks to you and Scott for starting this thread and to everyone else who 
>> has contributed.
>> 
>> Have a great night!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
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>> ---
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>> 
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>> On May 23, 2016, at 10:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Cara,
>> 
>> They do have an audio unit version.  I was only stating that you couldn't 
>> mixmatch the presets from PT into Logic.
>> 
>> In other words, separate presets would have to be made to get things working 
>> in Logic, as the Audio unit plug, just like the version in ProTools, isn't 
>> accessible straight out of the box.
>> 
>> The only problem is, there are no demos for Ivory.  The only way to get them 
>> is to buy it outright, which I think is a bit annoying, but, oh well.
>> 
>> You say you have some pianos that sound really good.  Aside the ones which 
>> come stock with Logic, what else are you using?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> I hadn’t looked at the Ivory instruments that deeply since I was not 
>> interested in them. Yes, I am familiar with the different formats.
>> 
>> Thanks for letting me know though. I was thinking they had an audio unit 
>> version as well. Thanks for saving me the research. :) -And BTW, as others 
>> have said, thanks for your work with Synthogy to get the presets into a 
>> usable format for PT users.
>> 
>> Have a great evening!
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Cara
>> On May 23, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There are no demos as far as I 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Anders,

Believe it or not, I have not checked out the guitar plugins just yet as I have 
been super busy with work. They do have what looks like a devoted plugins 
section specifically for guitar / bass effects and amp sims etc. So I would say 
yes to your question.

In general, even if you don’t count the guitar plugins, all of the plugins in 
Logic are very good.

The guitar section is called Amps and Pedals and has an amp designer and 
numerous pedal emulations which you can link up how ever you choose.

Sorry I cannot be more specific in this one but perhaps others can chime in.

It’s ironic really as guitar is my main instrument! Go figure! :)

Cheers!

Cara
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On May 25, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
This might be Off topic.
But since i am not a guitarist i would like to know if there are good guitar 
plugins for logic?
/A
> 25 maj 2016 kl. 07:08 skrev Cara Quinn :
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Oh, thanks for letting me know. :) Well perhaps I will give it a second 
> listen and see what I think.
> 
> As far as pianos I already have, Aside from the bundled ones in Logic, (of 
> which some are really quite good) I have many Roland pianos in a module I 
> have called a roland Integra 7. Many of these actually sound very similar to 
> the Ivory samples I’ve heard, which was why I was not super into getting them 
> right away.
> 
> I also have a fairly old Casio digital piano which also sounds quite good. 
> Lastly I have Komplete 8 Ultimate which also has a bunch of pianos in it. So 
> basically I have way more pianos than I know what to do with! :) lol!
> 
> The Integra 7 is great as it is basically a history of everything Roland has 
> done over the last 30 years or so. There are like six and a half thousand 
> sounds in the module and most of them are simply superb.
> 
> there is actually one piano plugin I am still thinking of getting though. It 
> is called Emotional Piano and it is from SoundIron. It is a very warm 
> sounding jazzy piano which is really nice.
> 
> Anyway, would love to hear what you are doing with the Ivory stuff. Feel free 
> to share some music privately if you wish.
> 
> Thanks to you and Scott for starting this thread and to everyone else who has 
> contributed.
> 
> Have a great night!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> ---
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> ---
> View my Online Portfolio at:
> 
> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn
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> 
> On May 23, 2016, at 10:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cara,
> 
> They do have an audio unit version.  I was only stating that you couldn't 
> mixmatch the presets from PT into Logic.
> 
> In other words, separate presets would have to be made to get things working 
> in Logic, as the Audio unit plug, just like the version in ProTools, isn't 
> accessible straight out of the box.
> 
> The only problem is, there are no demos for Ivory.  The only way to get them 
> is to buy it outright, which I think is a bit annoying, but, oh well.
> 
> You say you have some pianos that sound really good.  Aside the ones which 
> come stock with Logic, what else are you using?
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I hadn’t looked at the Ivory instruments that deeply since I was not 
> interested in them. Yes, I am familiar with the different formats.
> 
> Thanks for letting me know though. I was thinking they had an audio unit 
> version as well. Thanks for saving me the research. :) -And BTW, as others 
> have said, thanks for your work with Synthogy to get the presets into a 
> usable format for PT users.
> 
> Have a great evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> On May 23, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> There are no demos as far as I know.  Further, the issue is, the plugins are 
> not accessible out of the box, hince why custom presets have to be made. The 
> problem is, there is no way to take custom made exported presets from 
> ProTools, and load them up in logic.  They are two completely different 
> formats, and work totally differently.  Plus, the plugins wouldn't work cross 
> platform with the presets, even if you could! export the presets, as ProTools 
> uses the AAX I think they're called, where as Logic uses Audio units, so 
> totally different.  It would be kind of like trying to take an old RTas plug 
> from PT back in 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Cara Quinn]

Right on Scott! Very well said!

Anders, just get in where you fit in and rock on!

Cheers!

Cara
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On May 24, 2016, at 7:06 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Reality sucks, drugs help though.
:)

Seriously, you work with what you got as they say.  Nothing wrong with that at 
all.  I’m fat and happy now but I’ve been working at it for 30 years and 
definitely been way on the other end of that spectrum, to the point I had to 
steal electricity.  so no worries.

> On May 22, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> One thing that annoys me is that logic isn’t getting further beeing 
> accessible.
> Of course i could get reaper but what i want is logic with all its 
> instruments and such.
> This might sound very strange for you guys who seem able to afford such tools 
> as protools.
> But i don’t want to spend all my income per month on a musical creation tool.
> I just can’t.
> Sure if i had money i’d buy that but i have to face reallity.
> /A
>> On 20 May 2016, at 14:53, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  
>> I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far as 
>> an interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside from 
>> it having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally analog.  
>> It's absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, as far as 
>> accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's nothing to 
>> be accessible about it!  It just works.  I had an M-Audio Fast Tracks C400, 
>> which again was 4 channels, as I recall, but the control pannel software was 
>> totally! inaccessible with Voiceover.  I know a lot of blind people, like 
>> Brian Howerton, etc. who really, and I do mean, really! know their stuff who 
>> are using the Focusright Sapphire Pro lineup of interfaces and flipping 
>> swear by them!  I've never asked them how accessible the control pannel 
>> configuration utility is for them, although, I hear that supposedly with 
>> Voiceover, it's pretty rock solid.
>>  
>> As for a control surface, obviously, the Apogy is really really killer, but 
>> then, for most average home consumers just getting started, as myself, who 
>> are more low end professionals, it would probably be overkill.  Well, and, 
>> plus, they're like, 5 grand, so, ehh, um, werpse?  ee yeah.  Now, Digidesign 
>> back in the days, made a gorgeous! and I do mean, gorgeous! interface that 
>> also was combined as a control surface, and it's software was phenominally 
>> accessible!  That was the Digi03.  Oh God! that thing was sweet!  
>> Unfortunately, it's not made anymore.  I would freaking kill! for one a 
>> those things though!  And, back when they were around, they were only like, 
>> $130 or so.  Right now, I'm using a presonus Faderport for the control 
>> surface.  In logic, or Reaper, forget it!  I never could get the darn thing 
>> to work.  I tried and tried, but it just! will, not do it.  For all intense 
>> and purpose, the software that comes with it is accessible, although there 
>> really isn't much anything useful in it that you'd really wanna do.  It's 
>> mainly just a driver.  You can update its firmware, which is totally 
>> Voiceover friendly, but that's about it.  I mean, that's about it, period.  
>> I don't mean that's all that is accessible.  I'm saying, that's literally 
>> all the software really does, so nothing to really write home about.  It 
>> does work though.  In ProTools however, this device works almost, if not 
>> totally, perfectly.  I think there were maybe one or two buttons I had to 
>> remap, but for the most part, I'd say 99 percent, it worked right out of the 
>> box.  I don't even remember initially installing the driver.  You can, yeah, 
>> but it's really not necessary.
>>  
>> Anyway, this is kind of very very gradually starting to veer from the topic 
>> of the mac and Voiceover, so let's try to be really careful with this 
>> thread.  I don't wanna be the enemy here of allowing it to go OT.  We're not 
>> there yet, but I fear it's on its way there.  LOL!  I think for now, we're 
>> OK, but I'd just be careful, as admittedly, this kind of is a bit of a grey 
>> area.
>>  
>> Chris.
>> 
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Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
This might be Off topic.
But since i am not a guitarrist i would like to know if there are good guitar 
plugins for logic?
/A
> 25 maj 2016 kl. 07:08 skrev Cara Quinn :
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Oh, thanks for letting me know. :) Well perhaps I will give it a second 
> listen and see what I think.
> 
> As far as pianos I already have, Aside from the bundled ones in Logic, (of 
> which some are really quite good) I have many Roland pianos in a module I 
> have called a roland Integra 7. Many of these actually sound very similar to 
> the Ivory samples I’ve heard, which was why I was not super into getting them 
> right away.
> 
> I also have a fairly old Casio digital piano which also sounds quite good. 
> Lastly I have Komplete 8 Ultimate which also has a bunch of pianos in it. So 
> basically I have way more pianos than I know what to do with! :) lol!
> 
> The Integra 7 is great as it is basically a history of everything Roland has 
> done over the last 30 years or so. There are like six and a half thousand 
> sounds in the module and most of them are simply superb.
> 
> there is actually one piano plugin I am still thinking of getting though. It 
> is called Emotional Piano and it is from SoundIron. It is a very warm 
> sounding jazzy piano which is really nice.
> 
> Anyway, would love to hear what you are doing with the Ivory stuff. Feel free 
> to share some music privately if you wish.
> 
> Thanks to you and Scott for starting this thread and to everyone else who has 
> contributed.
> 
> Have a great night!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> ---
> iOS design and development - LookTel.com
> ---
> View my Online Portfolio at:
> 
> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn
> 
> Follow me on Twitter!
> 
> https://twitter.com/ModelCara
> 
> On May 23, 2016, at 10:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cara,
> 
> They do have an audio unit version.  I was only stating that you couldn't 
> mixmatch the presets from PT into Logic.
> 
> In other words, separate presets would have to be made to get things working 
> in Logic, as the Audio unit plug, just like the version in ProTools, isn't 
> accessible straight out of the box.
> 
> The only problem is, there are no demos for Ivory.  The only way to get them 
> is to buy it outright, which I think is a bit annoying, but, oh well.
> 
> You say you have some pianos that sound really good.  Aside the ones which 
> come stock with Logic, what else are you using?
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I hadn’t looked at the Ivory instruments that deeply since I was not 
> interested in them. Yes, I am familiar with the different formats.
> 
> Thanks for letting me know though. I was thinking they had an audio unit 
> version as well. Thanks for saving me the research. :) -And BTW, as others 
> have said, thanks for your work with Synthogy to get the presets into a 
> usable format for PT users.
> 
> Have a great evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> On May 23, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> There are no demos as far as I know.  Further, the issue is, the plugins are 
> not accessible out of the box, hince why custom presets have to be made. The 
> problem is, there is no way to take custom made exported presets from 
> ProTools, and load them up in logic.  They are two completely different 
> formats, and work totally differently.  Plus, the plugins wouldn't work cross 
> platform with the presets, even if you could! export the presets, as ProTools 
> uses the AAX I think they're called, where as Logic uses Audio units, so 
> totally different.  It would be kind of like trying to take an old RTas plug 
> from PT back in the days, and load it up in Cakewalk/Sonar/Reaper. It's just 
> not gonna happen.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I do not know, as I do not have the Ivory plugins but I can certainly try 
> them if there are demos.
> 
> I looked at them on the Synthogy site after I saw your posting on PTAccess 
> but since I already have several pianos I really like the sound of, I did not 
> purchase them.
> 
> I’ll see if there is a demo of some sort and try them in Logic.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> ---
> iOS design and development - LookTel.com
> ---
> View my Online Portfolio at:
> 
> 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Chris,

Oh, thanks for letting me know. :) Well perhaps I will give it a second listen 
and see what I think.

As far as pianos I already have, Aside from the bundled ones in Logic, (of 
which some are really quite good) I have many Roland pianos in a module I have 
called a roland Integra 7. Many of these actually sound very similar to the 
Ivory samples I’ve heard, which was why I was not super into getting them right 
away.

I also have a fairly old Casio digital piano which also sounds quite good. 
Lastly I have Komplete 8 Ultimate which also has a bunch of pianos in it. So 
basically I have way more pianos than I know what to do with! :) lol!

The Integra 7 is great as it is basically a history of everything Roland has 
done over the last 30 years or so. There are like six and a half thousand 
sounds in the module and most of them are simply superb.

there is actually one piano plugin I am still thinking of getting though. It is 
called Emotional Piano and it is from SoundIron. It is a very warm sounding 
jazzy piano which is really nice.

Anyway, would love to hear what you are doing with the Ivory stuff. Feel free 
to share some music privately if you wish.

Thanks to you and Scott for starting this thread and to everyone else who has 
contributed.

Have a great night!

Cheers!

Cara
---
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---
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On May 23, 2016, at 10:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Cara,

They do have an audio unit version.  I was only stating that you couldn't 
mixmatch the presets from PT into Logic.

In other words, separate presets would have to be made to get things working in 
Logic, as the Audio unit plug, just like the version in ProTools, isn't 
accessible straight out of the box.

The only problem is, there are no demos for Ivory.  The only way to get them is 
to buy it outright, which I think is a bit annoying, but, oh well.

You say you have some pianos that sound really good.  Aside the ones which come 
stock with Logic, what else are you using?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX


Hi Chris,

I hadn’t looked at the Ivory instruments that deeply since I was not interested 
in them. Yes, I am familiar with the different formats.

Thanks for letting me know though. I was thinking they had an audio unit 
version as well. Thanks for saving me the research. :) -And BTW, as others have 
said, thanks for your work with Synthogy to get the presets into a usable 
format for PT users.

Have a great evening!

Cheers!

Cara
On May 23, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

There are no demos as far as I know.  Further, the issue is, the plugins are 
not accessible out of the box, hince why custom presets have to be made. The 
problem is, there is no way to take custom made exported presets from ProTools, 
and load them up in logic.  They are two completely different formats, and work 
totally differently.  Plus, the plugins wouldn't work cross platform with the 
presets, even if you could! export the presets, as ProTools uses the AAX I 
think they're called, where as Logic uses Audio units, so totally different.  
It would be kind of like trying to take an old RTas plug from PT back in the 
days, and load it up in Cakewalk/Sonar/Reaper. It's just not gonna happen.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX


Hi Chris,

I do not know, as I do not have the Ivory plugins but I can certainly try them 
if there are demos.

I looked at them on the Synthogy site after I saw your posting on PTAccess but 
since I already have several pianos I really like the sound of, I did not 
purchase them.

I’ll see if there is a demo of some sort and try them in Logic.

Cheers!

Cara
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On May 20, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

What I! wanna know, Cara, is how we get presets made, or are they already, for 
Synthogy Ivory products, so that I can use the plugins within Logic.

Right now, I only can use 'em within ProTools, which is fine, being that's 
where I do 99.9% my work anyway, but that said, it definitely 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Scott Granados]

While we’re on this topic.  Has anyone used a Mac pro, not a Macbook pro but A 
Mac Pro, the big daddy of desk tops.  Can I assume voice over works just the 
same on the pro as it does on the laptops and IMac?

I’m thinking about jumping in on this protools thing after what I’ve been 
reading now online and here and other list archives and since my assistant here 
is going whole hog in to video it might be worth justifying something with a  
pile of cores to run lots of plugins on as well as output in different video 
formats and such.  I smell over kill and maybe should go iMac but the pro is 
cool.:)  That’s a lot of cores.

> On May 23, 2016, at 11:32 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I hadn’t looked at the Ivory instruments that deeply since I was not 
> interested in them. Yes, I am familiar with the different formats.
> 
> Thanks for letting me know though. I was thinking they had an audio unit 
> version as well. Thanks for saving me the research. :) -And BTW, as others 
> have said, thanks for your work with Synthogy to get the presets into a 
> usable format for PT users.
> 
> Have a great evening!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> On May 23, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> There are no demos as far as I know.  Further, the issue is, the plugins are 
> not accessible out of the box, hince why custom presets have to be made. The 
> problem is, there is no way to take custom made exported presets from 
> ProTools, and load them up in logic.  They are two completely different 
> formats, and work totally differently.  Plus, the plugins wouldn't work cross 
> platform with the presets, even if you could! export the presets, as ProTools 
> uses the AAX I think they're called, where as Logic uses Audio units, so 
> totally different.  It would be kind of like trying to take an old RTas plug 
> from PT back in the days, and load it up in Cakewalk/Sonar/Reaper. It's just 
> not gonna happen.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX
> 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I do not know, as I do not have the Ivory plugins but I can certainly try 
> them if there are demos.
> 
> I looked at them on the Synthogy site after I saw your posting on PTAccess 
> but since I already have several pianos I really like the sound of, I did not 
> purchase them.
> 
> I’ll see if there is a demo of some sort and try them in Logic.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
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> 
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> 
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> 
> On May 20, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> What I! wanna know, Cara, is how we get presets made, or are they already, 
> for Synthogy Ivory products, so that I can use the plugins within Logic.
> 
> Right now, I only can use 'em within ProTools, which is fine, being that's 
> where I do 99.9% my work anyway, but that said, it definitely would be nice 
> to have them in both.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
> To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX
> 
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I think this thread is fine. It is Mac-centric as it were, after all. :)
> 
> Just to add a bit at what Chris has been saying; Yes, both ProTools and Logic 
> Pro X are really the best options on Mac at this point.
> 
> I own both and also use both with outboard control surfaces / keyboards as 
> well as external sound modules etc.
> 
> I feel that ProTools is definitely more intuitive out of the box but having 
> said that, certain things are way easier to do with Logic and others are way 
> easier with ProTools.
> 
> So as long as you can afford ProTools I would also suggest that you get Logic 
> as well or at least try it out so you can judge for yourself.
> 
> One difference I have noticed between PT and Logic is that several plugins 
> seem to be more accessible in Logic than in PT. This does not mean they are 
> not usable to some degree in PT but they can be quite a bit more so in Logic.
> 
> One example is the M-Tron Pro plugin from G-Force software, which is an 
> amazingly comprehensive Mellotron (and other trons) sampler plugin.
> 
> In Logic all of the editing controls are available with Voiceover whereas in 
> PT 11 at least, these are not.
> 
> Hope this helps a 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Scott Granados]

Reality sucks, drugs help though.
:)

Seriously, you work with what you got as they say.  Nothing wrong with that at 
all.  I’m fat and happy now but I’ve been working at it for 30 years and 
definitely been way on the other end of that spectrum, to the point I had to 
steal electricity.  so no worries.

> On May 22, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> One thing that annoys me is that logic isn’t getting further beeing 
> accessible.
> Of course i could get reaper but what i want is logic with all its 
> instruments and such.
> This might sound very strange for you guys who seem able to afford such tools 
> as protools.
> But i don’t want to spend all my income per month on a musical creation tool.
> I just can’t.
> Sure if i had money i’d buy that but i have to face reallity.
> /A
>> On 20 May 2016, at 14:53, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far as 
>> an interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside from 
>> it having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally analog.  
>> It's absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, as far as 
>> accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's nothing to 
>> be accessible about it!  It just works.  I had an M-Audio Fast Tracks C400, 
>> which again was 4 channels, as I recall, but the control pannel software was 
>> totally! inaccessible with Voiceover.  I know a lot of blind people, like 
>> Brian Howerton, etc. who really, and I do mean, really! know their stuff who 
>> are using the Focusright Sapphire Pro lineup of interfaces and flipping 
>> swear by them!  I've never asked them how accessible the control pannel 
>> configuration utility is for them, although, I hear that supposedly with 
>> Voiceover, it's pretty rock solid.
>> 
>> As for a control surface, obviously, the Apogy is really really killer, but 
>> then, for most average home consumers just getting started, as myself, who 
>> are more low end professionals, it would probably be overkill.  Well, and, 
>> plus, they're like, 5 grand, so, ehh, um, werpse?  ee yeah.  Now, Digidesign 
>> back in the days, made a gorgeous! and I do mean, gorgeous! interface that 
>> also was combined as a control surface, and it's software was phenominally 
>> accessible!  That was the Digi03.  Oh God! that thing was sweet!  
>> Unfortunately, it's not made anymore.  I would freaking kill! for one a 
>> those things though!  And, back when they were around, they were only like, 
>> $130 or so.  Right now, I'm using a presonus Faderport for the control 
>> surface.  In logic, or Reaper, forget it!  I never could get the darn thing 
>> to work.  I tried and tried, but it just! will, not do it.  For all intense 
>> and purpose, the software that comes with it is accessible, although there 
>> really isn't much anything useful in it that you'd really wanna do.  It's 
>> mainly just a driver.  You can update its firmware, which is totally 
>> Voiceover friendly, but that's about it.  I mean, that's about it, period.  
>> I don't mean that's all that is accessible.  I'm saying, that's literally 
>> all the software really does, so nothing to really write home about.  It 
>> does work though.  In ProTools however, this device works almost, if not 
>> totally, perfectly.  I think there were maybe one or two buttons I had to 
>> remap, but for the most part, I'd say 99 percent, it worked right out of the 
>> box.  I don't even remember initially installing the driver.  You can, yeah, 
>> but it's really not necessary.
>> 
>> Anyway, this is kind of very very gradually starting to veer from the topic 
>> of the mac and Voiceover, so let's try to be really careful with this 
>> thread.  I don't wanna be the enemy here of allowing it to go OT.  We're not 
>> there yet, but I fear it's on its way there.  LOL!  I think for now, we're 
>> OK, but I'd just be careful, as admittedly, this kind of is a bit of a grey 
>> area.
>> 
>> Chris.
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Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Cara Quinn]

Hey Chris,

No hard feelings taken. This thread is not a competition between ProTools and 
Logic. :)

Anders said his budget didn’t allow for ProTools just now so recommending Logic 
is a good thing.

This is not a judgement on my part of which piece of software is better. to me, 
they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I like both for different things.

For someone who just wants a good DAW for making their own music and coming out 
with a good sounding professional product then Logic is an inexpensive and in 
my opinion, an extremely good choice. That’s all. With what you get with Logic 
for the nice price, it is fabulous.

So there you go. :) -Just my thoughts…

This thread is about accessible music software on the Mac so right now, our 
highest quality choices are Logic and ProTools.

To me, which ever app people use to make great music for themselves or for 
work, is all good in my book. :)

Cheers!

Cara
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On May 23, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Let me make it very very clear on something, as I do not wish to give false 
information.  I'm probably not the one you want to be talking to when it comes 
to Logic, as honestly, I have to say I'm more on the side of the fence with 
Anders than with Cara, with all due respect.  No hard feelings are intended 
against Cara, so make that very very clear.  If Logic works for her, and for 
others, then great, but in a setting where I'm being paid on an hourly basis, 
or sometimes only have X amount of time booked in a studio which I take my 
Logic rig into, I don't have time to sit here and do work-arounds.  I need to 
produce no-nonsense music/production and get it done in a timely manor.  I 
agree that there are lots of work arounds, but that's just it.  they're work 
arounds.  I need something more rock-solid.

I love the samples that come with Logic, no doubt, but at this time, I'm sorry 
to say, it cannot be my DAW of choice primarily.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX


Hi Anders,

I’m not sure what you mean by saying that Logic is not being furthered in 
accessibility. While there are still issues with it, it is absolutely usable 
and all of its instruments are accessible now with Voiceover.

When I say usable, it is absolutely possible to create a project, mix and 
master it in Logic and do so efficiently and accessibly as Logic stands now.

the accessibility issues I see really depend on what you may wish to do with 
your project. If you need to convert a drummer track into standard midi for 
example, so you can have specific midi control over an individual drum sound in 
a preset auto-drummer kit, then you may run into an accessibility issue, 
however, there is a work-around. so even something as specific as this, which 
the average customer may not need, is actually doable.

So if you have not taken a look at Logic lately, you may wish to revisit it.

You may be impressed at how accessible it actually is at this point.

There are some very good Logic resources on the web, including the 
http://www.blindlogic.org site and the Logic Accessibility email list and I 
believe that our own Chris Gilland has also done some tutorials for Logic as 
well.

Hope this helps and please do have a lovely day!

Cheers!

Cara
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On May 22, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
One thing that annoys me is that logic isn’t getting further beeing accessible.
Of course i could get reaper but what i want is logic with all its instruments 
and such.
This might sound very strange for you guys who seem able to afford such tools 
as protools.
But i don’t want to spend all my income per month on a musical creation tool.
I just can’t.
Sure if i had money i’d buy that but i have to face reallity.
/A
> On 20 May 2016, at 14:53, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far as 
> an interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside from 
> it having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally analog.  It's 
> absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, as far as 
> accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's nothing to be 
> accessible about it!  

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Cara,

They do have an audio unit version.  I was only stating that you couldn't 
mixmatch the presets from PT into Logic.


In other words, separate presets would have to be made to get things working 
in Logic, as the Audio unit plug, just like the version in ProTools, isn't 
accessible straight out of the box.


The only problem is, there are no demos for Ivory.  The only way to get them 
is to buy it outright, which I think is a bit annoying, but, oh well.


You say you have some pianos that sound really good.  Aside the ones which 
come stock with Logic, what else are you using?

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cara Quinn" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for 
OSX



Hi Chris,

I hadn’t looked at the Ivory instruments that deeply since I was not 
interested in them. Yes, I am familiar with the different formats.


Thanks for letting me know though. I was thinking they had an audio unit 
version as well. Thanks for saving me the research. :) -And BTW, as others 
have said, thanks for your work with Synthogy to get the presets into a 
usable format for PT users.


Have a great evening!

Cheers!

Cara
On May 23, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


There are no demos as far as I know.  Further, the issue is, the plugins are 
not accessible out of the box, hince why custom presets have to be made. The 
problem is, there is no way to take custom made exported presets from 
ProTools, and load them up in logic.  They are two completely different 
formats, and work totally differently.  Plus, the plugins wouldn't work 
cross platform with the presets, even if you could! export the presets, as 
ProTools uses the AAX I think they're called, where as Logic uses Audio 
units, so totally different.  It would be kind of like trying to take an old 
RTas plug from PT back in the days, and load it up in Cakewalk/Sonar/Reaper. 
It's just not gonna happen.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for 
OSX



Hi Chris,

I do not know, as I do not have the Ivory plugins but I can certainly try 
them if there are demos.


I looked at them on the Synthogy site after I saw your posting on PTAccess 
but since I already have several pianos I really like the sound of, I did 
not purchase them.


I’ll see if there is a demo of some sort and try them in Logic.

Cheers!

Cara
---
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On May 20, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


What I! wanna know, Cara, is how we get presets made, or are they already, 
for Synthogy Ivory products, so that I can use the plugins within Logic.


Right now, I only can use 'em within ProTools, which is fine, being that's 
where I do 99.9% my work anyway, but that said, it definitely would be nice 
to have them in both.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for 
OSX



Hi Scott,

I think this thread is fine. It is Mac-centric as it were, after all. :)

Just to add a bit at what Chris has been saying; Yes, both ProTools and 
Logic Pro X are really the best options on Mac at this point.


I own both and also use both with outboard control surfaces / keyboards as 
well as external sound modules etc.


I feel that ProTools is definitely more intuitive out of the box but having 
said that, certain things are way easier to do with Logic and others are way 
easier with ProTools.


So as long as you can afford ProTools I would also suggest that you get 
Logic as well or at least try it out so you can judge for yourself.


One difference I have noticed between PT and Logic is that several plugins 
seem to be more accessible in Logic than in PT. This does not mean they are 
not usable to some degree in PT but they can be quite a bit more so in 
Logic.


One example is the M-Tron Pro plugin from G-Force software, which is an 
amazingly comprehensive Mellotron (and other trons) sampler plugin.


In Logic all of the editing controls are available with Voiceover whereas in 
PT 11 at least, these are not.


Hope 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Chris,

I hadn’t looked at the Ivory instruments that deeply since I was not interested 
in them. Yes, I am familiar with the different formats.

Thanks for letting me know though. I was thinking they had an audio unit 
version as well. Thanks for saving me the research. :) -And BTW, as others have 
said, thanks for your work with Synthogy to get the presets into a usable 
format for PT users.

Have a great evening!

Cheers!

Cara
On May 23, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

There are no demos as far as I know.  Further, the issue is, the plugins are 
not accessible out of the box, hince why custom presets have to be made. The 
problem is, there is no way to take custom made exported presets from ProTools, 
and load them up in logic.  They are two completely different formats, and work 
totally differently.  Plus, the plugins wouldn't work cross platform with the 
presets, even if you could! export the presets, as ProTools uses the AAX I 
think they're called, where as Logic uses Audio units, so totally different.  
It would be kind of like trying to take an old RTas plug from PT back in the 
days, and load it up in Cakewalk/Sonar/Reaper. It's just not gonna happen.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX


Hi Chris,

I do not know, as I do not have the Ivory plugins but I can certainly try them 
if there are demos.

I looked at them on the Synthogy site after I saw your posting on PTAccess but 
since I already have several pianos I really like the sound of, I did not 
purchase them.

I’ll see if there is a demo of some sort and try them in Logic.

Cheers!

Cara
---
iOS design and development - LookTel.com
---
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http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn

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On May 20, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

What I! wanna know, Cara, is how we get presets made, or are they already, for 
Synthogy Ivory products, so that I can use the plugins within Logic.

Right now, I only can use 'em within ProTools, which is fine, being that's 
where I do 99.9% my work anyway, but that said, it definitely would be nice to 
have them in both.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX


Hi Scott,

I think this thread is fine. It is Mac-centric as it were, after all. :)

Just to add a bit at what Chris has been saying; Yes, both ProTools and Logic 
Pro X are really the best options on Mac at this point.

I own both and also use both with outboard control surfaces / keyboards as well 
as external sound modules etc.

I feel that ProTools is definitely more intuitive out of the box but having 
said that, certain things are way easier to do with Logic and others are way 
easier with ProTools.

So as long as you can afford ProTools I would also suggest that you get Logic 
as well or at least try it out so you can judge for yourself.

One difference I have noticed between PT and Logic is that several plugins seem 
to be more accessible in Logic than in PT. This does not mean they are not 
usable to some degree in PT but they can be quite a bit more so in Logic.

One example is the M-Tron Pro plugin from G-Force software, which is an 
amazingly comprehensive Mellotron (and other trons) sampler plugin.

In Logic all of the editing controls are available with Voiceover whereas in PT 
11 at least, these are not.

Hope this helps a bit and do have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara
On May 20, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi Chris, I hope Mark will give us some latitude here but of course if he or 
the other mods wish I’d kill the thread no problem.

That said, I’ve found your comments very very helpful.

The last recording system I personally owned was an Alesis ADAT with a 
Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer.  Had analog controls but the busses and audio 
path were all 24 bit 100 KHZ digital.  For $900 it sounded really warm and nice 
and with the extra add on board I had installed I could do full 5.1 mixes.  
That being said it was hard to use being blind do to the menus.  The control 
surfaces were very good with real faders and pots but to work with the 
automation or some of your time sync stuff it involved working with an 8 line 
LCD display. So the more i can do in software on the mac that’s accessible the 
better and from 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Ray Foret jr]

Well, Chris, you were right about one thing.  For some people, (me for example) 
Pro Tools would be way way over kill.  After all, what am I going to do with 
all that sample and instrument stuff if all I want to do is take scratches out 
of records and hiss out of tape?  Answer, so far as I am concerned, is 
absolutely nothing.  I use a combination of Sound Forge Pro for Mac, Amadeus 
Pro and RX 2 plug ins for that stuff.  Is that combination perfect, no way.  
The two things I lack with that set up are as follows.

1.  The ability to vary pitch instead of abruptly adjusting it.

2.  The ability to extract the center of a stereo image and isolate it, or, the 
ability to remove the center of a stereo image and fully preserve the left and 
right sides of the stereo image as a true stereo image.  Sure, Audasity can do 
that:  but please man oh PLEASE, that’s crap because the stereo image gets 
destroied in the process and is not preserved.  The few plug ins I have found 
seem not to be accessible with Voice OVer at all.  IF you or anybody out there 
got any ideas, I await them.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!

> On May 23, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Let me make it very very clear on something, as I do not wish to give false 
> information.  I'm probably not the one you want to be talking to when it 
> comes to Logic, as honestly, I have to say I'm more on the side of the fence 
> with Anders than with Cara, with all due respect.  No hard feelings are 
> intended against Cara, so make that very very clear.  If Logic works for her, 
> and for others, then great, but in a setting where I'm being paid on an 
> hourly basis, or sometimes only have X amount of time booked in a studio 
> which I take my Logic rig into, I don't have time to sit here and do 
> work-arounds.  I need to produce no-nonsense music/production and get it done 
> in a timely manor.  I agree that there are lots of work arounds, but that's 
> just it.  they're work arounds.  I need something more rock-solid.
> 
> I love the samples that come with Logic, no doubt, but at this time, I'm 
> sorry to say, it cannot be my DAW of choice primarily.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
> To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX
> 
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> I’m not sure what you mean by saying that Logic is not being furthered in 
> accessibility. While there are still issues with it, it is absolutely usable 
> and all of its instruments are accessible now with Voiceover.
> 
> When I say usable, it is absolutely possible to create a project, mix and 
> master it in Logic and do so efficiently and accessibly as Logic stands now.
> 
> the accessibility issues I see really depend on what you may wish to do with 
> your project. If you need to convert a drummer track into standard midi for 
> example, so you can have specific midi control over an individual drum sound 
> in a preset auto-drummer kit, then you may run into an accessibility issue, 
> however, there is a work-around. so even something as specific as this, which 
> the average customer may not need, is actually doable.
> 
> So if you have not taken a look at Logic lately, you may wish to revisit it.
> 
> You may be impressed at how accessible it actually is at this point.
> 
> There are some very good Logic resources on the web, including the 
> http://www.blindlogic.org site and the Logic Accessibility email list and I 
> believe that our own Chris Gilland has also done some tutorials for Logic as 
> well.
> 
> Hope this helps and please do have a lovely day!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> ---
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> ---
> View my Online Portfolio at:
> 
> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn
> 
> Follow me on Twitter!
> 
> https://twitter.com/ModelCara
> 
> On May 22, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> One thing that annoys me is that logic isn’t getting further beeing 
> accessible.
> Of course i could get reaper but what i want is logic with all its 
> instruments and such.
> This might sound very strange for you guys who seem able to afford such tools 
> as protools.
> But i don’t want to spend all my income per month on a musical creation tool.
> I just can’t.
> Sure if i had money i’d buy that but i have to face reallity.
> /A
>> On 20 May 2016, at 14:53, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Let me make it very very clear on something, as I do not wish to give false 
information.  I'm probably not the one you want to be talking to when it 
comes to Logic, as honestly, I have to say I'm more on the side of the fence 
with Anders than with Cara, with all due respect.  No hard feelings are 
intended against Cara, so make that very very clear.  If Logic works for 
her, and for others, then great, but in a setting where I'm being paid on an 
hourly basis, or sometimes only have X amount of time booked in a studio 
which I take my Logic rig into, I don't have time to sit here and do 
work-arounds.  I need to produce no-nonsense music/production and get it 
done in a timely manor.  I agree that there are lots of work arounds, but 
that's just it.  they're work arounds.  I need something more rock-solid.


I love the samples that come with Logic, no doubt, but at this time, I'm 
sorry to say, it cannot be my DAW of choice primarily.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cara Quinn" 

To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for 
OSX



Hi Anders,

I’m not sure what you mean by saying that Logic is not being furthered in 
accessibility. While there are still issues with it, it is absolutely usable 
and all of its instruments are accessible now with Voiceover.


When I say usable, it is absolutely possible to create a project, mix and 
master it in Logic and do so efficiently and accessibly as Logic stands now.


the accessibility issues I see really depend on what you may wish to do with 
your project. If you need to convert a drummer track into standard midi for 
example, so you can have specific midi control over an individual drum sound 
in a preset auto-drummer kit, then you may run into an accessibility issue, 
however, there is a work-around. so even something as specific as this, 
which the average customer may not need, is actually doable.


So if you have not taken a look at Logic lately, you may wish to revisit it.

You may be impressed at how accessible it actually is at this point.

There are some very good Logic resources on the web, including the 
http://www.blindlogic.org site and the Logic Accessibility email list and I 
believe that our own Chris Gilland has also done some tutorials for Logic as 
well.


Hope this helps and please do have a lovely day!

Cheers!

Cara
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On May 22, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
One thing that annoys me is that logic isn’t getting further beeing 
accessible.
Of course i could get reaper but what i want is logic with all its 
instruments and such.
This might sound very strange for you guys who seem able to afford such 
tools as protools.
But i don’t want to spend all my income per month on a musical creation 
tool.

I just can’t.
Sure if i had money i’d buy that but i have to face reallity.
/A
On 20 May 2016, at 14:53, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


Scott,

I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far 
as an interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside 
from it having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally 
analog.  It's absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, 
as far as accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's 
nothing to be accessible about it!  It just works.  I had an M-Audio Fast 
Tracks C400, which again was 4 channels, as I recall, but the control 
pannel software was totally! inaccessible with Voiceover.  I know a lot of 
blind people, like Brian Howerton, etc. who really, and I do mean, really! 
know their stuff who are using the Focusright Sapphire Pro lineup of 
interfaces and flipping swear by them!  I've never asked them how 
accessible the control pannel configuration utility is for them, although, 
I hear that supposedly with Voiceover, it's pretty rock solid.


As for a control surface, obviously, the Apogy is really really killer, 
but then, for most average home consumers just getting started, as myself, 
who are more low end professionals, it would probably be overkill.  Well, 
and, plus, they're like, 5 grand, so, ehh, um, werpse?  ee yeah.  Now, 
Digidesign back in the days, made a gorgeous! and I do mean, gorgeous! 
interface that also was combined as a control surface, and it's software 
was phenominally accessible!  That was the Digi03.  Oh God! that thing was 
sweet!  Unfortunately, it's not made anymore.  I would freaking kill! for 
one a those things though!  And, back when they were around, they were 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

There are no demos as far as I know.  Further, the issue is, the plugins are 
not accessible out of the box, hince why custom presets have to be made. 
The problem is, there is no way to take custom made exported presets from 
ProTools, and load them up in logic.  They are two completely different 
formats, and work totally differently.  Plus, the plugins wouldn't work 
cross platform with the presets, even if you could! export the presets, as 
ProTools uses the AAX I think they're called, where as Logic uses Audio 
units, so totally different.  It would be kind of like trying to take an old 
RTas plug from PT back in the days, and load it up in Cakewalk/Sonar/Reaper. 
It's just not gonna happen.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cara Quinn" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for 
OSX



Hi Chris,

I do not know, as I do not have the Ivory plugins but I can certainly try 
them if there are demos.


I looked at them on the Synthogy site after I saw your posting on PTAccess 
but since I already have several pianos I really like the sound of, I did 
not purchase them.


I’ll see if there is a demo of some sort and try them in Logic.

Cheers!

Cara
---
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---
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On May 20, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


What I! wanna know, Cara, is how we get presets made, or are they already, 
for Synthogy Ivory products, so that I can use the plugins within Logic.


Right now, I only can use 'em within ProTools, which is fine, being that's 
where I do 99.9% my work anyway, but that said, it definitely would be nice 
to have them in both.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for 
OSX



Hi Scott,

I think this thread is fine. It is Mac-centric as it were, after all. :)

Just to add a bit at what Chris has been saying; Yes, both ProTools and 
Logic Pro X are really the best options on Mac at this point.


I own both and also use both with outboard control surfaces / keyboards as 
well as external sound modules etc.


I feel that ProTools is definitely more intuitive out of the box but having 
said that, certain things are way easier to do with Logic and others are way 
easier with ProTools.


So as long as you can afford ProTools I would also suggest that you get 
Logic as well or at least try it out so you can judge for yourself.


One difference I have noticed between PT and Logic is that several plugins 
seem to be more accessible in Logic than in PT. This does not mean they are 
not usable to some degree in PT but they can be quite a bit more so in 
Logic.


One example is the M-Tron Pro plugin from G-Force software, which is an 
amazingly comprehensive Mellotron (and other trons) sampler plugin.


In Logic all of the editing controls are available with Voiceover whereas in 
PT 11 at least, these are not.


Hope this helps a bit and do have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara
On May 20, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi Chris, I hope Mark will give us some latitude here but of course if he or 
the other mods wish I’d kill the thread no problem.


That said, I’ve found your comments very very helpful.

The last recording system I personally owned was an Alesis ADAT with a 
Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer.  Had analog controls but the busses and 
audio path were all 24 bit 100 KHZ digital.  For $900 it sounded really warm 
and nice and with the extra add on board I had installed I could do full 5.1 
mixes.  That being said it was hard to use being blind do to the menus.  The 
control surfaces were very good with real faders and pots but to work with 
the automation or some of your time sync stuff it involved working with an 8 
line LCD display. So the more i can do in software on the mac that’s 
accessible the better and from what you’re telling me it sounds like Mac 
with Protools hands down.


I feel a trip to Caruso Music coming on this weekend.  There’s something to 
be said growing up 8 miles from one of the largest equipment suppliers.:)  I 
believe they have a full setup I can get my hands on and I aught to be able 
to just hit command F5 on the mac.  Any tips for a n00by who hasn’t touched 
protools?


Other than the Mac and what sounds like a beautiful midi interface on your 
part, have you bothered with much 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Chris,

I do not know, as I do not have the Ivory plugins but I can certainly try them 
if there are demos.

I looked at them on the Synthogy site after I saw your posting on PTAccess but 
since I already have several pianos I really like the sound of, I did not 
purchase them.

I’ll see if there is a demo of some sort and try them in Logic.

Cheers!

Cara
---
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---
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On May 20, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

What I! wanna know, Cara, is how we get presets made, or are they already, for 
Synthogy Ivory products, so that I can use the plugins within Logic.

Right now, I only can use 'em within ProTools, which is fine, being that's 
where I do 99.9% my work anyway, but that said, it definitely would be nice to 
have them in both.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Cara Quinn" 
To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX


Hi Scott,

I think this thread is fine. It is Mac-centric as it were, after all. :)

Just to add a bit at what Chris has been saying; Yes, both ProTools and Logic 
Pro X are really the best options on Mac at this point.

I own both and also use both with outboard control surfaces / keyboards as well 
as external sound modules etc.

I feel that ProTools is definitely more intuitive out of the box but having 
said that, certain things are way easier to do with Logic and others are way 
easier with ProTools.

So as long as you can afford ProTools I would also suggest that you get Logic 
as well or at least try it out so you can judge for yourself.

One difference I have noticed between PT and Logic is that several plugins seem 
to be more accessible in Logic than in PT. This does not mean they are not 
usable to some degree in PT but they can be quite a bit more so in Logic.

One example is the M-Tron Pro plugin from G-Force software, which is an 
amazingly comprehensive Mellotron (and other trons) sampler plugin.

In Logic all of the editing controls are available with Voiceover whereas in PT 
11 at least, these are not.

Hope this helps a bit and do have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara
On May 20, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi Chris, I hope Mark will give us some latitude here but of course if he or 
the other mods wish I’d kill the thread no problem.

That said, I’ve found your comments very very helpful.

The last recording system I personally owned was an Alesis ADAT with a 
Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer.  Had analog controls but the busses and audio 
path were all 24 bit 100 KHZ digital.  For $900 it sounded really warm and nice 
and with the extra add on board I had installed I could do full 5.1 mixes.  
That being said it was hard to use being blind do to the menus.  The control 
surfaces were very good with real faders and pots but to work with the 
automation or some of your time sync stuff it involved working with an 8 line 
LCD display. So the more i can do in software on the mac that’s accessible the 
better and from what you’re telling me it sounds like Mac with Protools hands 
down.

I feel a trip to Caruso Music coming on this weekend.  There’s something to be 
said growing up 8 miles from one of the largest equipment suppliers.:)  I 
believe they have a full setup I can get my hands on and I aught to be able to 
just hit command F5 on the mac.  Any tips for a n00by who hasn’t touched 
protools?

Other than the Mac and what sounds like a beautiful midi interface on your 
part, have you bothered with much synthesis or sampling gear outside the 
application?  It sounds like protools does everything for you including the 
instrumentation.  I think of protools as a direct to disk recording system. 
When I was professionally involved with music that’s all it was and it had 
other applications you’d run along side like turbo synth or the midi patcher 
etc.  I guess now I need to think of it as a much more comprehensive music work 
station.

Also keeping it on topic.  You mentioned it runs on windows.  I can’t imagine 
running protools on windows.  I had a conversation with DigiDesign back in the 
day and they swear up and down they would never ever support the PC.  I’m glad 
to hear it still runs better on the mac but my how times have changed.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I hope others who are in the space 
will also post what they are working with or maybe there’s a better mailing 
list more specific to audio gear I should join.

Thanks Chris


Scott


> On May 20, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
One thing that annoys me is that logic isn’t getting further beeing accessible.
Of course i could get reaper but what i want is logic with all its instruments 
and such.
This might sound very strange for you guys who seem able to afford such tools 
as protools.
But i don’t want to spend all my income per month on a musical creation tool.
I just can’t.
Sure if i had money i’d buy that but i have to face reallity.
/A
> On 20 May 2016, at 14:53, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>  
> I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far as 
> an interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside from 
> it having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally analog.  It's 
> absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, as far as 
> accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's nothing to be 
> accessible about it!  It just works.  I had an M-Audio Fast Tracks C400, 
> which again was 4 channels, as I recall, but the control pannel software was 
> totally! inaccessible with Voiceover.  I know a lot of blind people, like 
> Brian Howerton, etc. who really, and I do mean, really! know their stuff who 
> are using the Focusright Sapphire Pro lineup of interfaces and flipping swear 
> by them!  I've never asked them how accessible the control pannel 
> configuration utility is for them, although, I hear that supposedly with 
> Voiceover, it's pretty rock solid.
>  
> As for a control surface, obviously, the Apogy is really really killer, but 
> then, for most average home consumers just getting started, as myself, who 
> are more low end professionals, it would probably be overkill.  Well, and, 
> plus, they're like, 5 grand, so, ehh, um, werpse?  ee yeah.  Now, Digidesign 
> back in the days, made a gorgeous! and I do mean, gorgeous! interface that 
> also was combined as a control surface, and it's software was phenominally 
> accessible!  That was the Digi03.  Oh God! that thing was sweet!  
> Unfortunately, it's not made anymore.  I would freaking kill! for one a those 
> things though!  And, back when they were around, they were only like, $130 or 
> so.  Right now, I'm using a presonus Faderport for the control surface.  In 
> logic, or Reaper, forget it!  I never could get the darn thing to work.  I 
> tried and tried, but it just! will, not do it.  For all intense and purpose, 
> the software that comes with it is accessible, although there really isn't 
> much anything useful in it that you'd really wanna do.  It's mainly just a 
> driver.  You can update its firmware, which is totally Voiceover friendly, 
> but that's about it.  I mean, that's about it, period.  I don't mean that's 
> all that is accessible.  I'm saying, that's literally all the software really 
> does, so nothing to really write home about.  It does work though.  In 
> ProTools however, this device works almost, if not totally, perfectly.  I 
> think there were maybe one or two buttons I had to remap, but for the most 
> part, I'd say 99 percent, it worked right out of the box.  I don't even 
> remember initially installing the driver.  You can, yeah, but it's really not 
> necessary.
>  
> Anyway, this is kind of very very gradually starting to veer from the topic 
> of the mac and Voiceover, so let's try to be really careful with this thread. 
>  I don't wanna be the enemy here of allowing it to go OT.  We're not there 
> yet, but I fear it's on its way there.  LOL!  I think for now, we're OK, but 
> I'd just be careful, as admittedly, this kind of is a bit of a grey area.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What I! wanna know, Cara, is how we get presets made, or are they already, 
for Synthogy Ivory products, so that I can use the plugins within Logic.


Right now, I only can use 'em within ProTools, which is fine, being that's 
where I do 99.9% my work anyway, but that said, it definitely would be nice 
to have them in both.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - 
From: "Cara Quinn" 

To: "'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for 
OSX



Hi Scott,

I think this thread is fine. It is Mac-centric as it were, after all. :)

Just to add a bit at what Chris has been saying; Yes, both ProTools and 
Logic Pro X are really the best options on Mac at this point.


I own both and also use both with outboard control surfaces / keyboards as 
well as external sound modules etc.


I feel that ProTools is definitely more intuitive out of the box but having 
said that, certain things are way easier to do with Logic and others are way 
easier with ProTools.


So as long as you can afford ProTools I would also suggest that you get 
Logic as well or at least try it out so you can judge for yourself.


One difference I have noticed between PT and Logic is that several plugins 
seem to be more accessible in Logic than in PT. This does not mean they are 
not usable to some degree in PT but they can be quite a bit more so in 
Logic.


One example is the M-Tron Pro plugin from G-Force software, which is an 
amazingly comprehensive Mellotron (and other trons) sampler plugin.


In Logic all of the editing controls are available with Voiceover whereas in 
PT 11 at least, these are not.


Hope this helps a bit and do have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara
On May 20, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi Chris, I hope Mark will give us some latitude here but of course if he or 
the other mods wish I’d kill the thread no problem.


That said, I’ve found your comments very very helpful.

The last recording system I personally owned was an Alesis ADAT with a 
Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer.  Had analog controls but the busses and 
audio path were all 24 bit 100 KHZ digital.  For $900 it sounded really warm 
and nice and with the extra add on board I had installed I could do full 5.1 
mixes.  That being said it was hard to use being blind do to the menus.  The 
control surfaces were very good with real faders and pots but to work with 
the automation or some of your time sync stuff it involved working with an 8 
line LCD display. So the more i can do in software on the mac that’s 
accessible the better and from what you’re telling me it sounds like Mac 
with Protools hands down.


I feel a trip to Caruso Music coming on this weekend.  There’s something to 
be said growing up 8 miles from one of the largest equipment suppliers.:)  I 
believe they have a full setup I can get my hands on and I aught to be able 
to just hit command F5 on the mac.  Any tips for a n00by who hasn’t touched 
protools?


Other than the Mac and what sounds like a beautiful midi interface on your 
part, have you bothered with much synthesis or sampling gear outside the 
application?  It sounds like protools does everything for you including the 
instrumentation.  I think of protools as a direct to disk recording system. 
When I was professionally involved with music that’s all it was and it had 
other applications you’d run along side like turbo synth or the midi patcher 
etc.  I guess now I need to think of it as a much more comprehensive music 
work station.


Also keeping it on topic.  You mentioned it runs on windows.  I can’t 
imagine running protools on windows.  I had a conversation with DigiDesign 
back in the day and they swear up and down they would never ever support the 
PC.  I’m glad to hear it still runs better on the mac but my how times have 
changed.


Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I hope others who are in the 
space will also post what they are working with or maybe there’s a better 
mailing list more specific to audio gear I should join.


Thanks Chris


Scott


On May 20, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Scott,

I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far 
as an interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside 
from it having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally 
analog.  It's absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, 
as far as accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's 
nothing to be accessible about it!  It just works.  I had an M-Audio Fast 
Tracks C400, which again was 4 channels, as I recall, but the control 
pannel software was totally! inaccessible with Voiceover.  I know a lot of 
blind people, 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Scott,

I think this thread is fine. It is Mac-centric as it were, after all. :)

Just to add a bit at what Chris has been saying; Yes, both ProTools and Logic 
Pro X are really the best options on Mac at this point.

I own both and also use both with outboard control surfaces / keyboards as well 
as external sound modules etc.

I feel that ProTools is definitely more intuitive out of the box but having 
said that, certain things are way easier to do with Logic and others are way 
easier with ProTools.

So as long as you can afford ProTools I would also suggest that you get Logic 
as well or at least try it out so you can judge for yourself.

One difference I have noticed between PT and Logic is that several plugins seem 
to be more accessible in Logic than in PT. This does not mean they are not 
usable to some degree in PT but they can be quite a bit more so in Logic.

One example is the M-Tron Pro plugin from G-Force software, which is an 
amazingly comprehensive Mellotron (and other trons) sampler plugin.

In Logic all of the editing controls are available with Voiceover whereas in PT 
11 at least, these are not.

Hope this helps a bit and do have a great weekend!

Cheers!

Cara
On May 20, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Hi Chris, I hope Mark will give us some latitude here but of course if he or 
the other mods wish I’d kill the thread no problem.

That said, I’ve found your comments very very helpful.

The last recording system I personally owned was an Alesis ADAT with a 
Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer.  Had analog controls but the busses and audio 
path were all 24 bit 100 KHZ digital.  For $900 it sounded really warm and nice 
and with the extra add on board I had installed I could do full 5.1 mixes.  
That being said it was hard to use being blind do to the menus.  The control 
surfaces were very good with real faders and pots but to work with the 
automation or some of your time sync stuff it involved working with an 8 line 
LCD display. So the more i can do in software on the mac that’s accessible the 
better and from what you’re telling me it sounds like Mac with Protools hands 
down.  

I feel a trip to Caruso Music coming on this weekend.  There’s something to be 
said growing up 8 miles from one of the largest equipment suppliers.:)  I 
believe they have a full setup I can get my hands on and I aught to be able to 
just hit command F5 on the mac.  Any tips for a n00by who hasn’t touched 
protools? 
 
Other than the Mac and what sounds like a beautiful midi interface on your 
part, have you bothered with much synthesis or sampling gear outside the 
application?  It sounds like protools does everything for you including the 
instrumentation.  I think of protools as a direct to disk recording system.  
When I was professionally involved with music that’s all it was and it had 
other applications you’d run along side like turbo synth or the midi patcher 
etc.  I guess now I need to think of it as a much more comprehensive music work 
station.

Also keeping it on topic.  You mentioned it runs on windows.  I can’t imagine 
running protools on windows.  I had a conversation with DigiDesign back in the 
day and they swear up and down they would never ever support the PC.  I’m glad 
to hear it still runs better on the mac but my how times have changed.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I hope others who are in the space 
will also post what they are working with or maybe there’s a better mailing 
list more specific to audio gear I should join.

Thanks Chris


Scott


> On May 20, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>  
> I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far as 
> an interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside from 
> it having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally analog.  It's 
> absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, as far as 
> accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's nothing to be 
> accessible about it!  It just works.  I had an M-Audio Fast Tracks C400, 
> which again was 4 channels, as I recall, but the control pannel software was 
> totally! inaccessible with Voiceover.  I know a lot of blind people, like 
> Brian Howerton, etc. who really, and I do mean, really! know their stuff who 
> are using the Focusright Sapphire Pro lineup of interfaces and flipping swear 
> by them!  I've never asked them how accessible the control pannel 
> configuration utility is for them, although, I hear that supposedly with 
> Voiceover, it's pretty rock solid.
>  
> As for a control surface, obviously, the Apogy is really really killer, but 
> then, for most average home consumers just getting started, as myself, who 
> are more low end professionals, it would probably be overkill.  Well, and, 
> plus, they're like, 5 grand, so, ehh, um, werpse?  ee yeah.  Now, Digidesign 
> back in the days, 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Scott, firstly you wrote:

Other than the Mac and what sounds like a beautiful midi interface on your 
part, have you bothered with much synthesis or sampling gear outside the 
application? 

Not really.

As for a more suited mailing list, since it sounds like you're so interested in 
ProTools, why don't you come join us on the PT access list, if you're not there 
already.  We'd absolutely be thrilled to have you!

ptaccess+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Or you could do:

logic-accessibility+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Chris.

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Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Scott,

Heres an excellent group to join for Pro Tools on the mac.
Pro Tools Accessibility
I've been running my studio on a mac with pt since 2001, & before that on an 
adat set up and before that on an ampex mm-1100 16 track 2"inch tape machine.
 give a call if you want to chat.
Thanks
Chuck

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On May 20, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Hi Chris, I hope Mark will give us some latitude here but of course if he or 
> the other mods wish I’d kill the thread no problem.
> 
> That said, I’ve found your comments very very helpful.
> 
> The last recording system I personally owned was an Alesis ADAT with a 
> Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer.  Had analog controls but the busses and 
> audio path were all 24 bit 100 KHZ digital.  For $900 it sounded really warm 
> and nice and with the extra add on board I had installed I could do full 5.1 
> mixes.  That being said it was hard to use being blind do to the menus.  The 
> control surfaces were very good with real faders and pots but to work with 
> the automation or some of your time sync stuff it involved working with an 8 
> line LCD display. So the more i can do in software on the mac that’s 
> accessible the better and from what you’re telling me it sounds like Mac with 
> Protools hands down.  
> 
> I feel a trip to Caruso Music coming on this weekend.  There’s something to 
> be said growing up 8 miles from one of the largest equipment suppliers.:)  I 
> believe they have a full setup I can get my hands on and I aught to be able 
> to just hit command F5 on the mac.  Any tips for a n00by who hasn’t touched 
> protools? 
>  
> Other than the Mac and what sounds like a beautiful midi interface on your 
> part, have you bothered with much synthesis or sampling gear outside the 
> application?  It sounds like protools does everything for you including the 
> instrumentation.  I think of protools as a direct to disk recording system.  
> When I was professionally involved with music that’s all it was and it had 
> other applications you’d run along side like turbo synth or the midi patcher 
> etc.  I guess now I need to think of it as a much more comprehensive music 
> work station.
> 
> Also keeping it on topic.  You mentioned it runs on windows.  I can’t imagine 
> running protools on windows.  I had a conversation with DigiDesign back in 
> the day and they swear up and down they would never ever support the PC.  I’m 
> glad to hear it still runs better on the mac but my how times have changed.
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I hope others who are in the space 
> will also post what they are working with or maybe there’s a better mailing 
> list more specific to audio gear I should join.
> 
> Thanks Chris
> 
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  
>> I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far as 
>> an interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside from 
>> it having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally analog.  
>> It's absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, as far as 
>> accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's nothing to 
>> be accessible about it!  It just works.  I had an M-Audio Fast Tracks C400, 
>> which again was 4 channels, as I recall, but the control pannel software was 
>> totally! inaccessible with Voiceover.  I know a lot of blind people, like 
>> Brian Howerton, etc. who really, and I do mean, really! know their stuff who 
>> are using the Focusright Sapphire Pro lineup of interfaces and flipping 
>> swear by them!  I've never asked them how accessible the control pannel 
>> configuration utility is for them, although, I hear that supposedly with 
>> Voiceover, it's pretty rock solid.
>>  
>> As for a control surface, obviously, the Apogy is really really killer, but 
>> then, for most average home consumers just getting started, as myself, who 
>> are more low end professionals, it would probably be overkill.  Well, and, 
>> plus, they're like, 5 grand, so, ehh, um, werpse?  ee yeah.  Now, Digidesign 
>> back in the days, made a gorgeous! and I do mean, gorgeous! interface that 
>> also was combined as a control surface, and it's software was phenominally 
>> accessible!  That was the Digi03.  Oh God! that thing was sweet!  
>> Unfortunately, it's not made anymore.  I would freaking kill! for one a 
>> those things though!  And, back when they were around, they were only like, 
>> $130 or so.  Right now, I'm using a presonus Faderport for the control 
>> surface.  In logic, or Reaper, forget it!  I never could get the darn thing 
>> to work.  I tried and tried, but it just! will, not do it.  For all intense 
>> and purpose, the software that comes with it is accessible, although there 
>> really isn't 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Scott Granados]

Hi Chris, I hope Mark will give us some latitude here but of course if he or 
the other mods wish I’d kill the thread no problem.

That said, I’ve found your comments very very helpful.

The last recording system I personally owned was an Alesis ADAT with a 
Behringer DDX3216 digital mixer.  Had analog controls but the busses and audio 
path were all 24 bit 100 KHZ digital.  For $900 it sounded really warm and nice 
and with the extra add on board I had installed I could do full 5.1 mixes.  
That being said it was hard to use being blind do to the menus.  The control 
surfaces were very good with real faders and pots but to work with the 
automation or some of your time sync stuff it involved working with an 8 line 
LCD display. So the more i can do in software on the mac that’s accessible the 
better and from what you’re telling me it sounds like Mac with Protools hands 
down.  

I feel a trip to Caruso Music coming on this weekend.  There’s something to be 
said growing up 8 miles from one of the largest equipment suppliers.:)  I 
believe they have a full setup I can get my hands on and I aught to be able to 
just hit command F5 on the mac.  Any tips for a n00by who hasn’t touched 
protools? 
 
Other than the Mac and what sounds like a beautiful midi interface on your 
part, have you bothered with much synthesis or sampling gear outside the 
application?  It sounds like protools does everything for you including the 
instrumentation.  I think of protools as a direct to disk recording system.  
When I was professionally involved with music that’s all it was and it had 
other applications you’d run along side like turbo synth or the midi patcher 
etc.  I guess now I need to think of it as a much more comprehensive music work 
station.

Also keeping it on topic.  You mentioned it runs on windows.  I can’t imagine 
running protools on windows.  I had a conversation with DigiDesign back in the 
day and they swear up and down they would never ever support the PC.  I’m glad 
to hear it still runs better on the mac but my how times have changed.

Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I hope others who are in the space 
will also post what they are working with or maybe there’s a better mailing 
list more specific to audio gear I should join.

Thanks Chris


Scott


> On May 20, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>  
> I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far as 
> an interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside from 
> it having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally analog.  It's 
> absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, as far as 
> accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's nothing to be 
> accessible about it!  It just works.  I had an M-Audio Fast Tracks C400, 
> which again was 4 channels, as I recall, but the control pannel software was 
> totally! inaccessible with Voiceover.  I know a lot of blind people, like 
> Brian Howerton, etc. who really, and I do mean, really! know their stuff who 
> are using the Focusright Sapphire Pro lineup of interfaces and flipping swear 
> by them!  I've never asked them how accessible the control pannel 
> configuration utility is for them, although, I hear that supposedly with 
> Voiceover, it's pretty rock solid.
>  
> As for a control surface, obviously, the Apogy is really really killer, but 
> then, for most average home consumers just getting started, as myself, who 
> are more low end professionals, it would probably be overkill.  Well, and, 
> plus, they're like, 5 grand, so, ehh, um, werpse?  ee yeah.  Now, Digidesign 
> back in the days, made a gorgeous! and I do mean, gorgeous! interface that 
> also was combined as a control surface, and it's software was phenominally 
> accessible!  That was the Digi03.  Oh God! that thing was sweet!  
> Unfortunately, it's not made anymore.  I would freaking kill! for one a those 
> things though!  And, back when they were around, they were only like, $130 or 
> so.  Right now, I'm using a presonus Faderport for the control surface.  In 
> logic, or Reaper, forget it!  I never could get the darn thing to work.  I 
> tried and tried, but it just! will, not do it.  For all intense and purpose, 
> the software that comes with it is accessible, although there really isn't 
> much anything useful in it that you'd really wanna do.  It's mainly just a 
> driver.  You can update its firmware, which is totally Voiceover friendly, 
> but that's about it.  I mean, that's about it, period.  I don't mean that's 
> all that is accessible.  I'm saying, that's literally all the software really 
> does, so nothing to really write home about.  It does work though.  In 
> ProTools however, this device works almost, if not totally, perfectly.  I 
> think there were maybe one or two buttons I had to remap, but for the most 
> part, I'd say 99 percent, it worked right out of 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Scott,

I'll be really honest with you.  You know what I use hardware wise as far as an 
interface?  I just use a little 4 channel Alesis Multi-Mix 4.  Aside from it 
having USB interface, the whole rest of the thing is totally analog.  It's 
absolutely beautiful!  And, they're dirt cheap, too!  Plus, as far as 
accessibility with the mac, just to keep this on topic, there's nothing to be 
accessible about it!  It just works.  I had an M-Audio Fast Tracks C400, which 
again was 4 channels, as I recall, but the control pannel software was totally! 
inaccessible with Voiceover.  I know a lot of blind people, like Brian 
Howerton, etc. who really, and I do mean, really! know their stuff who are 
using the Focusright Sapphire Pro lineup of interfaces and flipping swear by 
them!  I've never asked them how accessible the control pannel configuration 
utility is for them, although, I hear that supposedly with Voiceover, it's 
pretty rock solid.

As for a control surface, obviously, the Apogy is really really killer, but 
then, for most average home consumers just getting started, as myself, who are 
more low end professionals, it would probably be overkill.  Well, and, plus, 
they're like, 5 grand, so, ehh, um, werpse?  ee yeah.  Now, Digidesign back in 
the days, made a gorgeous! and I do mean, gorgeous! interface that also was 
combined as a control surface, and it's software was phenominally accessible!  
That was the Digi03.  Oh God! that thing was sweet!  Unfortunately, it's not 
made anymore.  I would freaking kill! for one a those things though!  And, back 
when they were around, they were only like, $130 or so.  Right now, I'm using a 
presonus Faderport for the control surface.  In logic, or Reaper, forget it!  I 
never could get the darn thing to work.  I tried and tried, but it just! will, 
not do it.  For all intense and purpose, the software that comes with it is 
accessible, although there really isn't much anything useful in it that you'd 
really wanna do.  It's mainly just a driver.  You can update its firmware, 
which is totally Voiceover friendly, but that's about it.  I mean, that's about 
it, period.  I don't mean that's all that is accessible.  I'm saying, that's 
literally all the software really does, so nothing to really write home about.  
It does work though.  In ProTools however, this device works almost, if not 
totally, perfectly.  I think there were maybe one or two buttons I had to 
remap, but for the most part, I'd say 99 percent, it worked right out of the 
box.  I don't even remember initially installing the driver.  You can, yeah, 
but it's really not necessary.

Anyway, this is kind of very very gradually starting to veer from the topic of 
the mac and Voiceover, so let's try to be really careful with this thread.  I 
don't wanna be the enemy here of allowing it to go OT.  We're not there yet, 
but I fear it's on its way there.  LOL!  I think for now, we're OK, but I'd 
just be careful, as admittedly, this kind of is a bit of a grey area.

Chris.

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Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Scott Granados]

Chris, this was absolutely fantastic, thank you.  

I’m glad protools is accessible.  I remember when it came out years and years 
ago, it was digidesign then.  I’m also surprised it’s only $700.  I know that 
sounds nuts but keep in mind, the gear I learned on cost $750,000 (seven 
hundred and fifty thousand) for folks with improper numerical decoders.  When 
you added the mixing console you were way over a million.  What did you get for 
a million?  You got 96 megabytes of memory (unheard of at the time), 32 track 
direct to disk recorder, 96 poly voices, 200 track sequencer, worm drive, tape 
drive, mac computer and several large flight cases.:)  The mixer was an SSL 
6000E hand built in the UK if memory serves with pluggable modules and complete 
automation including flying faders.  
If you actually want to hear audio from the configuration I worked on 
listen to any Star Trek next generation episode or X Files episode.  Also, the 
most closely matched example you can hear is Frank Zappa’s Jazz from Hell.

So the idea I can have all the power you mention for the price of a decent 
computer and $700 is shocking to an old guy like me.

What about outboard hardware?  Do you use any special digital to audio 
convertors?  What about a mixing surface?

Thanks for such a detailed response, I think I need to give protools a shot.


> On May 19, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>  
> First off, I definitely do use ProTools, yes, and find it extremely 
> accessible!  This said, I've played with Logic Pro X, and can simply say 
> this.  People clame that it's totally accessible, and works better than 
> ProTools.  I'd like to say they're wrong bigtime on this, and oh, believe you 
> me!  Oh baby! is it tempting for me to do so, but I won't.  Mainly because 
> that's very subjective.  What I think is not very usable may be totally! 
> usable to someone else.  I can tell you this though.  And this I do! refuse 
> to argue.  Logic is incredibly confusing and very tedious with achieving 
> certain tasks.  Not to mention it is very unlogical, no pun intended, in how 
> you do a lot of things, such as editting, etc.
>  
> I know some people who would swear that Amadeus Pro is all you need.  I 
> definitely disagree with this.  Though it may be great for low level 
> editting, maybe for some basic podcasting, etc, it never will amount to what 
> PT ever could do.  I'm sorry, but I'll stick to that until proven otherwise.  
> I'm not saying it's not a good app, but you won't get PT quality, just beware.
>  
> A lot of people say, Well, I'm not spending 700 bucks for ProTools, plus 
> possibly another 49 for the ILok.  Firstly, let me say that most copies 
> anymore these days come with the ILok included, so there.  49 you are less in 
> debt.  What I say to these people though who argue it's too expensive is, OK, 
> how serious are you about taking your music or audio production in general, 
> to the next level?
>  
> Well, I wanna do it, but...
>  
> OK, then do it, and quit barking about it!  No one ever said success was 
> free, nor didn't take some work/effort.
>  
> Trust me, me saving up to buy ProTools wasn't easy, but oh, God dang it was 
> it worth it!
>  
> Reaper even can be used over on the mac if you want a cheaper solution.  Now, 
> that said, it's not going to be as good as using it with Osara over on the 
> Windows side in my opinion.  You don't have the extra extensions, so... you 
> do have access to the console though, so if nothing else, you could use the 
> CLI console part of Reaper, sorry, I'm drawing a blank on what exactly they 
> call it.
>  
> As for synths, the Creative Air stuff that comes bundled with ProTools is 
> freaking breath taking!  Combine that with the samples you get through 
> Alcony, with Logic, etc. and you got yourself a killer! set of sounds.  Look 
> at the DB33 Hamond B3 modeler that comes stock with ProTools.  That dang 
> thing even has virtual drawbars within the plugin window, all of which are 
> totally accessible with Voiceover.
>  
> If you want a really really great piano sample, then there is always Synthogy 
> Ivory.  I own the entire set of pianos.  Every one of them, not a single one 
> missing.
>  
> After talking to Synthogy, I even got them to create presets for ProTools for 
> the Itallian Grands 2 set.  If anyone needs them, just let me know, and I'll 
> zippem up.  The other presets are freely available on
>  
> http://www.protoolswithspeech.com 
>  
> Session drummer, and Adictive Drums are somewhat doable, although the samples 
> within XPand2 are really darn good!
>  
> As for hardware, I'm using a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano.  This 
> thing has all 3 peddles just like normal, plus is USB midi ready.  The only, 
> and I do literally! mean the only! only! only! thing I don't like about this 
> unit is the fact that with it being a digital piano 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Scott,

First off, I definitely do use ProTools, yes, and find it extremely accessible! 
 This said, I've played with Logic Pro X, and can simply say this.  People 
clame that it's totally accessible, and works better than ProTools.  I'd like 
to say they're wrong bigtime on this, and oh, believe you me!  Oh baby! is it 
tempting for me to do so, but I won't.  Mainly because that's very subjective.  
What I think is not very usable may be totally! usable to someone else.  I can 
tell you this though.  And this I do! refuse to argue.  Logic is incredibly 
confusing and very tedious with achieving certain tasks.  Not to mention it is 
very unlogical, no pun intended, in how you do a lot of things, such as 
editting, etc.

I know some people who would swear that Amadeus Pro is all you need.  I 
definitely disagree with this.  Though it may be great for low level editting, 
maybe for some basic podcasting, etc, it never will amount to what PT ever 
could do.  I'm sorry, but I'll stick to that until proven otherwise.  I'm not 
saying it's not a good app, but you won't get PT quality, just beware.

A lot of people say, Well, I'm not spending 700 bucks for ProTools, plus 
possibly another 49 for the ILok.  Firstly, let me say that most copies anymore 
these days come with the ILok included, so there.  49 you are less in debt.  
What I say to these people though who argue it's too expensive is, OK, how 
serious are you about taking your music or audio production in general, to the 
next level?

Well, I wanna do it, but...

OK, then do it, and quit barking about it!  No one ever said success was free, 
nor didn't take some work/effort.

Trust me, me saving up to buy ProTools wasn't easy, but oh, God dang it was it 
worth it!

Reaper even can be used over on the mac if you want a cheaper solution.  Now, 
that said, it's not going to be as good as using it with Osara over on the 
Windows side in my opinion.  You don't have the extra extensions, so... you do 
have access to the console though, so if nothing else, you could use the CLI 
console part of Reaper, sorry, I'm drawing a blank on what exactly they call it.

As for synths, the Creative Air stuff that comes bundled with ProTools is 
freaking breath taking!  Combine that with the samples you get through Alcony, 
with Logic, etc. and you got yourself a killer! set of sounds.  Look at the 
DB33 Hamond B3 modeler that comes stock with ProTools.  That dang thing even 
has virtual drawbars within the plugin window, all of which are totally 
accessible with Voiceover.

If you want a really really great piano sample, then there is always Synthogy 
Ivory.  I own the entire set of pianos.  Every one of them, not a single one 
missing.

After talking to Synthogy, I even got them to create presets for ProTools for 
the Itallian Grands 2 set.  If anyone needs them, just let me know, and I'll 
zippem up.  The other presets are freely available on

http://www.protoolswithspeech.com

Session drummer, and Adictive Drums are somewhat doable, although the samples 
within XPand2 are really darn good!

As for hardware, I'm using a Roland RP401R Rosewood digital piano.  This thing 
has all 3 peddles just like normal, plus is USB midi ready.  The only, and I do 
literally! mean the only! only! only! thing I don't like about this unit is the 
fact that with it being a digital piano initially, therefore the emphesis being 
on the piano more than it being a keyboard, there is no pitch bend wheel.  So 
for things like saxes, flutes, etc. it can be a little hard.  Also for guitar 
samples, most of the time, I'd just play them outright with a real guitar, but 
if I had to do it via midi, it obviously won't work if I have to bend a string.

Try playing the lead part of Wonderful Tonight by Erick Clapton with no pitch 
bend dial.  Yeah, tell me how that works for ya.  LOL!  It kind a don't.

I thought about getting a Yamaha Motif.  I know tons of people in the blind 
community who use 'em, some even in combination with the mac, and love it.  I 
can't really comment there.  I don't have upwards of 4 grand to spend on one.  
Now, if any of you all just wanna Fedex me one freely? Then be my guest!  LOL!  
Just kidding wit ya!

I think at the end of the day, it really just depends on what you want to do 
music wise, or audio production wise.  For some, ProTools inevitably would be 
way overkill.  For others like you and I, it may be absolutely perfect.

Heck.  I hear even Audasity is somewhat usable on the mac, but, bweh... don't! 
even begin! to get me started with that!  We'll just leave it to say that both 
on Windows, and! on the mac, Audasity and I are worst enemies.  LOL!

Anyway, I hope this somewhat helps.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Granados 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 8:13 PM
  Subject: music gear and 

Re: music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I sure am.
Even though i don’t have the inspiration now but maybe the discussion can make 
me inspired.
/A
> On 19 May 2016, at 02:13, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So hopefully this is on topic enough that Mark will permit the topic.
> 
> I’m very interested in the music side of the discussions here.  Chris, I know 
> you’re an accomplished protools user and it sounds like a fair bit of other 
> applications.  It seems like others also are very involved.  What’s the 
> current state of accessibility in the music space?  I know protools is quite 
> accessible what about other applications?  Is turbo synth still a thing?  How 
> about on the hardware side?  Are any of the samplers or dedicated keyboards / 
> music work stations including accessibility features?  To give folks an idea 
> of where I’m coming from my last exposure was my own collection of Roland 
> Samplers, Akai Samplers and Other vintage synths like a DX7 and some old moog 
> gear.  I had to memorize all the button presses and menus / sub menus by key 
> press.
>   The last major hardware I worked on was a Synclavier post pro SD with 
> the 96 voice poly option, the synclavier full keyboard and a Mac 2FX I 
> believe it was that ran the outboard software.  All sorts of other dated 
> options like a worm drive and tape backup.  I also worked with several 
> versions of the Fairlight CMI and MFX.  The Fairlight was great because while 
> it was hugely graphical all the operations were done with numbered pages and 
> very defined keystrokes on a dedicated terminal.  So you’d get immediate 
> audio feedback with keystrokes.  All these methods were clumsy at best with 
> the exception of the CMI.  The Synclavier for example had 101 buttons on the 
> front panel along with a full CRT, 88 velocity keys and real B52 bomber 
> switches.  (actual aircraft hardware) So the gear was complex and required a 
> lot of memorization to use, especially difficult when high.:)
> 
> So if I wanted to build a studio today around the Mac what would you include? 
>  Would you bother including outboard hardware any more or can it all be done 
> in software?  If others don’t mind could we start a thread on the state of 
> music gear especially Apple focused and make specific suggestions?
> 
> I’m very interested, hope others are.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Scott
>   
>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Candler > > wrote:
>> 
>> I believe it's CMD + shift + M. I don't remember off the top of my head 
>> sense I use my board for everything from Djay.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/18/2016 2:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Does anyone by chance know the keystroke in DJay for the mac to toggle 
>>> on/off my microphone?  I see the checkbox, but surely there has to be an 
>>> easier way than vo+right arrowing all the way down there and hitting 
>>> VO+Space.  Yes, I know that I could set up a hotspot, and I may wind up 
>>> just doing that, but I could swear I remember their being a shortcut key to 
>>> do this.  Do we have any DJay users on here who may know?
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music gear and accessibility was Re: Question about DJay for OSX

[Scott Granados]

So hopefully this is on topic enough that Mark will permit the topic.

I’m very interested in the music side of the discussions here.  Chris, I know 
you’re an accomplished protools user and it sounds like a fair bit of other 
applications.  It seems like others also are very involved.  What’s the current 
state of accessibility in the music space?  I know protools is quite accessible 
what about other applications?  Is turbo synth still a thing?  How about on the 
hardware side?  Are any of the samplers or dedicated keyboards / music work 
stations including accessibility features?  To give folks an idea of where I’m 
coming from my last exposure was my own collection of Roland Samplers, Akai 
Samplers and Other vintage synths like a DX7 and some old moog gear.  I had to 
memorize all the button presses and menus / sub menus by key press.
The last major hardware I worked on was a Synclavier post pro SD with 
the 96 voice poly option, the synclavier full keyboard and a Mac 2FX I believe 
it was that ran the outboard software.  All sorts of other dated options like a 
worm drive and tape backup.  I also worked with several versions of the 
Fairlight CMI and MFX.  The Fairlight was great because while it was hugely 
graphical all the operations were done with numbered pages and very defined 
keystrokes on a dedicated terminal.  So you’d get immediate audio feedback with 
keystrokes.  All these methods were clumsy at best with the exception of the 
CMI.  The Synclavier for example had 101 buttons on the front panel along with 
a full CRT, 88 velocity keys and real B52 bomber switches.  (actual aircraft 
hardware) So the gear was complex and required a lot of memorization to use, 
especially difficult when high.:)

So if I wanted to build a studio today around the Mac what would you include?  
Would you bother including outboard hardware any more or can it all be done in 
software?  If others don’t mind could we start a thread on the state of music 
gear especially Apple focused and make specific suggestions?

I’m very interested, hope others are.

Thanks

Scott
  
> On May 18, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Candler  wrote:
> 
> I believe it's CMD + shift + M. I don't remember off the top of my head sense 
> I use my board for everything from Djay.
> 
> 
> On 5/18/2016 2:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Does anyone by chance know the keystroke in DJay for the mac to toggle 
>> on/off my microphone?  I see the checkbox, but surely there has to be an 
>> easier way than vo+right arrowing all the way down there and hitting 
>> VO+Space.  Yes, I know that I could set up a hotspot, and I may wind up just 
>> doing that, but I could swear I remember their being a shortcut key to do 
>> this.  Do we have any DJay users on here who may know?
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