navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
If you want to read the full row, you should be able to hit control-option-r and it should be read. This is the one area that I feel VO lacks a little in on web pages. Kev On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Hi ANgie, Can you clarify a bit what is going on? What did VO say when this didn't work for you? Table navigation has always worked flawlessly for me, both on the web and in the OS in general. Best, Zack. On Jul 19, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011, Kevin Mattingly wrote: If you want to read the full row, you should be able to hit control-option-r and it should be read. This is the one area that I feel VO lacks a little in on web pages. There are apparently improvements to VoiceOver regarding web pages in Lion. I know there are more shortcut keys available at least.x Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
OK, two questions: Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Hi Chris, When in a table, investigate single and double presses of vo-c and vo-r. Those will read you the sorts of information you're requesting, I think. THe only really clever things I can think of involving tables are for tables in OS X in general. You can use vo-cmd-backslash to move to the parent row of something, i.e., in the services table where there are tons of tables with collapsable headings. Similarly, in Mail or indeed a lot of applications, use vo-vertical bar to sort a able by a specific column, or twice to reverse the sort order. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, two questions: Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Hi all! Well in the vo commands help menu! Under tables! There are options to read different things! VO+c+c will read the column! VO+shift+t will read column and row numbers! And there are others, if you want to you can assign each one to one of the commanders either numpad,keyboard or even the track pad if you have one! And just one more thought are you navigating the table with quicknav! If you are you'll only have to hold the vo keys to read the row I think the up and down arrows will work on there own! hth Colin On 19 Jul 2011, at 19:43, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, two questions: Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Ok, I got it to work, now here's another question, is there a way to read web pages line by line, like with JAWS in windows? sorry to keep compairing things, it's just the only way I know to explain what I want. Thanks loads! On 7/19/11, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi all! Well in the vo commands help menu! Under tables! There are options to read different things! VO+c+c will read the column! VO+shift+t will read column and row numbers! And there are others, if you want to you can assign each one to one of the commanders either numpad,keyboard or even the track pad if you have one! And just one more thought are you navigating the table with quicknav! If you are you'll only have to hold the vo keys to read the row I think the up and down arrows will work on there own! hth Colin On 19 Jul 2011, at 19:43, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, two questions: Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Let me expand on your comment with Mail. Right now, it's putting my most recent messages at the bottom of my mail list table. If I want that reversed so that the most recent e-mails are at the top, then, how do I do that? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Chris, When in a table, investigate single and double presses of vo-c and vo-r. Those will read you the sorts of information you're requesting, I think. THe only really clever things I can think of involving tables are for tables in OS X in general. You can use vo-cmd-backslash to move to the parent row of something, i.e., in the services table where there are tons of tables with collapsable headings. Similarly, in Mail or indeed a lot of applications, use vo-vertical bar to sort a able by a specific column, or twice to reverse the sort order. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, two questions: Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Hi Chris, In that case, move over to the date received column and press vo-vertical bar one time. It should say sort down, Date, and you will magically find your messages sorted in reverse chronological order. Repeat this to reverse the sort. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Let me expand on your comment with Mail. Right now, it's putting my most recent messages at the bottom of my mail list table. If I want that reversed so that the most recent e-mails are at the top, then, how do I do that? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Chris, When in a table, investigate single and double presses of vo-c and vo-r. Those will read you the sorts of information you're requesting, I think. THe only really clever things I can think of involving tables are for tables in OS X in general. You can use vo-cmd-backslash to move to the parent row of something, i.e., in the services table where there are tons of tables with collapsable headings. Similarly, in Mail or indeed a lot of applications, use vo-vertical bar to sort a able by a specific column, or twice to reverse the sort order. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, two questions: Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Hi Angie! Well that is one of things you'll have to see which way you would prefer! You can just use vo+down arrow for the next line or up for the previous! But with quick nav [ to start quicknav press the left and right arrows down at the same time! vo will say quick nav on or off ] Then all you'll have to do is use the down arrow or up! So just think of quick nav as using the arrows without having to hold the vo keys and quick nav helps some people on web sites! There is also a command to read the current sentence! vo+l hth Colin On 19 Jul 2011, at 20:28, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I got it to work, now here's another question, is there a way to read web pages line by line, like with JAWS in windows? sorry to keep comparing things, it's just the only way I know to explain what I want. Thanks loads! On 7/19/11, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi all! Well in the vo commands help menu! Under tables! There are options to read different things! VO+c+c will read the column! VO+shift+t will read column and row numbers! And there are others, if you want to you can assign each one to one of the commanders either numpad,keyboard or even the track pad if you have one! And just one more thought are you navigating the table with quicknav! If you are you'll only have to hold the vo keys to read the row I think the up and down arrows will work on there own! hth Colin On 19 Jul 2011, at 19:43, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, two questions: Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Correction, Vo+L reads the current line. Vo+S reaeds the current sentence. Chris. - Original Message - From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac Hi Angie! Well that is one of things you'll have to see which way you would prefer! You can just use vo+down arrow for the next line or up for the previous! But with quick nav [ to start quicknav press the left and right arrows down at the same time! vo will say quick nav on or off ] Then all you'll have to do is use the down arrow or up! So just think of quick nav as using the arrows without having to hold the vo keys and quick nav helps some people on web sites! There is also a command to read the current sentence! vo+l hth Colin On 19 Jul 2011, at 20:28, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I got it to work, now here's another question, is there a way to read web pages line by line, like with JAWS in windows? sorry to keep comparing things, it's just the only way I know to explain what I want. Thanks loads! On 7/19/11, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi all! Well in the vo commands help menu! Under tables! There are options to read different things! VO+c+c will read the column! VO+shift+t will read column and row numbers! And there are others, if you want to you can assign each one to one of the commanders either numpad,keyboard or even the track pad if you have one! And just one more thought are you navigating the table with quicknav! If you are you'll only have to hold the vo keys to read the row I think the up and down arrows will work on there own! hth Colin On 19 Jul 2011, at 19:43, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, two questions: Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Hi Chris! Well my brain said [line] but my fingers typed [sentence] Oh well there you go! hahahahahaha Thanks for the correction! Colin On 19 Jul 2011, at 22:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Correction, Vo+L reads the current line. Vo+S reads the current sentence. Chris. - Original Message - From: Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:16 PM Subject: Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac Hi Angie! Well that is one of things you'll have to see which way you would prefer! You can just use vo+down arrow for the next line or up for the previous! But with quick nav [ to start quicknav press the left and right arrows down at the same time! vo will say quick nav on or off ] Then all you'll have to do is use the down arrow or up! So just think of quick nav as using the arrows without having to hold the vo keys and quick nav helps some people on web sites! There is also a command to read the current sentence! vo+l hth Colin On 19 Jul 2011, at 20:28, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I got it to work, now here's another question, is there a way to read web pages line by line, like with JAWS in windows? sorry to keep comparing things, it's just the only way I know to explain what I want. Thanks loads! On 7/19/11, Red.Falcon velocity.focu...@virginmedia.com wrote: Hi all! Well in the vo commands help menu! Under tables! There are options to read different things! VO+c+c will read the column! VO+shift+t will read column and row numbers! And there are others, if you want to you can assign each one to one of the commanders either numpad,keyboard or even the track pad if you have one! And just one more thought are you navigating the table with quicknav! If you are you'll only have to hold the vo keys to read the row I think the up and down arrows will work on there own! hth Colin On 19 Jul 2011, at 19:43, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, two questions: Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? Chris. On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to put it in first to do this table navigation? I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. Thanks! On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move up or down. Let me know if you have any questions. Ryan Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Angie Giltinan John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32
