Re: question about a web site with Safari

2012-10-27 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi Teresa
Thanks for the information, and I'm a try to do what you said about resetting 
some things in Safari later. However, I discovered that Safari was downloading 
the file and sending it out to downloads as well as opening it. I didn't think 
it was saving it. So I ended up with a clean BRF file. So, now I can frustrate 
myself and study UVB. Hey, some of you may already know of course, but the 
stuff not near as straightforward as they told us it was in the website. 
Anyway, I'll go have some fun!!! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 27, 2012, at 12:17 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, Gigi,
 
 There are a few other things you can do as well. In Safari preferences, you 
 can uncheck the box that says open safe files after downloading, which is 
 in general preferences. This assumes you want to keep all downloaded files 
 from opening. On a case-by-case basis, you can use the contextual-menu method 
 by first interacting with the link, then pressing VO-shift-m.
 
 When you want to open a brf file, you can configure OS X to recognize brf 
 files. There are several ways to do this. The first is to go into the 
 contextual menu and choose open with, then in that submenu, choose other. 
 Choose your favorite text editor and then always use this application to 
 open this type of file. The other way is to press command-i for info on your 
 brf file and choose the default application from that dialog.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually what usually works for me is option-return, but I've never tried 
 fn-return; perhaps that also works.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 May the words of my mouth
 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
 (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
 
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Donovan Osborn donovan303...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hit Function key plus return.
 This works when you hit a link to aMP3 file and it will download the mp3 
 instead of opening and playing it. 
 Also when this happens you get no confirmation thats it has downloaded it, 
 you just have to look in your download folder.
 So it is worth a try.Try going to the link and instead of hitting return or 
 VO Space, 
 Sincerely,
 
 Donovan Osborn
 donovan303...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex.
 This is really weird, but I tried it twice just to make sure I had 
 followed what you said. I got it to work, but here is how. 
 
 First, I did what you said (the first time I left off the shift key.)) I 
 got the menu, but it said about saving frames. I saved one anyway to 
 Downloads. However, that file just saved out the links, etc. , no text of 
 the .brf file. When I called up the file I just saved, the link then 
 didn't ask about frames. It then asked about what you said, about 
 downloading files. When it saved out the file this time. it was saved with 
 a .brf.txt extension. It took off the .txt part, and it works fine in 
 TextEdit now. I forgot to say that I saved the first file I mentioned when 
 it talked about frames in downloads so I should be able, even if I have to 
 change the extensions to save the other files. I've never seen this happen 
 before, and I don' know if it would do the same in Windows or not. I may 
 have to let them know there is a problem. If anybody out there has 
 Windows, could you test it for me and let me know if this is just a Safari 
 thing or if maybe I could change how this web site is showing like 
 emulating Internet Explorer maybe. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Same deal on the mac: right click the link. Move to it in whatever way 
 you want, then bring up the context menu with vo-shift-m and choose 
 download file. Let us know if that does not work.
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys. 
 I'm not sure if I need to contact the web site host or what here, so I 
 thought I would run it past you guys first to see if I'm doing something 
 wrong or if I need another command I'm not using or don't know or 
 something. 
 
 I have several files that I would like to download from the Braille 
 Authority of North America web site. I figure I'm going to need to study 
 UEB, just great. Just what I need, another useless project for me. 
 Anyway, every time I go to the web site to download informational files, 
 the link gets activated it Safari opens the file, but I want to download 
 the file and not open it in Safari. I used to inWindows use the 
 Application key which most of the time downloaded the file. Did they set 
 up the web site wrong and I need to contact them or what other command 
 can I use so that I can save the files and send them to my braille 
 display as a brf file. The other thing is that Safari won't let me save 
 the file as a brf file. I changed the name and changed the extension, 
 but unfortunately, I can't 

question about a web site with Safari

2012-10-26 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi guys. 
I'm not sure if I need to contact the web site host or what here, so I thought 
I would run it past you guys first to see if I'm doing something wrong or if I 
need another command I'm not using or don't know or something. 

I have several files that I would like to download from the Braille Authority 
of North America web site. I figure I'm going to need to study UEB, just great. 
Just what I need, another useless project for me. Anyway, every time I go to 
the web site to download informational files, the link gets activated it Safari 
opens the file, but I want to download the file and not open it in Safari. I 
used to inWindows use the Application key which most of the time downloaded the 
file. Did they set up the web site wrong and I need to contact them or what 
other command can I use so that I can save the files and send them to my 
braille display as a brf file. The other thing is that Safari won't let me save 
the file as a brf file. I changed the name and changed the extension, but 
unfortunately, I can't get a good brf file this way. Sorry for the length of 
this post. 

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net


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Re: question about a web site with Safari

2012-10-26 Thread Alex Hall
Same deal on the mac: right click the link. Move to it in whatever way you 
want, then bring up the context menu with vo-shift-m and choose download file. 
Let us know if that does not work.
On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi guys. 
 I'm not sure if I need to contact the web site host or what here, so I 
 thought I would run it past you guys first to see if I'm doing something 
 wrong or if I need another command I'm not using or don't know or something. 
 
 I have several files that I would like to download from the Braille Authority 
 of North America web site. I figure I'm going to need to study UEB, just 
 great. Just what I need, another useless project for me. Anyway, every time I 
 go to the web site to download informational files, the link gets activated 
 it Safari opens the file, but I want to download the file and not open it in 
 Safari. I used to inWindows use the Application key which most of the time 
 downloaded the file. Did they set up the web site wrong and I need to contact 
 them or what other command can I use so that I can save the files and send 
 them to my braille display as a brf file. The other thing is that Safari 
 won't let me save the file as a brf file. I changed the name and changed the 
 extension, but unfortunately, I can't get a good brf file this way. Sorry for 
 the length of this post. 
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
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Re: question about a web site with Safari

2012-10-26 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi Alex.
This is really weird, but I tried it twice just to make sure I had followed 
what you said. I got it to work, but here is how. 

First, I did what you said (the first time I left off the shift key.)) I got 
the menu, but it said about saving frames. I saved one anyway to Downloads. 
However, that file just saved out the links, etc. , no text of the .brf file. 
When I called up the file I just saved, the link then didn't ask about frames. 
It then asked about what you said, about downloading files. When it saved out 
the file this time. it was saved with a .brf.txt extension. It took off the 
.txt part, and it works fine in TextEdit now. I forgot to say that I saved the 
first file I mentioned when it talked about frames in downloads so I should be 
able, even if I have to change the extensions to save the other files. I've 
never seen this happen before, and I don' know if it would do the same in 
Windows or not. I may have to let them know there is a problem. If anybody out 
there has Windows, could you test it for me and let me know if this is just a 
Safari thing or if maybe I could change how this web site is showing like 
emulating Internet Explorer maybe. 

Regards, 
Gigi

On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Same deal on the mac: right click the link. Move to it in whatever way you 
 want, then bring up the context menu with vo-shift-m and choose download 
 file. Let us know if that does not work.
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys. 
 I'm not sure if I need to contact the web site host or what here, so I 
 thought I would run it past you guys first to see if I'm doing something 
 wrong or if I need another command I'm not using or don't know or something. 
 
 I have several files that I would like to download from the Braille 
 Authority of North America web site. I figure I'm going to need to study 
 UEB, just great. Just what I need, another useless project for me. Anyway, 
 every time I go to the web site to download informational files, the link 
 gets activated it Safari opens the file, but I want to download the file and 
 not open it in Safari. I used to inWindows use the Application key which 
 most of the time downloaded the file. Did they set up the web site wrong and 
 I need to contact them or what other command can I use so that I can save 
 the files and send them to my braille display as a brf file. The other thing 
 is that Safari won't let me save the file as a brf file. I changed the name 
 and changed the extension, but unfortunately, I can't get a good brf file 
 this way. Sorry for the length of this post. 
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
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Re: question about a web site with Safari

2012-10-26 Thread Donovan Osborn
hit Function key plus return.
This works when you hit a link to aMP3 file and it will download the mp3 
instead of opening and playing it. 
Also when this happens you get no confirmation thats it has downloaded it, you 
just have to look in your download folder.
So it is worth a try.Try going to the link and instead of hitting return or VO 
Space, 
Sincerely,

Donovan Osborn
donovan303...@gmail.com



On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Alex.
 This is really weird, but I tried it twice just to make sure I had followed 
 what you said. I got it to work, but here is how. 
 
 First, I did what you said (the first time I left off the shift key.)) I got 
 the menu, but it said about saving frames. I saved one anyway to Downloads. 
 However, that file just saved out the links, etc. , no text of the .brf file. 
 When I called up the file I just saved, the link then didn't ask about 
 frames. It then asked about what you said, about downloading files. When it 
 saved out the file this time. it was saved with a .brf.txt extension. It took 
 off the .txt part, and it works fine in TextEdit now. I forgot to say that I 
 saved the first file I mentioned when it talked about frames in downloads so 
 I should be able, even if I have to change the extensions to save the other 
 files. I've never seen this happen before, and I don' know if it would do the 
 same in Windows or not. I may have to let them know there is a problem. If 
 anybody out there has Windows, could you test it for me and let me know if 
 this is just a Safari thing or if maybe I could change how this web site is 
 showing like emulating Internet Explorer maybe. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Same deal on the mac: right click the link. Move to it in whatever way you 
 want, then bring up the context menu with vo-shift-m and choose download 
 file. Let us know if that does not work.
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys. 
 I'm not sure if I need to contact the web site host or what here, so I 
 thought I would run it past you guys first to see if I'm doing something 
 wrong or if I need another command I'm not using or don't know or 
 something. 
 
 I have several files that I would like to download from the Braille 
 Authority of North America web site. I figure I'm going to need to study 
 UEB, just great. Just what I need, another useless project for me. Anyway, 
 every time I go to the web site to download informational files, the link 
 gets activated it Safari opens the file, but I want to download the file 
 and not open it in Safari. I used to inWindows use the Application key 
 which most of the time downloaded the file. Did they set up the web site 
 wrong and I need to contact them or what other command can I use so that I 
 can save the files and send them to my braille display as a brf file. The 
 other thing is that Safari won't let me save the file as a brf file. I 
 changed the name and changed the extension, but unfortunately, I can't get 
 a good brf file this way. Sorry for the length of this post. 
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
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Re: question about a web site with Safari

2012-10-26 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Actually what usually works for me is option-return, but I've never tried 
fn-return; perhaps that also works.

-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Donovan Osborn donovan303...@gmail.com wrote:

 hit Function key plus return.
 This works when you hit a link to aMP3 file and it will download the mp3 
 instead of opening and playing it. 
 Also when this happens you get no confirmation thats it has downloaded it, 
 you just have to look in your download folder.
 So it is worth a try.Try going to the link and instead of hitting return or 
 VO Space, 
 Sincerely,
 
 Donovan Osborn
 donovan303...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex.
 This is really weird, but I tried it twice just to make sure I had followed 
 what you said. I got it to work, but here is how. 
 
 First, I did what you said (the first time I left off the shift key.)) I got 
 the menu, but it said about saving frames. I saved one anyway to Downloads. 
 However, that file just saved out the links, etc. , no text of the .brf 
 file. When I called up the file I just saved, the link then didn't ask about 
 frames. It then asked about what you said, about downloading files. When it 
 saved out the file this time. it was saved with a .brf.txt extension. It 
 took off the .txt part, and it works fine in TextEdit now. I forgot to say 
 that I saved the first file I mentioned when it talked about frames in 
 downloads so I should be able, even if I have to change the extensions to 
 save the other files. I've never seen this happen before, and I don' know if 
 it would do the same in Windows or not. I may have to let them know there is 
 a problem. If anybody out there has Windows, could you test it for me and 
 let me know if this is just a Safari thing or if maybe I could change how 
 this web site is showing like emulating Internet Explorer maybe. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Same deal on the mac: right click the link. Move to it in whatever way you 
 want, then bring up the context menu with vo-shift-m and choose download 
 file. Let us know if that does not work.
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys. 
 I'm not sure if I need to contact the web site host or what here, so I 
 thought I would run it past you guys first to see if I'm doing something 
 wrong or if I need another command I'm not using or don't know or 
 something. 
 
 I have several files that I would like to download from the Braille 
 Authority of North America web site. I figure I'm going to need to study 
 UEB, just great. Just what I need, another useless project for me. Anyway, 
 every time I go to the web site to download informational files, the link 
 gets activated it Safari opens the file, but I want to download the file 
 and not open it in Safari. I used to inWindows use the Application key 
 which most of the time downloaded the file. Did they set up the web site 
 wrong and I need to contact them or what other command can I use so that I 
 can save the files and send them to my braille display as a brf file. The 
 other thing is that Safari won't let me save the file as a brf file. I 
 changed the name and changed the extension, but unfortunately, I can't get 
 a good brf file this way. Sorry for the length of this post. 
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
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Re: question about a web site with Safari

2012-10-26 Thread Donovan Osborn
You might be right.Now I am not so sure if it was Function Return or Option 
return.
Function Return is the Enter key on the iMacks laptop style keyboard.
And on the Mac Return and Enter are not necessarily the same from what I 
understand.
So I apologize if I got the modifier key mixed up, I would try both just to be 
thorough.

Sincerely,

Donovan Osborn
donovan303...@gmail.com



On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually what usually works for me is option-return, but I've never tried 
 fn-return; perhaps that also works.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 May the words of my mouth
 and the meditation of my heart
 be acceptable to You, Lord,
 my rock and my Redeemer.
 (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
 
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Donovan Osborn donovan303...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hit Function key plus return.
 This works when you hit a link to aMP3 file and it will download the mp3 
 instead of opening and playing it. 
 Also when this happens you get no confirmation thats it has downloaded it, 
 you just have to look in your download folder.
 So it is worth a try.Try going to the link and instead of hitting return or 
 VO Space, 
 Sincerely,
 
 Donovan Osborn
 donovan303...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Alex.
 This is really weird, but I tried it twice just to make sure I had followed 
 what you said. I got it to work, but here is how. 
 
 First, I did what you said (the first time I left off the shift key.)) I 
 got the menu, but it said about saving frames. I saved one anyway to 
 Downloads. However, that file just saved out the links, etc. , no text of 
 the .brf file. When I called up the file I just saved, the link then didn't 
 ask about frames. It then asked about what you said, about downloading 
 files. When it saved out the file this time. it was saved with a .brf.txt 
 extension. It took off the .txt part, and it works fine in TextEdit now. I 
 forgot to say that I saved the first file I mentioned when it talked about 
 frames in downloads so I should be able, even if I have to change the 
 extensions to save the other files. I've never seen this happen before, and 
 I don' know if it would do the same in Windows or not. I may have to let 
 them know there is a problem. If anybody out there has Windows, could you 
 test it for me and let me know if this is just a Safari thing or if maybe I 
 could change how this web site is showing like emulating Internet Explorer 
 maybe. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi
 
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Same deal on the mac: right click the link. Move to it in whatever way you 
 want, then bring up the context menu with vo-shift-m and choose download 
 file. Let us know if that does not work.
 On Oct 26, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys. 
 I'm not sure if I need to contact the web site host or what here, so I 
 thought I would run it past you guys first to see if I'm doing something 
 wrong or if I need another command I'm not using or don't know or 
 something. 
 
 I have several files that I would like to download from the Braille 
 Authority of North America web site. I figure I'm going to need to study 
 UEB, just great. Just what I need, another useless project for me. 
 Anyway, every time I go to the web site to download informational files, 
 the link gets activated it Safari opens the file, but I want to download 
 the file and not open it in Safari. I used to inWindows use the 
 Application key which most of the time downloaded the file. Did they set 
 up the web site wrong and I need to contact them or what other command 
 can I use so that I can save the files and send them to my braille 
 display as a brf file. The other thing is that Safari won't let me save 
 the file as a brf file. I changed the name and changed the extension, but 
 unfortunately, I can't get a good brf file this way. Sorry for the length 
 of this post. 
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
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