Re: Slow boot up?
It is, to be recommended, to do a clean install. Then set up Voice Over to your preferences. Install all apps you like and set them up to your preferences. Then do a clone. Maybe one clone after setting up Voice Over so you do not have to do this more times if one app or something creates any mess. Then do a one more clone later. Its up to you to decide when you want to start and end how many clones you may need, just think of when or what you definitely do not want to install again. If you do this work one time and have a final clone when finished, you will have a perfect system at your hand on a external hard drive. If you do a clone of your system right now, you also do a clone of a system with errors. Take care 26. mars 2014 kl. 18:30 skrev Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com: Hi, Doing the Repair Disk Permissions is also advised. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:56 AM, chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to reply to my own message; I re-read your note. I only did it twice. Will try 4 times then. Regards Chris Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof! On 26 Mar 2014, at 10:13, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: To reset the PRAM, shut down your computer, then hold down Command, Option, P and R and then press the Power key. Keep the four keys held down until you've heard the start up chime four times. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Slow boot up?
Hello Chris, Have you reset the PRAM and repaired permissions? It isn't usually necessary to reinstall a system unless something drastic has happened. Cheers, Anne On 26 Mar 2014, at 08:45, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all my Macbook Pro 2012 model running Os X 10.9.2 is slow booting up. Once booted all is well. I'm thinking of doing a clean install as never done one since owning this mac nearly two years ago. So should I go ahead and do this? My processor is Core I5 and memory is 4 GB. Any responses greatly appreciated. Thanks! Regards Chris Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Slow boot up?
Please Can you remind me, resetting the pram is command-p-r? Thanks! Regards Chris Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof! On 26 Mar 2014, at 08:17, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Chris, Have you reset the PRAM and repaired permissions? It isn't usually necessary to reinstall a system unless something drastic has happened. Cheers, Anne On 26 Mar 2014, at 08:45, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all my Macbook Pro 2012 model running Os X 10.9.2 is slow booting up. Once booted all is well. I'm thinking of doing a clean install as never done one since owning this mac nearly two years ago. So should I go ahead and do this? My processor is Core I5 and memory is 4 GB. Any responses greatly appreciated. Thanks! Regards Chris Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Slow boot up?
To reset the PRAM, shut down your computer, then hold down Command, Option, P and R and then press the Power key. Keep the four keys held down until you've heard the start up chime four times. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Slow boot up?
Hi all An update; I reset the Pram, don't think it made a difference, has just done a clone using SuperDuper. At some point I will boot from the clone, format this disc and restore from the clone. Does this sound a good idea? Regards Chris Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof! On 26 Mar 2014, at 10:13, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: To reset the PRAM, shut down your computer, then hold down Command, Option, P and R and then press the Power key. Keep the four keys held down until you've heard the start up chime four times. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Slow boot up?
Sorry to reply to my own message; I re-read your note. I only did it twice. Will try 4 times then. Regards Chris Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof! On 26 Mar 2014, at 10:13, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: To reset the PRAM, shut down your computer, then hold down Command, Option, P and R and then press the Power key. Keep the four keys held down until you've heard the start up chime four times. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Slow boot up?
Hi, Doing the Repair Disk Permissions is also advised. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:56 AM, chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to reply to my own message; I re-read your note. I only did it twice. Will try 4 times then. Regards Chris Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof! On 26 Mar 2014, at 10:13, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: To reset the PRAM, shut down your computer, then hold down Command, Option, P and R and then press the Power key. Keep the four keys held down until you've heard the start up chime four times. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
the recent update seems to have made both boot time and general responsiveness better for me. My computer was very frustrating to use since upgrading to Lion and now it's fine. Much less of the busy message overall. Joel On 2/6/2012 9:42 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I've reported that issue several times to apple. They're aware of it, and are working on a fix, at last response from the support people. Things like this take time, however, so don't expect it to be fixed tomorrow. Now keep in mind, I also experienced and still am experiencing what you guys are talking about, but it's honestly no reason to shoot down the OS, for something that they're obviously trying to fix, even if it takes them a bit longer than we'd like to pinpoint what's causing the issue. Another thing you have to keep in mind, Lions minimum system requirements state 2GB of ram and a 2.0GHZ dual core processor is the bear least you can get away with and run Lion, but with some slowness. Ram can have a factor in boot times, as well as hard drive speed (5400 as opposed to 7200 RPM), so be aware of that fact as well. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hello. I, too, experience incredibly slow boot times with lion. I'm using a 2011 Macbook Pro 724LLA or whatever that model number is, and I'm guessing your estimate of 1 minute 43 seconds is about the same for my boot time. More annoying for me than the slow boot time, though, is that under lion, VO startup is hit and miss at best. When lion first came out, it always got stuck in come window called com.doc.apple.extra. That got fixed, only to be replaced by the fact that if VO starts talking by itself at all, I'm stuck in a window called speech synthesis server. In all the time I've run lion, it's never landed me on the desktop the way snowy kitty always does, and more often than not, I have to press command-tab before VO says anything at all. So, to make a long story short, it isn't just you, and like you, I've tried everything I can think of to solve the problem, but nothing seems to make a difference. It seems that my ancient 80 GB external drive which I still use to boot into Snow Leopard when necessary runs faster than Lion, and that's just wrong. So, like you, I'm wondering if there's any point in reporting this to apple, or if it's something that taking my macbook to an apple store might fix. I've just learned to live with it, but it's very strange, especially since Snow Leopard boots so much faster and always reliably starts on the desktop. If you ever find a way to speed up lion's boot time, please share as I'd love to get this issue resolved somehow. Thanks! Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 minute and 43 seconds. I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc. Just wondering if this might be worth sending in a bug report to Apple or calling Apple Care on this issue. Let me know what you think. Thanks and have a great evening, Matthew Campbell and the slowpoke Mac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com
Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
Due to my newness to the mac, I can't compare with prior versions of OS X but one observation I do concur with is the lack of focus to the desktop when VO is started. I found a work-around for that one though and I never suffer that one anymore. I added at least one item to my list of items to launch at login. I do this in the user settings under system preferences. In my case, I added the terminal app in there because I like to use terminal from time to time so I figured it a good choice. Now whenever I login, I just press command+f5 to start VO (this is due to me not having a monitor connected) VO starts up every time and focuses me right to the desktop. Oh, I have the checkbox for terminal set to hide otherwise I think terminal would grab the focus. I thought the boot time to be a bit lengthy byt a lot of windows systems are slower than that. I've only seen the busy stuff once in a while; wasn't sure what the cause of that was. I see that a lot with Mail and IMAP implementations and I figured that was caused by fetching a new message every time you move up and down the message list. On 2/7/12, Joel Zimba zimbameis...@gmail.com wrote: the recent update seems to have made both boot time and general responsiveness better for me. My computer was very frustrating to use since upgrading to Lion and now it's fine. Much less of the busy message overall. Joel On 2/6/2012 9:42 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I've reported that issue several times to apple. They're aware of it, and are working on a fix, at last response from the support people. Things like this take time, however, so don't expect it to be fixed tomorrow. Now keep in mind, I also experienced and still am experiencing what you guys are talking about, but it's honestly no reason to shoot down the OS, for something that they're obviously trying to fix, even if it takes them a bit longer than we'd like to pinpoint what's causing the issue. Another thing you have to keep in mind, Lions minimum system requirements state 2GB of ram and a 2.0GHZ dual core processor is the bear least you can get away with and run Lion, but with some slowness. Ram can have a factor in boot times, as well as hard drive speed (5400 as opposed to 7200 RPM), so be aware of that fact as well. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hello. I, too, experience incredibly slow boot times with lion. I'm using a 2011 Macbook Pro 724LLA or whatever that model number is, and I'm guessing your estimate of 1 minute 43 seconds is about the same for my boot time. More annoying for me than the slow boot time, though, is that under lion, VO startup is hit and miss at best. When lion first came out, it always got stuck in come window called com.doc.apple.extra. That got fixed, only to be replaced by the fact that if VO starts talking by itself at all, I'm stuck in a window called speech synthesis server. In all the time I've run lion, it's never landed me on the desktop the way snowy kitty always does, and more often than not, I have to press command-tab before VO says anything at all. So, to make a long story short, it isn't just you, and like you, I've tried everything I can think of to solve the problem, but nothing seems to make a difference. It seems that my ancient 80 GB external drive which I still use to boot into Snow Leopard when necessary runs faster than Lion, and that's just wrong. So, like you, I'm wondering if there's any point in reporting this to apple, or if it's something that taking my macbook to an apple store might fix. I've just learned to live with it, but it's very strange, especially since Snow Leopard boots so much faster and always reliably starts on the desktop. If you ever find a way to speed up lion's boot time, please share as I'd love to get this issue resolved somehow. Thanks! Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 minute and 43 seconds. I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc
RE: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
Hi! Thanks for this intriguing suggestion. Unfortunately, I can't think of anything else I'd want to run at startup apart from whatever already has to: dropbox and audio hijack scheduler. I guess I can look for something, though if it really might help. On the other side of the coin, I wonder if there's something running at startup that doesn't have to. I'm still too new to mac to do much playing, but it seems to me that an awful lot of things run, but I don't have the sense to know which of them are important, and which it might be safe to delete. I went through my startup options and told all of them to be hidden, thinking that might help, but no, VO still is in the speech synthesis server window, if it starts automatically at all. Since 10.7.3, I've had to command-tab out of seemingly nothing before it will even start. I have light and color perception, and am not noticing anything popping up on the screen, which makes this problem even more mysterious. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:52 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Due to my newness to the mac, I can't compare with prior versions of OS X but one observation I do concur with is the lack of focus to the desktop when VO is started. I found a work-around for that one though and I never suffer that one anymore. I added at least one item to my list of items to launch at login. I do this in the user settings under system preferences. In my case, I added the terminal app in there because I like to use terminal from time to time so I figured it a good choice. Now whenever I login, I just press command+f5 to start VO (this is due to me not having a monitor connected) VO starts up every time and focuses me right to the desktop. Oh, I have the checkbox for terminal set to hide otherwise I think terminal would grab the focus. I thought the boot time to be a bit lengthy byt a lot of windows systems are slower than that. I've only seen the busy stuff once in a while; wasn't sure what the cause of that was. I see that a lot with Mail and IMAP implementations and I figured that was caused by fetching a new message every time you move up and down the message list. On 2/7/12, Joel Zimba zimbameis...@gmail.com wrote: the recent update seems to have made both boot time and general responsiveness better for me. My computer was very frustrating to use since upgrading to Lion and now it's fine. Much less of the busy message overall. Joel On 2/6/2012 9:42 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I've reported that issue several times to apple. They're aware of it, and are working on a fix, at last response from the support people. Things like this take time, however, so don't expect it to be fixed tomorrow. Now keep in mind, I also experienced and still am experiencing what you guys are talking about, but it's honestly no reason to shoot down the OS, for something that they're obviously trying to fix, even if it takes them a bit longer than we'd like to pinpoint what's causing the issue. Another thing you have to keep in mind, Lions minimum system requirements state 2GB of ram and a 2.0GHZ dual core processor is the bear least you can get away with and run Lion, but with some slowness. Ram can have a factor in boot times, as well as hard drive speed (5400 as opposed to 7200 RPM), so be aware of that fact as well. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hello. I, too, experience incredibly slow boot times with lion. I'm using a 2011 Macbook Pro 724LLA or whatever that model number is, and I'm guessing your estimate of 1 minute 43 seconds is about the same for my boot time. More annoying for me than the slow boot time, though, is that under lion, VO startup is hit and miss at best. When lion first came out, it always got stuck in come window called com.doc.apple.extra. That got fixed, only to be replaced by the fact that if VO starts talking by itself at all, I'm stuck in a window called speech synthesis server. In all the time I've run lion, it's never landed me on the desktop the way snowy kitty always does, and more often than not, I have to press command-tab before VO says anything at all. So, to make a long story short, it isn't just you, and like you, I've tried everything I can think of to solve the problem, but nothing seems to make a difference. It seems that my ancient 80 GB external drive which I still use to boot into Snow Leopard when necessary runs faster than Lion, and that's just wrong. So, like you, I'm wondering if there's any point in reporting this to apple
Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
I never got stuck in any speech synthesis window; have no idea what that even is. Oh, you have a couple things in the startup list? Humm, I would think that should work then. I would like to add dropbox but didn't find anything in the app store for it. Do I have to get that directly from Dropbox? Actually, I wonder if whatever it is that enables my desktop to properly focus has to be some actual app that has a focus of its own. I think before I added terminal to mine, I had iTunes Helper and it was also hidden but still had the focus issues. It was after I added terminal to the list that my focus issue cleared up. You might ask, how did I discover that? Well, while dealing with Apple tech support concerning why VO wouldn't startup on my mac mini, someone suggested to add VoiceOver Utility to that startup list. Well, that improved the focus situation but not the auto starting of VO. Since then, I removed the VO utility as I can invoke that at any time I need it with VO+F8 and I want quick easy access to the terminal. So as far as I got, things are stable for me and all I do right now is if I login anew, I press command+f5 and VO starts talking for me without further interaction on my part. Sorry I can't help you with your additional problems. On 2/7/12, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote: Hi! Thanks for this intriguing suggestion. Unfortunately, I can't think of anything else I'd want to run at startup apart from whatever already has to: dropbox and audio hijack scheduler. I guess I can look for something, though if it really might help. On the other side of the coin, I wonder if there's something running at startup that doesn't have to. I'm still too new to mac to do much playing, but it seems to me that an awful lot of things run, but I don't have the sense to know which of them are important, and which it might be safe to delete. I went through my startup options and told all of them to be hidden, thinking that might help, but no, VO still is in the speech synthesis server window, if it starts automatically at all. Since 10.7.3, I've had to command-tab out of seemingly nothing before it will even start. I have light and color perception, and am not noticing anything popping up on the screen, which makes this problem even more mysterious. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:52 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Due to my newness to the mac, I can't compare with prior versions of OS X but one observation I do concur with is the lack of focus to the desktop when VO is started. I found a work-around for that one though and I never suffer that one anymore. I added at least one item to my list of items to launch at login. I do this in the user settings under system preferences. In my case, I added the terminal app in there because I like to use terminal from time to time so I figured it a good choice. Now whenever I login, I just press command+f5 to start VO (this is due to me not having a monitor connected) VO starts up every time and focuses me right to the desktop. Oh, I have the checkbox for terminal set to hide otherwise I think terminal would grab the focus. I thought the boot time to be a bit lengthy byt a lot of windows systems are slower than that. I've only seen the busy stuff once in a while; wasn't sure what the cause of that was. I see that a lot with Mail and IMAP implementations and I figured that was caused by fetching a new message every time you move up and down the message list. On 2/7/12, Joel Zimba zimbameis...@gmail.com wrote: the recent update seems to have made both boot time and general responsiveness better for me. My computer was very frustrating to use since upgrading to Lion and now it's fine. Much less of the busy message overall. Joel On 2/6/2012 9:42 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: Hi, I've reported that issue several times to apple. They're aware of it, and are working on a fix, at last response from the support people. Things like this take time, however, so don't expect it to be fixed tomorrow. Now keep in mind, I also experienced and still am experiencing what you guys are talking about, but it's honestly no reason to shoot down the OS, for something that they're obviously trying to fix, even if it takes them a bit longer than we'd like to pinpoint what's causing the issue. Another thing you have to keep in mind, Lions minimum system requirements state 2GB of ram and a 2.0GHZ dual core processor is the bear least you can get away with and run Lion, but with some slowness. Ram can have a factor in boot times, as well as hard drive speed (5400 as opposed to 7200 RPM), so be aware of that fact as well. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries
Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
Well, Mat, truth to tell, I too have noticed this. You and I appear to have taken almost exactly the same measures. There are others on this list who have, unless memory deserts me, also indicated this issue. They indicated that even a fresh installation does not seem to solve this. My guess is this. IF you report this to Apple, you will most likely get a canned message advising you that they cannot tell when new features will be implemented. OF course, you and I and others here know perfectly well that we're not talking about a new feature here. Should you decide to report this, and receive back an answer, let us know? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 minute and 43 seconds. I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc. Just wondering if this might be worth sending in a bug report to Apple or calling Apple Care on this issue. Let me know what you think. Thanks and have a great evening, Matthew Campbell and the slowpoke Mac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
Hi ray and matt,I to have experienced this issue. Matt Sent from my macbook pro On 2012-02-06, at 8:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Well, Mat, truth to tell, I too have noticed this. You and I appear to have taken almost exactly the same measures. There are others on this list who have, unless memory deserts me, also indicated this issue. They indicated that even a fresh installation does not seem to solve this. My guess is this. IF you report this to Apple, you will most likely get a canned message advising you that they cannot tell when new features will be implemented. OF course, you and I and others here know perfectly well that we're not talking about a new feature here. Should you decide to report this, and receive back an answer, let us know? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:32 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 minute and 43 seconds. I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc. Just wondering if this might be worth sending in a bug report to Apple or calling Apple Care on this issue. Let me know what you think. Thanks and have a great evening, Matthew Campbell and the slowpoke Mac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
Hello. I, too, experience incredibly slow boot times with lion. I'm using a 2011 Macbook Pro 724LLA or whatever that model number is, and I'm guessing your estimate of 1 minute 43 seconds is about the same for my boot time. More annoying for me than the slow boot time, though, is that under lion, VO startup is hit and miss at best. When lion first came out, it always got stuck in come window called com.doc.apple.extra. That got fixed, only to be replaced by the fact that if VO starts talking by itself at all, I'm stuck in a window called speech synthesis server. In all the time I've run lion, it's never landed me on the desktop the way snowy kitty always does, and more often than not, I have to press command-tab before VO says anything at all. So, to make a long story short, it isn't just you, and like you, I've tried everything I can think of to solve the problem, but nothing seems to make a difference. It seems that my ancient 80 GB external drive which I still use to boot into Snow Leopard when necessary runs faster than Lion, and that's just wrong. So, like you, I'm wondering if there's any point in reporting this to apple, or if it's something that taking my macbook to an apple store might fix. I've just learned to live with it, but it's very strange, especially since Snow Leopard boots so much faster and always reliably starts on the desktop. If you ever find a way to speed up lion's boot time, please share as I'd love to get this issue resolved somehow. Thanks! Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 minute and 43 seconds. I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc. Just wondering if this might be worth sending in a bug report to Apple or calling Apple Care on this issue. Let me know what you think. Thanks and have a great evening, Matthew Campbell and the slowpoke Mac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
Hi, I've reported that issue several times to apple. They're aware of it, and are working on a fix, at last response from the support people. Things like this take time, however, so don't expect it to be fixed tomorrow. Now keep in mind, I also experienced and still am experiencing what you guys are talking about, but it's honestly no reason to shoot down the OS, for something that they're obviously trying to fix, even if it takes them a bit longer than we'd like to pinpoint what's causing the issue. Another thing you have to keep in mind, Lions minimum system requirements state 2GB of ram and a 2.0GHZ dual core processor is the bear least you can get away with and run Lion, but with some slowness. Ram can have a factor in boot times, as well as hard drive speed (5400 as opposed to 7200 RPM), so be aware of that fact as well. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hello. I, too, experience incredibly slow boot times with lion. I'm using a 2011 Macbook Pro 724LLA or whatever that model number is, and I'm guessing your estimate of 1 minute 43 seconds is about the same for my boot time. More annoying for me than the slow boot time, though, is that under lion, VO startup is hit and miss at best. When lion first came out, it always got stuck in come window called com.doc.apple.extra. That got fixed, only to be replaced by the fact that if VO starts talking by itself at all, I'm stuck in a window called speech synthesis server. In all the time I've run lion, it's never landed me on the desktop the way snowy kitty always does, and more often than not, I have to press command-tab before VO says anything at all. So, to make a long story short, it isn't just you, and like you, I've tried everything I can think of to solve the problem, but nothing seems to make a difference. It seems that my ancient 80 GB external drive which I still use to boot into Snow Leopard when necessary runs faster than Lion, and that's just wrong. So, like you, I'm wondering if there's any point in reporting this to apple, or if it's something that taking my macbook to an apple store might fix. I've just learned to live with it, but it's very strange, especially since Snow Leopard boots so much faster and always reliably starts on the desktop. If you ever find a way to speed up lion's boot time, please share as I'd love to get this issue resolved somehow. Thanks! Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 minute and 43 seconds. I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc. Just wondering if this might be worth sending in a bug report to Apple or calling Apple Care on this issue. Let me know what you think. Thanks and have a great evening, Matthew Campbell and the slowpoke Mac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
I am having the same issue Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've reported that issue several times to apple. They're aware of it, and are working on a fix, at last response from the support people. Things like this take time, however, so don't expect it to be fixed tomorrow. Now keep in mind, I also experienced and still am experiencing what you guys are talking about, but it's honestly no reason to shoot down the OS, for something that they're obviously trying to fix, even if it takes them a bit longer than we'd like to pinpoint what's causing the issue. Another thing you have to keep in mind, Lions minimum system requirements state 2GB of ram and a 2.0GHZ dual core processor is the bear least you can get away with and run Lion, but with some slowness. Ram can have a factor in boot times, as well as hard drive speed (5400 as opposed to 7200 RPM), so be aware of that fact as well. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hello. I, too, experience incredibly slow boot times with lion. I'm using a 2011 Macbook Pro 724LLA or whatever that model number is, and I'm guessing your estimate of 1 minute 43 seconds is about the same for my boot time. More annoying for me than the slow boot time, though, is that under lion, VO startup is hit and miss at best. When lion first came out, it always got stuck in come window called com.doc.apple.extra. That got fixed, only to be replaced by the fact that if VO starts talking by itself at all, I'm stuck in a window called speech synthesis server. In all the time I've run lion, it's never landed me on the desktop the way snowy kitty always does, and more often than not, I have to press command-tab before VO says anything at all. So, to make a long story short, it isn't just you, and like you, I've tried everything I can think of to solve the problem, but nothing seems to make a difference. It seems that my ancient 80 GB external drive which I still use to boot into Snow Leopard when necessary runs faster than Lion, and that's just wrong. So, like you, I'm wondering if there's any point in reporting this to apple, or if it's something that taking my macbook to an apple store might fix. I've just learned to live with it, but it's very strange, especially since Snow Leopard boots so much faster and always reliably starts on the desktop. If you ever find a way to speed up lion's boot time, please share as I'd love to get this issue resolved somehow. Thanks! Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Campbell Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 minute and 43 seconds. I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc. Just wondering if this might be worth sending in a bug report to Apple or calling Apple Care on this issue. Let me know what you think. Thanks and have a great evening, Matthew Campbell and the slowpoke Mac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received
Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
Did you also change the setting in System Preferences general pane to remember all open windows in an application? Having said this, I have also noticed slower boot times with Lion. Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 minute and 43 seconds. I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc. Just wondering if this might be worth sending in a bug report to Apple or calling Apple Care on this issue. Let me know what you think. Thanks and have a great evening, Matthew Campbell and the slowpoke Mac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted.
I believe that I have the setting to remember all windows and applcations unchecked. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Feb 7, 2012, at 12:24 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Did you also change the setting in System Preferences general pane to remember all open windows in an application? Having said this, I have also noticed slower boot times with Lion. Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 minute and 43 seconds. I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc. Just wondering if this might be worth sending in a bug report to Apple or calling Apple Care on this issue. Let me know what you think. Thanks and have a great evening, Matthew Campbell and the slowpoke Mac. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
the slow boot
Soren: I had a minor crash and lost the info on the program to delete under preferences/accounts. Could you please repost it. Thank you. Carolyn CH:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: the slow boot
Hi. Go into your system preferences, select yur account and see if you can find the tab called login items and delete wat you don't want there. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ Den Apr 28, 2010 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Carolyn: Soren: I had a minor crash and lost the info on the program to delete under preferences/accounts. Could you please repost it. Thank you. Carolyn CH:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email tomacvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
