Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Gary
use the web item rotor and press b for buttons.

On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
>  
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Mike Arrigo
Last I checked, firefox doesn't work at all. You can press VO command j to move 
t the next control, this will move you through all controls though, not just 
buttons.
On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
>  
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
> 
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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Scott Granados
How difficult is it to code an application to work effectively with VO?  I'm 
wondering what the mozilla hold up is?  Does it mean just compiling in some 
libraries or is there a great deal of work that has to take place?

Thanks
Scott

On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> The reason Firefox will not work with Voice OVer is because Mozilla has not 
> coded it for that yet.  
> 
>   As for form fields, VO+command+j will get you directly both to form 
> fields and form controls, as will the web item wroter.  I knew exactly what 
> you really meant, and, VO+Option+j will move you quickly to each form field, 
> button or control.  The web item roter is another way to get to all the same 
> entry fields, buttons, pull down pop up buttons controls and all other types 
> of form manipulations.  Just try it.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
> 
> Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. Just as 
> a matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is it Apple side 
> of things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you miss understood what 
> I ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the buttons on web pages. So for 
> example when you go to google.com and I'm sorry to mention windows on this 
> list forgive me if its off topic but its the only way to explain what I am 
> wanting to do. Well useing Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the 
> google page jaws at least says "google search" followed by the word button to 
> indecate what it is. I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. 
> Many Thanks for the VO J command I'll give it a try when I next use a Mac. 
> The web item roter is the command for this VO Plus the letter U? Like I said 
> all these ramdom keystrokes I have learnt from memory and am putting them 
> into practice when I use the Mac at college. Also can this item roter  
> display the buttons that are currently on a page?
> Thanks
> Daniel 
> 
> From: Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac
> 
> No Firefox with Voice Over.
> 
> Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another 
> way to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
> 
> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
>  
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Chantel Cuddemi
Daniel, 
As previously mentioned, firefox is inaccessible with voiceover at this time. 
To get to a button, you can hit vo i for the item chooser and hit bu for button 
or you can hit vo function j to go between forms on the page. 
On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
> 
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
> 
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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Ray Foret Jr
The reason Firefox will not work with Voice OVer is because Mozilla has not 
coded it for that yet.  

As for form fields, VO+command+j will get you directly both to form 
fields and form controls, as will the web item wroter.  I knew exactly what you 
really meant, and, VO+Option+j will move you quickly to each form field, button 
or control.  The web item roter is another way to get to all the same entry 
fields, buttons, pull down pop up buttons controls and all other types of form 
manipulations.  Just try it.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Sep 15, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. Just as a 
matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is it Apple side of 
things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you miss understood what I 
ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the buttons on web pages. So for example 
when you go to google.com and I'm sorry to mention windows on this list forgive 
me if its off topic but its the only way to explain what I am wanting to do. 
Well useing Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the google page jaws at 
least says "google search" followed by the word button to indecate what it is. 
I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. Many Thanks for the VO 
J command I'll give it a try when I next use a Mac. The web item roter is the 
command for this VO Plus the letter U? Like I said all these ramdom keystrokes 
I have learnt from memory and am putting them into practice when I use the Mac 
at college. Also can this item roter  display the buttons that are currently on 
a page?
Thanks
Daniel 

From: Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

No Firefox with Voice Over.

Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another way 
to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
 
1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to the 
Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from what I 
heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply but I 
don't know if that's the case still.
and 
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an account 
for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom of the 
page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is there a 
voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for getting 
to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. I'm 
getting there people! lol 
Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks 
Daniel  

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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Chris Blouch
 If you search this mailing list's archives you'll see multiple large 
threads on this topic. Last I heard it came down to Firefox wanting 
Apple to change their accessibility API to align more with what FF has 
already implemented for other platforms. Apple has not been interested. 
There is also some funding questions where companies have sponsored 
accessibility work for Firefox on other platforms (IBM in particular) 
but nobody has done this for the Mac yet, or at least not significantly.


CB

On 9/15/10 4:45 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. 
Just as a matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is 
it Apple side of things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you 
miss understood what I ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the 
buttons on web pages. So for example when you go to google.com and I'm 
sorry to mention windows on this list forgive me if its off topic but 
its the only way to explain what I am wanting to do. Well useing 
Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the google page jaws at 
least says "google search" followed by the word button to indecate 
what it is. I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. 
Many Thanks for the VO J command I'll give it a try when I next use a 
Mac. The web item roter is the command for this VO Plus the letter U? 
Like I said all these ramdom keystrokes I have learnt from memory and 
am putting them into practice when I use the Mac at college. Also can 
this item roter  display the buttons that are currently on a page?

Thanks
Daniel

*From:* Ray Foret Jr <mailto:rfore...@comcast.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>

*Subject:* Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

No Firefox with Voice Over.

Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j. 
 Another way to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form 
fields.



Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to 
the point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I 
ask thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all 
getting use to the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted 
were using  and from what I heard before when I was on this list  is 
that it doesn't work proaply but I don't know if that's the case still.

and
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the 
bottom of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but 
my question is there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on 
a webpage? I have learned/memorised the heading one but I would like 
to know the one for getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask 
this list to help me out. I'm getting there people! lol

Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks
Daniel

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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Teresa Cochran
Actually you can move between controls on a webpage with VO-command-J and 
between headings with VO-command-H. There's L for links and f for frames, as 
well.

Teresa
On Sep 15, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. Just as 
> a matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is it Apple side 
> of things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you miss understood what 
> I ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the buttons on web pages. So for 
> example when you go to google.com and I'm sorry to mention windows on this 
> list forgive me if its off topic but its the only way to explain what I am 
> wanting to do. Well useing Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the 
> google page jaws at least says "google search" followed by the word button to 
> indecate what it is. I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. 
> Many Thanks for the VO J command I'll give it a try when I next use a Mac. 
> The web item roter is the command for this VO Plus the letter U? Like I said 
> all these ramdom keystrokes I have learnt from memory and am putting them 
> into practice when I use the Mac at college. Also can this item roter  
> display the buttons that are currently on a page?
> Thanks
> Daniel 
> 
> From: Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac
> 
> No Firefox with Voice Over.
> 
> Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another 
> way to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
> 
> hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
>  
> 1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
> point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
> thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to 
> the Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from 
> what I heard before when I was on this list  is that  it doesn't work proaply 
> but I don't know if that's the case still.
> and 
> 2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an 
> account for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom 
> of the page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is 
> there a voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
> learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for 
> getting to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. 
> I'm getting there people! lol 
> Look forward for your responcives!
> Thanks 
> Daniel  
> 
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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Daniel McGee
Hello Ray, thanks for your comments. I will continue to use  safari. Just as a 
matter of interest why doesn't firefox support Voiceover? Is it Apple side of 
things or Mozilla. And my second question I think you miss understood what I 
ment. I didn't mean form fields I ment the buttons on web pages. So for example 
when you go to google.com and I'm sorry to mention windows on this list forgive 
me if its off topic but its the only way to explain what I am wanting to do. 
Well useing Jaws or NVDA when you hit the letter b on the google page jaws at 
least says "google search" followed by the word button to indecate what it is. 
I hope I have made it more clear now as to what I want. Many Thanks for the VO 
J command I'll give it a try when I next use a Mac. The web item roter is the 
command for this VO Plus the letter U? Like I said all these ramdom keystrokes 
I have learnt from memory and am putting them into practice when I use the Mac 
at college. Also can this item roter  display the buttons that are currently on 
a page? 
Thanks 
Daniel 


From: Ray Foret Jr 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 8:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac


No Firefox with Voice Over. 


Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another way 
to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.




Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
barefootedray 


On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:


hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.

1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to the 
Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from what I 
heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply but I 
don't know if that's the case still.
and 
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an account 
for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom of the 
page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is there a 
voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for getting 
to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. I'm 
getting there people! lol 
Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks 
Daniel  


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Re: two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Ray Foret Jr
No Firefox with Voice Over.

Now, to get from one form control to another right away, use VO+j.  Another way 
to do it is to use the web item roter and select for form fields.


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On Sep 15, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.
 
1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to the 
Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from what I 
heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply but I 
don't know if that's the case still.
and 
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an account 
for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom of the 
page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is there a 
voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for getting 
to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. I'm 
getting there people! lol 
Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks 
Daniel  

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two internet questions with voiceover on a Mac

2010-09-15 Thread Daniel McGee
hi everyone I have two questions about the internet on a Mac.

1. With Voiceover, is it possable to use firefox or to be even more to the 
point can firefox work with voiceover if not then even a little? I ask 
thisbecause today when I went to my college and we were all getting use to the 
Mac's my teacher mentioned firefox that the sighted were using  and from what I 
heard before when I was on this list  is that it doesn't work proaply but I 
don't know if that's the case still.
and 
2. When I was filling out a form today which was a registration for an account 
for the college my support worker said there's a button at the bottom of the 
page that we needed to get to. So we VO right to it but my question is there a 
voiceover command to get to buttons directly on a webpage? I have 
learned/memorised the heading one but I would like to know the one for getting 
to buttons just a thought that I would ask this list to help me out. I'm 
getting there people! lol 
Look forward for your responcives!
Thanks 
Daniel  

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