Re: using iCloud on new iPhone 7

[Kliphton Miller]

This is probably triggered by 2 factor authentication, not 2 step barification. 
 Do you still have your old device?  That’s probably where it sent it.  Or what 
about your iCloud security code?  One of these may work.  Otherwise you may 
have to log in to iCloud on your mac, and disable it and then set it up again 
when finished proving it on your new phone.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just got a notification on my phone that to continue using iCloud on it, I 
> need to either confirm a notification that was supposedly sent to another 
> device, or enter the iCloud security code.  I see no notification on my Mac, 
> so how do I get the security code?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: unable to answer security questions in iCloud

[Kliphton Miller]

You can request to reset them.  It will send you a link to your email address 
to click on and change your questions and or answers.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to delete my old phone from my iCloud devices.  In order to do 
> this, I have to answer the two security questions.  I know exactly what the 
> answers are, but there's something about how I wrote my answers that I'm not 
> getting right.  Does anyone know what I can do?  It's now told me I've made 
> too many attempts to answer the questions.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

I have only tried a few, and non of them have crashed yet.  And I don’t use on 
now.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Brandon A. Olivares <thepianist2...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Okay, now some channels are working for me. But others immediately crash the 
> app. And I can’t use “On Now” at all.
> 
> Are you having the same issue?
> 
> Brandon
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It was doing that to me yesterday, working for me as we speak.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Brandon A. Olivares <thepianist2...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, but the moment I go to Guide, it closes the app. Have you updated the 
>>> app lately? I’m thinking it’s due to the latest version.
>>> 
>>> Brandon
>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>>>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>>>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
>>>> feed.  There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need 
>>>> to find them I can.
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago.  
>>>>> Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
>>>>> and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
>>>>> it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
>>>>> at all about the accessibility side of it.
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>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>>>>> <thepianist2...@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>>>>> AppleTV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing 
>>>>> for me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just 
>>>>> takes me back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brandonthe
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

I have been using slingTV for about 3 months now, and it just started doing 
this to me yesterday.  At first I thought it was because I was using a BT 
keyboard, but now that you say it, I don’t know.  Looks like a email or phone 
call is in order.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 10:14 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
> AppleTV.
> 
> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
> 
> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
> 
> Brandonthe 
> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

I know the programing, and if you let voiceover read the info about the show, 
it will tell you what network it is on.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Brandon A. Olivares <thepianist2...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> How do you figure out which number is which channel?
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
>> your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
>> how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for 
>> me anyway.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
>>> counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  
>>> LOL! Better you than me.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" <kliph...@icloud.com>
>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
>>> feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to 
>>> find them I can.
>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
>>>> Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
>>>> and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
>>>> it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
>>>> at all about the accessibility side of it.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>>>> <thepianist2...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>>>> AppleTV.
>>>> 
>>>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>>>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>>>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>>>> 
>>>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>>>> 
>>>> Brandonthe
>>>> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

your choice, but since I am a court cutter, I don’t have the option to 
switching on my cable box.  If it weren’t for my daughter working for comcast, 
I would miss out on a lot.  But since she does, I get pretty much everything a 
cable subscriber gets, for half the cost.  I pay 40 bucks a month for sling, 
and nothing for HBO, show time, stars, or the network channel apps like ESPN, 
TLC, discovery, and a few others that all have live channels.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew McKay <awmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about accessibility 
> of the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, whether I can find 
> a way or not.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
> your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
> how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for me 
> anyway.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on counting 
>> unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  LOL! 
>> Better you than me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" <kliph...@icloud.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. 
>> There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find 
>> them I can.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. Totally 
>>> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
>>> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
>>> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
>>> the accessibility side of it.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>>> <thepianist2...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>>> AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>>> 
>>> Brandonthe
>>> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

No, sling box is more of a DVR access from home service, slingTV is owned by 
dish network.  2 totally different services.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
> 
> Are these the same folks from sling media who make the sling box?  I have a 
> contact there if it is I’ll be happy to raise hell if we’re being treated 
> that badly.
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Andrew McKay <awmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It is a principle to me, the company has been very rude about accessibility 
>> of the SLING TV apps.  Therefore, I will not support them, whether I can 
>> find a way or not.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 3:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
>> your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or 
>> how many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for 
>> me anyway.
>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on 
>>> counting unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  
>>> LOL! Better you than me.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" <kliph...@icloud.com>
>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to 
>>> the guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i 
>>> like, for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live 
>>> feed. There are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to 
>>> find them I can.
>>>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. 
>>>> Totally inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, 
>>>> and they basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do 
>>>> it for me. The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care 
>>>> at all about the accessibility side of it.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>>>> <thepianist2...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>>>> AppleTV.
>>>> 
>>>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>>>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>>>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>>>> 
>>>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>>>> 
>>>> Brandonthe
>>>> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to the 
guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i like, 
for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed.  There 
are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find them I can.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago.  Totally 
> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
> the accessibility side of it.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> i...@gillandmarketing.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
> 
> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
> AppleTV.
> 
> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
> 
> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
> 
> Brandonthe
> 
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Re: SlingTV on AppleTV

[Kliphton Miller]

Wow, it really doesn’t take much time.  Especially when you use the app for 
your every day programing, it’s just like remembering things in school, or how 
many steps it takes to get to your mail box.  2nd nature, at least for me 
anyway.
> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> See, to me that's not accessible, and I don't have time to waist on counting 
> unreadable items.  If that's your thing, then, more power to ya.  LOL! Better 
> you than me.
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> - Original Message - From: "Kliphton Miller" <kliph...@icloud.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: SlingTV on AppleTV
> 
> 
> It works for me, I mean if you want to do a little exploring.  I go in to the 
> guide app, where all the channels are listed, remember what channels i like, 
> for example, USA is 19 of 67, I go there, and can watch the live feed. There 
> are other channels, but I wrote them in a note so if I need to find them I 
> can.
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Good freaking luck.  I tried using the app about 3 or 4 months ago. Totally 
>> inaccessible both on iOS, and on TVOS.  I called their support, and they 
>> basically told me, if it didn't work, get someone sighted to do it for me. 
>> The impression I got was that they really didn't seem to care at all about 
>> the accessibility side of it.
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>> - Original Message - From: "Brandon A. Olivares" 
>> <thepianist2...@gmail.com>
>> To: "“Mac Visionaries“" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:14 AM
>> Subject: SlingTV on AppleTV
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I saw a podcast on Applevis a while back that demonstrated SlingTV on the 
>> AppleTV.
>> 
>> However, I just downloaded the SlingTV app, and the app keeps crashing for 
>> me. Every time I try to go to either “On Now” or “guide”, it just takes me 
>> back to the home screen of AppleTV.
>> 
>> Is anyone else able to successfully use this app?
>> 
>> Brandonthe
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verizon wireless sucks!

[Kliphton Miller]

So, best buy, sams club, and even target had verizon iPhone 7
s still available today.  But they wouldn’t let me just buy it, said I had to 
be a customer.  I guess T-mobile stopped partnering with the 3 companies 
mentioned above, cause non of them offered t mobile service.  Sucks too, cause 
I had the cash to drop on there counter and they wouldn’t take it.  Guess I 
gotta roll the dice with the apple store.

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OS X coming tuesday

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Haven’t seen this posted yet, but the full build of the mac OS X os is coming 
tuesday.

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Dictation and speech with Sierra?

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Hello, on El Capitan and before, in system preferences there was a dictation 
and speech section.  This allowed us to choose a  voice that was system wide, 
or for various things like the time.  It seems that this has been removed.  Is 
there a different area where this can be done, or has it just been removed.

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Re: Kind a weird problem with ICloud contacts

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I thought command s was the command to save on the mac?

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, this is a little bit perplexing.
>  
> I have ICloud set up on all of my iOS devices, all of which are running iOS 
> 10.  All of them have contact syncing enabled.  Further, I have contact 
> syncing enabled on all of my macs.  All of them are on the exact same wifi 
> network, and all of them are signed into the exact same ICloud account.
>  
> On my mac, when I open the contacts app, I then hit command+N to add a new 
> contact.  In Sierra, at least, I'm told that the currwent card is in "All 
> ICloud," which makes complete sense.  On a sidenote entirely, did Voiceover 
> used to say that in El Capitan? I don't remember it doing so.  Anyway, 
> getting back to the problem, I get the tontact's info filled out, stop 
> interacting with the scroll area, hit VO+Space on the Add button, which then 
> turns to an Edit button.  I then quit Contacts with Command+Q.
>  
> Now, If I go over to my iPad, or my iPhone, or one of my other macs, and I 
> look in contacts, I don't see the contact showing up.
>  
> I wondered if somehow I was putting the contacts only locally on the mac, not 
> in ICloud, but that isn't the case.  Looking on the mac side, it appears that 
> the contact is indeed going into All ICloud.  So, what in the blessid world 
> is going on here!  I really don't get this.  Before anyone says, and, you're 
> absolutely sure you're signed in and syncing contacts on all devices... yes.  
> I am.  Trust me.  I looked.  Where did you look.  Well, on iOS, I went 
> settings>ICloud.  Under there, I see Contacts: On.  and it shows my Apple ID 
> on that screen correctly.  Have I rebooted the devices?  Yes, I have.  Many 
> times.  How about the mac?  Yes.  Again, many times.  On the mac, I'm going 
> to system prefs, ICloud, then am looking in the services table, and contacts 
> is definitely checked.  Yes, I tried on all devices turning contacts off and 
> back on to refresh.  Upon turning contacts back on, I was asked what to do 
> with existing contacts, and I said merge.
>  
> I'm confident that the contacts are not showing up on iOS, as Siri can't find 
> them, and when I look manually in the Contacts app, I move the table index to 
> the correct letter, then flick down through the contact list, and they are 
> not showing up.
>  
> I even not only turned contacts off and back on to refresh things, I even 
> signed completely out of ICloud, and then back in on all devices.  No good.  
> So yeah... What on earth!
>  
> Chris.
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Trusted apps?

[Kliphton Miller]

Okay, before in security settings we had 3 choices for installing apps.  App 
Store, App Store and trusted developers, or anywhere.  The anywhere option is 
gone, and now I can’t install VLC.  Is there a fix for this?

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Re: Trusted apps?

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That did the trick. I forgot about that command.
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 3:33 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
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> Kliph,
> 
> Oops, that should be VO-shift-m as Chris H mentioned.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:21, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
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> Kliph,
> 
> Where does it stop you?  When you try to open the installer, or somewhere 
> during the installation process.  If the former, you used to be able to press 
> VO-shift-space to bring up the Contextual menu then choose Open from there 
> and it would allow the installer to proceed.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 13:15, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay, before in security settings we had 3 choices for installing apps.  App 
> Store, App Store and trusted developers, or anywhere.  The anywhere option is 
> gone, and now I can’t install VLC.  Is there a fix for this?
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how to create a bootable installer for os 10 12

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http://www.redmondpie.com/make-macos-sierra-10.12-bootable-usb-flash-drive-installer-here’s-how-tutorial/

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Re: A very important lesson that I have learnt today re Apple.

[Kliphton Miller]

Scott, how much is the apple watch series 2, and is it in stores now?
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Kawal, they announced yesterday on US TV anyway that all the + models were 
> sold out in the preorder.  That’s amazing to me.  Even the apple stores had 
> the 6S+ last year when it came out.  It’s hard for me to believe the 7 is 
> this big of a hit.
> 
> I’ve already had one call from a friend offering me double for my phone.
> 
> My stock portfolio though is happy with Apple at 5 month highs.:)
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I went to the Apple store today expecting to come home with an I phone 7 
>> Plus 256 and an new Apple watch series 2.
>> 
>> I got to the store and there was a queue of people standing outside.  So the 
>> person who was helping me got me to a member of staff as I left my cane at 
>> home silly me.
>> 
>> I asked if I could buy the 7 Plus 256 and Apple watch.  He said there were 
>> no phones left but I could go inside and buy the watch.  Went in there and 
>> the watch that I wanted was not even in stock.  I had rang Apple recently to 
>> ask if I should reserve the phone and watch but I was told that I should 
>> walk in and just buy the products on the day.
>> 
>> So now I am home without the things that I wanted.  However the person in 
>> the Apple store was able to preorder everything for me in one order which I 
>> would have not been able to do on the Apple app.
>> 
>> Just can’t believe it that at 12 30 there was nothing left in any store.  No 
>> reservations could be made until six a.m. tomorrow and it was not guaranteed 
>> that there would be a phone there.  So all I can say wow.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are ok and keeping your heads down

[Kliphton Miller]

Hey Ricardo, it’s been a while.  Good to see you alive and kicking.  Email me 
off list so we can face time audio or text.
> On Sep 19, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I think its hard to gage a president while still in office. Often, the things 
> they do or don’t do aren’t noticeable for years after they’ve left the post.
> 
> In Obama’s case, I would hardly say he took over with every thing smelling 
> like roses. lol. Like in the case of George W. Bush, 9-11 landed in his lap, 
> and he didn’t have the hype of the dot come boom to dease him a long like 
> Clinton did.
> 
> In short, I think Presidents are often judged way too harshly, or put on too 
> high a pedestal, like Reagan in my opinion. lol.
> 
> In my opinion, the best or worse a president  can do is keep us in or out of 
> war, depending on the situation. Every thing else, especially domestically? 
> Has to do with which side of the isle is running congress at the time, and 
> how obstructionist, or helpful they are in pushing through the presidents 
> agenda.
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Jimmy Carter absolutely sucked as a president.  He had one one of the 
>> highest inflation periods, completely screwed up the middle east and is a 
>> much better former president than president.  Only Obama is worse at this 
>> point.  He did a lot of good (carter that is) though post presidency with 
>> things like habitat for humanity.
>> 
>> Hillary is a criminal, liar and a gun grabbing fraud.  At least people will 
>> work under trump and we’ll get out of this imbalanced trade situation.  I 
>> like none of the major candidates to be clear I was hoping for Gary Johnson 
>> but Hillary and her ilk are the same mindset as the jack asses in England 
>> who wanted to subjugate the british people to the will of the Germans.  And 
>> we won’t talk about the uranium that Hillary stole from America and gave to 
>> Russia do to foundation donations and or the sale of political and 
>> government positions through the same foundation.  No thank you.
>> 
>> We’re screwed either way, I think that’s the only way to look at it.  I 
>> would just rather the clintons not get rich over the screw job any more.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Andy  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey, of course he will go on another wild rant because he actually doesn't 
>>> want the job!
>>> 
>>> That is what most of us over here believe.
>>> 
>>> So what are you left with?  Hilary?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As a blind Scottish guy I don't really know or understand much about 
>>> American politics, but I really did like Jimmy Carter!  I Know I still like 
>>> him if he's still doing all that voluntary work.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As for Donald:  Give up an empire to become the president of the USA.  
>>> Don't think so.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very best wishes and kind regards
>>> Andy Logue.
>>> From Scotland with love.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "E.T." 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are 
>>> ok and keeping your heads down
>>> 
>>> 
 Don't let Donald Trump hear about this for he will surely go on
 another wild rant.
 
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 On 9/19/2016 9:11 AM, Andy wrote:
> well done the Police department.
> 
> They have already got one guy.  I bet he is the only one.
> 
> Yet another terrible incident  hurting ordinary people, but it didn't
> take long to grab him.
> 
> Well done again the NYC Police department.
> 
> 
> Very best wishes and kind regards
> Andy Logue.
> From Scotland with love.
> 
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> To: "MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via" 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 4:28 PM
> Subject: Off topic but i hope you folks in New York and New Jersey are
> ok and keeping your heads down
> 
> 
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>> a dicy situation there.  Hope you all stay safe and they catch
>> everyone involved quickly, seems so at this point.  Good luck there
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Moving favorites to the favorites bar, was Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Kliphton Miller]

The way favorites are added has not used vo period or vo coma for some time.  
The way to move mailboxes to your favorites.
1.  Highlight the mailbox you want to move
2. Do the mouse down command.  Vo command shift space bar.
3. Stop interacting with the mailbox list, go to favorites, and interact with 
it.
4. Place the mailbox on the 1 you want it right before, and then do the mouse 
up command.  Vo command, shift space bar.
Repeat this, until your mailboxes are the way you want them.  HTH
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> On Sep 22, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> While shift tab may not be working why not make your life easier. This is in 
> standard mail with the preview pane closed. All you need to do is VO j and 
> you can go directly from the message column to your mailbox column and vice 
> versa. Pretty simple. As far as moving mailboxes to your favorites, this is 
> hit and miss as I did it with VO comma and VO period, but could not rearrange 
> the order of my favorites. Good luck.
>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Gerry Cook > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark and Grant I was able to get an accessibility adviser from apple 
>> to confirm not being able to shift tab in apple, mail.  He’s taken a ticket 
>> up to engineering. Thanks. 
>> cheers gerry have a nice day
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>> Skype: gerry.cook1 
>> Twitter: @gerrycook52
>> 
>>> On 22 Sep. 2016, at 5:12 pm, M. Taylor >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Grant,
>>> 
>>> I can confirm the first item in your list said item being 
>>> "1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
>>> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
>>> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes 
>>> table."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> First, I encourage you to send your findings to Apple.
>>> 
>>> Second, let me say that this bug was first reported to Apple back in June 
>>> so they are definitely aware of it.  
>>> 
>>> Third, in my setup, using the Standard View with a Preview Pane showing and 
>>> the Favorites Bar hidden, a quick workaround is to Shift-tab until focus 
>>> lands on an item, not expected, then simply tap the tab key and focus will 
>>> land on the Mailboxes table.  
>>> 
>>> For example, when on the Message List Table, execute key-combo Shift+Tab.  
>>> This, of course, should take focus back to the left landing on the 
>>> MailBoxes Table.  However, in my setup, Focus is taken to the Search edit 
>>> field.  I simply hit the Tab key and focus moves to the right, landing on 
>>> the Mailboxes Table.  In the current build of the application, I must use 1 
>>> additional key tap to land on the Mailboxes table as compared to El Capitan.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Grant
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:29 PM
>>> To: MacVisionaries List
>>> Subject: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
>>> 
>>> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the 
>>> tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you 
>>> need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
>>> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
>>> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change 
>>> the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse 
>>> button locking” method that used to work.
>>> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar 
>>> now appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in 
>>> behaviour” than a bug.
>>> 
>>> Would love to hear your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Grant
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favorites no longer needed to by pass do not disturb

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, I was going threw old and new settings, to find out what was new or 
hidden, instead of buying a book, or asking someone else to figure it out for 
me.  So, if you are editing a contact, and you do either the ring tone, or the 
text tone, there is a dialog that pops up when you go to select the sound, that 
says “emergency by pass”  If you check it, then when do not disturb is on, 
there calls or text will come threw.
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favorites no longer needed to by pass do not disturb

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Well, I was going threw old and new settings, to find out what was new or 
hidden, instead of buying a book, or asking someone else to figure it out for 
me.  So, if you are editing a contact, and you do either the ring tone, or the 
text tone, there is a dialog that pops up when you go to select the sound, that 
says “emergency by pass”  If you check it, then when do not disturb is on, 
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Re: Signatures again.

[Kliphton Miller]

John, I have noticed that when I do signatures on 1 system, it removes them on 
another.  Meaning, it won’t stay on both at the same time.  You have a fix for 
this?
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:41 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>I’d have to check to see if mail signatures are supposed to actually sync 
> over. For some reason, I recall having to do them myself again on each 
> system. You might want to uncheck Mail and recheck it again on the Mini in 
> System Prefs in iCloud settings.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes it did John.
>> 
>> I was so happy with the fresh install as there were no hitches.  I just 
>> found the Macmini a bit slow than my powerful I Mac as it has half the 
>> memory being a 16 rather than the 32 ram.  `Now it feels as if it's come 
>> from the factory.  So much better than windows.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 25 Sep 2016, at 01:28, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>Did everything else sync over onto the Mini from iCloud?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> 
 On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 I did create a new one John and put it in I cloud but even though my Mac 
 Mini is on the same network it can't find it.
 
 Kawal.
> On 25 Sep 2016, at 00:21, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>Does the popup give you the option for the signature. What you might 
> want to do is create a new signature and just copy and paste the text 
> from the original to the new one.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > > wrote:
>> 
>> It's set to none.  I want it set to my name.  That is the problem, how 
>> can I get it set to my Signature in In I Cloud?  I want to drag my 
>> signature to the pop up box but I don't know how.
>>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 23:59, John Panarese >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> In Mail preferences, when you are looking at the iCloud signature, 
>>> there is a popup button all the way to the right. This will set the 
>>> signature as the default one. Is that set?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 24, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu > wrote:
 
 Hi John.
 
 What I'd like to do is if I have an I phone, Mac or Mac Mini and 
 because I'm using the same ID for all, because I have composed my 
 signature in my mail I Cloud account, regardless of whether I'm 
 sending from an Alias or my main e-mail, I can select the same 
 signature that I might have written regardless of what device I'm 
 using.  Just like if I had composed an I message on my phone, and then 
 finished the same on my Mac.  Do you understand what I'm saying?  I 
 want a globabl signature that will work any where despite what device 
 you are composing from.  May be the same as the universal copy 

Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[Kliphton Miller]

Why not just use favorites?  That way you can use 1 threw 0 respectively to go 
to your desired mail boxes.
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hello Kawal,
> 
> The bug is that you cannot locate the mailboxes table while navigating 
> through the window with Shift-Tab. If you’re using the Tab key, you’ll be 
> able to see it without any problem. Again, this only applies to MacOS Sierra.
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Saturday September 24, 2016, at 4:18:36 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I can't find the bvug that people are talking about in Mail as I have no 
>> problem locating the Mailboxes table at the left of messages.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 24 Sep 2016, at 22:40, Agent086b >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I use the jump command VO + J. This jumps from either mailboxes to messages 
>>> or the other way back.
>>> Max.
 On 25 Sep. 2016, at 3:07 am, John Panarese > wrote:
 
Thank you. That’s a great, easy solution.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
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 Tel, (631) 724-4479
 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
 
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 AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
 
 MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
 
 
 
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 1:05 PM, gs  > wrote:
> 
> Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and 
> then tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab 
> so much.
> 
> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant  > wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:
> 
> 1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in 
> the tab order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list 
> you need to tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes 
> table.
> 2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
> VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
> 3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t 
> change the contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via 
> the “mouse button locking” method that used to work.
> 4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar 
> now appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in 
> behaviour” than a bug.
> 
> Would love to hear your thoughts.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Grant
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Re: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

[Kliphton Miller]

I do use it once in a while, but command W closes it just fine.

On Oct 26, 2016, at 1:04 PM, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:

I used escape all the time for all the same purposes on mac OS as on windows: 
closing menus and dialogs, canceling actions...

Now that I'm completely mobile and have no use for a pc style system, I think 
I'm just as glad.  I mean, if you're just going to turn powerful and bulky 
desktop hardware into a mobile software driven system, why not just leverage 
the increasing power of mobile?

Best,

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> On October 26, 2016 12:41:14 PM Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Honestly, who uses an escape key anyway.  I was just sitting here thinking, 
> and I couldn't think of 1 thing I actually use the escape key for.  Windows 
> yes, but not on OSX.  JMO
> 
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> On Oct 26, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm starting to lose faith in apple,
> 
> These things sound like going to far,
> 
> But then hey, I had no issues with the headphone jack going...
> Guess this is a wait and see situation.
> 
> I just want a quad core processor in my mac book air and `32gig ram with 1tb 
> ssd
> 
> I'll be happy even with a 13 inch device and those specs.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
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> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks
> 
> I just saw an article talking about how you can re-map and existing key, such 
> as control, caps lock, command or option, to take the place of the escape key 
> which is going away on the new MacBooks to be revealed on Thursday. There 
> will still be that functionality on the new magic track bar or whatever 
> they're calling it. But if you are a person who wants to have a hardware 
> escape key, you will have to remap an existing key to get it. For those of 
> you who use caps lock for voiceover, good luck. I have no idea how that Mike 
> coexist with this new functionality. Or you're stuck with the new magic track 
> bar and it's soft functionality. Could be interesting.
> Mary
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Re: iPhone 7+ blows away the new Google Pixel XL in a real world application test and fails at memory management test

[Kliphton Miller]

I love that feature to Scott.  I have it do it for about 5 sites.
Redmondpie.com
IDownLoadBlog.com
Macrumors.com
9to5Mac.com
I just wish it was available on the phone.  I think iDownLoadBlog has a app, 
but it's a bit clunky at best.


On Oct 26, 2016, at 11:41 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

OK, thanks. Regarding your notifications for certain sites, are you doing out 
on your Mac or on your phone? And how are you doing it I mean, by RSS or they 
have apps or what? If that's too far off topic, feel free to reply off list.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well I did post that article but this one is considered a more representative 
> and real world test.  I think the idea is to put the phones under load and 
> see which handles things the best.  Memory management is probably a bigger 
> deal but it’s interesting and a few sites, redmondpie being one felt this 
> test was a more accurate representation.
> 
> As a side note, I like redmondpie because they have a very cool notification 
> feature which automatically pops up articles I’m interested in right in the 
> notification center.  I have a few sites set up this way and it’s not a bad 
> way to get news aggregated.
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> OK. Weren't you the one who posted a side by side video in the very recent 
>> past showing an iPhone against a pixel, gaming and web browsing and I forget 
>> the other thing. And the guy who did the test went back and checked on apps 
>> that were still in memory and when they open or not? And they did. So I'm 
>> not sure why they would open in that case and not in this one. I'm also not 
>> sure why you want to have a wrap at opening of lots of apps. Is that really 
>> real world? Who does that in the real world? I think the memory management 
>> thing is interesting and important. I just don't know about this rapid 
>> opening of apps thing.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting article that shows the difference between the iPhone 7+ and the 
>>> Pixel XL in application tests and memory management tests.  The iPhone 
>>> blows away the pixel by more than a minute and a half at the real world 
>>> application test and fails managing the Pixel’s XL 4GB of memory.  This 
>>> shows there’s something clearly wrong with Android or with the pixel, the 
>>> author is unsure.  Read more here and see the video.
>>> 
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Re: router setup

[Kliphton Miller]

I'm waiting for a new time capsule.  I got the 2012 version as a gift and it 
has never failed me.  I stay connected to it for up to 1000 feet, and it is 
upstairs in a back corner.

Kliph
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On Oct 26, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Tim to go even more recent, the Apple Extreme still placed in the top 10 
routers on PC Mag this year I believe.  It’s an older AC 1300 design but still 
holds it’s own against many newer models.  It’s not the most feature packed 
router in the world but as a basic router it’s fine and as an access point it’s 
really hard to beat with out spending twice the money.

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'll chime in quickly here with some actual data, albeit dated.  I recall 
> some tests over 10 years ago where a number of these devices were tested 
> against the Airport Extreme, and the Extreme won in pretty well all 
> categories.  Being that it was over 10 years ago,, things have changed 
> considerably.  I did, though find this comparison from a couple of years ago 
> that you may find interesting.
> 
> https://www.tekrevue.com/802-11ac-routers-compared-apple-belkin-netgear-linksys/
> 
> Note that there are always factors that can impact performance of any WiFi 
> Access Point such as proximity of the base station to a wall, other 
> electronic interference close by the base station,, lots of network clutter 
> with other broadcasters close by.  There are usually either configurable or 
> built-in filters to assist with the clutter aspect, but, how well they work 
> is a good question.
> 
> Needless to say, at least from this comparison, the Extreme had the best 
> performance.  Again, this is a few years old, so there is likely some great 
> performing competition that may narrow the gap.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 25, 2016, at 17:52, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott and all, thanks for the router suggestions! I didn't even
> think about a web interface. I've heard really good things about the
> Netgear Nighthawk series, maybe I'll give one a try!
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> You might have smaller Wireless players or local players, I wouldn’t bother
>> with DSL either, that’s last century’s technology.
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 5:47 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Its been stable for some time, my email client used to complain quite
>>> often. Then recently, it appeared my Charter email account was not
>>> behaving reliably. Will have to see how this merger goes.
>>> 
>>>  Interesting that my iCloud and gMail accounts worked fine.
>>> 
>>>  I have no other options here except perhaps DSL and I am not going to
>>> bother with that since I turned off landline a long time ago.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 10/25/2016 2:39 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 I was a charter cable member for all of one month because the service was
 substandard.  I had the 125 meg down 25 up and the network seemed
 congested to me.  Maybe with the merger things will improve.
 
> On Oct 25, 2016, at 5:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Charter now Spectrum. Standard Internet, think the slowest which still
> to me is overpriced.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 10/25/2016 2:35 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> What type of service do you have off hand?
>> 
>> Which provider?
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2016, at 5:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok yes makes sense. But then if I run a test from my provider it might
>>> look good while its actually on the low end of the speed dial so I may
>>> be a skeptic here. I think I will leave myself in the dark, what I do
>>> not know cannot hurt me.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 10/25/2016 2:29 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 You know things like that are hit and miss.  You’re testing the whole
 network between you and the speed test server rather than the speed
 of any specific link so you might get some idea but it depends on
 network conditions and any number of things.
 
 If you used Comcast for example you might want to use their speed
 test which may be a better indicator but it may give you a rough
 idea.
 
 Thanks
 
> On Oct 25, 2016, at 5:27 PM, E.T. 
> wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> Is Speedtest.com a reliable way to measure performance? I am happy
> with the Netgear router but am curious to know 

Re: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

[Kliphton Miller]

You can use the VO keys to get out of pop ups.  And most people don't like 
change, so they want to whine and cry about it until it happens.  Especially 
about there purchases at the app store.  But the bottom line is, you can't 
change it, and you will buy it any way.  So hog wash across the board!

On Oct 27, 2016, at 4:36 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Crazy yeah,

I'm not missing the headphone jack, I still think they could do the adaptor for 
the other side of things, so I can plug my lightening headphoens inn to my mac 
book air...

As for the missing headphones on my 7+ can't say I've noticed, just gotta make 
sure I have the adaptor with me incase I need it.

Must get a couple of extras to make sure I'm caught  short.

If I really need an escape key then I'll plug in my usb keyboard or connect to 
the bt keyboard.

Problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2016 10:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

Don’t worry Simon, we all think the worst and then Apple shows us the best.  
How many people were worried and dare I say even tried to create a panic storm 
over the lack of headphone jack which is a total non issue now, the virtual 
home button. Let’s go back, how many blindness lists had claims of the watch 
not having voice over and so on and so forth.

I don’t see that MacBook air design ever hitting the market only because 
there’s not enough room in that form factor as well as a way to dissipate the 
heat.  You think the air can run warm, try a quad core MacBook 15 inch with all 
that extra metal for a heatsink.  Besides, they want to sell you a MacBook pro 
if you need that kind of horsepower for an extra 2000.:)

Frankly, I just want something I can implant on my brain that gives me google 
available 24/7 directly wired to my brain so I have all the resources of the 
planet available at a thought rather than having to type or speak.  For that 
matter, how nice would it be to just download language packs or skills.  (Want 
to learn Calculous, pay your $100 and boom, you’re doing derivatives.)

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I'm starting to lose faith in apple,
> 
> These things sound like going to far,
> 
> But then hey, I had no issues with the headphone jack going...
> Guess this is a wait and see situation.
> 
> I just want a quad core processor in my mac book air and `32gig ram with 1tb 
> ssd 
> 
> I'll be happy even with a 13 inch device and those specs.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2016 1:45 PM
> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
> Subject: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks
> 
> I just saw an article talking about how you can re-map and existing key, such 
> as control, caps lock, command or option, to take the place of the escape key 
> which is going away on the new MacBooks to be revealed on Thursday. There 
> will still be that functionality on the new magic track bar or whatever 
> they're calling it. But if you are a person who wants to have a hardware 
> escape key, you will have to remap an existing key to get it. For those of 
> you who use caps lock for voiceover, good luck. I have no idea how that Mike 
> coexist with this new functionality. Or you're stuck with the new magic track 
> bar and it's soft functionality. Could be interesting.
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: This is Apple’s new OLED MacBook Pro

[Kliphton Miller]

They basically put a track pad with multi functions above the keys.  Think I 
will pass on the touch bar model, just go with the 12 inch macbook.

Kliph
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On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

This doesn’t really excite me as much as I thought.

Things I like are definitely the touch ID, I’ll have to try the touch bar to 
see if I like it, smaller and thinner is good but does this mean hotter as 
well, it’s already hot, and I wish we had more processing boost.  I also don’t 
like that for premium graphics now on the pro I have to pay extra.  If I pick a 
15 inch model the extra powerful graphics should be included, not $100 extra.  
Having 2 TB of storage is nice but not worth $800 more considering how much 
less expensive high end flash storage is on the 3rd party market.  And why why 
why, only 16 GB?  Give me a 32 option, I will pay more for that more willingly 
than for extra graphics power.  For the price of the storage I’ll just build my 
own flash based NAS and store my files on the network.  I don’t feel I need to 
run right out and replace my MacBook mid 2015 that’s 2.8 turbo boost to 4.0 ghz 
quad core powered anyway.  Why not give me an 8 core option?

Apple, you need to start doing better, push the boundaries more and innovate 
more.  This incremental stuff is the game of lesser players.
 


> On Oct 27, 2016, at 1:44 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/27/this-is-apples-new-oled-macbook-pro/
> 
> This is Apple’s new OLED MacBook Pro
> 
> 
> 
> “The Mac is more than a product to us. It’s a testament to everything we do 
> and create at Apple,” said Apple CEO Tim Cook at today’s “Hello again” Mac 
> keynote presentation as he unveiled long-expected updates to Mac notebooks. 
> The new MacBook Pro has, as rumored, has an OLED touch bar replacing the row 
> of function keys whose function changes from one app to another, called Touch 
> Bar.
> 
> It comes in 13 and 15-inch flavors and Silver and Space Gray finishes, has 2x 
> larger trackpad with ForceTouch haptic feedback, faster Intel chips and more.
> 
> The 13-inch MacBook Pro weighs in at three pounds, almost half a pound 
> lighter than the previous generation. It’s also seventeen percent thinner and 
> has 25 percent less volume than its predecessor.
> 
> 
> 
> The 15-incher weighs in at 4 pounds, is fourteen percent thinner and has 
> twenty percent less volume. Both machines have a second-generation Touch ID 
> with sapphire crystal protection integrated into the Power button. With a 
> fingerprint scan, customers can authenticate Apple Pay purchases and 
> authorize apps, like on the iPhone.
> 
> s
> 
> 
> 
> By the way, this week mark’s 25th anniversary of Apple’s first notebook, the 
> PowerBook, which defined the modern notebook with a matrix-dot display, 
> keyboard-forward design creating a room for a trackpad and other features. 
> 
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Re: The escape key now at present.

[Kliphton Miller]

I made this statement when the touch bar was first mentioned and it was stated 
the escape key was going away, and I was accused of saying thing s just 
because.  Now you want to make my point but take credit for it.  Funny, real 
funny.  Everything being said in this thread is what I said from jump street.  
Lol

Kliph
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On Oct 29, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Good point. I'd forgotten that works in menus. To be completely honest with ya, 
I don't use Command+Period very much, so it feels a bit awquard. I'd be willing 
to try getting used to it though, if it meant doing so; I have an open mind.
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From: Brandt Steenkamp
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: The escape key now at present.

No, but command period willful sure.

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> On 29 Oct 2016, at 11:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I dont' think command+W will close out of a menu bar though, will it?
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Brandt Steenkamp
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: The escape key now at present.
>> 
>> Command W will do the same thing on the Mac.  I almost never use the escape 
>> key. The closest I  get to it, is command period.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
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>> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Chris.
>>> 
>>> I wrote that in the early hours of the morning at the time.
>>> 
>>> What I was trying to say was if you are in a message or an open document, 
>>> if there is something that you don't like, pressing the escape key does 
>>> nothing.  Let's say if you use windows, and you wanted to get out an e-mail 
>>> message that you were composing and you changed your mind, you could press 
>>> escape and the message would either close if you had not written anything 
>>> or you would get an alert with a dialogue box in it wishing for you to say 
>>> yes or no.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
 On 29 Oct 2016, at 20:48, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
 wrote:
 
 Can you elaborate on that a bit?
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 - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
 To: "Macvisionaries" 
 Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 3:06 AM
 Subject: The escape key now at present.
 
 
> I have noticed that the escape key doesn't do very much on the Mac 
> anyway. Just thought about it in the light of our recent discussions.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, I have an open topic list, where anything goes, you can discuss any and 
everything, just no badgering other members or there opinions, info is below.

Checkout my groups
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> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Alex is right we should stick to the topic.  Remember I did try to leave 
> politics out of it and just encourage people to flex their voting muscles no 
> matter how they wished.;)
> 
> To answer your question though since it’s a great question, no we have no 
> such requirement.  Once you register to vote you’re registered.  Now there 
> are things that happen for example if a death certificate is issued that 
> registry entry should be removed but in practicality that doesn’t always 
> happen.  It really depends on the individual state.  In some states you don’t 
> even have to show identification to vote, in others you do.  In some states 
> they have early voting meaning you can vote early either at a polling place 
> or via mail.  In other states you have election day only.  Florida is an 
> example where you can vote early, Michigan is an example where you can only 
> vote on election day.  There’s been a provision in Texas state law that you 
> can vote from space.:)  (Astronauts being Houston Texas residents have a 
> provision to vote electronically from the space station as an example)  SO 
> things differ.  TO my knowledge though there’s no need to check in every year.
> 
> Great question.
> 
> To bring this squarely on topic though, I wish there was a way to vote 
> securely online.  I realize that’s very difficult to do safely but how nice 
> would it be to just fire up the old iPad or laptop and vote.  We could be a 
> lot more direct instead of so representative like we are now but the security 
> of such a thing just couldn’t be guarantied.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> To tell you the truth and I'm being honest here, I love it when things go 
>> wrong.  I laugh.
>> 
>> You are right Scott, the BBC and other News channels hype things up.  It 
>> will be as it will be tomorrow.  Whatever the case, there has to be a loser.
>> 
>> Just one last thing.  Here in the UK every year you have to let your local 
>> authority know if you live in the same place so that you don't have to 
>> register again to vote.  I'd think they would do that in the US.
>> 
>> By the way, I just like to know things for my knowledge and not to spark 
>> anger or nastiness so those who say that this conversation is going to turn 
>> nasty, I beg to differ.
>> 
>> I've had my say so we can get talking about Apple etc.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 8 Nov 2016, at 18:13, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kawal, so much for trying to keep this apolitical.  That aside, the sad 
>>> fact is there is a real case to be made for the election being fixed.
>>> 
>>> 1. There are over 24 million registered voters who shouldn’t be.  These are 
>>> either people who are not citizens, people who are dead, people who are 
>>> registered in more than one location and so forth.
>>> 
>>> Next, there have already been cases of people’s votes being misrecorded on 
>>> file.  In Texas for example, there have been cases of trump votes being 
>>> changed to Clinton votes by the software.
>>> 
>>> Now to be fair and balanced, on the republican side, there have been 
>>> cases made for voter suppression especially of the African American vote.
>>> 
>>> Some examples of presidents who were elected via fraud include John F. 
>>> Kennedy and Lindon Johnson.  The corruption in Chicago famously assisted 
>>> JFK in his election bid.  LBJ also benefited from fraud in Texas.  So, 
>>> there’s an actual verifiable history of this in the country.  
>>> 
>>> We also have video tape of democratic operatives this year advising the 
>>> Clinton folks how to circumvent the voter registration system and how to 
>>> bus people in to areas with out being detected.
>>> 
>>> Now, all that being said there’s some good news in this front as well.  
>>> More people are watching than ever before.  There are 800 government 
>>> operatives fanning out across the country to verify the integrity of the 
>>> election.  On top of this there are thousands of volunteers on both sides 
>>> and individual themselves are being more vigilant in insuring their votes 
>>> are recorded correctly.  So in the end I think this will not be a problem.
>>> 
>>> I can tell Kawal though that you need to really broaden your media sources. 
>>>  The idea of voter fraud is not a conspiracy theory or off balance, there’s 
>>> a long history of it including in recent times.  Do I need to remind you 
>>> about the 2000 election?  You may not be familiar but there were real 
>>> shenanigans during 

New DirecTV Now Details Leak - Including Some of The Channel Lineup - Cord Cutters News

[Kliphton Miller]

>> Details of the new DirecTV Now service have been thin, but now it looks like 
>> we finally get some new details.
>> 
>> Variety  
>> has
>>  reported they received new leaked documents. The leaked documents come from 
>> a customer-support training manual to help train call center employees.
>> 
>> Here is what we learned:
>> 
>> Subscribers who are willing to commit to at least three months of paid 
>> service will be able to get a free Apple TV as part of a device promotion, 
>> similar to the Sling TV device deal.
>> Some of the channels include Audience Network, Food Network, MTV, TBS, AXS 
>> TV, Fox, MTV 2, TCM, BET, FYI, MundoFox, TNT, Bravo, Galavision, NBC, Travel 
>> Channel, Cartoon Network, Golf, NBC Sports Network, TruTV, CBS, Hallmark, 
>> Nickelodeon, TV Land.
>> Many, but not all networks will support a 72-hour catch-up window, allowing 
>> you to re-watch shows, similar to how Sling handles their on-demand content.
>> Will have access to WatchESPN
>> Over 14,000 VOD tittles. (No mention if these are free or paid titles.)
>> DirecTV Now will give consumers a 7-day free trial
>> Some other less exciting details:
>> 
>> Some channels will only be available to stream on PC or mobile devices such 
>> as NBC Local channels. “NBC local channels are currently unavailable using 
>> streaming devices or smart TVs,” the leaked documents explain, meaning there 
>> may be no streaming on devices like the Fire TV or Apple TV.
>> 
>> Source: Variety 
>> 
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Re: Peel the Apple or what ever it is called.

[Kliphton Miller]

It’s welcome to all who follow the rules.
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> So much for that list where we can discuss macs and stuff the last time I 
> tried I was bootted off with no explanation so that list you go on about is 
> not welcoming to everyone.  
>> On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:05, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. And 
>> as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. 
>> There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very 
>> relevant.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> Group administrator for the following
>> groups
>> chat
>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
>> blind apples
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> blind square GPS
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> blind handyman
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> iPad help for the blind
>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
>>> management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The 
>>> owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes 
>>> the running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it 
>>> either. Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's pathetic.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. 
>>> You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have junk 
>>> like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> Group administrator for the following
>>> groups
>>> chat
>>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
>>> blind apples
>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>> 
>>> blind square GPS
>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>> 
>>> blind handyman
>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>> 
>>> iPad help for the blind
>>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs  wrote:
 
 I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day 
 because it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. 
 If you have the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.
 On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
 
 Lighten up, Francis.
 
 
 
 On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:
> Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. 
> This should have been addressed before and you need to remove people 
> instead of making a generic announcement such as the one below.
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Everyone,
> 
> This thread is now considered closed.
> 
> Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute to 
> this thread.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Global Warming
> 
> Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you 
> come up with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by 
> volcanos, you prove it.
> 
> Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All 
> successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into account.
> They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up 
> articles from scientific journals that show that certain climate models 
> have predicted climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for 
> by chance. These models also 

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[Kliphton Miller]

My list is very high traffic, and no off topic BS, not even for an hour.  the 
info is below
Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick 
efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute?  
Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always 
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Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple 

And ask your question there.  All are welcome!


> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:45 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. 
> This should have been addressed before and you need to remove people instead 
> of making a generic announcement such as the one below.
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Everyone,
> 
> This thread is now considered closed.  
> 
> Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute to 
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> 
> Thank you,
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Global Warming
> 
> Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you come 
> up with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by volcanos, you 
> prove it.
> 
> Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All 
> successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into account. 
> They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up articles 
> from scientific journals that show that certain climate models have predicted 
> climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for by chance. These 
> models also show that the amount of warming we have experienced cannot be 
> accounted for by volcanos and that it is indeed due to the greenhouse gases 
> we have emitted. Now, I am willing to dig up that evidence if you insist. 
> But, as a gentleman, I would hope you don't make me look stuff up just on the 
> hope that I won't bother. If you really do doubt something I say, by all 
> means challenge me to prove it. 
> But please do not waste my time.
> On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hi Todor,
>> Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
>> Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
>> Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a Volcano?
>> With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the   "theory" is 
>> flawed to begin with.
>> BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
>> Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused pollution?
>> FYI
>> I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
>> At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at 
>> the proper temperature! ;) Scott is absolutely correct again!
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:
>>> 
>>> Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere 
>>> cause the planet to heat up. This can be explained through the laws of 
>>> physics and can be tested experimentally. This is called the "Greenhouse 
>>> Effect".
>>> 
>>> Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse gas 
>>> into our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked up in the 
>>> earth's crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a web page that 
>>> lists the top oil producing countries. I am going to say it adds up to more 
>>> than a hundred million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a hundred 
>>> million barrels per day. There are also millions of tons of coal and 
>>> natural gas being mined every day.
>>> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder
>>> /2241rank.html
>>> 
>>> Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how much 
>>> effect the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have.  Those 
>>> calculations, often called climate models, are proven to be accurate 
>>> because they can predict things like droughts and floods to a degree that 
>>> cannot be accounted for by chance. And these climate models consistently 
>>> show that we have indeed put enough greenhouse gas into our atmosphere to 
>>> cause the planet to heat up.
>>> 
>>> Now, those 3 facts taken together *prove* that global warming is being 
>>> caused by human activity. This stuff about volcanos is what is called 
>>> "fuzzy thinking".  It's akin to a person defending themselves in court by 
>>> saying the police can't prove that the guy he shot didn't just happen to 
>>> drop dead from some other reason right before the 

Re: Peel the Apple or what ever it is called.

[Kliphton Miller]

As I remember it, you weren’t removed, you just didn’t get approved when the 
list moved.  Was a team decision and we felt it was best at that time.  Take it 
personal, let it roll off your back, but still was and still is a team making 
the decisions, not just 1 person.
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>  I don't take kindly to being removed with no explanation, as that was most 
> unfair.I broke no rules by the way at the time so I'll stick to what I said, 
> and you can lump it.  What I do no someone took offence to my posting on that 
> list, although I was very courteous as some don't know what that is.
>> On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:31, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It’s welcome to all who follow the rules.
>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So much for that list where we can discuss macs and stuff the last time I 
>>> tried I was bootted off with no explanation so that list you go on about is 
>>> not welcoming to everyone.  
>>>> On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:05, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. 
>>>> And as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right 
>>>> now. There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very 
>>>> relevant.
>>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>>> Group administrator for the following
>>>> groups
>>>> chat
>>>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
>>>> blind apples
>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>>> 
>>>> blind square GPS
>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>>> 
>>>> blind handyman
>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>>> 
>>>> iPad help for the blind
>>>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>>>> 
>>>> Email
>>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>>> I device support
>>>> Telephone
>>>> 2543007667
>>>> Skype
>>>> joseph.hudson89
>>>> facebook
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>>> Twitter
>>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>>> 
>>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
>>>>> management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. 
>>>>> The owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then 
>>>>> cedes the running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get 
>>>>> it either. Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's pathetic.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. 
>>>>> You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have 
>>>>> junk like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
>>>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>>>> Group administrator for the following
>>>>> groups
>>>>> chat
>>>>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
>>>>> blind apples
>>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> blind square GPS
>>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> blind handyman
>>>>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> iPad help for the blind
>>>>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>>>>> 
>>>>> Email
>>>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>>>> I device support
>>>>> T

Re: iTunes match questions

[Kliphton Miller]

Good choice.  Cause iTunes match is a annual fee, so once a year.  And if you 
cancel, your music stays on your system.  I love it though, car play works with 
it flawlessly.
> On Nov 4, 2016, at 1:06 PM, aliFaisal <faisal.a...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   It is disconcerting to lose all the music that was compiled if one 
> happens to cancel their apple music subscription. Given this fact, it might 
> be more advantageous to just keep iTunes match, and purchase individual songs 
> or albums as one sees fit. I would hate to lose too much music in case of 
> unforeseen financial circumstances.
> I think I might cancel apple music and just get iTunes match.
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim is exactly right.  Both services are not necessary unless you are going 
>> to play some some that you don’t want to have a copy of.  I like iTunes 
>> match, cause it shows up on all my devices, including my appleTV.  They 
>> allow you to have up to 100 thousand songs in your iCloud music library,  
>> And right now I have a total of 94382 left the last 6000 for new music I 
>> might get.  I have everything I like in 1 spot, and even when I create play 
>> lists, they sync to all my devices.  HTH
>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Apple Music and iTunes Match are different, complementary, but also similar.
>>> 
>>> Apple Music does pretty well everything iTunes Match does, but a little 
>>> differently and with a few restrictions.
>>> 
>>> • both Apple Music and iTunes Match store your entire iTunes Library in 
>>> iCloud.  That is, they both take personal music and playlists, put them 
>>> into the Cloud and make them accessible to all your devices.
>>> • iTunes Match gives you a DRM free copy of your personal music if it is 
>>> available, whereas Apple Music downloads a copy with DRM present.
>>> • if you terminate iTunes Match, the high quality copies of the music are 
>>> still available to you if you downloaded them, but with Apple Music, if you 
>>> terminate the subscription, you lose access to the higher quality Apple 
>>> Music version.
>>> • iTunes Match only gives you access to your own music and your purchased 
>>> music.  Apple Music gives you access to the entire 43 million songs in 
>>> Apple's iTunes library.
>>> • when downloading local copies to your devices, both iTunes Match and 
>>> Apple Music will give you the Apple version if available, but note the DRM 
>>> restrictions above.
>>> • both also have restrictions on the quality and length of the original for 
>>> upload to the Cloud.
>>> • there's some other technical differences that I can't remember.
>>> 
>>> So, in most cases, having both services is unnecessary, although there are 
>>> situations where it is useful.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Nov 4, 2016, at 07:09, aliFaisal <faisal.a...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I am a current apple music subscriber, and wish to possibly invest in 
>>> iTunes match but had some questions.
>>> I understand that the service matches your library with what it has in the 
>>> store and provides you to download the matched song. I also have a lot of 
>>> songs I have added with apple music. How does it go about apple music songs 
>>> and playlist? Does it match those as well?
>>> I have a large library with songs in the thousands. What would be the 
>>> easiest and the most convenient way of determining whether the service has 
>>> found matches for a song that I am listening to. would this information be 
>>> reflected in the contextual menu on the song?
>>> And finally, when one downloads the matched song, what then happens to the 
>>> original file that was in your library? does it get replaced or will it 
>>> create duplicates.
>>> If it doesn’t replace them outright, is there a way to set iTunes to do 
>>> that? I am pretty busy on most days and do not have the time to sift 
>>> through and find duplicates that iTunes match has created with the matched 
>>> songs. I want to automate the process as much as I can.
>>> Thanking you in advance for your feedback.
>>> 
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Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, I prefer the 4.7 model.  I had the 6 Plus, but didn’t really need all 
that extra screen, the battery life was nice though.
> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> 
> The 7--both the plus and the regular have:
> a newer, faster processor
> the new chip that supports the airpots
> Improved camera (I realize that may or may not matter to you)
> stereo speakers  (I personally find the sound noticeably improved)
> The new virtual home button
> Is slightly thinner
> 
> 
> Others can probably add to this list.  Remember the Plus refers to the larger 
> sized phone.  Personally I prefer the smaller size, but that seems to be a 
> gender dependent thing, i.e. most guys seem to like the Plus, most women 
> don't.
> HTH,
> Donna
>> On Oct 19, 2016, at 9:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  I was thinking 6s. What does the 7 plus have that the non plus model does 
>> not? By the way, how long is the lightning to 3.5 adapter?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 10/18/2016 10:24 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> A new iPhone is a most worth while cause.  I love my 7+.  Go with the plus 
>>> if you do upgrade.
>>> 
 On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:49 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Interesting developments to be. I know nothing about USB C but I usually 
 go with the flow and so expect it probably will be an easy enough change 
 to adapt to.
 
 The touch bar I find interesting too. We need someone to beta test 
 hardware! Oh right. NDA. So much for that.
 
 My mid 2012 MBP still seems healthy whereas my bank account is not so a 
 new Mac is not on my radar. A new iPhone has a better chance.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 10/18/2016 10:03 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to 
> discuss.  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the 
> laptops including the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook 
> taking the place of the 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the 
> MacBook air 13, and changes to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the 
> source has a hit and miss record with rumors, it does indicate that it 
> matches other reports from more reliable sources so it seems worth 
> reading.  I’d be interested in comments, I’m not sure I like all the 
> proposed changes.
>   The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
> keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included 
> is USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a 
> little bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just 
> because) and the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
> What do you all think?
> 
> Read more here.
> http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
> 
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Kliphton Miller]

I have never had an issue setting up apple time capsules for friends and 
family.  It is actually just as easy as on the mac side.
> On Nov 22, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Erik Burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Just my two centts worth, I'm sure this wasn't a snap decision.  I don't 
> think apple makes many of those no matter who the CEO is.
> 
> Apple routers aren't just expensive, they're out of site expensive.  The 
> hardware is nice, but nothing you can't get in a router for 1/3 of the price. 
>  Similarly, hard drives capable of time machine can be had for a fraction of 
> the price of the extreme.
> 
> In terms of software, you are OK as long as you only want to set up apple 
> devices.  You're in trouble if you need to set up airport using windows for 
> any reason, or if you want to connect non bonjour printers or other 
> unsupported perripherals.  Non-proprietary, standards capable routers from 
> linksys, d-link, and TP-Link do a much more universally accessible, less 
> proprietary job for between 30 and 50 bucks a shot. 
> 
> I loved my mac and my IPod, but I'm not such an apple fanboy that I'm willing 
> to waste money.  Some of apple's stuff is just not worth it.  The usb 
> super-multi drive is one such, also the bluetooth keyboard, and the routers. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik
> 
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> On November 22, 2016 8:20:09 AM Jessica Moss  
> wrote:
> 
>> I wonder why they suddenly decided to do that.  I thought those were one of 
>> their biggest sellers.
>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I'm really sorry to see it happen. I was hoping for new Apple routers. 
>>> I know they charge more than some others. But setting up one of those on a 
>>> Mac was a total piece of cake. I'm all about pieces of cake when it comes 
>>> to setting up routers.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Barry Hadder >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I think that this is really bad news.
 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
> 
 
 
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direct TV now, launches on november 30th

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Direct TV Now is swinging for the fences!  Not only are they offering a free 
appleTV4 if you commit to 3 months of service, but for a limited time, you can 
get over 100 channels for 35 bucks, and add on HBO and cenamax for only 5 bucks 
each.   That is huge!  Considering HBO is 15 bucks by itself on appleTV and 
other cable providers.  Read more here
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Re: RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Kliphton Miller]

Here is the one Scott recommends.  Says you get good range, and it is very 
secure.  On reading upon it, it also has a lot of forwarding features, and 
parental controls for those with kids.
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-X10-802-11ac-Quad-Stream/dp/B01M12RE4A/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t
 

enjoy!

> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> I like my Airport Extreme so if it breaks down I'm not sure what I'm going to 
> do.  So I too will want to know a good reliable router if this breaks down.
>> On 22 Nov 2016, at 09:26, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
>> 
>> Uh oh, so what’s a good and accessible wireless router in case my old trusty 
>> Airport Extreme breaks down on me?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 21 nov. 2016 kl. 23:52 skrev Dan D. :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Kliphton Miller]

Scott, what net gear router would you recommend for the average home user, who 
wants good range, and a secure network that has an accessible UI?
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Everything is going to go to a WiFi standard I suspect.  With AD coming out 
> for high speed in room access and AC becoming pervasive it makes sense to 
> handle everything natively over WiFi.  You can also prioritize each class of 
> data nicely.
> 
> Bluetooth won’t be the spec, it’s to short range.  Only 10 meters or so and 
> 15 - 20 meters at most depending on the class of transmitter used.  WiFi has 
> you out to 100+ meters even more in some conditions.  I’ve done 30 miles 
> point to point with 5 GHZ WiFi outside on towers.
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the airport express works extremely well for this, and I don't know any 
>> other way to airplay enable an older system.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Brent Harding > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it was the Airport Express that Sonos and others recommended to use 
>>> to bring Airplay audio into other setups by way of that line out jack it 
>>> had. I don't know that other routers have that.
>>>  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Scott Granados 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
>>> Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors
>>> 
>>> Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
>>> airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I 
>>> personally use a different router and use the airports as access points but 
>>> I was just starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in 
>>> another direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have 
>>> much much more advanced WiFi features now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> They were good products though.
>>> 
 On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder > wrote:
 
 I think that this is really bad news.
 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Kliphton Miller]

How accessible are those net gear routers?  I loved the accessibility of the 
time capsule, hope they release some firnwhear updates at least.
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
> airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I 
> personally use a different router and use the airports as access points but I 
> was just starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in 
> another direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have 
> much much more advanced WiFi features now.
> 
> 
> They were good products though.
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder > > wrote:
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>> I think that this is really bad news.
>> 
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
>>> 
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Re: How does one get to know your e-mail address?

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My rule of thumb is, if I don’t know the sender, then I don’t open it.  A lot 
of websites like PayPal, e-bay, and amazon have sellers, or people who know how 
to get a hold of mass email lists, and sends out this kind of stuff.
> On Nov 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, E.T.  wrote:
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> Kawal,
>   This is phishing. Its a common ploy to steal one's information. Its also 
> how the scumbugs plant their tools in one's computer so they can take it 
> hostage and demand a ransom.
> 
>   The best defense is simply to be extremely skeptical. And delete these 
> emails permanently as soon as you receive it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> On 11/17/2016 1:28 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> Hi.
>> 
>> This is a bit off topic but I have to ask this question.
>> 
>> I received an e-mail today to my me account as I only use that account for 
>> personal things and you may know I use my alias for stuff like this list.
>> 
>> Well, today I received an e-mail today to my me account, I will put this 
>> e-mail below so you can see what I'm talking about.  Now I think this e-mail 
>> is junk as I am frightened to do what is asked on it although I'm tempted if 
>> it means you get ready cash but I'm scared.
>> 
>> But what I'd like to know, how on earth do people get your e-mail especially 
>> if you do not give it out?  This e-mail is below.  I'd like someone's 
>> opinion for some one to tell me is this junk as It is difficult to tell.
>> 
>> I hope everyone understands that I only do this kind of thing to get advice 
>> from anyone who is happy to give it to me and as Mark says that this is a 
>> list to share things because we are all in the same boat, Visually impaired 
>> which is not my favourite word as I'm totally blind so my vision can't be 
>> impaired.  So please forgive me for this.
>> 
>> Time sensitive...
>> By using this free method just once, you will need a
>> checking account capable of receiving huge daily deposits.
>> 
>> I already made sure yours is ready here:
>> ==>> Check it out here!
>> 
>> Click inside to activate this so your checking account
>> can receive deposits
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> All Rights Reserved.
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>> I actually saved it to text edit to see if my name was spelt wrong and it 
>> was not so you see my anxiety about this thing.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible

[Kliphton Miller]

I have no issues with creating rules and changing settings.  What I do is, go 
in too the mail app, system prefs, and go to edit alias's it drops me directly 
into the selection area 

Kliph
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On Oct 30, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

No unfortunately I believe you still need to create mail rules on the dumb 
iCloud site if you want the rule to sync across all devices. I have emailed 
Apple Accessibility but doubt I will hear back. This is a long running issue 
with the iCloud site that has gone even further backwards. So much for that 
great accessibility announcement on thursday.
> On Oct 30, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Oddly enough it seems a little better under windows which is humorous in a 
> sad way.
> 
> I thought if you created rules under apple mail they propagated via the cloud 
> on the back end.
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 2:43 PM, christopher hallsworth 
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>> 
>> Oh wow, so it's not me then. Yes, how awful, because what if I want to 
>> create or edit rules? Now I can't. Please let's all email Apple 
>> Accessibility and/or Mr Cook.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 17:58, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes it is awful. How can a company that talks such a big game about 
>>> accessibility have such a poorly designed main site. There is now no way 
>>> whats so ever to use universal mail rules. Or edit any of your existing 
>>> mail rules. Just awful. 
 On Oct 30, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 I've never been impressed with iCloud.com
 
 Alas, I can reproduce everything you're saying.
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 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:50 AM
 Subject: Is Apple's iCloud website now completely inaccessible
 
 
 Hey all,
 
 Ok the old iCloud website was bad enough but this is ridiculous what they 
 have done with it. Would love to hear if anyone can access mail on the 
 iCloud site so they can create a mail rule. I used to be able to do this 
 and the steps were a little weird but now there is no way to get to mail. 
 I go to iCloud get signed in, go to settings then VO space on settings to 
 switch app. I can get to mail and I VO space on it and it takes me back to 
 the main screen of Find your devices. Please do let me know if anyone 
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Re: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

[Kliphton Miller]

So bottom line Scott, your saying pass on the 2016 model, and wait it out for 
2018?  I have my 2014 MacMini, and really have no need for a portable computer, 
since I do 98 percent from my phone anyway, but this did look intreegging.

Kliph
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On Oct 28, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just wait until 2018’s keyboard when all the keys are redefinable like that and 
the key actually displays the symbol of the redefined function dynamically.

They are going to use some sort of digital ink to pull this off.

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:24 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> In the presentation it changes with each application your running,
> Something like dynamic I guess 
> But if you hold the fn key down the function keys show up.
> 
> 
> I'd like to know if you can get the 13" touch bar model but with the standard 
> keyboard rather than the new one, and the max ram, SSD and I7 processor.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Friday, 28 October 2016 7:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks
> 
> Looks like we’ll have lots of keys to map now with the light bar.  I’m 
> intrigued by the idea but need to try one out myself to see what it’s like.
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:12 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure, if osx suffices for your use cases, this is probably correct.
>> 
>> But, if you want to host virtual machines, e.g. via VMware, here's yet 
>> another key to map, and yet another way to make using those virtual 
>> machines problematic, i.e. harder to reliably stay in the vm vs 
>> accessing the chrome of the host vm server.
>> 
>> Personally speaking, I'm not satisfied remapping Ctrl, Option, and 
>> Command to host Windows and Linux. I've just not been sufficiently 
>> happy with doing this on my Airbook to the extent that I took an 8 
>> year old laptop with me on my last several business trips rather than 
>> the Airbook.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Kliphton Miller writes:
>>> Honestly, who uses an escape key anyway.  I was just sitting here 
>>> thinking, and I couldn't think of 1 thing I actually use the escape 
>>> key for.  Windows yes, but not on OSX.  JMO
>>> 
>>> Miller Family
>>> Without Christ there is no life!
>>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm starting to lose faith in apple,
>>> 
>>> These things sound like going to far,
>>> 
>>> But then hey, I had no issues with the headphone jack going...
>>> Guess this is a wait and see situation.
>>> 
>>> I just want a quad core processor in my mac book air and `32gig ram 
>>> with 1tb ssd
>>> 
>>> I'll be happy even with a 13 inch device and those specs.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2016 1:45 PM
>>> To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; 
>>> mac4thebl...@freelists.org
>>> Subject: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks
>>> 
>>> I just saw an article talking about how you can re-map and existing key, 
>>> such as control, caps lock, command or option, to take the place of the 
>>> escape key which is going away on the new MacBooks to be revealed on 
>>> Thursday. There will still be that functionality on the new magic track bar 
>>> or whatever they're calling it. But if you are a person who wants to have a 
>>> hardware escape key, you will have to remap an existing key to get it. For 
>>> those of you who use caps lock for voiceover, good luck. I have no idea how 
>>> that Mike coexist with this new functionality. Or you're stuck with the new 
>>> magic track bar and it's soft functionality. Could be interesting.
>>> Mary
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Re: Using another account on mac

[Kliphton Miller]

Yes, go back to internet settings, and highlight the account, vo right, and 
there should be a check box for enabling mail.  It might ask you for the 
password, but since it is in your keychain of internet accounts, it may not.  
Good luck.

Kliph
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On Oct 28, 2016, at 7:48 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hello all:

I have my MacBook pro and my mac mini
I created my Gmail account on my MacBook pro, and I was using it
when I opened my macmini, I discovered a very strange thing.
I found the gmail account in my internet account settings, but not on
mail app. how can I put it on  the mac mail app?
I  tried adding it from add account and I entered all my data, but it
stuck on done and cancel, and nothing changed in the final step.

so, is there a way to tell my amil app to use the gmail created
account already on the internet account settings? or what shall I do
now?

Thanks


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Re: Using another account on mac

[Kliphton Miller]

Yes, you don't need to do vo shift M.  Just find the check box, and vo space 
bar on it, and you should be good to go.

Kliph
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On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello:

I went, and highlited the Gmail account, but pressing Vo+Shift+M for
right click does not perform anything.
so, am I missing something?


> On 10/28/16, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> Yes, go back to internet settings, and highlight the account, vo right, and
> there should be a check box for enabling mail.  It might ask you for the
> password, but since it is in your keychain of internet accounts, it may not.
> Good luck.
> 
> Kliph
> Sent from my mobile office
> 
> On Oct 28, 2016, at 7:48 AM, Ramy Moustafa <ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> I have my MacBook pro and my mac mini
> I created my Gmail account on my MacBook pro, and I was using it
> when I opened my macmini, I discovered a very strange thing.
> I found the gmail account in my internet account settings, but not on
> mail app. how can I put it on  the mac mail app?
> I  tried adding it from add account and I entered all my data, but it
> stuck on done and cancel, and nothing changed in the final step.
> 
> so, is there a way to tell my amil app to use the gmail created
> account already on the internet account settings? or what shall I do
> now?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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Re: 2016 Macbook Pro

[Kliphton Miller]

I will get the 256 model, I have a MacMini with 512 SSD right now, and don’t 
even fill up half of it.  The reason being, I have a net work attach storage 
server with 24TB and a time capsule with 3TB, so I see no need to save anything 
internally.  I am looking forward to mastering the touch bar, although I am 
sure that will take a little longer than it usually does, since the touch bar 
will be app specific.
> On Nov 3, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Thats a big +1 from me, totally agree David.
> 
> I will probably go with a 2016 model because I usually update every year.  I 
> am considering the 15 inch model with the light bar and the fastest I7 
> option.  I’m not sure if I will go 1 or 2 TB of storage, 2 TB is a huge 
> amount.  I have a 1 TB drive now and don’t come anywhere near filling it up.  
> I do wish there was a 32 GB option but we’ve covered that, 16 seems to be all 
> the memoryI can get at least for this year.  I will also buy the upgraded 
> graphics option for faster graphics performance and because I experiment a 
> lot with drones and video feeds from different arial platforms.  Also like 
> producing youtube videos.
> 
> I totally agree with David’s position on technology and am glad apple puts a 
> lot of thought in to the accessibility side of things.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 1:50 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> I would prefer a full touchscreen. However, Apple does not have one yet. So, 
>> I would prefer an iPad Pro, Mac, combo unit. Apple does not have that yet 
>> either. My current Mac is a MacBook Air 11" 2011. It is getting old. It only 
>> has 2 GB RAM as that was the maximum available at the time. Likewise, it 
>> only has 128 GB internal storage. My new iPhone 7 (the plus was unavailable) 
>> has 256 GB storage.
>> 
>> The world is going touchscreen. Apple continues its commitment to 
>> accessibility. Eventually, the world will go to air gestures. Legal 
>> blindness is 0.5% of the population. This means, we must adapt to general 
>> market tech and innovations, whenever possible. We do not have the numbers 
>> to make the market adapt to us. Therefore, I go to the latest, not last 
>> years tech, whenever possible. This way, I stay ahead / in the curve, as 
>> much as possible, and therefore, remain relavent.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4/11/2016, at 06:26, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What made you pick that particular one? Why not get the one without touch 
>>> bar?
 On Nov 3, 2016, at 10:28 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 I will probably get the 13" with touchbar.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 4/11/2016, at 04:21, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
> 
> Hi:
> Is anyone getting the new 2016 Macbook Pro? If so, which version? With, 
> or without touchbar?
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Re: iTunes match questions

[Kliphton Miller]

Tim is exactly right.  Both services are not necessary unless you are going to 
play some some that you don’t want to have a copy of.  I like iTunes match, 
cause it shows up on all my devices, including my appleTV.  They allow you to 
have up to 100 thousand songs in your iCloud music library,  And right now I 
have a total of 94382 left the last 6000 for new music I might get.  I have 
everything I like in 1 spot, and even when I create play lists, they sync to 
all my devices.  HTH

> On Nov 4, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Apple Music and iTunes Match are different, complementary, but also similar.
> 
> Apple Music does pretty well everything iTunes Match does, but a little 
> differently and with a few restrictions.
> 
> • both Apple Music and iTunes Match store your entire iTunes Library in 
> iCloud.  That is, they both take personal music and playlists, put them into 
> the Cloud and make them accessible to all your devices.
> • iTunes Match gives you a DRM free copy of your personal music if it is 
> available, whereas Apple Music downloads a copy with DRM present.
> • if you terminate iTunes Match, the high quality copies of the music are 
> still available to you if you downloaded them, but with Apple Music, if you 
> terminate the subscription, you lose access to the higher quality Apple Music 
> version.
> • iTunes Match only gives you access to your own music and your purchased 
> music.  Apple Music gives you access to the entire 43 million songs in 
> Apple's iTunes library.
> • when downloading local copies to your devices, both iTunes Match and Apple 
> Music will give you the Apple version if available, but note the DRM 
> restrictions above.
> • both also have restrictions on the quality and length of the original for 
> upload to the Cloud.
> • there's some other technical differences that I can't remember.
> 
> So, in most cases, having both services is unnecessary, although there are 
> situations where it is useful.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 4, 2016, at 07:09, aliFaisal  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I am a current apple music subscriber, and wish to possibly invest in iTunes 
> match but had some questions.
> I understand that the service matches your library with what it has in the 
> store and provides you to download the matched song. I also have a lot of 
> songs I have added with apple music. How does it go about apple music songs 
> and playlist? Does it match those as well?
> I have a large library with songs in the thousands. What would be the easiest 
> and the most convenient way of determining whether the service has found 
> matches for a song that I am listening to. would this information be 
> reflected in the contextual menu on the song?
> And finally, when one downloads the matched song, what then happens to the 
> original file that was in your library? does it get replaced or will it 
> create duplicates.
> If it doesn’t replace them outright, is there a way to set iTunes to do that? 
> I am pretty busy on most days and do not have the time to sift through and 
> find duplicates that iTunes match has created with the matched songs. I want 
> to automate the process as much as I can.
> Thanking you in advance for your feedback.
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Re: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

[Kliphton Miller]

Honestly, who uses an escape key anyway.  I was just sitting here thinking, and 
I couldn't think of 1 thing I actually use the escape key for.  Windows yes, 
but not on OSX.  JMO

Miller Family
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On Oct 26, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

I'm starting to lose faith in apple,

These things sound like going to far,

But then hey, I had no issues with the headphone jack going...
Guess this is a wait and see situation.

I just want a quad core processor in my mac book air and `32gig ram with 1tb 
ssd 

I'll be happy even with a 13 inch device and those specs.

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mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: No more hardware escape key on upcoming MacBooks

I just saw an article talking about how you can re-map and existing key, such 
as control, caps lock, command or option, to take the place of the escape key 
which is going away on the new MacBooks to be revealed on Thursday. There will 
still be that functionality on the new magic track bar or whatever they're 
calling it. But if you are a person who wants to have a hardware escape key, 
you will have to remap an existing key to get it. For those of you who use caps 
lock for voiceover, good luck. I have no idea how that Mike coexist with this 
new functionality. Or you're stuck with the new magic track bar and it's soft 
functionality. Could be interesting.
Mary


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Re: Any word on the new MacBooks? Starting to get adverts for cases.

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I heard late october,.
> On Oct 13, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Hi all, I received an email from Waterfield designs today about sleeves and 
> cases for the new MacBooks.  For folks who don’t know Gary Waterfield is a 
> designer of high end leather bags as well as messenger bags, sleeves, wallets 
> and equipment pouches.  I swear by his stuff, it’s all manufactured in San 
> Francisco and highly rated by the various magazines.  Extremely stylish stuff.
>   Has Apple officially released the specs for the new laptops yet?  I 
> can’t find anything on the Apple store, looks the same to me.  Wonder if this 
> is a sign that the new stuff is near or Gary is just jumping the gun a 
> little.:)  Any info would be most appreciated.
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iPhone 7's unlocked versions online only

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The online apple store has unlocked iPhone 7, and 7Plus’s, in all colors and 
all capacities.  And they ship in less than a week, at least in my area.

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direct TV now, live chat, and 72 hour rewind option

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> So, got the live chat to work on the direct TV now support page.  The rep 
> told me that they didn’t know how to get voiceover to work with there app, 
> and I told them there was an entire section specifically for this.  The rep 
> flat out ignored that comment.  Also said there is no phone number, they are 
> only a streaming service, and live chat is the only way to talk to them.  He 
> did give me a link to access the channel lineups, and told me they would 
> attempt to fix the voiceover issues in the future.  Like I have stated 
> before, the app is very usable, once you get use to it.  On another note, 
> direct TV now app now has a 72 hour rewind option on select channels.  I know 
> sling TV had this, and it worked well, I just saw this update last night, or 
> this morning, whatever time you consider night and day, so I haven’t had a 
> chance to try it out yet.  If anyone wants to see the live chat conversation 
> let me know, I had the transcript  emailed to me.

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Direct TV Now channel lineup

[Kliphton Miller]

> Okay, I am pasting the entire channel lineup from direct TV now’s website.  
> Keep in mind this is a list of all the channels available, and it depends on 
> what package you choose.  Also, at the very bottom, is the list of local 
> channels and the market they are available in.
> Direct TV now channel lineup
> 
> 
> A
>   
> ABC
> 
> AMC
>   
> American Heroes
> 
> Animal Planet
> 
> Audience
>   
> AXS TV
>   
> Baby First
> 
> BBC America
>   
> BBC World News
>   
> BET
>   
> Bloomberg TV
> 
> Boomerang
>   
> Bravo
>   
> BTN
>   
> C-SPAN
> 
> C-SPAN2
> 
> Cartoon Network
>   
> Centric
> 
> Chiller
>   
> Cloo
> 
> CMT
>   
> CNBC
>   
> CNBC World
> 
> CNN
>   
> Comedy Central
>   
> Comedy TV
> 
> Cooking Channel
>   
> Destination America
> 
> Discovery
>   
> Discovery Family Channel
> 
> Discovery Life
>   
> Disney Channel**
>   
> Disney Junior**
>   
> Disney XD**
>   
> DIY Network
>   
> E!
>   
> El Rey
>   
> ESPN
>   
> ESPN2
> 
> ESPNEWS
> 
> ESPNU
>   
> FM
> 
> Food Network
>   
> Fox
> 
> Fox Business Network
> 
> Fox News Channel
> 
> FOX Sports 1
>   
> FOX Sports 2
> 
> Freeform**
>   
> Fuse
> 
> Fusion
> 
> FX
>   
> FX Movie Channel
>   
> FXX
>   
> fyi,
>   
> Galavision
>   
> Golf Channel
>   
> GSN
>   
> Hallmark Channel
>   
> Hallmark Movies & Mysteries
>   
> HGTV
>   
> HISTORY
>   
> HLN
> 
> IFC
>   
> Investigation Discovery
>   
> Justice Central
> 
> Lifetime
>   
> LMN
>   
> Logo
>   
> MLB Network
> 
> MSNBC
>   
> MTV
>   
> MTV2
>   
> MTV Classic
> 
> Nat Geo WILD
>   
> National Geographic Channel
>   
> NBA TV
> 
> NBC
> 
> NBC Sports Network
>   
> NBC Universo
>   
> NHL Network
> 
> Nick Jr.
>   
> Nickelodeon/Nick at Nite
>   
> Nicktoons
> 
> OWN
>   
> Oxygen
>   
> Revolt
>   
> RFD-TV
> 
> Science
> 
> SEC Network
>   
> Spike
>   
> Sprout
>   
> STARZ ENCORE Action
>   
> STARZ ENCORE Black
>   
> STARZ ENCORE East
>   
> STARZ ENCORE Family
>   
> STARZ ENCORE Classic
>   
> STARZ ENCORE Suspense
>   
> STARZ ENCORE West
>   
> STARZ ENCORE Westerns
>   
> SundanceTV
>   
> Syfy
>   
> TBS
>   
> TCM
>   
> TeenNick
>   
> Telemundo
> 
> Tennis Channel
> 
> TLC
>   
> TNT
>   
> Travel Channel
>   
> TruTV
>   
> TV Land
>   
> TVG
> 
> UniMás
>   
> Univision
>   
> Univision Deportes Network
>   
> USA Network
>   
> Velocity
> 
> VH1
>   
> Viceland
>   
> WE tv
>   
> Weather Channel
>   
> WeatherNation
> 
> *Your account must be active and subscribed to Go Big before the introductory 
> promotional pricing period ends to receive Go Big introductory pricing. If 
> you cancel your account or change your plan after the introductory 
> promotional period ends, your account will renew at the package price then in 
> effect. Channels, features, and terms subject to change & may be discontinued 
> without notice.
> **Not available on Internet Explorer 11 on Windows 7.
> ^To get a local or regional sports network, your billing address must match a 
> local market, and your device must be in that location.
> List of local channels
> 
> ABC*  
> NBC**  
> FOX  
> Telemundo  
> Atlanta, GA
> WAGA-TV
> Austin, TX
> KTBC
> Boston, MA
> Telemundo East
> Charlotte, NC
> WJZY
> Chicago, IL
> WLS-TV
> WMAQ
> WFLD
> Telemundo East
> Dallas-Ft Worth, TX
> KXAS
> KDFW-TV
> Telemundo East
> Denver, CO
> Telemundo East
> Detroit, MI
> WJBK
> Fresno-Visalia, CA
> KFSN-TV
> Telemundo East
> Gainesville, FL
> WOGX
> Hartford-New Haven, CT
> WVIT
> Houston, TX
> KTRK-TV
> Telemundo East
> Las Vegas, NV
> Telemundo East
> Los Angeles, CA
> KABC-TV
> KNBC
> KTTV
> Telemundo East
> Miami-Ft Lauderdale, FL
> WTVJ
> Telemundo East
> Minneapolis, MN
> KMSP-TV
> New York, NY
> WABC-TV
> WNBC
> WNYW
> Telemundo East
> Orlando-Daytona, FL
> WOFL
> Philadelphia, PA
> WPVI-TV
> WCAU
> WTXF-TV
> Telemundo East
> Phoenix, AZ
> KSAZ-TV
> Telemundo East
> Raleigh-Durham, NC
> WTVD-TV
> San Diego, CA
> KNSD
> San Francisco, CA
> KGO-TV
> KNTV
> KTVU
> Oakland, CA
> KGO-TV
> KNTV
> KTVU
> San Jose, CA
> KGO-TV
> KNTV
> KTVU
> Tampa-St Petersburg, FL
> WTVT
> Washington, D.C.
> WRC
> WTTG
> *Not available on Internet Explorer 11 on Windows 7.
> **NBC live stream available on mobile and desktop devices only. 

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Re: direct TV now, live chat, and 72 hour rewind option

[Kliphton Miller]

 
>>>>>>> them we get. The other we don't. The one we got, Fox, my husband and I 
>>>>>>> would both gladly dump in favor of getting the CBS station. I think 
>>>>>>> he's going to try one more antenna. And if that doesn't work, will 
>>>>>>> either put something up on the roof or forget it.
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Another advantage of over the air digital reception is it isn’t 
>>>>>>>> compressed.  Most apartments and condo groups will not put up to much 
>>>>>>>> of a fight if you want to put up an antenna or dish any more.  Back 
>>>>>>>> when the communications act was first passed I had an home owners 
>>>>>>>> association go to war with me about putting up an antenna.  I was 
>>>>>>>> originally going to put up a small 8 element Channel Master, nothing 
>>>>>>>> nuts and in a fixed position since all the towers I wanted to hit were 
>>>>>>>> in the same place in San Francisco.  They kept threatening me and 
>>>>>>>> trying to tell me what to do which if you haven’t guessed doesn’t 
>>>>>>>> really work with me and because I was a ham operator I went all PRB1 
>>>>>>>> on them and put up a 100 foot tower with individual beam antennas that 
>>>>>>>> required an industrial rotator.  I also put lights on the top and 
>>>>>>>> became active in one of the local civil preparedness groups.  I had 
>>>>>>>> the outside of my property looking like an NSA listening post.  I also 
>>>>>>>> put in a 20 foot dish that I ended up building a home brew radio 
>>>>>>>> telescope out of.  I made sure the dish blocked out the sun if I 
>>>>>>>> pointed it correctly to my neighbor’s back yard and pool because he 
>>>>>>>> was the association president.  I was going to put solar panels in on 
>>>>>>>> top of that which in California is the only justification you can use 
>>>>>>>> to cut down trees and totally rip out all the landscaping that would 
>>>>>>>> have blocked my sun exposure but they caved first.  Ever since that 
>>>>>>>> time my property managers have been more than accommodating of the 
>>>>>>>> very little roof space I’ve needed which in the end accounted for an 
>>>>>>>> 18 inch dish and a small panel antenna for fixed wireless. Good times!
>>>>>>>> One thing you might look at are some of the better indoor antennas.  
>>>>>>>> You don’t need to mount anything and some come with preamps built in.  
>>>>>>>> The good news with digital signals you don’t need perfect reception 
>>>>>>>> like you do with analog.  As long as you’re getting the data stream 
>>>>>>>> above the noise level sufficiently things will work just fine.  No 
>>>>>>>> ghosting or multi path to worry about.  You might have a small device 
>>>>>>>> you put in a window or if you go whole hog something you sit in your 
>>>>>>>> attic and you can use RF splitters to drop the signal in to your 
>>>>>>>> existing dish wiring so you won’t have to pull new wire.  They make 
>>>>>>>> some models that strap on to your existing dish install and are barely 
>>>>>>>> visible.  Even the good ol rabbit ears will work in many settings.  
>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That works, depending on the terrain, your location, and the location 
>>>>>>>>> of the stations you need to get. I live close to all of the stations 
>>>>>>>>> supposedly, but can't get CVS for love or money, unless of course, 
>>>>>>>>> maybe if I had an outside anten

Re: direct TV now, live chat, and 72 hour rewind option

[Kliphton Miller]

all 8 element Channel Master, nothing nuts and in a fixed 
>>>>>> position since all the towers I wanted to hit were in the same place in 
>>>>>> San Francisco.  They kept threatening me and trying to tell me what to 
>>>>>> do which if you haven’t guessed doesn’t really work with me and because 
>>>>>> I was a ham operator I went all PRB1 on them and put up a 100 foot tower 
>>>>>> with individual beam antennas that required an industrial rotator.  I 
>>>>>> also put lights on the top and became active in one of the local civil 
>>>>>> preparedness groups.  I had the outside of my property looking like an 
>>>>>> NSA listening post.  I also put in a 20 foot dish that I ended up 
>>>>>> building a home brew radio telescope out of.  I made sure the dish 
>>>>>> blocked out the sun if I pointed it correctly to my neighbor’s back yard 
>>>>>> and pool because he was the association president.  I was going to put 
>>>>>> solar panels in on top of that which in California is the only 
>>>>>> justification you can use to cut down trees and totally rip out all the 
>>>>>> landscaping that would have blocked my sun exposure but they caved 
>>>>>> first.  Ever since that time my property managers have been more than 
>>>>>> accommodating of the very little roof space I’ve needed which in the end 
>>>>>> accounted for an 18 inch dish and a small panel antenna for fixed 
>>>>>> wireless. Good times!
>>>>>> One thing you might look at are some of the better indoor antennas.  You 
>>>>>> don’t need to mount anything and some come with preamps built in.  The 
>>>>>> good news with digital signals you don’t need perfect reception like you 
>>>>>> do with analog.  As long as you’re getting the data stream above the 
>>>>>> noise level sufficiently things will work just fine.  No ghosting or 
>>>>>> multi path to worry about.  You might have a small device you put in a 
>>>>>> window or if you go whole hog something you sit in your attic and you 
>>>>>> can use RF splitters to drop the signal in to your existing dish wiring 
>>>>>> so you won’t have to pull new wire.  They make some models that strap on 
>>>>>> to your existing dish install and are barely visible.  Even the good ol 
>>>>>> rabbit ears will work in many settings.  Good luck
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That works, depending on the terrain, your location, and the location 
>>>>>>> of the stations you need to get. I live close to all of the stations 
>>>>>>> supposedly, but can't get CVS for love or money, unless of course, 
>>>>>>> maybe if I had an outside antenna way up on the roof. Not going to 
>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>>>>>>> <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Just get an ota like the mobileaf
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Just to add to what Clifton said, if the channels in your area are 
>>>>>>>>> not directly owned by the network, you probably won't get them. For 
>>>>>>>>> instance, none of our local channels are available.
>>>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> it all depends on your region.  I live in the tampa FL area, and I 
>>>>>>>>>> get fox, and that is it.  Although there are some NBC shows that are 
>>>>>>>>>> on demand like c

Re: holy awesomenessly

[Kliphton Miller]

There will be limited amount in stores next week, this according to 
macrumors.com .
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> This what I heard as well.  The pods are available for preorder but not 
> shipping until 12/29.  Won’t make it under the tree but glad we’ll be able to 
> get them just barely before the year ends.
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:53 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Morning world of everyone on the mac visionaries list.
>>  
>> Thought I’d let you know that the time has come for women and men to 
>> purchase if you so wish,
>>  
>> The Apple Earpods!
>>  
>> Yeah that’s right folks, they are now able to be pre ordered from the apple 
>> website!
>>  
>> I’ve just checked both the apple.com  and apple.co.nz 
>>  sites to confirm this and  they show as being on sale 
>> able to be purchased for $269 NZ dollars in my case,
>> The problem however is they have a shipping date or time of shipping in 4 
>> weeks.
>>  
>> I know what I’m doing tomorrow while wasting work time.
>>  
>> Have a great one world I’ve just had my Bluetooth headphone question 
>> ansewered.
>>  
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>>  
>> Simon F
>>  
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Re: Is development for OS Over?

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There will be a new line of iMacs coming out sometime next year.  They delayed 
them, cause they need to find a way to put the touch bar on the keyboard that 
ships with it.  Personally, nothing exciting has changed since mavericks, but 
they foot print is getting smaller, just glad updates are free, based on the 
lack of changes we have seen.  From what the reviews and reports say about the 
2016 MacBook Pro, they probably should have waited on those too.
> On Dec 15, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
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> Just a question for you all.
> 
> Please note I don't test beta's as I don't have time but have been wondering 
> is development over for the Mac OS?  For the last six years since I've used 
> the Mac, only small things have changed.  I as you most know, use a Mac and 
> Mac Mini as I don't have any need for a portable machine.  Apple bring out 
> new lap tops but they don't bring out a new desk top so am wondering if Apple 
> are finished with the computer side of their OS.  They have also got rid of 
> their mac safe wire and their airport extremes.  I am very sad that Apple 
> should want to do this.  In fact access technology has been standing still 
> since the talking I phone came out.  I wonder where access technology is 
> going.  I want something new to excite me as I use to get excited over new 
> technology but these days it's the same old, same old.  I don't think an new 
> I phone will grip a blind person any more so I'm wondering what is next to 
> make us so crazy.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

[Kliphton Miller]

I wasn’t aware of any mail issues with apple mail.  But then I am using a mid 
Mac mini from 2014, so maybe it’s for older models?
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD <eagle...@fairpoint.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> Has the problems with mail been fixed?
> 
> 
> 
> Junior Lolley kg4itd
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
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> Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
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> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
> 
> Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
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>> I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release.  
>> Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta have 
>> been worked out.  Update em if you got em.
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Re: holy awesomenessly

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I said it was a rumor, take it with a grain of salt.  But I did get a 
notification from my local Apple Store that they would be on shelf on December 
21st, limited amount.
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:57 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Not true. The AirPods have started shipping / will start shipping this week. 
> They are so popular that the ordering is now out to 6 weeks away when 
> ordering online from the Apple Store. My fiancé ordered them in the 
> Australian Apple Store shortly after they came online, and we are slated to 
> receive them around December 19. US Apple Store was already 4 weeks out at 
> that when she ordered them..
> 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 15/12/2016, at 02:40, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
>> This what I heard as well.  The pods are available for preorder but not 
>> shipping until 12/29.  Won’t make it under the tree but glad we’ll be able 
>> to get them just barely before the year ends.
>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:53 AM, Simon Fogarty >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Morning world of everyone on the mac visionaries list.
>>>  
>>> Thought I’d let you know that the time has come for women and men to 
>>> purchase if you so wish,
>>>  
>>> The Apple Earpods!
>>>  
>>> Yeah that’s right folks, they are now able to be pre ordered from the apple 
>>> website!
>>>  
>>> I’ve just checked both the apple.com  and apple.co.nz 
>>>  sites to confirm this and  they show as being on sale 
>>> able to be purchased for $269 NZ dollars in my case,
>>> The problem however is they have a shipping date or time of shipping in 4 
>>> weeks.
>>>  
>>> I know what I’m doing tomorrow while wasting work time.
>>>  
>>> Have a great one world I’ve just had my Bluetooth headphone question 
>>> ansewered.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Cheers,
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Simon F
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

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There is an article on iDonwLoadBlog.com on why the battery issue is there.  
What I am happy about they fixed, you no longer have to log in to connected 
servers after a restart, do it once, and it remembers the password in your 
keychain as it should.  I did a clean install, as I hadn’t done one since lion.
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> One thing of note, it appears that the Battery Menu Extras item has lost the 
> ability to announce the current Battery level.  That is, as you move across 
> the Menu Extras, the current battery level, or time until charged used to be 
> announced.  This is no longer the case for me.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:53, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I noticed the same thing but it was incremental for me as I was updating with 
> each beta.  It seems like a pretty substantial update in size and as you 
> mentioned firmware as well.
> 
> Might blow out the install and do a clean 10.12.2 install although so far 
> it’s responding beautifully.
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Got it up here in the Great White Frozen North at about 2:00-ish MST.  There 
>> must be some updates to firmware and other base operations as I got the 
>> solid tone and about six restarts before it finished the process.  All seems 
>> to be running smooth after the update.
>> 
>> Later..
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 09:47, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
>>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release.  
>>> Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta have 
>>> been worked out.  Update em if you got em.
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

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Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release.  
> Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta have 
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Re: direct TV now, live chat, and 72 hour rewind option

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it all depends on your region.  I live in the tampa FL area, and I get fox, and 
that is it.  Although there are some NBC shows that are on demand like chicago 
fire, chicago PD, and some ABC shows too.  CBS is rumored to being close to 
signing on, but who knows when that will happen

> On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:47 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Does anyone know how to get access to your local channels in the area where 
> you live using DIRECTV NOW question
> 
> David Tanner
> 
> From my iPhone 6 S
> 
> On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:19 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
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>>> So, got the live chat to work on the direct TV now support page.  The rep 
>>> told me that they didn’t know how to get voiceover to work with there app, 
>>> and I told them there was an entire section specifically for this.  The rep 
>>> flat out ignored that comment.  Also said there is no phone number, they 
>>> are only a streaming service, and live chat is the only way to talk to 
>>> them.  He did give me a link to access the channel lineups, and told me 
>>> they would attempt to fix the voiceover issues in the future.  Like I have 
>>> stated before, the app is very usable, once you get use to it.  On another 
>>> note, direct TV now app now has a 72 hour rewind option on select channels. 
>>>  I know sling TV had this, and it worked well, I just saw this update last 
>>> night, or this morning, whatever time you consider night and day, so I 
>>> haven’t had a chance to try it out yet.  If anyone wants to see the live 
>>> chat conversation let me know, I had the transcript  emailed to me.
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direct TV now updated

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> Okay, so I have tried this app on appleTV, iPad mini, and iPhone.  I would 
> have to say the iPhone was the best experience.  Mainly because everything is 
> grouped together, and easy to get too.  1st off, you must change some 
> settings.  turn auto play off, next episode automatically starting off, and 
> mute sound when app starts should be off.  Once you do this, there are some 
> tabs at the bottom.  Home, shows, movies, and networks.  It works great, you 
> go into movies, and it lists all movies from your available channels, gives 
> you the year the movie was released, and a description of it. You can even 
> back out and go by TV show, or network.  And the best part about it is, if 
> you set your favorites on 1 device, they carry over to any device you sign 
> into.  I didn’t like the experience on iPad mini to much, the split screen 
> just confused me, but I don’t use the iPad mini every day, and someone who 
> does may understand the layout better.  I have already posted about appleTV 
> experience, so won’t repeat it here.  All in all, the experience is fine if 
> you have a little patients.  I am not disappointed.  SlingTV has some 
> thinking to do, because both there packages together, is 45 bucks, and only 
> 67 channels, with no HBO or Cina max.  Plus there feed is choppy at best.  I 
> watched direct TV now on 2 devices at the same time, and it never buffered.  
> Watched a NBA game on ESPN, and a movie on lifetime at the same time for 
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Re: direct TV now updated

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to kill the stream, just push the play pause button, and it will stop.
> On Dec 3, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Chris Moore <chris.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hello,
> What I can’t figure out is how to terminate a stream once it is playing.  
> Also we can’t get it to work on a Mac.  After logging in, all we get is a 
> black screen.
> 
> Chris
>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
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>>> Okay, so I have tried this app on appleTV, iPad mini, and iPhone.  I would 
>>> have to say the iPhone was the best experience.  Mainly because everything 
>>> is grouped together, and easy to get too.  1st off, you must change some 
>>> settings.  turn auto play off, next episode automatically starting off, and 
>>> mute sound when app starts should be off.  Once you do this, there are some 
>>> tabs at the bottom.  Home, shows, movies, and networks.  It works great, 
>>> you go into movies, and it lists all movies from your available channels, 
>>> gives you the year the movie was released, and a description of it. You can 
>>> even back out and go by TV show, or network.  And the best part about it 
>>> is, if you set your favorites on 1 device, they carry over to any device 
>>> you sign into.  I didn’t like the experience on iPad mini to much, the 
>>> split screen just confused me, but I don’t use the iPad mini every day, and 
>>> someone who does may understand the layout better.  I have already posted 
>>> about appleTV experience, so won’t repeat it here.  All in all, the 
>>> experience is fine if you have a little patients.  I am not disappointed.  
>>> SlingTV has some thinking to do, because both there packages together, is 
>>> 45 bucks, and only 67 channels, with no HBO or Cina max.  Plus there feed 
>>> is choppy at best.  I watched direct TV now on 2 devices at the same time, 
>>> and it never buffered.  Watched a NBA game on ESPN, and a movie on lifetime 
>>> at the same time for almost 2 hours.  HTH.
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Re: Deleting or moving apps on an AppleTV fourth-generation using a Bluetooth keyboard

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to delete apps with the remote, find the app you want to delete, hold down the 
track pad, it will say moving, after that, it will say hit play for more 
options, hit the play button, and select delete and confirm.
https://directvnow.com/watch/live
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> To piggy-back on this, how do you delete apps using the remote?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I am sure this must be possible, right? But I am not having any luck 
>> figuring it out. So, any help out there?
>> Mary
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Helpful tip for direct TV now users

[Kliphton Miller]

Well, was wondering why the movies, shows, network, and other features that are 
on the phone weren’t showing on the appleTV4.  So, while watching a show, turn 
voiceover off, swipe up once, turn voiceover back on, and you will have the 
list of on demand content for movies, shows, networks.  Once you get to the 
category you want to view, just swipe down, not click the track pad, again, in 
the network section it will do like it did on sling TV, and say 2 of 15, 3 of 
15, and so on.  It’s a pretty short list so I am sure you can remember what 
your favorites will be.  As for the shows and movies, those are all read just 
fine.  HTH

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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

I am on there too, about to leave cause it’s a waste of my time.  I have more 
than most.
> On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What's the name of this media service you're with?  I'm a part of the 
> mediareq list, and love it, but dispise sendspace, partly because of their 
> ads, and because it's so slow and you're only allowed so much that you can 
> download per day.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Kliphton Miller <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 7:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>> 
>> Get them to sign up with your share link, and you can earn up to 20GB of 
>> free storage, I got mine all in 1 day.
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com 
>>> <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can report that the PCloud service looks quite nice on a Samsung Galaxy 
>>> S7 Edge with Android 7.x. Really starting to like this service but wonder 
>>> whether to change completely from Dropbox to PCloud given that i have 
>>> friends on Dropbox whom i don’t know if i can convince to get over to 
>>> PCloud and another mailing list that i’m a member of is sharing their stuff 
>>> on Dropbox and it’s quite large.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
>>>> 26 mars 2017 kl. 15:30 skrev Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> I have heard there is a windows desktop client that downloads to your pc 
>>>> once you are signed up.
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Ryan Mann <rmann0...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:rmann0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Windows, can you access the drive from Windows Explorer  once you sign 
>>>>> up?  I can with Dropbox and Google Drive. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry, you are correct.  It works on Mac and IOS, but can’t say for sure 
>>>>>> for windows or android.  Although I heard if you are using windows, to 
>>>>>> sign up with fire fox, then IE will work once your signed up.
>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> HI Cliffton,
>>>>>>> You say it’s fully accessible for MAC and PC, but not sure for windows 
>>>>>>> or android,
>>>>>>> Do you mean it’s fully accessible for IOS and Mac OS ??
>>>>>>> Sounds pretty good but just want to confirm
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Simon F
>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 26 March 2017 2:09 AM
>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>>>>>>>> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And 
>>>>>>>> instead of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they 
>>>>>>>> used a service called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and 
>>>>>>>> android app.  You get 10GB free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for 
>>>>>>>> referring a friend.  You get upload and download traffic allowances, 
>>>>>>>> and the app is 100 percent accessible on both Mac and PC.  CAn’t say 
>>>>>>>> for windows or android, cause I don’t use it on either of those 
>>>>>>>> platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you want to upgrade, and there 
>>>>>>>> plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, below is my referral link.  Sign up 
>>>>>>>> with it, and we both get a free GB.
>>>>>>

Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

I have heard there is a windows desktop client that downloads to your pc once 
you are signed up.
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Ryan Mann <rmann0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In Windows, can you access the drive from Windows Explorer  once you sign up? 
>  I can with Dropbox and Google Drive. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, you are correct.  It works on Mac and IOS, but can’t say for sure for 
>> windows or android.  Although I heard if you are using windows, to sign up 
>> with fire fox, then IE will work once your signed up.
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI Cliffton,
>>>  
>>> You say it’s fully accessible for MAC and PC, but not sure for windows or 
>>> android,
>>>  
>>> Do you mean it’s fully accessible for IOS and Mac OS ??
>>>  
>>> Sounds pretty good but just want to confirm
>>>  
>>> Cheers,
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Simon F
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>> Sent: Sunday, 26 March 2017 2:09 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>>>  
>>> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And instead 
>>> of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used a service 
>>> called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  You get 10GB 
>>> free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  You get upload 
>>> and download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 percent accessible on 
>>> both Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, cause I don’t use it on 
>>> either of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you want to upgrade, 
>>> and there plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, below is my referral link.  
>>> Sign up with it, and we both get a free GB.
>>> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>>>  
>>> <https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV>
>>>  
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Re: A simple audio converter on mac

[Kliphton Miller]

I use a program called “easy music converter”. When I got it, it was free for 
the month, think the price is 3 bucks, but it is voiceover accessible.
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No, sorry, iTunes cannot read those formats, therefore won't be able to do 
> what you're asking.  I used to use an app called MPEG Stream Clip that could 
> do this, just not sure how compatible it is with Sierra.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 00:51, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> From wma or wav to mp3.
> Can i tunes achieve this?
> 
> Ramy moustafa saber
> licturer at:
> faculty of musical education
> music arranger and sound engineer
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 9:34 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What sort of audio conversion are you trying to do?  iTunes will convert a 
>> few audio formats quite easily.  It just depends on the file type you have 
>> and what you wish it converted to.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 03:48, Ramy Moustafa > > wrote:
>> 
>> If accessible and will work with sierra? I will pay, did u try it?
>> 
>> Ramy moustafa saber
>> licturer at:
>> faculty of musical education
>> music arranger and sound engineer
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 1:34 AM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>>> IF you don’t mind paying a little, might I suggest “Easy Music Converter”?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Mar 23, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Ramy Moustafa > wrote:
 
 Hello all:
 
 I need an accessible audio converter on mac.
 Thanks
 
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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

Sorry, you are correct.  It works on Mac and IOS, but can’t say for sure for 
windows or android.  Although I heard if you are using windows, to sign up with 
fire fox, then IE will work once your signed up.
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> HI Cliffton,
>  
> You say it’s fully accessible for MAC and PC, but not sure for windows or 
> android,
>  
> Do you mean it’s fully accessible for IOS and Mac OS ??
>  
> Sounds pretty good but just want to confirm
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Sunday, 26 March 2017 2:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>  
> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And instead 
> of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used a service 
> called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  You get 10GB 
> free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  You get upload and 
> download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 percent accessible on both 
> Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, cause I don’t use it on either 
> of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you want to upgrade, and there 
> plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, below is my referral link.  Sign up with 
> it, and we both get a free GB.
> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>  
> <https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV>
>  
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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

I was not prompted for a credit card number at all.
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 3:53 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Just had a quick look att the windows side fo the website,
>  
> Not overly impressed with the site from within IE,
> And that’s just signing up.
>  
> Oh well, also not impressed with needing to give credit card details for 
> something that is meant to be free.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Sunday, 26 March 2017 2:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>  
> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And instead 
> of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used a service 
> called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  You get 10GB 
> free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  You get upload and 
> download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 percent accessible on both 
> Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, cause I don’t use it on either 
> of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you want to upgrade, and there 
> plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, below is my referral link.  Sign up with 
> it, and we both get a free GB.
> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>  
> <https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV>
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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

Get them to sign up with your share link, and you can earn up to 20GB of free 
storage, I got mine all in 1 day.
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I can report that the PCloud service looks quite nice on a Samsung Galaxy S7 
> Edge with Android 7.x. Really starting to like this service but wonder 
> whether to change completely from Dropbox to PCloud given that i have friends 
> on Dropbox whom i don’t know if i can convince to get over to PCloud and 
> another mailing list that i’m a member of is sharing their stuff on Dropbox 
> and it’s quite large.
> /Krister
> 
>> 26 mars 2017 kl. 15:30 skrev Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>>:
>> 
>> I have heard there is a windows desktop client that downloads to your pc 
>> once you are signed up.
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Ryan Mann <rmann0...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:rmann0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In Windows, can you access the drive from Windows Explorer  once you sign 
>>> up?  I can with Dropbox and Google Drive. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sorry, you are correct.  It works on Mac and IOS, but can’t say for sure 
>>>> for windows or android.  Although I heard if you are using windows, to 
>>>> sign up with fire fox, then IE will work once your signed up.
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> HI Cliffton,
>>>>>  
>>>>> You say it’s fully accessible for MAC and PC, but not sure for windows or 
>>>>> android,
>>>>>  
>>>>> Do you mean it’s fully accessible for IOS and Mac OS ??
>>>>>  
>>>>> Sounds pretty good but just want to confirm
>>>>>  
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> Simon F
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 26 March 2017 2:09 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>>>>>  
>>>>> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And 
>>>>> instead of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used 
>>>>> a service called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  
>>>>> You get 10GB free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  
>>>>> You get upload and download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 
>>>>> percent accessible on both Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, 
>>>>> cause I don’t use it on either of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, 
>>>>> unless you want to upgrade, and there plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, 
>>>>> below is my referral link.  Sign up with it, and we both get a free GB.
>>>>> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>>>>>  
>>>>> <https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV>
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
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>>>>>  
>>>>&g

Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

What is this other group?
> On Mar 26, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Krister Ekstrom <kris...@kristersplace.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I can report that the PCloud service looks quite nice on a Samsung Galaxy S7 
> Edge with Android 7.x. Really starting to like this service but wonder 
> whether to change completely from Dropbox to PCloud given that i have friends 
> on Dropbox whom i don’t know if i can convince to get over to PCloud and 
> another mailing list that i’m a member of is sharing their stuff on Dropbox 
> and it’s quite large.
> /Krister
> 
>> 26 mars 2017 kl. 15:30 skrev Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>>:
>> 
>> I have heard there is a windows desktop client that downloads to your pc 
>> once you are signed up.
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Ryan Mann <rmann0...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:rmann0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In Windows, can you access the drive from Windows Explorer  once you sign 
>>> up?  I can with Dropbox and Google Drive. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sorry, you are correct.  It works on Mac and IOS, but can’t say for sure 
>>>> for windows or android.  Although I heard if you are using windows, to 
>>>> sign up with fire fox, then IE will work once your signed up.
>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> HI Cliffton,
>>>>>  
>>>>> You say it’s fully accessible for MAC and PC, but not sure for windows or 
>>>>> android,
>>>>>  
>>>>> Do you mean it’s fully accessible for IOS and Mac OS ??
>>>>>  
>>>>> Sounds pretty good but just want to confirm
>>>>>  
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> Simon F
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 26 March 2017 2:09 AM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>>>>>  
>>>>> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And 
>>>>> instead of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used 
>>>>> a service called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  
>>>>> You get 10GB free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  
>>>>> You get upload and download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 
>>>>> percent accessible on both Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, 
>>>>> cause I don’t use it on either of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, 
>>>>> unless you want to upgrade, and there plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, 
>>>>> below is my referral link.  Sign up with it, and we both get a free GB.
>>>>> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>>>>>  
>>>>> <https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV>
>>>>>  
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A feature pCloud has, that drop box does not

[Kliphton Miller]

> So, not only can you send someone a link to download things, but you can send 
> a link to anyone to upload things directly to your folder, and you do not, I 
> repeat do not need an account to upload or download directly to or from 
> someones pCloud folder.  It may have improved since last I tried, but dropbox 
> gives you a headache when downloading something and you are not signed in.  
> JMO.  Anyway, I got 2 months free because of people signing up with my link, 
> so here is the link to my lists of what I have.  If you want something, just 
> email me off list
> https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZurUUZ98BYXaD6mCBUGO7ujSVYc4PMOfmX 
> 
> 
> Enjoy!

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A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And instead 
> of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used a service 
> called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  You get 10GB 
> free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  You get upload and 
> download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 percent accessible on both 
> Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, cause I don’t use it on either 
> of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you want to upgrade, and there 
> plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, below is my referral link.  Sign up with 
> it, and we both get a free GB.
> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>  
> 
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Re: A feature pCloud has, that drop box does not

[Kliphton Miller]

Thanks, if you sign up with the below link, we both get a month free
https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV 
<https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV>


> On Mar 27, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, Kliphton, all the people  whom I have known in my life who bear the 
> last name of “Miller” have been fine upstanding people.  Seems to me this is 
> worth a look.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 5:26 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> So, not only can you send someone a link to download things, but you can 
>>> send a link to anyone to upload things directly to your folder, and you do 
>>> not, I repeat do not need an account to upload or download directly to or 
>>> from someones pCloud folder.  It may have improved since last I tried, but 
>>> dropbox gives you a headache when downloading something and you are not 
>>> signed in.  JMO.  Anyway, I got 2 months free because of people signing up 
>>> with my link, so here is the link to my lists of what I have.  If you want 
>>> something, just email me off list
>>> https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZurUUZ98BYXaD6mCBUGO7ujSVYc4PMOfmX 
>>> <https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=XZurUUZ98BYXaD6mCBUGO7ujSVYc4PMOfmX>
>>> 
>>> Enjoy!
>> 
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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

On top of what was mentioned before, you can even share a link with your 
friends, to directly upload to your pCloud folder, and they do not need an 
account to do so.
> On Mar 27, 2017, at 10:39 AM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I know, that's the only thing about these new services, some people get used 
> to one thing and one thing only, and don't really like change.  I think I'm 
> about to give it a try though.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Krister Ekstrom <mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 7:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>> 
>> I can report that the PCloud service looks quite nice on a Samsung Galaxy S7 
>> Edge with Android 7.x. Really starting to like this service but wonder 
>> whether to change completely from Dropbox to PCloud given that i have 
>> friends on Dropbox whom i don’t know if i can convince to get over to PCloud 
>> and another mailing list that i’m a member of is sharing their stuff on 
>> Dropbox and it’s quite large.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 26 mars 2017 kl. 15:30 skrev Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>>:
>>> 
>>> I have heard there is a windows desktop client that downloads to your pc 
>>> once you are signed up.
>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Ryan Mann <rmann0...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:rmann0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> In Windows, can you access the drive from Windows Explorer  once you sign 
>>>> up?  I can with Dropbox and Google Drive. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry, you are correct.  It works on Mac and IOS, but can’t say for sure 
>>>>> for windows or android.  Although I heard if you are using windows, to 
>>>>> sign up with fire fox, then IE will work once your signed up.
>>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> HI Cliffton,
>>>>>> You say it’s fully accessible for MAC and PC, but not sure for windows 
>>>>>> or android,
>>>>>> Do you mean it’s fully accessible for IOS and Mac OS ??
>>>>>> Sounds pretty good but just want to confirm
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Simon F
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 26 March 2017 2:09 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Subject: A service better than drop box, I love it!
>>>>>>> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And 
>>>>>>> instead of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they 
>>>>>>> used a service called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android 
>>>>>>> app.  You get 10GB free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a 
>>>>>>> friend.  You get upload and download traffic allowances, and the app is 
>>>>>>> 100 percent accessible on both Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or 
>>>>>>> android, cause I don’t use it on either of those platforms.  Anyway, 
>>>>>>> it’s free, unless you want to upgrade, and there plans are insanely 
>>>>>>> cheap.  Anyway, below is my referral link.  Sign up with it, and we 
>>>>>>> both get a free GB.
>>>>>>> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> <https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV>
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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

No problem!   Thanks for using my link to sign up, it gives us both a month 
free.  As long as you have an account for a month
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for this tip, Klyph!!  They do offer an insane amount of storage!!  
> this is way more storage then I get with my drop box pro account!
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And instead 
>>> of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used a service 
>>> called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  You get 10GB 
>>> free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  You get upload 
>>> and download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 percent accessible on 
>>> both Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, cause I don’t use it on 
>>> either of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you want to upgrade, 
>>> and there plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, below is my referral link.  
>>> Sign up with it, and we both get a free GB.
>>> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>>>  
>>> <https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV>
>>> 
>> 
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Re: A service better than drop box, I love it!

[Kliphton Miller]

For 5 bucks a month, or 48 bucks a year you can get 500GB of space.  For 9.99 a 
month or 100 bucks a year you get 1TB of storage.  And the nice thing is it 
doesn’t take up space on your computers hard drive.  Sign up with this link and 
we will both get a free GB
https://my.pcloud.com/#page=register=JaHlZ4NAdhV 
<https://my.pcloud.com/#page=register=JaHlZ4NAdhV>


> On Mar 25, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Can’t find out how much for how much.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 1:33 PM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for this tip, Klyph!!  They do offer an insane amount of storage!!  
>> this is way more storage then I get with my drop box pro account!
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Okay, I am on another list that shares media and other things.  And 
>>>> instead of using dropbox, or send space with I absolutely hate, they used 
>>>> a service called “pCloud”. It has a IOS, Mac, windows, and android app.  
>>>> You get 10GB free, and get 1GB up to 20gb free for referring a friend.  
>>>> You get upload and download traffic allowances, and the app is 100 percent 
>>>> accessible on both Mac and PC.  CAn’t say for windows or android, cause I 
>>>> don’t use it on either of those platforms.  Anyway, it’s free, unless you 
>>>> want to upgrade, and there plans are insanely cheap.  Anyway, below is my 
>>>> referral link.  Sign up with it, and we both get a free GB.
>>>> https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV
>>>>  
>>>> <https://www.pcloud.com/welcome-to-pcloud/?discountcode=nNqQ1Wh2iHb9OssBQeEiYzZV>
>>>> 
>>> 
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Accessible FTP client?

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> Anyone know of an accessible FTP client?  Prefribley free, but don’t mind 
> paying a little 

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> Could the person who suggested ftp client pro contact me off list please, 
> need a little help with it.
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Re: Accessible FTP client?

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Someone suggested an app for the iPhone called “FTP client pro”  any experience 
with this app?  And how much is transmit?
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Further to Scott's suggestion, you can use FTP from the Finder as well, as 
> long as you're not trying to upload to the FTP server.  Simply press cmd-k to 
> open the Connect to Server dialog, enter ftp://server_Name 
> <ftp://server_name> or ftp://server_IP_address <ftp://server_ip_address>.  
> Alternatively, my go to app for FTP is Transmit.  Totally accessible, but not 
> free.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 20:55, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kliph, the Mac comes with ftp as part of the OS.  Simply enter your 
> terminal and type ftp
> You can also type
> ftp ftp.targetserver.com <http://ftp.targetserver.com/> where target server 
> is the domain name of the site you’re trying to reach.  An example might be.
> ftp ftp.kernel.org <http://ftp.kernel.org/>
> 
> Once in ftp you use your normal cd and lcd commands, ls and so forth.
> 
> You also have the full SSH suite available so you can sftp and SCP if you 
> want to move files securely.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
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>>> Anyone know of an accessible FTP client?  Prefribley free, but don’t mind 
>>> paying a little 
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Re: Accessible FTP client?

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Transmit is $33.00 for anyone who wants to know

> On Mar 17, 2017, at 12:09 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Someone suggested an app for the iPhone called “FTP client pro”  any 
> experience with this app?  And how much is transmit?
>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com 
>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Further to Scott's suggestion, you can use FTP from the Finder as well, as 
>> long as you're not trying to upload to the FTP server.  Simply press cmd-k 
>> to open the Connect to Server dialog, enter ftp://server_Name 
>> <ftp://server_name> or ftp://server_IP_address <ftp://server_ip_address>.  
>> Alternatively, my go to app for FTP is Transmit.  Totally accessible, but 
>> not free.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 20:55, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kliph, the Mac comes with ftp as part of the OS.  Simply enter your 
>> terminal and type ftp
>> You can also type
>> ftp ftp.targetserver.com <http://ftp.targetserver.com/> where target server 
>> is the domain name of the site you’re trying to reach.  An example might be.
>> ftp ftp.kernel.org <http://ftp.kernel.org/>
>> 
>> Once in ftp you use your normal cd and lcd commands, ls and so forth.
>> 
>> You also have the full SSH suite available so you can sftp and SCP if you 
>> want to move files securely.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:kliph...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Anyone know of an accessible FTP client?  Prefribley free, but don’t mind 
>>>> paying a little 
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Re: Outlook 2016 or Apple mail

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I have never used word on the Mac,  I really have no need since text edit does 
what I want it too.  As it comes to outlook and apple mail?  I have to give the 
thumbs up to apple mail, it organizes by thread, gives you a unified in box, 
and I love the jump to favorites feature on the Mac, wish there was a way to do 
this on phone!lol. I used the office suite on windows from 2005, until  2013.  
I got my first Mac in 2011, but ran windows in fusion for 2 years.  Once I 
realized that text edit, and sometimes pages could do what I needed it to do, I 
dumped windows.  I love outlook for windows, but hate it on the Mac.  If I were 
to pick, for Mac anyway, apple mail would be it, no question!
w
> On Apr 9, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
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> I use Word on the Mac just because I’m more familiar with it, having used it 
> on Windows for nearly 20 years.  You have to make some adjustments for apple 
> keystrokes, but it is usable.  Item chooser is a good way to get to the 
> ribbon controls.  Some of them you work with by VO-shift-M and other’s you 
> just have to interact with, but hints do say when you need the extra step.  
> One extremely annoying problem I had was that when switching to and from the 
> app or sometimes even using functions within the app, the document would jump 
> back up to the top.  I finally discovered that Word is best used with cursor 
> tracking turned off.  The down side is that sometimes VO will not be where 
> you want it for context related options like correcting spelling or grammar, 
> but you can use the VO to Keyboard focus hotkey, which I still forget the 
> sequence for, to get it in sync or briefly turn cursor tracking back on.  I 
> tried setting up an activity to turn it off when in word, but it caused my 
> computer to hang when waking up from sleep.  It’s disconcerting when some 
> things don’t work as expected because tracking is off, but it beats running 
> Windows.
> 
> To the original question, I can’t compare apples to apples (forgive the bad 
> pun) since I never installed the Mac version of Outlook, but that one will 
> come down to personal preference provided accessibility remains constant.  
> Outlook is the king of ways to organize and flag your mail.  At work where 
> I’m forced to used Windows, I employ these features to manage my inbox as a 
> to-do list so that I don’t have to flip to different screens to manage my 
> day.  Mac Mail can’t touch that.  However, overall I prefer Mac mail at home 
> for it’s unified inbox since I have multiple email accounts.  A combination 
> of reminders and a service called followupthen.com  
> keeps my home life on task.
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Thank you. This is really helpful and good to know.  I'm hoping I can just 
>> install Word, and not have to deal with the whole office suite, but I am not 
>> sure about that yet.
>> 
>> Just curious, is there anyone on list who has experience with both using 
>> Word for the Mac, and running Word in Windows using Fusion?  Which gives the 
>> better experience in Word?  That's obviously another option.  I have no 
>> interest in polluting my Mac by putting Windows on it, but if there is a 
>> good reason to, I would consider it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I have certainly used Word 2016 on the Macintosh with no major issues. I 
>>> have not tried anything complex however.  Office 2016 has both Macintosh 
>>> style menus and also a ribbon, I believe there are more options embedded in 
>>> the ribbon, though the ribbon is not as keyboard interactive as it is on 
>>> Windows. You have to interact with the ribbon, select the category from the 
>>> top row, then move down and interact one more time to get to all the 
>>> controls there. I expect that one could use the item chooser in two quickly 
>>> get to a ribbon item, but I have only tried that in Outlook where even in 
>>> my 2016 15 inch Mac Book Pro I escape out of the item chooser before it 
>>> brings up a list of items because it is too slow.. (500 messages in inbox)
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 8, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 On a related note, can anyone give me the current status of Office, 
 specifically Word, on the Mac?  I'm looking at some contract work that 
 would require me to use Word, so trying to figure out whether to do it on 
 a PC, or whether I could just use my Mac.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Apr 8, 2017, at 7:31 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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Re: IPad Pro in place of laptop?

[Kliphton Miller]

If I didn’t use my Mac for downloading files I would go this root.  The iPad 
Pro has a lot of built in power, and for what you want to use it for you should 
be just fine.  The poster said something about apps crashing when closing?  I 
don’t use the home button to close apps, I use the escape key, and on my 
keyboard there is a dedicated home button inbeded into the function row.  So 
I’d say go for it, unless you have to download large files, or import other 
things.  Otherwise, you can get access to most things threw cloud services like 
iCloud, pCloud, as much as I hate it dropbox, google drive, one drive, and hey 
I even connect my WD 32TB server with my cloud account and can access files 
there.  So it is all up to you.  HTH
> On Apr 11, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I use an iPad Pro and it’s dedicated keyboard.
> 
> It is my personal opinion that the Pro would not meet your criteria. The 
> keyboard does not offer the Voiceover navigation to the extent that you can 
> using Mac OS. It’s rather flimsy and delicate. When I’ve needed to do a swipe 
> gesture or close and app via the home button it can collapse. The keyboard 
> issue could be resolved by using an alternative. But at the end of the day. 
> Mac OS is more productive for a keyboard VoiceOver user than is IOS.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2017, at 19:10, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all
>> Has anyone got a iPad Pro which they use for real computing tasks?
>> By real computing tasks I mean tasks which would normally be performed with 
>> a laptop rather than a tablet. The reason I ask is because i'm trying to 
>> find out whether it will be worth it to get a iPad Pro rather than a laptop 
>> for my work, specifically at iPad Pro rather than a MacBook Air. 
>> 
>> I'm looking to get a device for document editing, Internet browsing and 
>> emailing on the go, so nothing too hectic, obviously if going for the iPad I 
>> will automatically get a keyboard as well for the easier typing. 
>> 
>> So, do you think it's viable to get the iPad Pro rather than a laptop?
>> 
>> Nick
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Re: Very useful utility.

[Kliphton Miller]

Yes, I have been using this since 2011, and also write about it on my group blog
Peeltheapple.wordpress.com
It is nice though.
> On Apr 2, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Gary Price  wrote:
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> Afternoon everyone!
> 
> If some people know about this utility already then I do apologise.
> 
> Thanks to the Applevis podcasts, I've discovered an excellent utility on the 
> Mac called Keyboard commander.
> This lets you assign any key to a command for performing certain actions.
> It also lets you change things to your liking.
> 
> What I mean is for example instead of that really complex keystroke Control, 
> Option, Shift and F11 to toggle the screen curtain on or off, I've added the 
> keyboard key C. So now I just have to press right option key and C.
> 
> Today I've added a few others as well.
> 
> To access the keyboard commander, open the VoiceOver utility by pressing 
> either Control Option F8 or depending on people's configuration you might 
> need to hold down the FN key as well.
> Once in the VoiceOver utility, interact with the utility categories table by 
> either Control Option Shift Down arrow, or if using the quick nav option down 
> and right arrow I think.
> Select Commanders and then stop interacting with CTRL Option Shift up arrow 
> or if using quick nav down and left arrow.
> 
> Your then presented with a list of tabs, the one you need is keyboard.
> Move to it with VO and the arrow keys.
> 
> Once selected, you should see a keyboard commander table where the commands 
> currently supported are listed.
> To add a command, press the add button.
> 
> After you do this, you will be in the keyboard key edit field.
> I'm telling you this because if you down arrow or move away from this field 
> you won't be able to add it.
> So put the key you want into this edit field.
> Then VO right arrow once, you should hear Command menu button.
> Activate this button, and look through the different options.
> 
> Once you've found the command you want to add, press Enter and bingo!
> 
> I should add that all the commands are listed as menus.
> 
> I hope this Email is useful to some people!
> 
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> Sent from my 13 inch Macbook pro.
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Re: Very useful utility.

[Kliphton Miller]

Also, I don’t see how the caps lock key as a modifier has anything to do with 
this subject.  The caps lock key can’t launch pages or numbers for me with a 
single keystroke.  It can’t open safari for me, and it sure can’t tell me the 
time.  I am one that is against the caps lock key as a modifier for 2 reasons, 
1.  Quick nav pretty much takes care of having to use it or the vo keys.  2. It 
reminds me to much of the screen reader most of us left behind, why would I 
want to be reminded of that layout?  JMO

> On Apr 2, 2017, at 12:59 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, let me reply with some more here.
> 
> Keyboard Commander can also be toggled on and off anywhere with a keystroke. 
> Either control-option-shift-k or caps lock-shift-k. Finally, by default, some 
> commanders are provided, such as one to speak the time and date, one to 
> announce how many unread messages within a mailbox in Mail, to name but two.
> 
> 
>> On 2 Apr 2017, at 17:56, christopher hallsworth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gary.
>> 
>> Just an FYI, this has been around ever since I first used the mac back in 
>> 2012. Nothing new here, but definitely overlooked since it's buried within 
>> the VoiceOver Utility. Also, it is probably used less now caps lock can be 
>> used as the VoiceOver modifier since OS X 10.11 Yosemite. Thank you for 
>> sharing though.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Apr 2017, at 17:08, Gary Price  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Afternoon everyone!
>>> 
>>> If some people know about this utility already then I do apologise.
>>> 
>>> Thanks to the Applevis podcasts, I've discovered an excellent utility on 
>>> the Mac called Keyboard commander.
>>> This lets you assign any key to a command for performing certain actions.
>>> It also lets you change things to your liking.
>>> 
>>> What I mean is for example instead of that really complex keystroke 
>>> Control, Option, Shift and F11 to toggle the screen curtain on or off, I've 
>>> added the keyboard key C. So now I just have to press right option key and 
>>> C.
>>> 
>>> Today I've added a few others as well.
>>> 
>>> To access the keyboard commander, open the VoiceOver utility by pressing 
>>> either Control Option F8 or depending on people's configuration you might 
>>> need to hold down the FN key as well.
>>> Once in the VoiceOver utility, interact with the utility categories table 
>>> by either Control Option Shift Down arrow, or if using the quick nav option 
>>> down and right arrow I think.
>>> Select Commanders and then stop interacting with CTRL Option Shift up arrow 
>>> or if using quick nav down and left arrow.
>>> 
>>> Your then presented with a list of tabs, the one you need is keyboard.
>>> Move to it with VO and the arrow keys.
>>> 
>>> Once selected, you should see a keyboard commander table where the commands 
>>> currently supported are listed.
>>> To add a command, press the add button.
>>> 
>>> After you do this, you will be in the keyboard key edit field.
>>> I'm telling you this because if you down arrow or move away from this field 
>>> you won't be able to add it.
>>> So put the key you want into this edit field.
>>> Then VO right arrow once, you should hear Command menu button.
>>> Activate this button, and look through the different options.
>>> 
>>> Once you've found the command you want to add, press Enter and bingo!
>>> 
>>> I should add that all the commands are listed as menus.
>>> 
>>> I hope this Email is useful to some people!
>>> 
>>> If anyone wants any more information or help, feel free to Email off list.
>>> Gary Price
>>> Sent from my 13 inch Macbook pro.
>>> 
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Re: Saving attachments with your I phone when you are in Mail.

[Kliphton Miller]

This is where you would use 3dTouch.  Just double tap and hold on the file, and 
other options will come up, and saving to iCloud is one of them.
> On Apr 12, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> Is there any way you can save attachments when you are looking at your mail 
> if you are using the I phone?  I was able to save word files in to my I cloud 
> drive once, but can't remember how to do that.
> 
> I have looked in the rota but can't find anything.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

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With the weekly apple conference that I host, we all use the internet audio 
from the app, and the sound is great.  It’s usually about 7 to 10 of us.
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> Lots of these webinar things have bad sound quality-and the more you have on 
> the lines, etc, the worse it seems to be!!  Wonder if sighted people think 
> the quality is as bad as most of us probably do?!
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 12:25 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net 
>> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
>> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
>> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
>> sort of nose crinkle  worthy, but at least the door for phone alone is there.
>> Karen
>> 
>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Kliphton Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
>>> SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
>>> conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
>>>> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>>>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was 
>>>> discovered recently: www.zoom.us <http://www.zoom.us/> 
>>>> <http://www.zoom.us/ <http://www.zoom.us/>>. The big news here is that 
>>>> they have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
>>>> <https://zoom.us/accessibility><https://zoom.us/accessibility 
>>>> <https://zoom.us/accessibility>>), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
>>>> <mailto:acc...@zoom.us> <mailto:acc...@zoom.us <mailto:acc...@zoom.us>>), 
>>>> and a commitment to keeping their product accessible. They claim 
>>>> compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, covering all the major 
>>>> platforms.
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
>>>> their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first 
>>>> place. However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of 
>>>> service and you try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the 
>>>> experience.
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was 
>>>> already brought up over there.
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Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

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I avoid the Mac version all together.  I can’t speak to the screen sharing, but 
everything else you mentioned, is completely accessible within the IOS app.  
Scheduling a meeting, adding participants, and even adding it to your calendar.
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 9:00 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote:
> 
> Karen and All,
> 
> I have also been using Zoom with a corporate account pretty much every day 
> for about a year now but unlike everyone else posting here so far, I have 
> encountered a number of really bothersome accessibility issues.
> 
> So I am wondering if you or someone else in this thread may be able to tell 
> me what the heck I am doing wrong! lol!
> 
> Firstly, in scheduling a meeting on the Mac, choosing a date causes VO to get 
> stuck in the date area.
> 
> Once I figured out that I needed to interact with the date again, I was not 
> able to hear which field I was editing with up and down arrows. More 
> accurately, I can hear the items which are changing but once I have selected 
> an item and use the left or right arrows to move to the next item, no time or 
> date elements are announced until I start using up or down arrows to edit 
> them.
> 
> So I basically need to just guess at which time or date element I am editing 
> at any given moment.
> 
> this is further complicated by the fact that once I am done editing the time 
> and date, Voiceover still seems to be stuck in the date area and it is only 
> by luck that I am able to get out of this area and not change anything I have 
> just set.
> 
> Once I get through that horror show, then I need to be careful when moving 
> through the rest of the scheduling window so as not to accidentally get 
> caught in the date area again.
> 
> So finally, once I have scheduled the meeting successfully, I then go to my 
> meetings tab and am greeted with a grid of unknown cells which I then need to 
> interact with to see which contains my scheduled meeting. Once I do that, 
> there is no obvious way to add participants to it.
> 
> If I click on the Contacts tab to access my company contacts I find a really 
> funky table that seems to cause Voiceover to keep jumping in the list of 
> people as if the list is constantly refreshing.
> 
> Once I am able to select a person, I am placed into what looks like a chat 
> window and again, Voiceover gets stuck in this window. I.E. I can press 
> Escape to get out of the chat window but as soon as Voiceover moves out of 
> the window its focus is immediately brought back into the chat window again.
> 
> This insanity also sometimes happens when I am just moving through the table 
> trying to locate a person. I.E. I will be looking for someone and suddenly I 
> will just end up in a chat window with a random person I am passing by in the 
> constantly refreshing list of contacts.
> 
> I am assuming this list keeps refreshing to keep up with coworkers statuses 
> and such but for God’s sake, there needs to be a way to turn this off. lol!
> 
> Needless to say this is all just hellishly annoying to say the least when I 
> just want / need to get work done. So I am really curious at what others’ are 
> doing to make this app usable.
> 
> I have not even gotten into the squirreliness on the iOS client or the window 
> juggling I seem to need to do when hosting a live meeting or presentation on 
> the Mac where I need to do screen sharing. It’s all just a bit much for me. 
> :) -And certainly is not ready to be called accessible at a corporate level 
> in my opinion.
> 
> So for me personally, calling this accessible is really kind of a stretch. 
> It’s sort of usable but not what I would consider accessible or at all 
> enjoyable. :)
> 
> Just my opinion of course and as I say, I am more than excited to hear 
> others’ feedback if it can help me tame this beastie! lol!
> 
> thanks bunches All and do have a lovely evening / morning / day, wherever you 
> may be on this little blue-green ball of ours.
> 
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> 
> I will add that  zoom allows you to give participant's a call in number 
> instead, a fine option for those ho prefer attending without video at all.
> Granted as is often the case when the audio is video based, the quality is 
> sort 

Re: Accessible web conferencing: zoom.us

[Kliphton Miller]

I HAVE BEEN USING ZOOM FOR ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS MOSTLY ACCESSIBLE, JUST THAT 
SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE available to the sited user, vo doesn’t read during a 
conference, but it’s not a deal breaker.
> On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I saw on Twitter yesterday that a new web conferencing service was discovered 
> recently: www.zoom.us . The big news here is that they 
> have an accessibility website (https://zoom.us/accessibility 
> ), an email address (acc...@zoom.us 
> ), and a commitment to keeping their product 
> accessible. They claim compatibility with VoiceOver, Talkback, and NVDA, 
> covering all the major platforms.
> 
> I haven't tried the service at all, and am going off only what I read on 
> their website and in the article that pointed me to them in the first place. 
> However, things look good. If you're in need of this kine of service and you 
> try Zoom, I'd love to hear what you thought of the experience.
> 
> I haven't been following the Citrix thread, so I apologize if this was 
> already brought up over there.
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: accessible dvd ripper?

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Another one is called rip it.  Others use hand break, but not as easy to use, 
but it is free.
> On Apr 19, 2017, at 9:55 AM, E.T.  wrote:
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> Maria,
>   Mac DVDRipper Pro is a nice one. You can get it at 
> .
> 
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> On 4/19/2017 3:21 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> HI List.
>> 
>> We have lots of dvd’s I’d like to back up. Wondering if there is an 
>> accessible dvd ripper for mac? Basically, I’d like them to be viewable on a 
>> computer, in case one of the dvd’s gets damaged, or if we’re travelling, we 
>> can just take the laptop instead of loads and loads of dvd’s.
>> 
>> Maria
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Re: Adding a Mailbox to Favorites

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No, the limit is 10.
> On Apr 16, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> I believe there is a limit to how many favorites you can have. I believe it 
> is 5.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Brandon A. Olivares > > wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> How can I add a mailbox to the favorites bar? I've been trying to drag/drop, 
>> but to no effect. Is there an easier way?
>> 
>> Brandon
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The focus 14 or 20 line

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How many devices can the focus 14 or 20 connect too?

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Bootcamp vs VM fusion?

[Kliphton Miller]

So, I have used fusion in the past, but never fusion.  Someone asked me witch 
is better, but since I have never given bootcamp a spin, I can’t answer that.  
So, anybody tried both, what is the advantages and disadvantages?  Except with 
fusion I know you can run both systems at once, so besides that?  Personally, I 
don’t even use windows enough to care, but told this friend I would ask the 
experts.lol

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Re: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.

[Kliphton Miller]

If you want to discuss the beta’s freely, and you are using at least one beta 
on 1 of your devices, you can join my beta list
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> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:17 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Even Applevis puts restrictions on discussions regarding betas.
> 
> 
> 
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> On 8/10/2017 7:25 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> To answer Anders question, there has been a lot of discussion on the routing 
>> of voice over and air play. I have not tried this personally as I’m a google 
>> cast man myself but I do know there’s a lot of consternation and unhappy 
>> posts on the topic.  If we weren’t being treated like children we should be 
>> able to discuss this here for the good of our community but we can’t.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 10:13 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, in answer to this then, you can contact me with any beta discussion 
>>> at
>>> challswor...@icloud.com
>>> Please allow some patience as I tend to check email a few days apart. 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 Subject: Ios 11 beta and airplay and VoiceOver.
 
 Hi!
 For you who are testing the latest Ios 11 Public Beta i have a question 
 for you.
 If you’re using airplay, does VoiceOver follow the airplay audio so that 
 it comes through the airplay system instead of the Iphone speaker?
 I have this problem and can’t even use the audio routing feature so that 
 voiceover will stay on the iphone.
 I have reported this to apple.
 I have another problem where in controlcenter i cant select any airport 
 device which was possible in ios 10.
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Re: Quick updates on Money Reader and LookTel Recognizer

[Kliphton Miller]

What is the difference between the 2?  Didn’t it start as money reader, and 
then change the name to look tell money reader?
> On Aug 14, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Should be pretty easy to recompile for 64 bit.  Hope it goes well I’m a big 
> fan and user of looktel.
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2017, at 8:27 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Good to hear some news on these being updated. Thanks a lot.
>> 
>> On 8/13/17, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I just want to send along a quick note to let you know that both Money
>>> Reader and Recognizer are receiving attention right now.
>>> 
>>> We hope to have Recognizer updated in time for the iOS 11 release so there
>>> will be no interruptions for customers using it. This will depend on the
>>> amount of work involved and the resources available.
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much to all of you who are using these apps. I will share more
>>> when I know more.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions, please send me a note at either c...@looktel.com
>>> or caraqu...@caraquinn.com.
>>> 
>>> Have a terrific rest of your day / weekend!
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
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Re: SOme mail makes Voiceover Crash.

[Kliphton Miller]

You should report all bugs to apple.  Even if you think it is small.  This way 
we get all things early and they can fix them.
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> On Jul 11, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have been thinking of this for a while but never happen to ask here.
> I use the latest public beta of Hi-Sierra but i have been having this problem 
> in Sierra to.
> SOme mails i try to read mutes VoiceOver and after a while it restarts Vo so 
> i have to skip the mail i try to read because i can’t.
> This does not happen in all conversations but for example in the thread about 
> Upload speed is very low i can’t read mails From Scot (sorry for that BRO!).
> But i really wonder what makes things screwed here.
> I use mail with the classic layout and the preview pane opened so i just can 
> press VO j to view the mail.
> To me this is the easiest way to read messages.
> Is there any setting i can change in either mail or VoiceOver?
> It happens on the Eyes-free list with some mails too.
> I wonder if i should report this to apple or not.
> Thanks in advance.
> /A
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Re: Refreshable Braille devices?

[Kliphton Miller]

I doubt that the expensive ones will go away.  Yes the orbit gives a cheaper 
option, but it has been rumored to have a lot of bugs, it only connects to 1 
device at a time, and as long as state agencies are paying for there clients to 
have them, they will continue to be around.  JMO
> On Jul 25, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> The orbit reader is coming and it's going to cost £500 (nort sure what that 
> is in dollars) but it's a whole lot cheaper.  When that comes out on the 
> market, braille displays, the expensive ones may be finished!
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 24 Jul 2017, at 17:02, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Did not understand that but well, if a user is dependent on braille, that 
>> user will not feel a solidly-made braille display to be overpriced. 
>> Understand that concept? But here is the thing. How large a market do 
>> braille displays have? I dare say if if you can produce fantastic displays 
>> and sell a thousand a year, think you could sell them cheap and make a 
>> profit? Or would a million a year be more in line?
>> 
>>  I've never studied marketing and all that but can say that if a company 
>> does not make a profit, it cannot stay in business.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 7/24/2017 8:50 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> And iPhone with the braille display would be much less expensive than the 
>>> blandest waited well no takers. However, I understand people like them, I 
>>> just think they are way too costly. Just one person's opinion.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 24, 2017, at 11:43 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Les,
 Overpriced compared to? Is there a mainstream solution especially for the 
 deafblind?
 
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 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 7/24/2017 8:39 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
> Hi Mary,
> 
> In my opinion, all the no takers including the ultra or overpriced. The
> ultra the last time I checked for the 40 so my will cost her about
> $4000. Not worth it in my opinion for what you get. Anybody who buys a
> blind is no taking device is really paying premium for it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
>> If you don't want the full blown capability of a very expensive
>> blindness note taker, such as the new Polaris, you might consider the
>> varrio ultra. That has the ability to transfer files with a USB stick.
>> And it also has note taking capability. It has an excellent warranty.
>> Some people also find it more complicated than the traditional regular
>> braille displays such as the edge. They do have excellent US customer
>> support, as well as an online manual, and an active helpful email
>> list. This display comes in 20 or 40 sell links. It has a text reader,
>> word processor, PDF reader, spreadsheet viewer and others. What it
>> does not have our things like the ability to fetch email or connect to
>> the Internet. That is where you would need the full note taker, but
>> then you're also going to be paying a whole lot more. And if you're
>> good with your iPhone and your Mac, really, who needs that?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Caitlyn Furness
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Personally, I love any of the Hims devices, so these are things like
>>> the new polaris and the U2, braille sense line of products.  The
>>> braille is nice and crisp, and the devices themselves are just very
>>> well made.
>>> 
>>> I can’t speak about anything made by humanware except the brilliant,
>>> but that’s a full sized display and doesn’t have the capability to
>>> store files, just access what’s on the computer when you are hooked
>>> up to it.
>>> 
>>> I think the braille edge from Hims also works somewhat like a braille
>>> note taker, but am not sure on that.
>>> 
>>> I’ve had no troubles getting files from the mac onto the braille
>>> sense.  when I attach it to my mac with a USB cable, the device comes
>>> up like any other drive, and I can copy and paste things from one to
>>> the other, although it takes a long time.  Of course, you can also
>>> use a usb stick to transfer files, or the sd card.
>>> 
>>> HTH,