Re: [maemo-developers] Scratchbox 1.x with scirocco/mistral

2006-11-24 Thread Riku Voipio

Ilpo Stenberg wrote:
I have used scratchbox-1.0.6 (apophis) to compile couple of extra 
kernel modules
(for 2.6.16-2.6.16.rel kernel IST 2006?). I had lot of problems with 
installation -

binary tar balls didn't work, but .deb -packages did, and so on.

Can you please specify any problems you had?


http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/38-Scratchbox-Apophis-R4-released.html

(though sb-conf didn't work, but sb-menu does)
Noticed one error in that page, updated (and use 2.1 rootstraps while at 
it).


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Re: [maemo-developers] FlashPlayer and Opera updates?

2006-11-24 Thread Michael Dominic Kostrzewa
On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 10:00:59AM +, ext Simon Moore wrote:
 Thanks for that I will give it a go, although I don't hold out much 
 hope of it being good enough for what I am doing.
 
 Having real issues with Opera crashing (just closes itself) 
 particularly with Flash movies - which makes it a nightmare to 
 develop serious web apps for it (doesn't support everything we need 
 for good AJAX either!).

I have similiar (opera) problems with the latest 2006 update. I've got
the impression that the browser stability has been somehow altered.
There is no rule in the crashes but it seems to happen after going
through a few pages. 

-- 
MDK

 
 Kind Regards
 Simon
 
 At 14:08 20/11/2006, Martin Guy wrote:
 
 On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 18:26 +, ext Simon Moore wrote:
 I don't suppose there is an updated flashplayer anywhere? 7 or better
 (or source code to compile one).  All I can find is pre-compiled .SO
 for x86 Linux (7 and 9beta).
 
 A new alpha release of Gnash, the free flash player, was released two
 days ago, with mozilla/firefox and konqueror and opera plugins and a
 stand-alone player too. It's not complete yet and has bugs, but can
 play a lot of flash content. No videos yet...
 
 It just needs someone to compile it for Maemo.
 
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Re: [maemo-developers] Java on 770 (was: Unresolved issues (Week 46))

2006-11-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 18:02 +0200, Tommi Komulainen wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 15:13 +0200, ext Tommi Komulainen wrote:
* 
  http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-November/006188.html
  Java on the 770
  
  Now that Java will be put under the GPL is there any plan (from
  Nokia) to integrate it into the firmware?
 
 We don't have any plans at the moment.
 
 On personal note, if someone makes nice packages it would be easier to
 gather some community effort around Java. It would also make our lives
 easier when the question about integrating Java comes up again.

So, something for a new garage.maemo.org project. Then we can just
apt-get install it from extras.

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Re: [maemo-developers] Java on 770

2006-11-24 Thread Koen Kooi
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Murray Cumming schreef:
 On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 18:02 +0200, Tommi Komulainen wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 15:13 +0200, ext Tommi Komulainen wrote:
   * 
 http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-November/006188.html
 Java on the 770
 
 Now that Java will be put under the GPL is there any plan (from
 Nokia) to integrate it into the firmware?
 We don't have any plans at the moment.

 On personal note, if someone makes nice packages it would be easier to
 gather some community effort around Java. It would also make our lives
 easier when the question about integrating Java comes up again.
 
 So, something for a new garage.maemo.org project. Then we can just
 apt-get install it from extras.

Do we really need a garage project for something that is basically a Makefile? 
I can
already see it happening that someone is going to but the java sources in 
garage svn
because it's easier and we end up with a unmaintainable fork.
I'm all for java packages for maemo, but lets do it in a sustainable way.

regards,

Koen

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Re: [maemo-developers] Java on 770 (was: Unresolved issues (Week 46))

2006-11-24 Thread Michael Dominic Kostrzewa
BTW, we're doing some work/experimenting with the mono stack on 770. So,
most likely C#/mono will be availible on 770 before Java is. This is
thanks to the work done by lupus/Novell to get the vm working on arm. 

Also, getting java vm itself working is just the first step. It's not 
very usefull unless all the g_ bindings are there. I don't know much
about java, but I think the state of java g_ bindings is not that good 
as *-sharp bindings. 

MDK

On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 06:02:45PM +0200, ext Tommi Komulainen wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 15:13 +0200, ext Tommi Komulainen wrote:
* 
  http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-November/006188.html
  Java on the 770
  
  Now that Java will be put under the GPL is there any plan (from
  Nokia) to integrate it into the firmware?
 
 We don't have any plans at the moment.
 
 On personal note, if someone makes nice packages it would be easier to
 gather some community effort around Java. It would also make our lives
 easier when the question about integrating Java comes up again.
 
 
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Re: [maemo-developers] Java on 770

2006-11-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 11:50 +0100, Koen Kooi wrote:
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 Murray Cumming schreef:
  On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 18:02 +0200, Tommi Komulainen wrote:
  On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 15:13 +0200, ext Tommi Komulainen wrote:
* 
  http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-November/006188.html
  Java on the 770
  
  Now that Java will be put under the GPL is there any plan (from
  Nokia) to integrate it into the firmware?
  We don't have any plans at the moment.
 
  On personal note, if someone makes nice packages it would be easier to
  gather some community effort around Java. It would also make our lives
  easier when the question about integrating Java comes up again.
  
  So, something for a new garage.maemo.org project. Then we can just
  apt-get install it from extras.
 
 Do we really need a garage project for something that is basically a 
 Makefile? I can
 already see it happening that someone is going to but the java sources in 
 garage svn
 because it's easier and we end up with a unmaintainable fork.
 I'm all for java packages for maemo, but lets do it in a sustainable way.

Currently the only way to upload packages to extras (previously contrib)
is to create a garage project. But that doesn't force you to use the svn
repository in garage or otherwise fork anyone's source code.

If there's a better way to get packages into extras, I'd like to know
about it.

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Re: [maemo-developers] FlashPlayer and Opera updates?

2006-11-24 Thread Antonio Gomes

That is what I will be working on regarding minimo development for these
days.

http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/11/what-is-about-to-come.html

thoughts  ?

On 11/24/06, Simon Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


At 09:46 24/11/2006, Michael Dominic Kostrzewa wrote:
I have similiar (opera) problems with the latest 2006 update. I've got
the impression that the browser stability has been somehow altered.
There is no rule in the crashes but it seems to happen after going
through a few pages.

Did you have the problem before the latest 2006 update?

I have noticed the problem both pre and post latest update.

I would be interested in hearing other people's views on Opera's
stability. (I think it is very poor)

The latest minimo seems much better than it was when I last tested
it.  I have not had time to rigorously test it though (no support for
plugins like flash at the moment).

Perhaps Nokia could put some development time into making Minimo port
better and compile a flash player for it (version 6 would be fine)?

I have no time at the moment to try to hack something together - but
it may well be the flash .SO for Opera could be made to work for
Minimo, perhaps someone who knows more about it could indicate if it
is worth trying to do this, or whether the flash player needed to be
compiled with Minimo headers (in which case Nokia will need to do it)?

Regards
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Re: [maemo-developers] Java on 770

2006-11-24 Thread Ferenc Szekely
ext Murray Cumming wrote:
 Currently the only way to upload packages to extras (previously contrib)
 is to create a garage project. But that doesn't force you to use the svn
 repository in garage or otherwise fork anyone's source code.
 
 If there's a better way to get packages into extras, I'd like to know
 about it.
 
yes, this is all true. you need an account on garage first. then you
need an invitation from us. you can always send a mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] if you'd like to have the upload rights. with this
procedure we would like to ensure some level of quality, so we do some
reference checking before granting the access.

after receiving the invite and completing a simple web form you are
ready to go. what can be then more simple than using dput for uploading
packages? :)

Regards,
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Re: [maemo-developers] Java on 770

2006-11-24 Thread Santtu Lakkala
Michael Dominic Kostrzewa wrote:
 I find it more reasonable to port a Java widget toolkit to hildon, than
 to create a wholly new toolkit. SWT can already use Gtk, so I guess it'd
 mostly be porting the backend to use hildon widgets where applicable.
 Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean. There is, indeed, no sense in creating
 a new toolkit (for what?). What we prolly need is hildon-* bindings for
 Java and gtk bindings (I assume they exists somewhere). 

Afaik there are no Gtk bindings per se. But there is IBM's swt
toolkit, that can use Gtk as a backend. If we just make Gtk bindings, we
lose quite a lot of the reasons to use Java in the first place. If we
have our own, product specific, library for widgets, then there is a
need for porting software. Instead there should be a backend for swt (or
awt/swing) that uses hildon widgets where appropriate. This way the
program will run and look native in multitude of environments. All this
without need for modifying source or even recompiling.

 Also, it's not only about GUI toolkit but also about other API's. Ie.
 you most likely want to use gnome-vfs, dbus, gstreamer, etc. 
 Using plain SWT (even with Gtk drawing) will result in a lot of 
 inconsistencies. Ie. the input methods will not work as expected.  

Why will the input methods not work? I may be wrong on this, but I
really think they would work. But anyway, having gnome-vfs available
would be nice, but once again, if it is only used on maemo there is no
real gain from using java. For gnome-vfs, I'd say the best way is to
replace FileInputStreams with gnome-vfs implementations. Sure, then
you'd be forced to use gnome-vfs, but at least you would not need code
changes.

GStreamer is a harder one, this would probably be a nice-to-have one.
And without DBus I guess there's no way to get total integration with
rest of the system.

 With mono, the bindings exist for most of the components we use,
 although they might need some tweaking. For some custom components
 (ie. hildon-libs) we want to generate the bindings with the
 gapi-parser. This way the mono apps on 770 will have a 100% native look,
 feel and behaviour. 

Call me idealist, but in my opinion for Java (and mono) to be really
useful, the same code -- even the same binaries, should run everywhere
and look native -- without a mess of checks on what the system we're on
supports.

Oops, forgot (once again) reply-to-all and thus we were out of the list
for a couple of messages.

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[maemo-developers] Re: Java on 770

2006-11-24 Thread Ross Burton
On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 15:08 +0200, Santtu Lakkala wrote:
 Afaik there are no Gtk bindings per se. But there is IBM's swt
 toolkit, that can use Gtk as a backend.

Top hit for java gtk on Google: http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net

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Re: [maemo-developers] FlashPlayer and Opera updates?

2006-11-24 Thread Simon Moore


I am guessing for Minimo you just need to look for a certain keyboard 
key press and map it to the function to make it go full screen? And 
didn't I see some little file that gives the keyboard equivalent of 
the Hardware keys on a per application basis?


Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
Regards
Simon

At 11:42 24/11/2006, Antonio Gomes wrote:


That is what I will be working on regarding minimo development for these days.

http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/11/what-is-about-to-come.htmlhttp://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/11/what-is-about-to-come.html 



thoughts  ?

On 11/24/06, Simon Moore 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 09:46 24/11/2006, Michael Dominic Kostrzewa wrote:
I have similiar (opera) problems with the latest 2006 update. I've got
the impression that the browser stability has been somehow altered.
There is no rule in the crashes but it seems to happen after going
through a few pages.

Did you have the problem before the latest 2006 update?

I have noticed the problem both pre and post latest update.

I would be interested in hearing other people's views on Opera's
stability. (I think it is very poor)

The latest minimo seems much better than it was when I last tested
it.  I have not had time to rigorously test it though (no support for
plugins like flash at the moment).

Perhaps Nokia could put some development time into making Minimo port
better and compile a flash player for it (version 6 would be fine)?

I have no time at the moment to try to hack something together - but
it may well be the flash .SO for Opera could be made to work for
Minimo, perhaps someone who knows more about it could indicate if it
is worth trying to do this, or whether the flash player needed to be
compiled with Minimo headers (in which case Nokia will need to do it)?

Regards
Simon


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Re: [maemo-developers] Java on 770

2006-11-24 Thread klaus
Am 24 Nov 2006 um 15:08 hat Santtu Lakkala geschrieben:
 Afaik there are no Gtk bindings per se. But there is IBM's swt
 toolkit, that can use Gtk as a backend. If we just make Gtk bindings, we
 lose quite a lot of the reasons to use Java in the first place. If we
 have our own, product specific, library for widgets, then there is a
 need for porting software. Instead there should be a backend for swt (or
 awt/swing) that uses hildon widgets where appropriate. This way the

AFAIK the GNU classpath project tries to be compatible to SUN/Java's  
AWT toolkit and it is based upon the gtk toolkit. So this would be the 
way to go. 
Is the Sun/Java *ix version still Motif based? If yes,  we will have not 
much benefit of the GPL'd Sun/Java sources. Or is there anybody who 
*really* wants to run Motif apps on our small little 770?

 program will run and look native in multitude of environments. All this
 without need for modifying source or even recompiling.

Yes - this is the goal of Java. I really think there isn't much use of a gtk 
or hildon only widget set.  

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Re: [maemo-developers] Re: Java on the 770

2006-11-24 Thread Johannes Eickhold
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 15:57 +0100, Clemens Eisserer wrote:
 Furthermore I guess we would not really need Jazelle to archieve good
 performance. As far as I know Sun will release its ARM  JIT also under
 GPL which should be enough to build a high-performance CDC JVM for the
 770.

I'm an enthusiast of the Java language and was excited to read that Sun
started the phoneME community project [1] which centers around providing
the JavaME (Java Micro Edition) platform as source code compilable for
different target platforms (e.g. Linux/ARM). The 'phoneME advanced' [2]
subproject seems to be te candidate to be suited for the Nokia 770 as it
will provide the CDC [3] architecture. phoneME advanced has only one
realease yet (MR1) and starts developing on the next relase (MR2) in the
next month [5]. Documentation about how to build the Java runtime
environment and other needed parts (APIs from the different profiles) of
MR1 can be found under [6].

Maybe the Maemo SDK's ARM target in scratchbox could be used to build
'phoneME Advanced MR1 Software'. Unfortunately it seems to depend on an
available Java SE 1.4.2 on the build system to run some of the Java
Build Tools (see section 2.4.3 in [7]).

It would be nice if anybody could suggest how to proceed. After I
downloaded [8] into my scratchbox I was stuck.

Greets,
Jonek.

[1] https://phoneme.dev.java.net/
[2]
https://phoneme.dev.java.net/content/phoneme_platforms.html#phonemeadvanced
[3] http://java.sun.com/products/cdc/overview.html
[4] http://java.sun.com/javame/reference/apis.jsp#cdc
[5] https://phoneme.dev.java.net/content/phoneme_advanced_r2.html
[6] https://phoneme.dev.java.net/content/phoneme_advanced_guide.html
[7] http://java.sun.com/javame/reference/docs/cdc_build_system.pdf
[8]
http://download.java.net/mobileembedded/phoneme/advanced/phoneme_advanced-mr1-rel-src-b06-10_nov_2006.zip

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Re: [maemo-developers] FlashPlayer and Opera updates?

2006-11-24 Thread Larry Battraw

 Go for it!  :-)  I think minimo is our best hope for a truly stable
and flexible browser, given enough work.  With Opera we'll always be
wondering if and when the next release or bugfix will come out.  No
license restrictions either, so if there's ever a need to bundle
minimo we have no worries.

Larry

On 11/24/06, Antonio Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That is what I will be working on regarding minimo development for these
days.

http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/11/what-is-about-to-come.html

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[maemo-developers] J2ME on 770

2006-11-24 Thread Vipul Shingde


I am developing a p2p caching(via bluetooth) application using j2me. 
Does maemo provide support for j2me?


I am a novice user and don't have much knowledge about maemo.

Regards,
Vipul Shingde
IIT Bombay.
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[maemo-developers] Re: Troubleshooting .desktop and .service file

2006-11-24 Thread Danny Milosavljevic
Hi,

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:11:59 +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote:
[...]
 (One of the benefits of D-BUS is that other programs don't
 need to know whether your app is running, they can just
 send messages to it with D-BUS auto-invocation flag and
 D-BUS takes care that only one instance of your application
 is running.)

If you call that an advantage... It usually breaks one of the oldest and
best UNIX conventions: that the process blocks the caller until the task
is done.

I usually cite the gedit example:

1. gedit blahblah.c
2. export SVN_EDITOR=gedit
3. svn ci
4. gedit opens a tab for you to enter the commit message, while leaving
the tab blahblah.c open
5. you type your commit message
6. you close just the tab with the commit message
7. svn ci STILL hangs
8. you continue editing blahblah.c, hell breaks loose

This is one of the most horrible blunders I've
ever seen (breaking an _operating system_ behaviour assumption is about as
bad as it gets).

Then again, maybe its all in my mind :)

And I do see that maybe the memory overhead of having a
wait-until-master-is-done process that blocks until 6. happens may be too
much for an _embedded_ platform. So don't take that as a condemnation, but
just a in a perfect world statement.

And I also see that win32 users have no problem with this behaviour,
since for them it has always been that way (leading to about zero
scriptability without resorting to hacks like EnumWindows) 

cheers,
  Danny

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[maemo-developers] Re: VFS and gnome-vfs, the unequal brothers

2006-11-24 Thread Danny Milosavljevic
Hi,

My bad, so one actually _can_ access the file manager's Documents folder
from within the terminal. 

/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/ is where the Documents are.

Likewise for the Audio clips, Documents, Images, Video clips
directories. UNIX-VFS sees them as /home/user/MyDocs/.images etc.

(I'm just noting it in that detail in order to document it - the
search-the-archives way :))

I decree that whoever called that .documents (hidden from ls by
default) won the obfuscation contest, if there was one ;)

cheers,
  Danny

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Re: [maemo-developers] libosso svn up-to-date?

2006-11-24 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 13:01 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
 On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 15:04 +0300, Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote:
  On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 14:58, ext Murray Cumming wrote:
  ...
   Could you at least put together a one sentence description of what this
   module does?
  
  Ok, I'll put it to trunk. Damn, had to yield a little... :)
 
 Thanks very much. That's usefully informative:
 https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libosso/README?view=markup
 
 I am now one step closer to documenting what the Maemo modules are:
 http://www.maemo.org/maemowiki/MaemoModules/2.0

I've noticed that it's necessary to call osso_initialize() before using
any hildon-fm API. Is it also necessary to call it before using any part
of hildon-libs?

The README description doesn't really tell me either of these things:

Libosso is a wrapper library for user applications for
platform-specific,
frequently-used D-Bus services. Thus, it should not contain anything
that is not platform-specific -- ideally Libosso should not exist.


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[maemo-developers] N770

2006-11-24 Thread Saber
Hi,

is there any Nokia770 to sell? 

Thanx.








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Re: [maemo-developers] N770

2006-11-24 Thread Victor Toni

Saber wrote:

Hi,

is there any Nokia770 to sell? 


Thanx.
  


Yes. Go to:

http://europe.nokia.com/770

and hit the Buy now  button.


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[maemo-developers] Re: high speed (52/48Mhz) MMC mode added

2006-11-24 Thread Danny Milosavljevic
Hi,

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:25:57 +0200, Armin M. Warda wrote:

 On Tuesday 03 October 2006 13:18, Sascha Heid wrote:
 Works great, my 2GB Kingston goes into 4x (15.85s) and my 1GB
 Extremetech stays at 2x (29.7s).
 
 My noname 512MB MMC seems to go into 4x mode now (16.15s with your 
 recent kernel, 30.12s with your previous kernel, 58.47s with the 
 original Nokia kernel: time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/null bs=8192 
 count=10240 # read 80MB in 16s = 5MB/s).
 
 I did not notice any negative side-effect of this kernel, thus I 
 flashed it after testing. 
 
 Btw, using swap on a fast MMC is much more fun!

Too bad, with the updated IT2006 (the second IT2006), 
1) the old kernel and the new root don't boot together (endless restart
just after the startup sound)
2) even after I copy+pasted the 2.6.20 high speed MMC patch a bit to
backport it to 2.6.16, it doesn't affect anything (boots ok, works ok, but
dd is as slow as it was in the beginning)

Too bad :)

What I have so far is:

http://www.scratchpost.org/weitw/mmc4-but-doesnt-do-anything.patch

For now excuse me, I need sleeep :)

cheers,
  Danny

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[maemo-developers] xournal mime-type

2006-11-24 Thread Jorge Salamero Sanz
hi all,

i'm trying to define application/xoj so xournal can open *.xoj files from file 
manager.

i've the following /usr/share/applications/hildon/xournal.desktop :
[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Version=0.3.1
Type=Application
Name=Xournal
Comment=Notetaking tool
Exec=/usr/bin/xournal
Icon=xournal
Terminal=false
X-Window-Icon=xournal
X-Window-Icon-Dimmed=xournal
X-Osso-Service=xournal
X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true
X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable
StartupWMClass=xournal
MimeType=application/xoj;

and /usr/share/mime/packages/xournal.xml :

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
mime-info xmlns=http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/shared-mime-info;
 mime-type type=application/xoj
  glob pattern=*.xoj/
  commentXournal note/comment
 /mime-type
/mime-info

then i've done:
   update-mime-database /usr/share/mime
   update-desktop-database

now when i click on an xoj file, xournal opens but it's shown a new untitled 
file. do you know what's wrong ?

thanks !
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