Re: Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements...

2007-03-04 Thread Henri Bergius

On 3/5/07, Quim Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 17:45 +0200, ext Henri Bergius wrote:
Yes, we can have links to wiki pages. What about sanitizing
http://test.maemo.org/community/wiki/improvementideas/


Sounds good.


These pages could have a common syntax in order to identify them better
i.e. PositionAwarenessRFE, JavaRFE, WhateverRFE. Perhaps a defauilt
template would help creators of new pages. What do you think.


The wiki (both old MoinMoin and the new Midgard Wiki) supports
namespaces, so we can collect them under "RFE", so
RFE/PositionAwareness, RFE/Java etc.

By the way, the new wiki does not require us to use CamelCase, so page
names can be also just RFE/Position awareness.

Traditional wiki templates are not supported by Midgard Wiki, but
instead we can have schemas that provide different editing fields for
different things. If you add a list of what data you'd like to collect
per each RFE I can make a schema for it.


Quim Gil - http://maemo.org


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Re: Maemo roadmap, SDK improvements...

2007-03-04 Thread Quim Gil
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 17:45 +0200, ext Henri Bergius wrote:
> On 3/2/07, Johannes Eickhold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would like to know who the owner or target of a specific entry in the
> > roadmap is. E.g. Nokia employee or garage user + contact info or at
> > least a project website. It would be nice if one could get more specific
> > information on an entry this way. Could this be integrated into the
> > roadmap somehow?
> 
> How about a wiki page linked to each roadmap item?

Yes, we can have links to wiki pages. What about sanitizing
http://test.maemo.org/community/wiki/improvementideas/ (meaning cleaning
what is outdated and adding to wishlist the rest in own wiki pages per
feature) and creating new wiki pĂ ges for new features added in roadmap
or wishlist?

These pages could have a common syntax in order to identify them better
i.e. PositionAwarenessRFE, JavaRFE, WhateverRFE. Perhaps a defauilt
template would help creators of new pages. What do you think.

It will be up to the maintainers/pushers of each feature to add
background information, contacts details and more. An optional plug-in,
not a requirement and definitely not the responsibility of the roadmap
maintainers.  :)

Features requested providing a full rationale in a wiki page would have
more points to go to the roadmap, although it wouldn't be a requirement,
nor a guarantee.

> BTW, would be great to get something about position awareness into the
> roadmap. With mobile devices like N800 that'd bring interesting
> possibilities...

Do you want to betatest creating a wiki page?  :)  Seriously. The
request makes sense so I can already tell you that it will end up at
least as wishlist.

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Re: GeoClue and Summer of Code

2007-03-04 Thread Quim Gil
Good! This is a great example of how to gather ideas and suggest
mentors.

Pity that we only have got one suggestion this weekend (plus two we had
in the past days). I don't think it's worth to apply with this limited
set of ideas and mentors.

Let's wait a bit more, but the time is running and we need to send
everything this week.

By the way, Google says there is no problem for maemo to apply directly
even without having legal status per se. This is good news since we can
then avoid the hardcoded dependency to Nokia and its accountants.

On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 14:22 +0200, ext Henri Bergius wrote:
> Hi, all!
> 
> I saw Quim's post about the Google Summer of Code on maemo-developers.
> I wonder if GeoClue would be a fitting project there?

(...)
> 
> I'm quite sure both Tigert and myself would be available as mentors.

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Re: Application Manager scripting, second try

2007-03-04 Thread Kees Jongenburger

On 2/27/07, Marius Vollmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"ext Kees Jongenburger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What happens if the .install file wants to replace the uri or name
> of a catalogue?  Is this considered a security risk?

Can you elaborate, with an example maybe?

Catalogues are replaced as one unit and the user can review the
details of the new dialog when it is added (except in the card_install
interaction flow).

Hello

I am just worried. Even if people are not "bad" , it just takes one
typo in one install
to brake the system and replace the repository.maemo.org bora extra's
repository with a non working one

Idem ,. what happens if only some of the  the components are removed?

greetings
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Re: Device Soft Reset + App autostart

2007-03-04 Thread Acadia Secure Networks

Frantisek,

thanks for the tip. I assume that the disabled by default condition is 
so users do not accidently reboot their device by "trippiing" on the icon.


Best Regards,



John Holmblad



Acadia Secure Networks






[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Acadia Secure Networks wrote:

All,

it would be useful to have a GUI capability to tell the N800 OS to 
reboot without having to power down.


This is in fact implemented, but disabled by default. You can 
uncomment reboot item in /etc/systemui/systemui.xml (effective after 
next reboot). Then you see it as additional 'Reboot' item in device 
mode dialog.


Frantisek
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Re: Device Soft Reset + App autostart

2007-03-04 Thread Frantisek Dufka

Acadia Secure Networks wrote:

All,

it would be useful to have a GUI capability to tell the N800 OS to 
reboot without having to power down.


This is in fact implemented, but disabled by default. You can uncomment 
reboot item in /etc/systemui/systemui.xml (effective after next reboot). 
Then you see it as additional 'Reboot' item in device mode dialog.


Frantisek
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Re: N800 and USB host mode

2007-03-04 Thread Aaron Westerdale

Hi all

I actually sent out an email last night asking a similar question:

Hi everyone, I've read a number of emails and forum posts that talk about
using the usb to connect peripherals.  I used the flasher to enable R&D mode
and USB host mode and there are no errors.  But when I reboot and connect a
keyboard through my power booster I made, it still thinks it is just
connected to a computer.  Does the USB only work on the 770 or do I need to
do something to the kernel to get it working or do I need to do anything
else to get it working.

I have a number of things I want to use the USB port for, I just want to get
the keyboard working so I know the port is working.  I am hoping to get my
USB GPS working with one of the mapping programs and I also want to use it
to interface with a real time system I've made that would connect through a
USB to serial adapter.  But first I just want to get a keyboard working to
get through the biggest road block I see.

Thank you for any help.  If this has been discussed before I would
appreciate anyone who can point me to the discussion.

I spent most of yesterday trying to get just a keyboard working after
building a power injector.  So to the original question yes I have played
with it on the n800 but I had no luck.  I really hope we can figure this
out.  I think it will add a number of opportunities to the device.

On 3/4/07, Andreas Hubel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Zoran Kolic schrieb:
>> Has anybody played around with trying to get the N800 to support USB
>> host mode? Yes, I know that this won't work without a modified USB hub
>> to inject +5V onto the USB port.
>>
>
> Not the answer to question. Just like to get more info on the subject.
> I've found cable with 5 pins for the 770 side and two usb-s for data and
> power on the other. Powered usb hub is not hard to find. What exact file
> or files should be changed by the hand to make equivalent to flasher in
> enabling usb host mode?
>
just run flasher to see its options and your question is answered ;-)
i think it was --enable-usb-host or something like that

mfg ah

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Re: N800 and USB host mode

2007-03-04 Thread David Hagood

Andreas Hubel wrote:

Perhaps, you don't need USB as the Nokia 770 and N800 each have an
speaker and microphone. Okay the microphone at 770 has no jack, but as
far as i now at N800, but you could also use a bluetooth headset to get
a line in ;-) 

Bluetooth compresses the audio, destroying the phase relationships upon
which the data is encoded - so Bluetooth in would not work.

While one could theoretically use the N800 headphone jack to interface
to the radio, you would then have to be ABSOLUTELY certain that nothing
other than the GMFSK program were generating audio.



And as serial device you could use the serial port at the
backside pins of the device, at least for n700 the pin layout is public.


And you then have to remove the back of the unit, kludge up the serial
interface... Not exactly what I am after. What I want is a simple
package, not a Rube Goldberg device.

Additionally, eventually it would be nice to use one of the OFDM
high-bitrate modems for HF and the Speex vocoder to do digital voice
over HF - which requires both audio I/O to the radio AND audio I/O to
the user.


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Re: N800 and USB host mode

2007-03-04 Thread Andreas Hubel

Zoran Kolic schrieb:

Has anybody played around with trying to get the N800 to support USB
host mode? Yes, I know that this won't work without a modified USB hub
to inject +5V onto the USB port.



Not the answer to question. Just like to get more info on the subject.
I've found cable with 5 pins for the 770 side and two usb-s for data and
power on the other. Powered usb hub is not hard to find. What exact file
or files should be changed by the hand to make equivalent to flasher in
enabling usb host mode?
  

just run flasher to see its options and your question is answered ;-)
i think it was --enable-usb-host or something like that

mfg ah

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Re: N800 and USB host mode

2007-03-04 Thread Andreas Hubel

Perhaps, you don't need USB as the Nokia 770 and N800 each have an
speaker and microphone. Okay the microphone at 770 has no jack, but as
far as i now at N800, but you could also use a bluetooth headset to get
a line in ;-) And as serial device you could use the serial port at the
backside pins of the device, at least for n700 the pin layout is public.

but okay usb would be nicer, because it would only be one jack.

mfg ah

David Hagood schrieb:

Has anybody played around with trying to get the N800 to support USB
host mode? Yes, I know that this won't work without a modified USB hub
to inject +5V onto the USB port.

The reason I ask is that I was planning on trying to port a program
over, and I'd really like to have USB host mode support for the program
(GMFSK, a program for amateur radio operators to do digital signaling
over HF, and I really need both an extra USB audio device and a USB
serial device to get the maximum benefit out of the program.)

At first glance, it looks like building the kernel with the OMAP OTG
support might just work, but I was curious is anybody else had tried
this.


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Re: N800 and USB host mode

2007-03-04 Thread Zoran Kolic
> Has anybody played around with trying to get the N800 to support USB
> host mode? Yes, I know that this won't work without a modified USB hub
> to inject +5V onto the USB port.

Not the answer to question. Just like to get more info on the subject.
I've found cable with 5 pins for the 770 side and two usb-s for data and
power on the other. Powered usb hub is not hard to find. What exact file
or files should be changed by the hand to make equivalent to flasher in
enabling usb host mode?
Cannot say for 800 since I don't have it, but two gadgets look different in
a lot of details. Do I have a correct feeling that 800 cannot be powered
down at all?

Zoran


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