Re: SNES in 770/800
I can suggest searching for snes emulator on internettablettalk.com forum -- Antonio Hi, is anyone working on any SNES (Super Nintendo) emulator to the n770/n800? Regards, ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What's wrong with folder browsing?
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:25:04PM +0200, ext Laurent GUERBY wrote: Folder approach is intuitive, shared by all reasonable apps on all platforms Except for more or less every media player ever made (cf. iTunes). signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What's wrong with folder browsing?
Laurent GUERBY wrote: Today I installed canola. Removed it after 10 minutes. Why are developpers of media application using the scan+database based approach Try kilikali music player, if you want something simple but working: http://kilikali.garage.maemo.org/ -- Tuomas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What's wrong with folder browsing?
On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 20:45 +0300, Daniel Stone wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:25:04PM +0200, ext Laurent GUERBY wrote: Folder approach is intuitive, shared by all reasonable apps on all platforms Except for more or less every media player ever made (cf. iTunes). Amarok is frequently cited as a free software iTunes equivalent and it works *exactly* as I describe: if you want it to index you can choose what folder(s) to index, if you don't want to index you just use open and it works just like any UI standard conforming software. Intuitive, reactive and powerful. It's quite easy to find people complaining about iTunes being a ressource hog and taking forever to scan stuff. However biased it is, google itunes amarok. And I still can't honestly believe that the developpers of media software want to tell their user: oh you have a 2GB card fully of media and you want to play it on your N800? No problem! Insert it then please wait two hours ... and no sorry you can't use your N800 because it's dog slow ... then there you go! How great and easy! Spot the problem. Laurent ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What's wrong with folder browsing?
2007/5/20, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Today I installed canola. Removed it after 10 minutes. Why are developpers of media application using the scan+database based approach instead of just letting user browse folders to open the media they want? Because people are lazy and want the machine do the organizing for them. That's why we have metadata in the files, so that the user can safely keep the files in gigantic blobs and still find the correct one when they want to, without scanning the thousands of crappily named files over. So in short, because people want them to do it. That said, for an power-sensitive situation, the indexing should be very conservative (which I guess the current ones are not?). The scan+database approach: - wastes precious energy on mobile devices (99% of the scan will be wasted and I assume reading the card is not free) As I said above. - slow things down by wasting system cache (useless IO) I guess... - doesn't work at all when the user has multiple cards holding well ... media (why would one buy multiple cards otherwise?) Why not? The cards have an unique ID to which the player could link the media on it, and hide the media that's on a non-present card. Surely this is considered in any indexing system, right? ;) - doesn't work when the user reorganize its folders (start scan again) I think doesn't work is a bit strongly said here, it's just extra work... - prevents user to remove cards in use with scary messages That's bad. But I haven't seen this though, is it a common problem? - doesn't work when the card has many non media folders and files (eg: maemo mapper which is a great application) Again, IMO doesn't work is a bit off. - presents the user with an awful install experience: please wait and you can't do a thing for minutes (or hours I can't say). - is totally user-interface incoherent with about all the other apps on the device Folder approach is intuitive, shared by all reasonable apps on all platforms, doesn't waste anything and just works. It does waste the users time (in the long run), which to me seems more important than the machines time. How long before common sense returns? I bet there are players that can be used without the media library approach (like the already mentioned Kilikali), but I doubt that will be a winning trend. In fact, I expect the folder approach (as it has been since the eighties) to give away for more powerful (and yes, more power consuming at the same time) approaches like searching/indexing and contextual linking (as opposed to navigational linking). That's how the massive amounts of data on the web is handled, and that's how it is going to be on the desktop too. And, since you are not organized on the desktop, you won't be on your handheld either so But those are only my speculations naturally. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What's wrong with folder browsing?
Am Sonntag 20 Mai 2007 16:25 schrieb Laurent GUERBY: Today I installed canola. Removed it after 10 minutes. Why are developpers of media application using the scan+database based approach instead of just letting user browse folders to open the media they want? I fully agree. Thanks for your hint, you saved me some time. I find this database approach questionable on a desktop PC, and it's certainly complete crap on a device like the 770/800. Hans ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What's wrong with folder browsing?
On Sun, 2007-05-20 at 22:31 +0300, Kalle Vahlman wrote: 2007/5/20, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Today I installed canola. Removed it after 10 minutes. Why are developpers of media application using the scan+database based approach instead of just letting user browse folders to open the media they want? Because people are lazy and want the machine do the organizing for them. That's why we have metadata in the files, so that the user can safely keep the files in gigantic blobs and still find the correct one when they want to, without scanning the thousands of crappily named files over. Note that I don't say the indexing isn't useful If you want indexing for the user just add a add media directory to index option and let user open index files. I'm saying proposing *only* indexing (and total from / indexing...) is completely wrong. Indexing *is* of course useful (especially when meta data is present), I fully agree with you on that. But so is being to use the software on a mobility device without waiting two hours :). Laurent ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: What's wrong with folder browsing?
Hi, ext Kalle Vahlman wrote: Folder approach is intuitive, shared by all reasonable apps on all platforms, doesn't waste anything and just works. It does waste the users time (in the long run), which to me seems more important than the machines time. It pretty much depends on the user and if there are mp3-tags present on the files, I would like to have both ways available because: I happen to have a tag-messy music library (which is organized to folders, which is not my fault - I have done a lots of work to make compilations of various mp3-files I have got from my artist friends, but the tags being inconsistent is the fault of the author and encoder of the mp3-files) because my library consists of mostly indie music done by some friends. Obviously there are no mp3-tags on place and the files are organized with folders only (as the author of the file haven't been too interested to put the tags on place especially if the file is unfinished track that is just given out for review-listening), playing full albums (which are based on these files without mp3-tags or varying mp3-tags like Track 1 Fin:Greenblue 1 Track 2 fin: Green blue 2 Track 3 FIN: Blue Green3 Track 4 Christian Worton:greenblue 4 Track 5 Fin: Greenblue 5 Track 6: Unknown artist:Green Blue 6 ... and so forth. This ends up being several artists and several albums on system which blindly indexes the files based on the mp3 tags, which is pretty problematic and which isn't my fault as listener and it makes me pretty confused. The only solution currently to my understanding, in media players only supporting mp3-tag based organization is to play the files one by one which is not so nice for listening to background music. Now I could imagine a brilliant tool that would sort of solve this problem: A program or script that would run on linux and which would go and scan all the subfolders in the media folder and put the tags to the mp3-files on place so that the album name would be created from the folder name and the track name from the filename. Obviously it should do this without re-encoding the files (since re-encoding would degrade sound quality in lossy compression). If such tool already exists, I would love to hear where I can get it, I would really need one since I can't really blame the various authors of my mp3-collection since if I am getting better indie music than commercial music is for free, I can't really complain, having inconsistent mp3-tags is small issue taken in account that the music is superb quality, glitches on tags, but no glitches on music! Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
