RE: Socket Programming on Maemo

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

When talking about 'sockets', I assume you want to program in C/C++;
as a quick tutoria, Beej's Guide to Network Programming can be helpful: 
http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/ 

--Dirk.




From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org
[mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext Merrick
Fonnesbeck
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 23:31
To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: Socket Programming on Maemo



Hey guys, how is socket programming done on the N800 / N810?
What libraries do you use and how is it done?  Is there any examples
somewhere that I can learn from or a how-to article that any one knows
of?  I'd like to open an outside connection to another computer and
communicate with it using sockets and also open a web page using sockets
through a maemo application and download information from that page.
Thanks for any help.

Merrick 


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RE: [Maemo newbiew] run-standaline.sh

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 15:25
To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
Subject: [Maemo newbiew] run-standaline.sh



Hi all,
New to Maemo.  What is the difference that we see if we run the
program in scratch box with run-standline.sh and without
run-standline.sh?.. Is that documented anywhere?.


Regards,
Ramprakash Jelari. 



You mean run-standalone.sh? For educational purposes it's best if you do
'less /usr/bin/run-standalone.sh' yourself.

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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RE: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Hi Dave, 

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Neary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Dave Neary

> I hope this doesn't get taken too badly...

no worries...
 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > The Modest development team is very busy with feature
> > development
> > and bug fixes, and admittedly, after that there's not s 
> much time
> > left
> > for interacting with the community. That's a sad fact. 
> 
> The problem I have seen in the past is that when developers 
> and project
> managers think of "interacting with the community" as a separate task,
> it doesn't get done.
> 
> Open development is interacting with the community already, surely?
> 
> If developers of a free software program are using a public 
> mailing list
> to discuss features, a public bugzilla to handle bug reports, and
> perhaps an IRC channel or Jabber chat room for real-time interaction,
> then interacting with the commuinity is not a task to do, it is a side
> effect of product development.
> 
> Would it be possible for the Modest team to exclusively use 
> the external
> bugzilla, given that it's a free software project?

It would be very nice from the community perspective, very much so,
and of course it would make open development much easier as well. 

But, internally, the development process is highly regulated, and tools
like bugzilla play different roles than they do outside -- trust me
on that one. Modest has to satisfy both of its natures, with 
the internal one getting the most emphasis, for very pedestrian 
reasons...

So, while I agree that it would be nice to have one open bugzilla, 
I do not see that happening anytime soon.

Best wishes,
Dirk.


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RE: On the problem of Nokia bugs substituting changelogs

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Hi Ryan, 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Quim Gil

> ext Ryan Abel wrote:
> > itT user free was kind enough to compile what basically amounts to a
> > changelog for 4.2008.30-2[1] 

> > [2]Actually, let me take this opportunity to CALL OUT the Modest
> > developers for very poor communication with the community for a
> > supposedly "open source" project. Their component on 
> Bugzilla seems to
> > be virtually barren of real Modest-developer participation, and one
> > only seems to be able to elicit a response from any of them when
> > they're practically cornered on significant bugs. This is very
> > unfortunate for what I hope will become a very cool, 
> lightweight, and
> > open source email client. . . . :(
> 
> An explanation here could be a coincidence of factors: Dirk was the
> project manager and was quite open about the development, blogging and
> stuff - but he changed his role at Nokia and now is elsewhere. Most of
> the core development was/is done out of Nokia. Philip can 
> answer for any
> tinymail related stuff since he is public upstream but the Modest
> implementation is upstream itself and open source, but 
> developed through
> traditional contractual relations.
> 
> Another lesson to learn here. If any Modest developer (or any Nokia
> subcontractor) reading this has ideas for improvement please let us/me
> know. Thanks again.

Thanks Quim -- to add to that; I still keep an eye on Modest
development,
applying the occasional parch (as I did this morning).

Anyhow, regarding Bugzilla - we do look at it, but as Quim explains, it
takes quite some acrobatics to take care of both internal and external
worlds. The Modest development team is very busy with feature
development
and bug fixes, and admittedly, after that there's not s much time
left
for interacting with the community. That's a sad fact. 

But, in the end, we are really trying to produce the best possible
e-mail
client, no matter what. We really appreciate the feedback through
bugzilla
and elsewhere. And if you have any specific issue, please mail me
directly,
let's see what we can do.

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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RE: Some (easy?) problems with GTK+/Hildon

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Hi Christian,
 
Eveything works fine and I get my window... but.. when i try to create
another window, with the last two lines repeated, something goes wrong.
Actually I get a window and eveything seems to work fine in GUI, but in
the console it says:

main[4419]: GLIB WARNING ** Gdk - gdkdrawable-x11.c:878 drawable is not
a pixmap or window

And thats very annoying as I use the console for other stuff. I can't
figure out what I'm doing wrong what I shall do to avoid the warning
messages. Maybe someone knowns?

I also get _exactly_ the same warning a lot of other times in the
application, but I guess the best solution is just to comment out
everything else and try to solve the problem the first time it occurs in
my application.
 
That's an annoying but harmless warning actually; it's about Hildon/Gtk
being too picky . 
rumour has it that this is being fixed, but I'm not sure when this will
be released.
 
Best wishes,
Dirk.
 
 
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RE: Trying to build modest

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Hi Luca, 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext 
> Luca Donaggio
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:55
> To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
> Subject: Re: Trying to build modest
> 
> I know that modest is not yet ready for general audience, but 
> it would be extremely useful if at least an 
> alfa-testing-unstable-usatyourownrisk armel debian package 
> would be made avilable!

We're working on that -- hopefully it will happen in the next
couple of weeks. I'll send a note to maemo-developers.

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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RE: Trying to build modest

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Hi Steve, 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

>   I'm trying to build modest from their SVN repository, 
> and they Build-Depends on two packages that I can't find in 
> your maemo3.0 or
> maemo3.2 repository. Even Google has let me down! I was 
> hoping you would be able to point me in the right direction.
> 
>   The two packages in question are osso-systemui-dbus-dev 
> and libosso-abook-dev. These are of course binary Debian 
> packages, I was hoping to be pointed at the Debian source 
> packages for the two binary packages.

Thanks for the info -- sometimes the various distros confuse
even Nokias themselves :)

We're looking into this, I'll send a msg to maemo-developers
when things are working again -- hopefully this week.

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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RE: Maemo SDK and Debian 64 bits

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Hi David,

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext 
>David Hautbois
>Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 21:46
>To: Maemo developers mailing-list
>Subject: Maemo SDK and Debian 64 bits
>
>Hi
>Does the maemo SDK work fine with a 64 bits linux distribution ?
>
>On the maemo web site, we can read :
>
>* Intel compatible x86 processor, 500 MHz or faster
>* 256 MB RAM or more
>* 2 GB free hard disk space
>* Linux OS (Debian  or Ubuntu
>   are recommended, but other fairly recent
>  distributions should also work)
>
>
>Does it include X86_64 ?

At least, I am running the SDK on my Ubuntu/Feisty AMD64 system without
any problems. I created a chroot environment to install the SDK in the 
32-bit environment.

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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RE: Standard widget spacing and padding?

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Hi all, 

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext 
>Murray Cumming
>Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 16:12
>To: maemo-developers
>Subject: Re: Standard widget spacing and padding?
>
>On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 18:11 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
>> I can't find anything in the various Maemo documents about the 
>> standard spacing that Maemo applications should have between 
>and around widgets.
>> For instance, for the GNOME HIG, this is usually 6 pixels between 
>> widgets and 12 pixels padding around the window:
>> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design-window.html
>>   
>> This seems like something that should be in the Maemo porting guide 
>> 
>http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_porting_to_maemo_bora.
>> html
>> as well as the UI specification:
>> http://www.maemo.org/community/hildon_ui.html
>
>Anyone? I'm sure that Nokia has some kind of standard 
>somewhere for this.

When asked, I got the following, which should be ok as a rule of thumb.

logical margins:
MARGIN_DEFAULT 6 px Typically between a text element and a graphic 
MARGIN_DOUBLE 12 px Typically between two text elements 
MARGIN_TRIPLE 18 px Typically between larger areas 
MARGIN_HALF3 px Used in special occasions with limited space
available

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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RE: announcing the modest email project

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Hi Larry, Kemal, 

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Kemal 
>Hadimli

>Great news! Though https://garage.maemo.org/projects/modest/
>gives me a "permission denied" :)


>-Original Message-
>From: ext Larry Battraw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> Very exciting news!  I know the community has been hoping 
>we'd have a sponsored alternative to the existing email 
>client.  First things
>first-- when checking out via svn I use my garage user name 
>and password because it requires a login.  I get a 403 
>forbidden error, so is there another login/password I should be using?
>
>Thanks-
>Larry

Whoopsie! It should work now though.

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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announcing the modest email project

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Dear all,

"modest" is an experimental little email client with gtk (desktop) 
and maemo frontends, and it uses tinymail (www.tinymail.org) as its 
backend.

After being vaporware and inactive for quite some time, in the last 
months we have started working on it again. And now we make it available

for developers as open-source software (the license is BSD'ish,
please check the sources for details).
 
modest is far from finished -- we have written a lot of the Lego 
bricks, but there is a lot of work left finishing them and glueing 
them together. Many things don't work, and we're only at the start 
of turning this into a usable e-mail client. "Release early, release 
often", and bear with us while we turn this into something 
useful.

Check the webpage: http://modest.garage.maemo.org which has all the 
information and SVN-links. Of course, we're very interested in
your comments, suggestions and... contributions.

Best wishes,
Dirk.

PS: if you want to chat about this, you can catch me at the FOSDEM 
conference in Brussels, this weekend.
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RE: [maemo-developers] Maemo alarms ==> retutime

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

Hi Chris, 

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Chris Lord
>Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 16:34
>To: Nils Faerber
>Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org
>Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Maemo alarms
>
>On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 11:33 +0200, Nils Faerber wrote:
>> > Are there any header files/libraries available that provide this 
>> > functionality that I'm missing? The Clock application has the 
>> > ability to set alarms that wake the device, so it must be possible.

The setting of alarms is done through a small cmdline tool called
"retutime".
There has been some discussion about it before, google is your friend
:-)

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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RE: [maemo-developers] Optimized memory copying functions for Nokia770

[Dirk-Jan.Binnema]

T 

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext 
>Tomas Frydrych
>Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:23
>To: maemo-developers@maemo.org
>Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Optimized memory copying 
>functions for Nokia770
>
>There seems to be no source for the functions in the tarball.

The implementation is in macros in the .h file.

Best wishes,
Dirk.
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