Re: [maemo-developers] What will be your next Maemo device
Hi, On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 16:29 +0100, ext Erik Bågfors wrote: My first thinking when it comes to this is to port maemo to an existing machine, such as a IPAQ which already runs linux and today GPE. Sounds like a great idea. Did anyone out there give it a try already? But Maemo is so much nicer than GPE. Working on both Maemo and GPE, I won't comment this ;) (besides that each could learn from the other at several levels) I extended a bit the list with more thoughts, see http://maemo.org/maemowiki/MaemoScalability Br, luc The screen is really different on the IPAQ and the 770. And changing the orientation between landscape or not, is very important on the IPAQ. /Erik 2005/12/20, Luc Pionchon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, What will be your next Maemo device? I do not know, really. My major concern is, will Maemo be ready for it? Bigger screen? Smaller like S60 phones? Two screens like Communicators? Landscape? Portrait? What's about input methods? A full keyboard? A reduced keyboard like standard phones? Or an improved virtual keyboard? What's about dedicated hardware buttons? And Softkeys? 2 like phones? 4 like Communicators? More? Oh! Shall we play more with available technology? Rotate and resize on the fly? Display migration? Applications should reorganize their layout depending of the screen(s) configuration. Can we reasonably use SVG icons? OK, I stop here. You got my point. Whatever is the device of your dreams, we want to be ready to support it by making Maemo as scalable as possible. Let's stretch, shrink, whirl, squeeze Maemo UI! Here is a raw list of technical items related to scalability. Feel free to experiment, comment and extend! http://maemo.org/maemowiki/MaemoScalability Br, luc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] What will be your next Maemo device
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luc Pionchon wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 16:29 +0100, ext Erik Bågfors wrote: My first thinking when it comes to this is to port maemo to an existing machine, such as a IPAQ which already runs linux and today GPE. Sounds like a great idea. Did anyone out there give it a try already? It's as easy as pointing $DISPLAY to your handheld: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/blog/pyblosxom.cgi/2005/May/29 regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDqVi+MkyGM64RGpERAveKAJ9b9K8gIy1y2ePBylxVtUHCY4YlUACeIg1e C6JzxrdrXmck7OPHZYMqBZ0= =Vc2D -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] What will be your next Maemo device
Right, you don't even need the Zaurus for that ... just change your Xephyr resolution to 640x480 and you'll see the same effect (makes it easier for developers to see the problem). rusty On 12/21/05, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Luc Pionchon wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 16:29 +0100, ext Erik Bågfors wrote: My first thinking when it comes to this is to port maemo to an existing machine, such as a IPAQ which already runs linux and today GPE. Sounds like a great idea. Did anyone out there give it a try already? It's as easy as pointing $DISPLAY to your handheld: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/blog/pyblosxom.cgi/2005/May/29 regards, Koen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDqVi+MkyGM64RGpERAveKAJ9b9K8gIy1y2ePBylxVtUHCY4YlUACeIg1e C6JzxrdrXmck7OPHZYMqBZ0= =Vc2D -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] What will be your next Maemo device
Hi, that an interesting screenshot because it illustrates some basic scalablility issues even at 640x480 which isn't that different from the 770. Is there anything that couldn't be fixed just by finetuning the theme files i.e. without touching any code? The titlebar is just single large image. By: - changing titlebar gfx to uglier tiled one, and - setting statusbar panel to more suitable position in the Matchbox theme should fix the most obvious problems. There would still be the problem that application title will have very little space to show the text. Porting Maemo to a common 240x320 PDA will be challenging I think you'll need completely new application layouts, or in case the physical screen size is the same, just make the font much smaller and fine-tune the theme files. - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] What will be your next Maemo device
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, that an interesting screenshot because it illustrates some basic scalablility issues even at 640x480 which isn't that different from the 770. Is there anything that couldn't be fixed just by finetuning the theme files i.e. without touching any code? The titlebar is just single large image. By: - changing titlebar gfx to uglier tiled one, and - setting statusbar panel to more suitable position in the Matchbox theme should fix the most obvious problems. There would still be the problem that application title will have very little space to show the text. Porting Maemo to a common 240x320 PDA will be challenging I think you'll need completely new application layouts, or in case the physical screen size is the same, just make the font much smaller and fine-tune the theme files. If maemo had a notion of DPI this would be much easier, but as Tommi pointed out, requires us to fix most of the internets css files :( regards, Koen - Eero ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDqXRiMkyGM64RGpERAvzwAKCOvxnmexTQ4AmJ0VEVtFXEqBU35gCeNLT7 7TE72WvHWxcxd8WWU4RsxwA= =kGX6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] What will be your next Maemo device
On 12/21/05, Luc Pionchon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi koen, rusty, You are correct regarding UI and screen size. It shows where it breaks. (There is no surprised here). But *porting* Maemo to other devices will show assumptions based on 770 others than just screen size, we may have surprises. +1 While I think that we should think general, I also think that we should work on problems when we come to them. Right now maemo have other kind of problems that we may solve, some are general and will help other fronts, like making things a bit faster and better PIM and its integration with various desktops and operating systems. OT: I'm going nuts until my device doesn't arrives!!! I want to give it a try with PIM and help out with problems... I really want to replace my Palm Vx with something better! And as I'll be in vacation for about 2 months, I'll have much time to work on this! -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -- Computer Engineer 2001 - UNICAMP Mobile: +55 (19) 9165 8010 Phone: +1 (347) 624 6296; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 17249123 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 0xB640E1A2 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
[maemo-developers] What will be your next Maemo device
Hi, What will be your next Maemo device? I do not know, really. My major concern is, will Maemo be ready for it? Bigger screen? Smaller like S60 phones? Two screens like Communicators? Landscape? Portrait? What's about input methods? A full keyboard? A reduced keyboard like standard phones? Or an improved virtual keyboard? What's about dedicated hardware buttons? And Softkeys? 2 like phones? 4 like Communicators? More? Oh! Shall we play more with available technology? Rotate and resize on the fly? Display migration? Applications should reorganize their layout depending of the screen(s) configuration. Can we reasonably use SVG icons? OK, I stop here. You got my point. Whatever is the device of your dreams, we want to be ready to support it by making Maemo as scalable as possible. Let's stretch, shrink, whirl, squeeze Maemo UI! Here is a raw list of technical items related to scalability. Feel free to experiment, comment and extend! http://maemo.org/maemowiki/MaemoScalability Br, luc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] What will be your next Maemo device
My first thinking when it comes to this is to port maemo to an existing machine, such as a IPAQ which already runs linux and today GPE. But Maemo is so much nicer than GPE. The screen is really different on the IPAQ and the 770. And changing the orientation between landscape or not, is very important on the IPAQ. /Erik 2005/12/20, Luc Pionchon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, What will be your next Maemo device? I do not know, really. My major concern is, will Maemo be ready for it? Bigger screen? Smaller like S60 phones? Two screens like Communicators? Landscape? Portrait? What's about input methods? A full keyboard? A reduced keyboard like standard phones? Or an improved virtual keyboard? What's about dedicated hardware buttons? And Softkeys? 2 like phones? 4 like Communicators? More? Oh! Shall we play more with available technology? Rotate and resize on the fly? Display migration? Applications should reorganize their layout depending of the screen(s) configuration. Can we reasonably use SVG icons? OK, I stop here. You got my point. Whatever is the device of your dreams, we want to be ready to support it by making Maemo as scalable as possible. Let's stretch, shrink, whirl, squeeze Maemo UI! Here is a raw list of technical items related to scalability. Feel free to experiment, comment and extend! http://maemo.org/maemowiki/MaemoScalability Br, luc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
