Re: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: > I am sure I have the best understanding of the global market trends in > multitouch, gesture recognition, 3D human interfaces and other emerging > technologies There's the problem right there... -- Aj. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
Don't be silly Andre. Links should provide one claiming any infringement. This is just how patent law works. So it's exactly me awaiting such links making such claimed infringement to let me answer in full details. I file patent applications at USPTO from time to time and have to work really hard to make a query of millions referenced materials, technical literature links and more. It takes a lot of time, group and single work. Not really easy. To learn more visit Invention University or join Inventors Usenet Group. I have spent 25 years in the business so there is no way to give one line answer in one minute. Visit my Semantic WWW Magazines ( to learn more) Global Inventions Patents http://groups.google.com/group/global-inventions-patents?hl=en Tesla Inventions http://groups.google.com/group/tesla-inventions?hl=en and more Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/iDarius --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 8:22 PM > Dnia 2008-09-05, pią o godzinie 17:03 +, Darius Jack > pisze: > > I have carefully analyzed patent applications by Apple > and full-text patents granted to Apple > > and there is nothing what can be infringed with > another multitouch solution by Nokia, Samsung, Google or > others. > > Just learn to read patent law and patent full texts. > > If you are unwilling or unable to provide explicit links > and underline > your arguments, then please refrain from spreading > uncertainty and > doubt. > Keeping a discussion vague by refusing to provide > background does not > help anybody if you are *really* willing to discuss those > topics. > > Thanks, > andre > -- > Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
--- On Fri, 5/9/08, Simon Pickering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Simon Pickering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org > Date: Friday, 5 September, 2008, 7:21 PM > >> Someone else mentioned possible patent > infringements, I > >> don't know how much > >> of a factor this is. > > > > Who said so ? > > What parent infringements ? > > I have carefully analyzed patent applications by Apple > and full-text > > patents granted to Apple > > and there is nothing what can be infringed with > another multitouch > > solution by Nokia, Samsung, Google or others. > > Just learn to read patent law and patent full texts. > > Great, I have some experience with reading patents (mainly > for > Jazelle), could you give us the patent numbers (preferably > US patents > so we can use the Google search) so we can also look at > them? Wrong. You don't have any experience with reading patents. There is a nice interface at USPTO to visit one day. > > >> putting together good > >> business cases to say how multi-touch will be > beneficial > > ask Steve Jobs > > I don't have his email; do you? You may call his secretary. > > >> No-one is stopping you, in fact if you can get the > >> non-multitouch resistive > >> screen to produce useful > "multitouch-like" > >> behaviour, which is what Gary > >> (lcuk) has been looking at, I'm sure we'll > all be > >> very pleased. > > > > Who is Gary ? > > Gary is lcuk on IRC. Thanks. http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/page/3/ " Gary Birkett (better known on IRC as lcuk) gave a short talk on how and why he got involved in memo.org - an interesting perspective on motivations of volunteers, and a classic “scratching your own itch” situation. He’s developed a text reader which works in full-screen, and has smooth scrolling with finger & stylus (like the iPhone). " Darius > > Cheers, > > > Simon Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
>> Someone else mentioned possible patent infringements, I >> don't know how much >> of a factor this is. > > Who said so ? > What parent infringements ? > I have carefully analyzed patent applications by Apple and full-text > patents granted to Apple > and there is nothing what can be infringed with another multitouch > solution by Nokia, Samsung, Google or others. > Just learn to read patent law and patent full texts. Great, I have some experience with reading patents (mainly for Jazelle), could you give us the patent numbers (preferably US patents so we can use the Google search) so we can also look at them? >> putting together good >> business cases to say how multi-touch will be beneficial > ask Steve Jobs I don't have his email; do you? >> No-one is stopping you, in fact if you can get the >> non-multitouch resistive >> screen to produce useful "multitouch-like" >> behaviour, which is what Gary >> (lcuk) has been looking at, I'm sure we'll all be >> very pleased. > > Who is Gary ? Gary is lcuk on IRC. Cheers, Simon ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
--- On Thu, 4/9/08, Simon Pickering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Simon Pickering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], maemo-developers@maemo.org > Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 5:13 PM > > I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo > developers > > showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and > showing > > interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. > > I think Igor was fairly explicit in what he said, > capacitive multi-touch was > not very precise, therefore a resistive screen was chosen. > This is fine by > me as I do want to have very find control over where I > click with my stylus. > Someone else mentioned possible patent infringements, I > don't know how much > of a factor this is. Who said so ? What parent infringements ? I have carefully analyzed patent applications by Apple and full-text patents granted to Apple and there is nothing what can be infringed with another multitouch solution by Nokia, Samsung, Google or others. Just learn to read patent law and patent full texts. > > I'm not sure anything we say will affect this, You don't have to be sure but we should discusss state-of-the-art. Apple's iPhone is great market success and who is to blame not to make Maemo community projects such a success 3 years ago ? though > putting together good > business cases to say how multi-touch will be beneficial ask Steve Jobs > (and being explicit > about how) would probably be a good start (in the same way > that we have been > justifying why the PowerVR driver should be released, etc., > on the wiki). > > > Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best > to > > make iPhone No.1 gizmo. > > Not through their discussion of multi-touch mind you :) No discussion = no ideas. Multitouch interfaces discussion is pending for years. > > > Multitouch is hot and market added value. > > You can try to stop multitouch development but please > offer > > something better. > > No-one is stopping you, in fact if you can get the > non-multitouch resistive > screen to produce useful "multitouch-like" > behaviour, which is what Gary > (lcuk) has been looking at, I'm sure we'll all be > very pleased. Who is Gary ? > > Cheers, > > > Simon Darius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
--- On Thu, 4/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not > To: "Darius Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "maemo-developers@maemo.org" > Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 8:49 PM > On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: > > > I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo > developers > > showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and > showing interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. > > > > Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best > to make iPhone No.1 gizmo. > > But (to loosely paraphrase a famous Monty Python sketch) a > discussion > isn't merely contradiction. > > I think you're mistaken if you think that shouting loud > enough on > this mailing list (and annoying everyone in the process) > will make Nokia > produce an iPhone-like multitouch device. Mayby yes, mayby no. As Quim pointed out, Nokia VIPs show no much interest in what Maemo community has to say. > > By all means discuss (properly) but be respectful of others > (who may have > a better understanding of the issues than you do. There is no such quality like better understanding of the issues if the issues have not been discussed yet. I am sure I have the best understanding of the global market trends in multitouch, gesture recognition, 3D human interfaces and other emerging technologies and I can prove what I say and what said before (not in public place of course). > > > -- > Aj. Darius http://www.tinyurl.com/iDarius Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
Hi, ext Simon Pickering wrote: > I'm not sure anything we say will affect this, though putting together good > business cases to say how multi-touch will be beneficial (and being explicit > about how) would probably be a good start (in the same way that we have been > justifying why the PowerVR driver should be released, etc., on the wiki). The cases are different. The PowerVR issue could be solved with software for the current hardware while the multitouch you are talking about here depends on a different hardware. Hardware decisions are made at another level inside Nokia and I don't think the decision makers need more input from the Maemo community in addition to all the sources of input they already have. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: > I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo developers > showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and showing interest to have > maemo no-multitouch in next years. > > Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best to make iPhone No.1 > gizmo. But (to loosely paraphrase a famous Monty Python sketch) a discussion isn't merely contradiction. I think you're mistaken if you think that shouting loud enough on this mailing list (and annoying everyone in the process) will make Nokia produce an iPhone-like multitouch device. By all means discuss (properly) but be respectful of others (who may have a better understanding of the issues than you do. -- Aj. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
> I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo developers > showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and showing > interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. I think Igor was fairly explicit in what he said, capacitive multi-touch was not very precise, therefore a resistive screen was chosen. This is fine by me as I do want to have very find control over where I click with my stylus. Someone else mentioned possible patent infringements, I don't know how much of a factor this is. I'm not sure anything we say will affect this, though putting together good business cases to say how multi-touch will be beneficial (and being explicit about how) would probably be a good start (in the same way that we have been justifying why the PowerVR driver should be released, etc., on the wiki). > Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best to > make iPhone No.1 gizmo. Not through their discussion of multi-touch mind you :) > Multitouch is hot and market added value. > You can try to stop multitouch development but please offer > something better. No-one is stopping you, in fact if you can get the non-multitouch resistive screen to produce useful "multitouch-like" behaviour, which is what Gary (lcuk) has been looking at, I'm sure we'll all be very pleased. Cheers, Simon ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Moderator speak up - is maemo multitouch thread ok or not
I am really surprised, there is a small group of maemo developers showing interest not to discuss maemo multitouch and showing interest to have maemo no-multitouch in next years. Quite contrary to iPhone developers , doing their best to make iPhone No.1 gizmo. Multitouch is hot and market added value. You can try to stop multitouch development but please offer something better. Darius --- On Thu, 4/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Nokia - lost second chance - another multitouch by Apple patented > To: "Darius Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "maemo-developers@maemo.org" > Date: Thursday, 4 September, 2008, 3:16 PM > On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Darius Jack wrote: > > > COULD YOU STOP SPAMMING THIS LIST ? THANKS ! > > > Instead of just arguing (which is quite annoying BTW), why > dont you write > some code or take your comments offlist? This tirade serves > no purpose. > > > -- > A Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
