Re: [maemo-developers] Apt-got my way into a reboot loop??
Also sprach Jason Mills ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): * Use `flasher` to -enable- RD mode * Use `flasher` to -disable- the watchdog timers (IIRC I disabled two of them) * Allow the N770 to boot normally * Bring up your 802.11b/g network * Spawn an xterm window * Gain root * Complete the apt-get upgrade Could anybody verify this procedure? I could not, but I don't know exactly which watchdog timers you mentioned. (I used: --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset,no-usb-timeout, but still any attempt to dpkg --configure maemo-launcher makes the X unusable. Did you do the repairing steps over ssh? Cheers, Michael ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Apt-got my way into a reboot loop??
newp... I completed them on local (physical) console. It's tough to reproduce again, since I can't easily re-brick my '770. Sorry, -JMills -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael Steinmetz Sent: Fri 21-Jul-06 11:29 To: maemo-dev List Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Apt-got my way into a reboot loop?? Also sprach Jason Mills ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): * Use `flasher` to -enable- RD mode * Use `flasher` to -disable- the watchdog timers (IIRC I disabled two of them) * Allow the N770 to boot normally * Bring up your 802.11b/g network * Spawn an xterm window * Gain root * Complete the apt-get upgrade Could anybody verify this procedure? I could not, but I don't know exactly which watchdog timers you mentioned. (I used: --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset,no-usb-timeout, but still any attempt to dpkg --configure maemo-launcher makes the X unusable. Did you do the repairing steps over ssh? Cheers, Michael ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Apt-got my way into a reboot loop??
Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: $./flasher-2.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard -reset may be a solution which I havent yet tried. I guess that's supposed to work at least at some point, given the whole Sardine thing basically depends on it... Haven't tested it though. Yes, the no-lifeguard-reset flag will disable the rebooting (except hardware watchdogs). Of course it's not going to fix the cause of the reboot, so something will be seriously broken. But hopefully X will start and the device is still somehow usable. -- Kalle Valo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Apt-got my way into a reboot loop??
2006/7/19, Thanos Panousis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello again list, I just survived a reboot loop the the device got into, after reflashing the firmware. After setting EVERYTHING up again, the same situation: After finishing all the configuration and getting back to development, I: 1. added some repositories 2.through ssh as root I did an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade 3. first time it failed, since I didnt have various binary utilis in the root's path (isnt this a bug? why should I have to append stuff to roots $PATH?) I think the official take on that would be that you shouldn't _be_ root in the first place ;) 4. After fixing $PATH, the configuration/installation started happily. Various packages needed upgrading. Only to stop during mid-flight, cause the nokia decided to reboot. And from then on, constantly rebooting. Why on earth is this happening, and why does it not happen to everybody doing software updates? I'm hearing quite the opposite, people do get bootloops by doing sw updates. Upgrading certain packages stops services the system deems as critical causing it to reboot (and leaving the packages broken I guess). Is there something I can do except from reflashing and NEVER again try to apt-get upgrade? Considering that AFAIK apt-get upgrades not (currently) supported at all by Nokia, not really. -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Apt-got my way into a reboot loop??
Is there anyway to tell the system to stop caring so much about system-critical services? I mean, the only to upgrade those is to flash new firmware? Certainly this is not convenient. $./flasher-2.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-resetmay be a solution which I havent yet tried.I 'm sorry for the frustrated post, getting the development environment broken while in the middle of something is not much fun..:)On 7/19/06, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:2006/7/19, Thanos Panousis [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Hello again list, I just survived a reboot loop the the device got into, after reflashing the firmware. After setting EVERYTHING up again, the same situation: After finishing all the configuration and getting back to development, I: 1. added some repositories 2.through ssh as root I did an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade 3. first time it failed, since I didnt have various binary utilis in the root's path (isnt this a bug? why should I have to append stuff to roots $PATH?)I think the official take on that would be that you shouldn't _be_root in the first place ;) 4. After fixing $PATH, the configuration/installation started happily. Various packages needed upgrading. Only to stop during mid-flight, cause the nokia decided to reboot. And from then on, constantly rebooting.Why on earth is this happening, and why does it not happen to everybody doing software updates?I'm hearing quite the opposite, people do get bootloops by doing sw updates. Upgrading certain packages stops services the system deems ascritical causing it to reboot (and leaving the packages broken Iguess). Is there something I can do except from reflashing and NEVER again try to apt-get upgrade? Considering that AFAIK apt-get upgrades not (currently) supported atall by Nokia, not really.--Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Apt-got my way into a reboot loop??
2006/7/19, Thanos Panousis [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there anyway to tell the system to stop caring so much about system-critical services? I mean, the only to upgrade those is to flash new firmware? Certainly this is not convenient. $./flasher-2.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard -reset may be a solution which I havent yet tried. I guess that's supposed to work at least at some point, given the whole Sardine thing basically depends on it... Haven't tested it though. I 'm sorry for the frustrated post, getting the development environment broken while in the middle of something is not much fun..:) Yeah, it's a bit annoying to supposedly have the convenience of apt-get but not really :) -- Kalle Vahlman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Apt-got my way into a reboot loop??
I bricked my N770 temporarily this way over the weekend. What ends up happening is one of the watchdog timers fails to fire on-time due to cpu load (not sure what specific process was unhappy). To fix it (without data loss): * Use `flasher` to -enable- RD mode * Use `flasher` to -disable- the watchdog timers (IIRC I disabled two of them) * Allow the N770 to boot normally * Bring up your 802.11b/g network * Spawn an xterm window * Gain root * Complete the apt-get upgrade Two packages relating to gnome vfs2.0 refuse to upgrade, everything else seems to be happy. I'd started with the IT 2006 released build, very few customizations. One note... Opera seems to be a bit misbehaved after apt-get upgrade ... not sure why yet, but it doesn't play well with Microsoft's light OWA interface anymore. -JMills -- Jason Mills -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Portal Project Manager / Administrator VMTN Turner of Knobs and Pusher of Buttons -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Steinmetz Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:34 AM To: maemo-dev List Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Apt-got my way into a reboot loop?? Also sprach Thanos Panousis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Various packages needed upgrading. Only to stop during mid-flight, cause the nokia decided to reboot. And from then on, constantly rebooting. I had exactly the same problem yesterday. (The same reflash, install only xterm and ssh, apt-get upgrade -- continuos reboot cycle.) The first reboot happened when upgrading maemo-launcher. Since my device was usable for a few seconds after starting X, I was able to rename /etc/init.d/minireboot. That way the Nokia stayed awake and was accessible via WLAN/ssh even after the screen went dead. But I didn't find the error... Cheers, Michael ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
