Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]
On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 17:22 +, Darius Jack wrote: ... sorry (cut for clarity) I the meantime I was contacted and learneed that offered software was opensource (no GNU Open Sourrce licence included). Unfortunately software - firmware for Wifi Access Points is offered hardware key locked from the following web page http://approsoftware.com/ I would like to know your opinion if opensource software (GNU Open Source licence (not included) intended for Linux OS, can be hardware key locked to disable its functions. Acting that way, any opensource software for Linux can be hardware key locked and sold for fee as a commercial product restricted access sourcees provided or not. Darius you should try opensource firmwares instead, such as openwrt ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]
My dear friend,software fromhttp://approsoftware.com/is exactly declared as Linux open software product.Unfortunately its offered as a commercial product at high chargeas hardware lock key is installed to make itnot to function without hardware lock key installed.I have already contacted Free Software Foundationasking for kind explanationif it objects or notto have GNU Open Source software to be commercializedby installation of hardware lock key in embedded products.Nokia Internet Tablet is one of such productsand acting that way Nokia can disable some libraries, functions or proprietary/non-proprietary applications, installing hardware lock keymaking GNU open source software disabled without payingextra fee/charge.If this is just the case, GNU open source is no more free open source softwareunder GNU lincense as to run it on embedded device one will have to pay unreasonable extra fee.As any Linux open source project/software is based on community past and present workcommercialization of hardware lock key protected new Linux softwareis exactly making profit and money on community workaccessed for free.Asking community to work for free to let few guys to make real money on commercialized Linux software products.So there is no instead, as the software product offered byApprosoftware.comis exactly described as open source.And demo version is for free, commercial Linux open source version is for fee.Just download and install it to see the problem.DariusJust--- On Mon, 5/5/08, Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, "Luca Olivetti" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, 5 May, 2008, 9:22 AMOn Sat, 2008-05-03 at 17:22 +, Darius Jack wrote: ... sorry (cut for clarity) I the meantime I was contacted and learneed that offered software was opensource (no GNU Open Sourrce licence included). Unfortunately software - firmware for Wifi Access Points is offered hardware key locked from the following web page http://approsoftware.com/ I would like to know your opinion if opensource software (GNU Open Source licence (not included) intended for Linux OS, can be hardware key locked to disable its functions. Acting that way, any opensource software for Linux can be hardware key locked and sold for fee as a commercial product restricted access sourcees provided or not. Darius you should try opensource firmwares instead, such as openwrtSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]
Please read the followingfromhttp://approsoftware.com/en/aboutus.htmlopen-source software based on Linux OS is being sold as a commercial producthttp://approsoftware.com/en/howtobuy.html About us Alfanet sp. z o.o. is a Wroclaw-based Polish company, operating since 1996 as an ISP, as well as provider of solutions based on Open-Source Software and Linux operating system. We offer to our customers such services as Web hosting, domain registration and maintenance, design of Web applications and Web pages, network security and wireless Internet access. Alfanet also designs and sells specialized APPro software for Access Points based on ***RTL8186 and Atheros chipsets. This software increases functionality and value of Access Points. APs with the new firmware can replace more expensive Access Points as well as other network devices (bandwidth managers, firewalls, watchdogs). This can bring significant savings related not only to hardware purchases, but also the time needed to work with this extra hardware. Our software also increases network security and its performance. Additionally APPro makes it possible to customize ISP's offer to current demands, which translates to better customer satisfaction. Alfanet, SP. z o.o. ul. Bulwar Ikara 29A/2 54-130 Wrocław Poland Tel. +48 71-79 56 000 Fax +48 71-79 56 500 Last update: Tuesday, 02 October 2007--- On Mon, 5/5/08, Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, "Luca Olivetti" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, 5 May, 2008, 9:22 AMOn Sat, 2008-05-03 at 17:22 +, Darius Jack wrote: ... sorry (cut for clarity) I the meantime I was contacted and learneed that offered software was opensource (no GNU Open Sourrce licence included). Unfortunately software - firmware for Wifi Access Points is offered hardware key locked from the following web page http://approsoftware.com/ I would like to know your opinion if opensource software (GNU Open Source licence (not included) intended for Linux OS, can be hardware key locked to disable its functions. Acting that way, any opensource software for Linux can be hardware key locked and sold for fee as a commercial product restricted access sourcees provided or not. Darius you should try opensource firmwares instead, such as openwrtSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]
Darius Jack wrote: ... sorry (cut for clarity) I the meantime I was contacted and learneed that offered software was opensource (no GNU Open Sourrce licence included). Unfortunately software - firmware for Wifi Access Points is offered hardware key locked from the following web page http://approsoftware.com/ I would like to know your opinion if opensource software (GNU Open Source licence (not included) intended for Linux OS, can be hardware key locked to disable its functions. Acting that way, any opensource software for Linux can be hardware key locked and sold for fee as a commercial product restricted access sourcees provided or not. Darius Ask your lawyer and don't hijack threads. -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]
Thanks.Exactly what I was looking for.What I mean is Wifi Access Point built and manufactured in China by AirWaveand add-on hardware key and new firmware doesn't come from Chinabut from third party, installing hardware and software in originally delivered and manufacturer sealed box.So hardware comes from factory key free, unlocked,hardware lock is installed by developer of GNU Open Source Softwareto generate profit on sale of modified product (upgraded firmware).Going the same rule, Nokia can incorporate hardware key into Nokia Internet Tabletone day as well as any other manufacturer of hardware running Linux.Dariuscomesfromhttp://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001060.html" This concept of software freedom is embedded deeply into the GPL. As promised, we indeed have the freedom to see the Tivo source code, copy it, and change it. Since the Tivo's hardware validates the software, access to the Tivo software becomes effectively meaningless. You can modify the software all you want, but you'll never be able to run it on your own Tivo! You might, in fact, argue that Tivo subverted the very principles of the GPL they built their business on. Richard Stallman certainly did. He felt so strongly about this perceived subversion of the GPL that he literally went back and rebuilt the GPL license to prevent what Tivo did: ..'"--- On Sat, 3/5/08, Clarence "Sparr" Risher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Clarence "Sparr" Risher [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, 3 May, 2008, 7:38 PMOn Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Darius Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I would like to know your opinion if opensource software (GNU Open Source licence (not included) intended for Linux OS, can be hardware key locked to disable its functions.Google "tivoization". This is legal under GPL v2, while otherlicenses (notably GPL v3) seek to prohibit it.Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]
Ok.Ask your lawyer yourself first.The thread is exactly about the same.Making money on community developed Linux based projectsand corporate ownership of such projects.Hardware key locked embedded hardware is exactly the way tox-transfer ownership of any community developed project (open source)to manufacturer of any such embedded hardware.Darius--- On Sat, 3/5/08, Ryan Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Ryan Pavlik [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Opensource locked by hardware key was Re: Corporate ownership of open source projects [LWN]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org, "Luca Olivetti" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, 3 May, 2008, 7:51 PMDarius Jack wrote: ... sorry (cut for clarity) I the meantime I was contacted and learneed that offered software was opensource (no GNU Open Sourrce licence included). Unfortunately software - firmware for Wifi Access Points is offered hardware key locked from the following web page http://approsoftware.com/ I would like to know your opinion if opensource software (GNU Open Source licence (not included) intended for Linux OS, can be hardware key locked to disable its functions. Acting that way, any opensource software for Linux can be hardware key locked and sold for fee as a commercial product restricted access sourcees provided or not. DariusAsk your lawyer and don't hijack threads.-- Ryan Pavlik...Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
