Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 22:27 +0200, Claudio Saavedra escribió: > > > >> 1) How can I start it automatically without having to start it > manually? > > > > > > It should do already, after installation, and on the session start > > > (after the X session is ready). > > > > it didn't after installation, but it did after a device restart > > It's odd, but it works fine if you install the package by hand. I'll > have to look into this. The problem was not running dsmetool through run-standalone.sh. The process was starting, but it was failing to initialize mafw-shared. I pushed a new package to extras-devel. This installs fine with ham. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:40 +0200, Claudio Saavedra wrote: > Long answer: what you see displayed in the user last.fm page is the > name > of the application, as registered by its developer when requesting a > scrobbling client id. One application -> one client id -> one > application name displayed there. > Then, I prefer to keep "mafw-lastfm" name. J.A. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 08:30:49 Riku Voipio wrote: > It is not really necessary/recommended to use it anymore. One can just > copy the startup script into /etc/X11/Xession.post like one would do to > any file in /etc. Same is true to dh_installupstart. OK -- that makes sense. So, is there any documentation on using /etc/X11/Xsession.post? It seems that somewhere the documentation should explain that that is how to start a user daemon process or take action on X session startup (and that /etc/event.d is the way to tell upstart to start a system daemon process or take action on system boot). Out of interest, why is there a .post directory (instead of just using .d)? Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 09:20:48PM +0100, Andrea Grandi wrote: > another idea: what about displaying "Listening with Nokia N900" > instead of "Listening with mafw-lastfm" ? The thing is that you can scrobble from the N900 using different apps, and you can also (in theory) use mafw-lastfm from a platform other than the N900, so ... Berto ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
El mié, 09-12-2009 a las 12:29 +0100, Juan A. Suarez Romero escribió: > > Maybe using "Listening with ", where is a used-defined string > that can be customized through the applet. > Short answer: that's not feasible. Long answer: what you see displayed in the user last.fm page is the name of the application, as registered by its developer when requesting a scrobbling client id. One application -> one client id -> one application name displayed there. Then again, having one client id per device should be feasible. It's a matter of discussing it with the last.fm people and being sure that we are not stepping on Nokia's toes by using 'Nokia N900' as the application name. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
El mié, 09-12-2009 a las 10:30 +0200, Riku Voipio escribió: > ext Claudio Saavedra wrote: > > El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 17:50 +, Graham Cobb escribió: > >> On Tuesday 08 December 2009 17:23:15 Claudio Saavedra wrote: > >>> I noticed that the postinst script was missing the debhelper token used > >>> by dh_installxsession to plug its magic. Now the Xsession script should > >>> be installed properly. > >> What is dh_installxsession? I can't find any documentation on it. > >> Probably > >> looking in the wrong place! > > > It's part of upstart-dev. I don't know where it's documented, though. I > > simply looked at hildon-desktop and some other modules' packages. > > It is not really necessary/recommended to use it anymore. One can just > copy the startup script into /etc/X11/Xession.post like one would do to > any file in /etc. Same is true to dh_installupstart. OK, roger that. I'll change it for future releases. I guess there are plenty of packages still using dh_installxsession, though. > > But why does mafw-lastfm need to start at boot time and keep running all > the time? Is it not possible to make it start/stop when playback > stops/starts? I am not 100% sure that's feasible, since it's separate process communicated with mafw through libmafw-shared. I don't think mafw has any way to start/stop processes on demand that would fit this. And I don't think doing so would have any important benefit. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 13:15 +0200, Claudio Saavedra wrote: > El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 21:20 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: > > Hi, > > > > another idea: what about displaying "Listening with Nokia N900" > > instead of "Listening with mafw-lastfm" ? > > If you can prove that there's no legal issue with using the 'Nokia N900' > brand with a third party application, maybe. Still, mafw-lastfm should > work with any other device using mafw, so restricting it's app id only > to the 'Nokia N900' now is not something I would like, at least not for > the long term. > Maybe using "Listening with ", where is a used-defined string that can be customized through the applet. J.A. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 21:20 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: > Hi, > > another idea: what about displaying "Listening with Nokia N900" > instead of "Listening with mafw-lastfm" ? If you can prove that there's no legal issue with using the 'Nokia N900' brand with a third party application, maybe. Still, mafw-lastfm should work with any other device using mafw, so restricting it's app id only to the 'Nokia N900' now is not something I would like, at least not for the long term. Of course, I could request other application ids, one for each supported device. Not sure if it's worth the burden. Unless users really care to show off that they own a N900, or a whatever device is released in the future. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
ext Claudio Saavedra wrote: > El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 17:50 +, Graham Cobb escribió: >> On Tuesday 08 December 2009 17:23:15 Claudio Saavedra wrote: >>> I noticed that the postinst script was missing the debhelper token used >>> by dh_installxsession to plug its magic. Now the Xsession script should >>> be installed properly. >> What is dh_installxsession? I can't find any documentation on it. Probably >> looking in the wrong place! > It's part of upstart-dev. I don't know where it's documented, though. I > simply looked at hildon-desktop and some other modules' packages. It is not really necessary/recommended to use it anymore. One can just copy the startup script into /etc/X11/Xession.post like one would do to any file in /etc. Same is true to dh_installupstart. But why does mafw-lastfm need to start at boot time and keep running all the time? Is it not possible to make it start/stop when playback stops/starts? Still, looking forward to seeing mafw-lastfm in extras-testing =) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
[I'm crossposting to mafw-lastfm-devel, but this is my last reply to maemo-developers. I think if we want to discuss stuff in more detail, the mafw-lastfm development list is the proper place] El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 21:18 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: > Hi, > > 2009/12/8 Claudio Saavedra : > >> 1) How can I start it automatically without having to start it manually? > > > > It should do already, after installation, and on the session start > > (after the X session is ready). > > it didn't after installation, but it did after a device restart It's odd, but it works fine if you install the package by hand. I'll have to look into this. > > > Yes, tracks are queued. Once there is a connection available, the queue > > is flushed and the tracks are sent to last.fm. This doesn't happen > > immediately after the connection is available, though, but only when you > > start listening again. This could be improved. > > yes, I've noticed looking in the terminal debug messages that it keeps > doubling the time of retry. It could just check for internet > connection every 60 or 120 seconds (maybe configurable by user). I don't really think it is necessary to have configuration for something like that. In the end, mafw-lastfm retries every 320 seconds (bit more than every 5 min), which is OK to me. However, retrying could stop after playback is stopped, to avoid unnecessary polling. Other alternative would be to use libconn, but I don't feel like adding yet another dependency for something that should be done in a very small daemon. I rather play smart while keeping it simple, so any solution has to go in that direction. > > > Another limitation is that the queue is not serialized, so if the > > process is terminated for any reason, the queue will be emptied. This is > > also important to fix. > > I don't know how much data you have to save for every song scrobbled, > but what about sqlite? It suffices with saving a string. sqlite would be overkill (yet another unnecessary dependency). Serializing to a text file would do. > > p.s: in the configuration dialog, before launching the GUI, the icon is > missing. Because there is no icon, yet. Ideally, I'd use last.fm (or audioscrobbler, fwiw) icon, but I am not good at drawing and haven't found anything with a proper license in the last.fm site. Art is welcome, of course. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
Hi, another idea: what about displaying "Listening with Nokia N900" instead of "Listening with mafw-lastfm" ? -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
Hi, 2009/12/8 Claudio Saavedra : >> 1) How can I start it automatically without having to start it manually? > > It should do already, after installation, and on the session start > (after the X session is ready). it didn't after installation, but it did after a device restart > Yes, tracks are queued. Once there is a connection available, the queue > is flushed and the tracks are sent to last.fm. This doesn't happen > immediately after the connection is available, though, but only when you > start listening again. This could be improved. yes, I've noticed looking in the terminal debug messages that it keeps doubling the time of retry. It could just check for internet connection every 60 or 120 seconds (maybe configurable by user). > Another limitation is that the queue is not serialized, so if the > process is terminated for any reason, the queue will be emptied. This is > also important to fix. I don't know how much data you have to save for every song scrobbled, but what about sqlite? p.s: in the configuration dialog, before launching the GUI, the icon is missing. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 17:50 +, Graham Cobb escribió: > On Tuesday 08 December 2009 17:23:15 Claudio Saavedra wrote: > > I noticed that the postinst script was missing the debhelper token used > > by dh_installxsession to plug its magic. Now the Xsession script should > > be installed properly. > > What is dh_installxsession? I can't find any documentation on it. Probably > looking in the wrong place! It's part of upstart-dev. I don't know where it's documented, though. I simply looked at hildon-desktop and some other modules' packages. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 20:52 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: > Hi, > > 2009/12/8 Claudio Saavedra : > > I pushed a new package to the autobuilder queue already. > > I'm testing the new package right now. After installing it I had to > start it manually from N900 terminal Well, the debian prerm and postinst scripts should be taking care of restarting the daemon during an upgrade, so this should be working automatically. > but it's working because last.fm > website is displaying in realtime what I'm listening to. > > A couple of question now: > > 1) How can I start it automatically without having to start it manually? It should do already, after installation, and on the session start (after the X session is ready). > > 2) If I'm listening to some music but I don't have any connection at > the moment, are the tracks queued to be scrobbled once I get an > Internet connection? Yes, tracks are queued. Once there is a connection available, the queue is flushed and the tracks are sent to last.fm. This doesn't happen immediately after the connection is available, though, but only when you start listening again. This could be improved. Another limitation is that the queue is not serialized, so if the process is terminated for any reason, the queue will be emptied. This is also important to fix. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
Hi, 2009/12/8 Claudio Saavedra : > I pushed a new package to the autobuilder queue already. I'm testing the new package right now. After installing it I had to start it manually from N900 terminal, but it's working because last.fm website is displaying in realtime what I'm listening to. A couple of question now: 1) How can I start it automatically without having to start it manually? 2) If I'm listening to some music but I don't have any connection at the moment, are the tracks queued to be scrobbled once I get an Internet connection? Thanks, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 17:23:15 Claudio Saavedra wrote: > I noticed that the postinst script was missing the debhelper token used > by dh_installxsession to plug its magic. Now the Xsession script should > be installed properly. What is dh_installxsession? I can't find any documentation on it. Probably looking in the wrong place! Graham ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
Hi, 2009/12/8 Claudio Saavedra : > El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 18:30 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: >> >> p.s: I was thinking about writing a very simple GUI in Python/Gtk to >> let the user enter his username and password, generate the md5sum >> automatically and create the .mafw-lastfm, do you think this could be >> useful? If you're already working on it I won't start working on it. > > There is already a control panel applet for this since 0.0.2. doh! I created the file by hand :\ Really didn't know anything about it, sorry. Ok, I'll test the incoming version and maybe I'll write a little blog post to let the people know about it and how it works. Thanks again, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 18:30 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: > > p.s: I was thinking about writing a very simple GUI in Python/Gtk to > let the user enter his username and password, generate the md5sum > automatically and create the .mafw-lastfm, do you think this could be > useful? If you're already working on it I won't start working on it. There is already a control panel applet for this since 0.0.2. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
Hi, 2009/12/8 Claudio Saavedra : > I noticed that the postinst script was missing the debhelper token used > by dh_installxsession to plug its magic. Now the Xsession script should > be installed properly. > > I pushed a new package to the autobuilder queue already. thank you so much Claudio! p.s: I was thinking about writing a very simple GUI in Python/Gtk to let the user enter his username and password, generate the md5sum automatically and create the .mafw-lastfm, do you think this could be useful? If you're already working on it I won't start working on it. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 16:49 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: > Hi, > > 2009/12/8 Claudio Saavedra : > > El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 16:13 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I was trying to test mafw-lastfm plugin on my N900 but I cannot make it > >> work. > >> I've installed it from extras-devel, I've configured it following the > >> istructions contained in README and I've restarted the device. > >> > >> The plugin is not started automatically and I don't think the average > >> user would be able to understand how to start a mafw plugin. I noticed that the postinst script was missing the debhelper token used by dh_installxsession to plug its magic. Now the Xsession script should be installed properly. I pushed a new package to the autobuilder queue already. Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
Hi, 2009/12/8 Claudio Saavedra : > El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 16:13 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: >> Hi all, >> >> I was trying to test mafw-lastfm plugin on my N900 but I cannot make it work. >> I've installed it from extras-devel, I've configured it following the >> istructions contained in README and I've restarted the device. >> >> The plugin is not started automatically and I don't think the average >> user would be able to understand how to start a mafw plugin. > > $ mafw-lastfm > > That should be enough to start it. Did you try to start it manually? yes, I tried this while I was connected to it via ssh. I controlled with "ps -aux | grep mafw" if it was running, but I wasn't. Is it a standalone plugin or does it have to be started with the mafw wrapper? > Since this is maemo-developers, I'll ask: did you try to debug why it > doesn't start during the beginning of the session or whether it starts > and exits, crashes, or whatever? no error messages... it just "stay" without doing anything after you execute it... it doesn't return. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
El mar, 08-12-2009 a las 16:13 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: > Hi all, > > I was trying to test mafw-lastfm plugin on my N900 but I cannot make it work. > I've installed it from extras-devel, I've configured it following the > istructions contained in README and I've restarted the device. > > The plugin is not started automatically and I don't think the average > user would be able to understand how to start a mafw plugin. $ mafw-lastfm That should be enough to start it. Did you try to start it manually? > > Could you please fix this for the next release? Thanks :) > Since this is maemo-developers, I'll ask: did you try to debug why it doesn't start during the beginning of the session or whether it starts and exits, crashes, or whatever? Claudio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
mafw-lasftm: installed, configured, restarted the device, but plugin is not started
Hi all, I was trying to test mafw-lastfm plugin on my N900 but I cannot make it work. I've installed it from extras-devel, I've configured it following the istructions contained in README and I've restarted the device. The plugin is not started automatically and I don't think the average user would be able to understand how to start a mafw plugin. Could you please fix this for the next release? Thanks :) -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
