Re: [maemo-users] The difference between ARM and ARMEL packages
On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, you will need to rebuild those packages for IT-2006 (this should then work on IT-2007 too). ARMEL means a different binary ABI, the ARM software will not work on IT-2006/7. Changing package structure will not help, get it rebuilt under Maemo SDK. Yes, I got it. So, I already started to build packages for ARMEL. Thanks. Br, --jakub -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *ext Michael Stepanov *Sent:* 09 January, 2007 10:01 *To:* maemo-users@maemo.org *Subject:* [maemo-users] The difference between ARM and ARMEL packages Hi list, I try to use Nokia770 as control panel for home automation system Plutohome (plutohome.com). There is a one, big problem. Some needed packages are missed. For example, mysqlclient12 or libxmu6. I adopted those ARM Debian packages for OS 2005 just by changing their structure. It works fine on real device. But I cannot find appropriate packages for OS 2006. Because the architecture was changed from ARM to ARMEL. Can somebody tell me, please, is there some significant difference between ARM and ARMEL or it may be possible just change ARM package structure according to rules for ARMEL? Thanks in advance. -- Cheers, Michael -- Cheers, Michael ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] gpe-mini-browser for maemo
hi all, i've packaged gpe-mini-browser for maemo. you can find the packages in http://bencer.cauterized.net/nokia770/ *warning*: there are very very dirty and quick packages. this weekend i'll have much cleaner and well done packages in a repository. i'll try to make fresh packages from gpe svn often. enjoy! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Tool to get the Storage IDs of Certificates
Hi, i am new to the List. My Name is Oliver and i am the proud owner of a N770 since last week. Now I have a question :) or more asking for a favor. In my school we connect to our network through a certificate. The Problem is, it is no user certificate and so i cant access it with the network manager GUI. The idea was to find out the storage id of the right cert and use it to substitute with the sid of the user cert in the gconf file. Do you think it would be possible? And if so, could someone write a tool to find out the storage ids? I already filed it as a bug, but there was no activitie on that bug till midst of December, so you are my last hope :) Thanks a lot and greetz Oli ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Hi Tim! On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, ext Tim Teulings wrote: Hello! the apps you have installed are buggy and generate activity and i mean any type of activity, 1% CPU load is still too much: if the app is idle, it must have 0% CPU activity What does that exactly mean (especially for non GTK-based applications like mine that cannot expect some GTK magic)? First of all my deepest and most sincere thanks for this question. So maybe for once it won't look like i just rant against application developers. Say for example I have an editor with has a blinking cursor. The GUI library internally uses select with a timer as main event loop. Does above statement mean, that my application is still running and select still lopping and timer can run out and the cursor still blinks while I put the cover on the device? Let's take the editor example and see it throughthe whole sw stack. *First of all the timer you are using from userspace is mapped to a queue in the kernel, which in turns uses a hw timer. *The kernel has _NON_ periodic system tick timer, meaning that system ticks are skipped when there is no activity scheduled. (So that means that if nothing perturbs the state of the system, it won't wake up, even if the cover is not present and you are looking at a static image of the text in your editor. As a matter of fact it does wake up every now and then, but the number of times can be approximated with 0, when compared to a system where there is a interrupt every tick.) *select will be (hopefully) implemented in a sane way that doesn't busy loop, but rather relies again on asynchronous events (notification from the kernel that the timer has expired) and therefore the library code shouldn't generate unnecessary activity. *finally the editor application: personally i consider blinking cursors to be evil, however putting aside personal feelings, in general it makes sense to do screen updates only when they are visible. So if the cover is on, what good is to update the blinking cursor? Same applies to cover off (open) but screen blanked. Again nobody will enjoy your nice blinking effect but that will cause the processor to periodically wake up. Certainly not for long, but if I may quote Depeche Mode, Everything Counts in a Large Amount I always assumed that it goes in some kind of hibernate mode where machine state is (nearly) completely frozen, Yes and no: -yes because it does go to hw specific power saving states -no because it is transparent to sw (well, most of it and certainly user space stuff) and if the sw doesn't keep quiet, the power saving state won't be reached. (Actually there are significant differencies between omap1710 and omap2420, with the latter having finer granularity of what hw blocks can sleep and how.) but your statement sounds like it just switches of some stuff of while CPU is still running? I consider the OFF button on your everyday PDA just smoke in the eyes. Many people have compleined for the absence of a hybernate functionality. They have not understood that we are already doing it dynamically. All the time, at _runtime_, not just when the user presses the OFF button. Of course it takes more effort, but that's the way to go, since modern mobile processors would have ridiculous use-times if they were running constantly at full power. Or the size of the battery would become incredibly large. How can I work around this? *Don't do unnecessary stuff *Don't poll *Don't busyloop *Check system state (by listening for events, again, never poll) *Keep updates at minimum *Do updates only if your application is visible, otherwise completely stop updating the UI till you become again king of the hill Do I need to catch DBus events to get informed that I have to go in some application specific low power mode? Yes, screen blanked should be enough. Also because N800 doesn't have a cover, but certainly that doesn't prevent us to do the very same power saving that was already available on 770. :-D The cover would just be the cause for an _immediate_ rather than timed screen blanking. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Igor Stoppa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snipped helpful description of power saving] Also because N800 doesn't have a cover, but certainly that doesn't prevent us to do the very same power saving that was already available on 770. :-D The cover would just be the cause for an _immediate_ rather than timed screen blanking. I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor here. Putting the cover on the 770 allows the user to forget about it. He finished using it and it is kind of stored away safely, it won't distract him. The N800 has no equivalent. When you stop using it, its screen stays lighted for a while - wasn't there something else you wanted to use me for?, it still demands a certain amount of attention. Then it switches the light off at some point - if it is lying around in your vincinity this is another visible intrusion that you'll notice even from the corner of your eyes. Plus it - at least the prototype I've seen - keeps blinking the blue LED in the cursor pad. Not sure what this is supposed to indicate. Active Network connection? not really switched off? I am aware that BluetoothWlan power management is very good and that it probably is not that relevant for power management to explicitely kill all connections when putting the cover on the device. However it sometimes is convenient to have the Wlan and Bluetooth connections cut off when you explicitely put the cover on the 770. Putting the cover on the 770 then gives the reassuring feeling of nobody can mess with it remotely, there certainly is no pending stuff running there. I guess the only option to do this on the N800 is the flight mode, which of course requires actively reenabling this stuff when you want to use it again. Certainly not as smoothely integrated with the workflow as with the 770. At least these are my thoughts regarding the cover issue - it is a psychological thing and I am a bit sad that Nokia apparently abandoned this concept. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Simon Budig Sent: 10 January, 2007 13:16 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking? I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor here. Putting the cover on the 770 allows the user to forget about it. He finished using it and it is kind of stored away safely, it won't distract him. The N800 has no equivalent. When you stop using it, its screen stays lighted for a while - wasn't there something else you wanted to use me for?, it still demands a certain amount of attention. Then it switches the light off at some point - if it is lying around in your vincinity this is another visible intrusion that you'll notice even from the corner of your eyes. Plus it - at least the prototype I've seen - keeps blinking the blue LED in the cursor pad. Not sure what this is supposed to indicate. Active Network connection? not really switched off? I am afraid that _IS_ the product concept of ALWAYS ON. Of course you don't have to be always ON, but it requires changing the default settings. Do the following: In Connection Manager - Tools - Connectivity Settings - General: - Connect automatically: WLAN connections - Search interval: Never Idle times tab: - WLAN idle time: 5 minutes This will ensure that for known APs you are connected automatically and when you are idle, it is automatically disconnected. Also, by setting search interval to NEVER, you ensure that WLAN isn't trying to look for known APs all the time. In Display Settings, uncheck Show LED lights to turn off the blinking LEDs (I can feel the eyes of marketing and product concepting people boring a hole into my back.) Regards, Amit ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] N800: RS-MMC and mini-SD
Hi, Will the N800 read RS-MMC (those used by the N770)? Thanks in advance, Laurent http://guerby.org/blog/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Simon Budig Sent: 10 January, 2007 13:16 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking? I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor here. Putting the cover on the 770 allows the user to forget about it. He finished using it and it is kind of stored away safely, it won't distract him. The N800 has no equivalent. When you stop using it, its screen stays lighted for a while - wasn't there something else you wanted to use me for?, it still demands a certain amount of attention. Then it switches the light off at some point - if it is lying around in your vincinity this is another visible intrusion that you'll notice even from the corner of your eyes. Plus it - at least the prototype I've seen - keeps blinking the blue LED in the cursor pad. Not sure what this is supposed to indicate. Active Network connection? not really switched off? I am afraid that _IS_ the product concept of ALWAYS ON. Of course you don't have to be always ON, but it requires changing the default settings. Do the following: And to attempt to defend the concept of Always ON, think about the general populace - tech savvy enough to use VoIP, but not geek enough to understand/care about what goes into making it work. They would not understand why they can't receive their VoIP calls on Gtalk, Skype, etc. _all_ the time. After all it works on PCs. /Amit ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N800: RS-MMC and mini-SD
Think it is just SD and mini sd ... But you get 2 slots! On 1/10/07, Laurent GUERBY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Will the N800 read RS-MMC (those used by the N770)? Thanks in advance, Laurent http://guerby.org/blog/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: Battery Benchmarking?
Hello! What does that exactly mean (especially for non GTK-based applications like mine that cannot expect some GTK magic)? How can I work around this? Yes, screen blanked should be enough. Thank you for you in deep description! Things are much clearer now and besides DBus-handling I do not see big problems for my applications (it is just some work to do and not enough time ;-)). OK. So I have to look again at my own DBus-Event Loop implementation sick. No problem ;-) I assume that everything works similar using the development system while sending DBus events from console? Btw., what about adding one or more simple scripts to the development system that excatly trigger this events for easier testing? -- Gruß... Tim. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Igor Stoppa wrote: Hi Tim! On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, ext Tim Teulings wrote: How can I work around this? *Don't do unnecessary stuff *Don't poll *Don't busyloop *Check system state (by listening for events, again, never poll) *Keep updates at minimum *Do updates only if your application is visible, otherwise completely stop updating the UI till you become again king of the hill Thanks Igor for nice explanation, what about using threads? For n770 some time ago people said that using threads (linuxthreads) caused some unneeded cpu activity caused by the library itself. Is it still the case? Are there any other similar gotchas present in the SW stack (glibc/X/gtk)? Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N800: RS-MMC and mini-SD
Nice! On 1/10/07, Kimmo Hämäläinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 13:25 +0100, ext Laurent GUERBY wrote: Hi, Will the N800 read RS-MMC (those used by the N770)? Yes, it reads RS-MMC with the adapter that comes in the Nokia 770 sales box. (I just tested the Nokia 64MB RS-MMC that also comes in the sales box.) BR; Kimmo Thanks in advance, Laurent http://guerby.org/blog/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Open source Java
Hi, i have so far only tried some simple java binaries, and they somehow worked (pretty well) as far as i am concerned. i have however not tested/tried about any plugin for browser... have no blinking idea about this at all.. anyone else? speed wise i can sense its lag (as compared to a centrino. LOL) but from the ipaq linux experience it is still quite acceptable. regards, wahlau. On 10/01/07, James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 08 January 2007 06:22, Wahlau - wrote: HI all, while reading this thread, i made a search and found Sebas got things working: http://sebas-nokia770.blogspot.com/2006/12/java-on-nokia-770-simple-and-eas y.html can't try that now, since i don have my 770 with me. Anyone with time and courage can test it out... shall do when i find some free time tonight. cheers, wahlau. wahlau, I'd love to compare results with you so far yes it does install without a hitch (no conflicts no missing libraries etc.) But I haven't been able to find evidence of a plugin for either the opera or the minimo browser. (about:plugins doesn't work dang it.) still looking into what and were it installed the files most seem to be in /usr/local/. going to the anfy java page (just to view some applets.) the site claims I have a non-java enabled browser. James On 08/01/07, Roberto Resoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/1/3, Peter Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well the PhoneME MR2 just released has an Linux ARM version so I don't see why it couldn't run on maemo. https://phoneme.dev.java.net/downloads_page.html Really interesting, i would like to work on porting this Roberto. Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- = : : : --- normal reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] urgent reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- : : : == ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: Battery Benchmarking?
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 13:35 +0100, ext Nicola Larosa wrote: I do appreciate your post about kernel timers, polling, and app developer responsibilities, and heartily hope you're being sarcastic here. Put another way, who gives a [] about the fashion of the day? Look at it this way: Nokia will provide to hopefully gazillions of happy customers a linux based device which meets their needs and to thousands of geeks the opportunity to customise it to fit their needs as well. What's the catch? Try selling only few units and have fun seeing the price skyrocket. So mass marketing of fashionable (yes, very fancy and trendy) devices makes the price deflate for your average geek. Personally I think that we (as the part of Nokia that takes care of the design of the device in its base components) should just worry about not putting constraints in front of hackers when creating products. Then whoever doesn't feel satisfied with what we provide can have a go with his own implementation. Yes, we gave up the shrink division and hired more developers :-D No, unfortunately that's only my wild dream. Good thing the programmers are *not* running the asylum. ;-P No, somebody has to provide a reason to keep it open. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 13:51 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Igor Stoppa wrote: Hi Tim! On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, ext Tim Teulings wrote: How can I work around this? *Don't do unnecessary stuff *Don't poll *Don't busyloop *Check system state (by listening for events, again, never poll) *Keep updates at minimum *Do updates only if your application is visible, otherwise completely stop updating the UI till you become again king of the hill Thanks Igor for nice explanation, what about using threads? For n770 some time ago people said that using threads (linuxthreads) caused some unneeded cpu activity caused by the library itself. Is it still the case? Are there any other similar gotchas present in the SW stack (glibc/X/gtk)? Yes, I remember that, but probably Eero has a much better answer already available, so i'll let him the honour. I tend to prefer the thread approach but for coding and reliability reasons, but that's probably personal taste. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N800: RS-MMC and mini-SD
Thanks ! Is this use validated by Nokia (I haven't had the time to read the N800 documentation yet) ? I don't want to fry my shiny new N800 or invalidate the warranty too quickly :). Laurent Selon Kimmo Hämäläinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 13:25 +0100, ext Laurent GUERBY wrote: Hi, Will the N800 read RS-MMC (those used by the N770)? Yes, it reads RS-MMC with the adapter that comes in the Nokia 770 sales box. (I just tested the Nokia 64MB RS-MMC that also comes in the sales box.) BR; Kimmo Thanks in advance, Laurent http://guerby.org/blog/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia return/refund policy [ was Re: [maemo-users] ITOS 2007]
Drew, not to mention the real opportunity cost of your time dealing with the problem (minutes or hours of your life that you will not get back). With respect to its PDA phones Verizon Wireless has a policy of shipping out a new unit with an RMA for the old (to be returned) unit to get the customer back up and running as quickly as possible after discussing the problem over the telephone with the customer and determining that in fact there is (probably) a hardware issue. Now that's a good customer confidence building policy. Verizon Wireless of course has a self serving interest here which is to get the customer generating call minutes again as soon as possible. Nokia has some learning to do when it comes to customer service. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM serving the digital home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging carrier markets (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 770 has 2 weeks and I'm going to have a device with no more support. I'm very disappointed Just another warning about these devices and the warranty service. I purchased a 770 in December 2005. I was having issues with the wireless dropping unless I keep a streaming audio source running, discussed fully in the bugzilla entry https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=329. After updating to the latest firmware, I was still seeing the issue. Per the comment from Maemo QA (comment #61 in the bugzilla entry) I contacted Nokia and was advised to return the device for service. After one month, I contacted the service group to find out where my device was. I was called back by the Executive Office (whatever that means) and they informed me that unfortunately no repair parts or replacement devices were available (but a quick check on Amazon shows that there are devices available; evidently just not to Nokia). They would be happy to offer me a refund but one prorated to my usage. Now I'm not liking the sound of that but I dig up my paperwork to find the date of purchase, purchase price, etc. I contacted them this morning with my information. Now I bought the device in December 2005 and finally after waiting for the firmware upgrade that didn't fix my issue, returned it in December 2006 (still under warranty even if just barely). They offered to give me a prorated refund based on 6 months usage rather than the 12 months I actually had the device (how nice of them). They were willing to refund 2/3 of my purchase price based on 6 months of usage, indicating that Nokia assumes these devices are worthless after 18 months. Rather than getting stuck with no device and only a partial refund I instructed them to send me the device back. Maybe I am being overly sensitive about this but to me a partial refund is unacceptable. If I accept that, then I have lost 100% usage of the device and if I decide I want to buy another one then I am out an additional $120 or so for the first device which was/is faulty. The workaround of leaving streaming audio running is ugly but at least I have my device. Just thought I would pass my experience on to others. Drew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia return/refund policy [ was Re: [maemo-users] ITOS 2007]
Nick, that is not a warranty policy however. At the price of the 770 or N800 for that matter, Nokia should do better on its hardware support, especially since it supports direct sales from its www site. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM serving the digital home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging carrier markets (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the Nokia web site, you have 30 days to return the product if it doesn't meet your needs. Nick Shaw MAJ, US Army Retired IBA # 11140 Lifetime HOG Member www.DocHarley.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Moseley Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:17 AM To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Nokia return/refund policy [ was Re: [maemo-users] ITOS 2007] My 770 has 2 weeks and I'm going to have a device with no more support. I'm very disappointed Just another warning about these devices and the warranty service. I purchased a 770 in December 2005. I was having issues with the wireless dropping unless I keep a streaming audio source running, discussed fully in the bugzilla entry https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=329. After updating to the latest firmware, I was still seeing the issue. Per the comment from Maemo QA (comment #61 in the bugzilla entry) I contacted Nokia and was advised to return the device for service. After one month, I contacted the service group to find out where my device was. I was called back by the Executive Office (whatever that means) and they informed me that unfortunately no repair parts or replacement devices were available (but a quick check on Amazon shows that there are devices available; evidently just not to Nokia). They would be happy to offer me a refund but one prorated to my usage. Now I'm not liking the sound of that but I dig up my paperwork to find the date of purchase, purchase price, etc. I contacted them this morning with my information. Now I bought the device in December 2005 and finally after waiting for the firmware upgrade that didn't fix my issue, returned it in December 2006 (still under warranty even if just barely). They offered to give me a prorated refund based on 6 months usage rather than the 12 months I actually had the device (how nice of them). They were willing to refund 2/3 of my purchase price based on 6 months of usage, indicating that Nokia assumes these devices are worthless after 18 months. Rather than getting stuck with no device and only a partial refund I instructed them to send me the device back. Maybe I am being overly sensitive about this but to me a partial refund is unacceptable. If I accept that, then I have lost 100% usage of the device and if I decide I want to buy another one then I am out an additional $120 or so for the first device which was/is faulty. The workaround of leaving streaming audio running is ugly but at least I have my device. Just thought I would pass my experience on to others. Drew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia return/refund policy [ was Re: [maemo-users] ITOS 2007]
I'm in a similar boat. I bought my 770 about 4 months ago, so I'm now stuck with an obsolete unit. I'm reminded that back when Apple was making the Newton, they offered early purchasers an exchange policy when the newer models came out - it wasn't free, but it was reasonable, and motivated me to trade in my older Newton for the 2100 (the last model made, and still a really nice machine). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Opera 8 on N800 query
I've been working on a browser plugin-combined-with-special-stylesheet[1] that enables long text reading online to more closely resemble use of an e-reader. Unfortunately, the Opera for Devices version in the 770 doesn't permit this approach. Does anyone know where I can find the differences identified between that version and the Opera version 8 said to be included on the N800? Also -- the technical discussion here on the user list seems more developer-oriented than I would otherwise expect. What are the current guidelines of what belongs on the developer list and what on this one? Thank you, Roger Sperberg [1] Actually it's more of a paged stylesheet that can be supplemented with a plugin to add e-reader features like bookmarks and annotations. The grand-daddy of paged stylesheets would be S5 ( meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/structure-ref.html). -- firstinitial lastname at gmail.com Cambodian Language Exercises -- cambodian.tiddlyspot.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N800: RS-MMC and mini-SD
I went ahead and my 1GB kingston RS-MMC + adapter worked fine when I plugged it in the internal slot. Created 128MB of swap on it, no problem after a few hours of use. N800 feels much more responsive than N770 :). Laurent http://guerby.org/blog/ On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 17:13 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks ! Is this use validated by Nokia (I haven't had the time to read the N800 documentation yet) ? I don't want to fry my shiny new N800 or invalidate the warranty too quickly :). Laurent Selon Kimmo Hämäläinen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 13:25 +0100, ext Laurent GUERBY wrote: Hi, Will the N800 read RS-MMC (those used by the N770)? Yes, it reads RS-MMC with the adapter that comes in the Nokia 770 sales box. (I just tested the Nokia 64MB RS-MMC that also comes in the sales box.) BR; Kimmo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Open source Java
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 07:11, Wahlau - wrote: Hi, i have so far only tried some simple java binaries, and they somehow worked (pretty well) as far as i am concerned. i have however not tested/tried about any plugin for browser... have no blinking idea about this at all.. anyone else? speed wise i can sense its lag (as compared to a centrino. LOL) but from the ipaq linux experience it is still quite acceptable. regards, wahlau. I got similar results. The reason I checked the plugin is that the page mentions the need for minimo browser and that he could now use his nokia with his online banks java applications. James On 10/01/07, James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 08 January 2007 06:22, Wahlau - wrote: HI all, while reading this thread, i made a search and found Sebas got things working: http://sebas-nokia770.blogspot.com/2006/12/java-on-nokia-770-simple-and -eas y.html can't try that now, since i don have my 770 with me. Anyone with time and courage can test it out... shall do when i find some free time tonight. cheers, wahlau. wahlau, I'd love to compare results with you so far yes it does install without a hitch (no conflicts no missing libraries etc.) But I haven't been able to find evidence of a plugin for either the opera or the minimo browser. (about:plugins doesn't work dang it.) still looking into what and were it installed the files most seem to be in /usr/local/. going to the anfy java page (just to view some applets.) the site claims I have a non-java enabled browser. James On 08/01/07, Roberto Resoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/1/3, Peter Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well the PhoneME MR2 just released has an Linux ARM version so I don't see why it couldn't run on maemo. https://phoneme.dev.java.net/downloads_page.html Really interesting, i would like to work on porting this Roberto. Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Request for adjustments/changes to maemo repositories.
All, I'm starting to see the effects of the wholesale switch to the 800. python2-5 runtimes are listed as available in the app manager when it seems they are actually for the 800 not the 770. Fortunately this has enough dependencies that it won't install. (I live dangerously and know that I can type 'n' and back out after doing initial apt related tests) It will help a lot of people if the repositories/wiki/catalogs could be separated so that no less Linux savvy user comes in a bricks their unit. Not to mention the thousands of My unit is broken it won't let me install X statements. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
