Role of maemo i.e. in Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
Hanno, Neil, Randall & co. Your comments are very interesting. I have already reported to the right people internally quoting some of your insightful thoughts and linking to this whole thread. I'm confident we will do better next time. Now, a question and a long thought for the maemo lovers: What do you think we should do? Bring the Nokia devices/commercial agenda also here or keep maemo apart from that? In one hand we are trying to build a maemo community based on the open source software and development interests. We are putting a lot of effort creating a space with own identity and open source friendliness. Not pushing other topics, like Nokia devices or proprietary and commercial applications, is a decision made on purpose not to 'infoxicate' the main purpose of maemo: open source development for the Internet tablets. Now, because of this openness maemo is the easiest entry point for all sorts of feedback that, in fact, haven't got much to do with open source development or even usage. Like for example the Skype launch. In the meantime Tableteer (Nokia official site for end users) has a feedback channel while http://www.womworld.com/nseries/category/n800/ (unofficial but sponsored by Nokia Nseries, I'm sure they read the comments) is precisely about devices & end user software hype and coolnessn no matter if it's open or closed as far as it's cool. And let's not forget the Nokia support channels, that (have no doubt) report to the management lines any relevant feedback and complaints. Does the maemo community have a clear answer to this question? In the meantime I hope the question itself helps the maemo community understanding why the maemo team is not hurrying to comment here a sneak preview of Skype. Almost the same applies to details of a next Internet Tablet OS release besides the platform and open source related components, that we are trying to address increasingly through http://maemo.org/intro/roadmap.html , http://sardine.garage.maemo.org/ , http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ and other stuff commented through the maemo-developers mailing list, our blogs aggregated in http://planet.maemo.org and public presentations like http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/369 or Ari Jaaksi's keynote in http://www.guadec.org/schedule/core (open source lovers and developers, stay tuned that day). The maemo team acknowledges and tries to improve on any issue you report about open source software development. But we really are not sure about how far are we supposed to go on topics like Skype, for the reasons mentioned above. PS: Don't believe rumors of mass holidays in Finland. Even if they were true they have nothing to do with our releases. Skype in the N800 was promised and very soon you will be able to see it in your own N800, together with some other cool stuff largely requested and discussed in this list, and present in the maemo roadmap. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: HP iPAQ BT keyboard
Willie McKemie wrote: > Can someone tell my what I'm > doing wrong? Perhaps going onward through the fog without consulting manual or doing basic google search? ;-) http://www.google.com/search?q=n800+HP+iPAQ+BT+keyboard Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: HP iPAQ BT keyboard
I encountered that error a few times too... Sorry, I forgot to mention that. Sounds like our experiences are identical-- I just hope you get the best of it like I did. Randall (Randy) Arnold Quality Feedback Analyst Nokia-CMO/Dallas >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Willie McKemie >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 2:00 PM >To: maemo-users@maemo.org >Subject: Re: HP iPAQ BT keyboard > >On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:08:34PM -0500, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I encountered the same problem with my Nokia bt keyboard and >the N800. >> Took something like 20 tries to get past the authentication, >but I was >> eventually successful. Note that I only used 4 characters of my own >> choosing. Definitely seemed to be a timing issue. > >Thanks for the comments. After reading them, I discovered >that I could specify a "passcode". I tried again, this time >with a "passcode" of > to make the typing go faster. Now, instead of >"Authentication failed", I get "Device resources exceeded". >Also tried a single digit passcode of "9". It now seems >random whether I get "resources exceeded" or "Authentication failed". > >Come on, someone out there, either there is something I don't >understand about BT "pairing" or there is a bug. Someone tell me! > >> > >> >I haven't been able to "pair" the subject keyboard with my >800. I'm >> >pretty sure it's just cockpit error. Can someone tell my what I'm >> >doing wrong? >> > >> >The 800 searches for and finds the "BT-foldableKB". I select that >> >device and it the 800 assigns a "passcode". I then touch "OK" and >> >then type in the four digit pass code plus as fast >as I can. >> >Invariably, I get "Pairing failed Authentication failed Try >again?", >> >usually before I've finished typing the five key sequence. And >> >again. >> >And again. >-- >Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog! >http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995 >Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 28 days 14 hours 16 minutes >___ >maemo-users mailing list >maemo-users@maemo.org >https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: HP iPAQ BT keyboard
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 01:08:34PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I encountered the same problem with my Nokia bt keyboard and the N800. > Took something like 20 tries to get past the authentication, but I was > eventually successful. Note that I only used 4 characters of my own > choosing. Definitely seemed to be a timing issue. Thanks for the comments. After reading them, I discovered that I could specify a "passcode". I tried again, this time with a "passcode" of to make the typing go faster. Now, instead of "Authentication failed", I get "Device resources exceeded". Also tried a single digit passcode of "9". It now seems random whether I get "resources exceeded" or "Authentication failed". Come on, someone out there, either there is something I don't understand about BT "pairing" or there is a bug. Someone tell me! > > > >I haven't been able to "pair" the subject keyboard with my > >800. I'm pretty sure it's just cockpit error. Can someone > >tell my what I'm doing wrong? > > > >The 800 searches for and finds the "BT-foldableKB". I select > >that device and it the 800 assigns a "passcode". I then touch > >"OK" and then type in the four digit pass code plus > >as fast as I can. > >Invariably, I get "Pairing failed Authentication failed Try > >again?", usually before I've finished typing the five key > >sequence. And again. > >And again. -- Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog! http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995 Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 28 days 14 hours 16 minutes ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: HP iPAQ BT keyboard
I encountered the same problem with my Nokia bt keyboard and the N800. Took something like 20 tries to get past the authentication, but I was eventually successful. Note that I only used 4 characters of my own choosing. Definitely seemed to be a timing issue. Randall (Randy) Arnold Quality Feedback Analyst Nokia-CMO/Dallas >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Willie McKemie >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:27 PM >To: maemo-users@maemo.org >Subject: HP iPAQ BT keyboard > >I haven't been able to "pair" the subject keyboard with my >800. I'm pretty sure it's just cockpit error. Can someone >tell my what I'm doing wrong? > >The 800 searches for and finds the "BT-foldableKB". I select >that device and it the 800 assigns a "passcode". I then touch >"OK" and then type in the four digit pass code plus >as fast as I can. >Invariably, I get "Pairing failed Authentication failed Try >again?", usually before I've finished typing the five key >sequence. And again. >And again. > >-- >Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog! >http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995 >Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 28 days 13 hours 47 minutes >___ >maemo-users mailing list >maemo-users@maemo.org >https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
HP iPAQ BT keyboard
I haven't been able to "pair" the subject keyboard with my 800. I'm pretty sure it's just cockpit error. Can someone tell my what I'm doing wrong? The 800 searches for and finds the "BT-foldableKB". I select that device and it the 800 assigns a "passcode". I then touch "OK" and then type in the four digit pass code plus as fast as I can. Invariably, I get "Pairing failed Authentication failed Try again?", usually before I've finished typing the five key sequence. And again. And again. -- Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog! http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995 Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 28 days 13 hours 47 minutes ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
Fortunately a forum user at ITT downloaded the original "Skype on N800" YouTube video and has reposted it[1] - power to the people! ;) Skype appears 36 seconds into the video - it's not very clear and quite brief but this kind of thing (or a much improved version) would do wonders to get people talking about the N800... 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcrcLSae-t0 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I want to apologize to the entire list and especially to the hardworking > N800 folks. My original questions about release of information were > misunderstood and were never intended to indict anyone involved. I > didn't think that there was anything inflammatory in what I said but > perhaps I could have taken more time than I did to better word it. > > Suffice to say I do understand well the need for secrecy and in no way > intended to undermine that. Tablet users should understand that Nokia > has reasons for keeping certain details proprietary. My goal was only > to ask for some sort of official statement that could be provided to a > community eager for any news at all, even bad. I in no way expected > that secret details should be made available to the users in any way. I > am sorry that I was not careful enough in the wording of my post and > provided the wrong impression to some. For the record, I'm not flaming anyone in particular either - well OK, maybe just the whole Nokia Marketing Department! :) The secrecy is understandable where some aspects of development are concerned, but my main point is that Nokia could do more to build some "hype" about the forthcoming release by dropping a few hints in public, pretty much as Hanno pointed out. Nothing too detailed (although more detail would be nice) - just enough to whet the appetite, and if releases slip to give us a brief update. The "Skype seen in public" details seem to have been found by chance and not through any concious effort on behalf of Nokia to push this information into the public domain - it's interesting to note that someone found a YouTube video yesterday demonstrating Skype on N800, but it's already been taken down! What's so wrong with building a little interest in the product through some viral marketing? Tantalise your users, allow some word of mouth marketing to take place, torment us with hints, stimulate demand for this product. If something is secret then fair enough don't mention it but where you are able to discuss some great new features coming down the pipe let's hear it - maybe even a YouTube video so bloggers can write about it too! Let's build some (realistic) hype about the future releases in order to help promote this product! The current silence is deafening. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Think Outside Stowaway Bluetooth Wireless Keyboard
works fine, but the keyboard is, as others have pointed out, a little wierd. needs to be because of the limited size, but still gets me at least once a sentence :( On 7/1/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes. I have one. There are some anomalies; however, there are, I believe, related to the software on the N800. It works great with some apps and so-so with others. When I say so-so I mean specifically that the function keys may not be supported on the application. Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leandro Melo de Sales Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:09 AM To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Think Outside Stowaway Bluetooth Wireless Keyboard Hi, here in the Ottawa Linux Symposium I saw a guy that was using the the Think Outside Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard on this 770. I'd like to know if this keyboard is also supported by N800. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=SEARCH&Ntt=think+outsid e+keyboard&N=0&Dx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&D=think+outside+keyboard&Ntk=All&produ ct_code=50801445&Pn=Stowaway_Bluetooth_Wireless_Keyboard_for_Select_Pocket_P Cs Thanks, Leandro. -- Leandro Melo de Sales. Pervasive and Embedded Computing Laboratory http://embedded.ufcg.edu.br/ +55 083 3310-1404 (extension 208) "There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary, those who don't" ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Fwd: Skype on N800
I want to apologize to the entire list and especially to the hardworking N800 folks. My original questions about release of information were misunderstood and were never intended to indict anyone involved. I didn't think that there was anything inflammatory in what I said but perhaps I could have taken more time than I did to better word it. Suffice to say I do understand well the need for secrecy and in no way intended to undermine that. Tablet users should understand that Nokia has reasons for keeping certain details proprietary. My goal was only to ask for some sort of official statement that could be provided to a community eager for any news at all, even bad. I in no way expected that secret details should be made available to the users in any way. I am sorry that I was not careful enough in the wording of my post and provided the wrong impression to some. Randall (Randy) Arnold Quality Feedback Analyst Nokia-CMO/Dallas >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext MoRpHeUz >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:34 AM >To: Hanno Zulla >Cc: ext Neil MacLeod; maemo-users@maemo.org >Subject: Re: Fwd: Skype on N800 > >Hi, > >> Something like "a new firmware release is planned for next >month, but >> don't jump on us if we miss the date again. We made major >improvements >> in x, y and z and there are some surprise new features most of you >> will like a lot." > > Just to say that something like that came to public when we >had the announcement of Skype for N800. It said that at the >end of the first semester we would have Skype for N800 and if >I'm not wrong (I'm not sure about this), somewhere they >pointed out that we also should have a firmware release, this >is why everybody is talking about this "imminent" firmware. > >BR, > > >-- >--- >Blog: http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/ >PGP: 0xDBEEAAC3 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net >___ >maemo-users mailing list >maemo-users@maemo.org >https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:55:40AM +0300, Quim Gil wrote: > - Mixing commercial and proprietary software practices with free and > open source software practices might lead very easily to a mismatch of > expectations. If you're not careful, people will start expecting the high quality, customizability and openness of free software when they pay the prices of commercial software. -dsr- -- .. .. -- .-. . .- -.. .. -. --. -.-- --- ..- .-. -- .- .. .-.. .-.-.- .-- --- . .-.. ... . .. ... ..--.. http://tao.merseine.nu/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
MoRpHeUz schrieb: > Just to say that something like that came to public when we had the > announcement of Skype for N800. It said that at the end of the first > semester we would have Skype for N800 and if I'm not wrong (I'm not > sure about this), somewhere they pointed out that we also should have > a firmware release, this is why everybody is talking about this > "imminent" firmware. The end of the first semester was last week. A new announcement / status update wouldn't hurt. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
Quim Gil schrieb: > Skype seen (and pictured) working in the N800 in a Nokia stand at a > public event. Isn't this a communication? If you can showcase Skype on an N800 at a public event, why can't you announce it on the mailing list? It would be nice to hear at least some sort of whisper from the Nokia team about upcoming releases every now and then. Oh, and more frequent releases would be nice, as well. Something like "a new firmware release is planned for next month, but don't jump on us if we miss the date again. We made major improvements in x, y and z and there are some surprise new features most of you will like a lot." Most, if not all users know about software development and deadlines, so we will understand if an expected release date is postponed. But right now, it feels a bit lethargic, not really knowing anything and everyone speculating on ITT, irc and the mailing lists about an upcoming release which is "imminent", but fails to show up. Regards, Hanno ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fwd: Skype on N800
Hi, > Something like "a new firmware release is planned for next month, but > don't jump on us if we miss the date again. We made major improvements > in x, y and z and there are some surprise new features most of you will > like a lot." Just to say that something like that came to public when we had the announcement of Skype for N800. It said that at the end of the first semester we would have Skype for N800 and if I'm not wrong (I'm not sure about this), somewhere they pointed out that we also should have a firmware release, this is why everybody is talking about this "imminent" firmware. BR, -- --- Blog: http://labs.morpheuz.eng.br/blog/ PGP: 0xDBEEAAC3 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
