Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support
Le mardi 30 octobre 2007 à 09:36 +0200, Kalle Valo a écrit : ext Frédéric Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My AP (Freebox, an ISP set-top-box) seems to support WLAN PSM properly. If you have problems WLAN standby times I'm not yet convinced that your AP work correctly. After more tests, it appears both my AP don't support full PSM :( I'm curious, what tests failed? For Freebox, both tests, but ping one was really visible. And I noticed I got much better network response for browsing and so on since I set n800 back to default PSM timeout. I'll try to lower default value progressively to see if I can increase power saving while keeping network working. I couldn't extensively test arping on Fonera because it is using its own subnet (and I only have one Wifi element at home). And I need to reconfigure some routing to get ping working as expected. I'll report later about my progress. I've taken the liberty to write a summary of the various informations you gave here about PSM and how to change it on Maemo wiki. Feel free to fix errors I might have introduced : https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wifipsm/ Excellent, thank you! I have been planning to do that, but never managed to find time for that. I will try to add more information to the page at some stage. Great. I tried disabling Wii and it didn't bring any improvement, since PSM is really a problem for both my AP. I'll contact my ISP for the AP inside Freebox, maybe they can do something about it (it is using Ralink 2661 chipset). Feel free to add me as a technical contact. I don't know what is the exact problem with your AP, but at least I can explain to the manufacturer what they should support. Thanks, I'll add your email in the bug report (sorry, it is in french but it might interest other people on this mailing list) : http://bugs.freeplayer.org/task/2538 -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support
ext Frédéric Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My AP (Freebox, an ISP set-top-box) seems to support WLAN PSM properly. If you have problems WLAN standby times I'm not yet convinced that your AP work correctly. After more tests, it appears both my AP don't support full PSM :( I'm curious, what tests failed? Anyway, I've used your tests with full PSM and it appears both Freebox and Fonera (as noticed by Riku in another reply) have problems with it :( Too bad :( I've taken the liberty to write a summary of the various informations you gave here about PSM and how to change it on Maemo wiki. Feel free to fix errors I might have introduced : https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wifipsm/ Excellent, thank you! I have been planning to do that, but never managed to find time for that. I will try to add more information to the page at some stage. I tried disabling Wii and it didn't bring any improvement, since PSM is really a problem for both my AP. I'll contact my ISP for the AP inside Freebox, maybe they can do something about it (it is using Ralink 2661 chipset). Feel free to add me as a technical contact. I don't know what is the exact problem with your AP, but at least I can explain to the manufacturer what they should support. -- Kalle Valo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Use of enc wifi (wpa2 forced) causing streaming drop outs?
ext Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Guess this is going to be more difficult than I thought. After switching to wpa2/aes on AP...now it appears N800 drops streams after 30sec or so. Ends up resuming like 20-30 sec later every time. Sounds like a (yet another) WLAN Power Save Problem to me. Not seeing same issue with any other clients (xp, 2k, wm) and I've run streaming tests on them all. Unfortunately that doesn't tell much. I have understood that most of Windows laptops don't support WLAN Power Save Mode, so testing an AP with a Windows laptop doesn't tell much. WM is Windows Mobile, right? I have never tried a Windows Mobile device, I'm not aware of they use WLAN PSM or not. Everything's been power cycled. Using dd-wrt v24rc-4 on the ap. Try disabling WLAN PSM from N800 by setting BOTH wlan_sleep_timeout and inactive_wlan_sleep_timeout. Google is your friend. But please note that this will kill your battery life. -- Kalle Valo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Brick after battery dying?
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 14:39 +, ext Alan Williamson wrote: 2. The device does not charge; i plug in the power supply and nothing! i have to wiggle and *sometimes* it churps that the battery is charging That sounds like a broken charger plug. Try a different charger? //T ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 18:34 +, ext Steve Greenland wrote: More seriously: if you think that email is primitive and the various forum systems are superior, you simply haven't been introduced to the right tools, tools that have been developed for years specifically to handle large volumes of list mail. Or we can just face it: we're getting old and then new generation is enjoying different ways. :-) Boards serve some purposes pretty nicely I must admit. Namely the to follow XYZ, go to site XYZ, no matter what device you have, as long as it has a browser. //T ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 17:53 +0300, ext Berhan SOYLU wrote: I think we need a community message board. There will be a web interface similar to a message board to operate with maemo-users and maemo-developers. People preferring email will be able to continue using email. People preferring web based threads will be able to use them as well. Same content delivered at the same time, same possibility to post and reply. We have an experimental version running internally, it still needs more testing and bugfixing. There are other maemo.org priorities that go first, I'm hoping to reflect all this in the maemo roadmap... today? -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Aw: Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support
- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - Von: Kalle Valo [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: ext Frédéric Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: maemo-users maemo-users@maemo.org Gesendet: Di., 30. Okt. 2007 08:36:01 CET Betreff: Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support ext Frédéric Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My AP (Freebox, an ISP set-top-box) seems to support WLAN PSM properly. If you have problems WLAN standby times I'm not yet convinced that your AP work correctly. After more tests, it appears both my AP don't support full PSM :( I'm curious, what tests failed? Anyway, I've used your tests with full PSM and it appears both Freebox and Fonera (as noticed by Riku in another reply) have problems with it :( Too bad :( I've taken the liberty to write a summary of the various informations you gave here about PSM and how to change it on Maemo wiki. Feel free to fix errors I might have introduced : https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wifipsm/ Excellent, thank you! I have been planning to do that, but never managed to find time for that. I will try to add more information to the page at some stage. I tried disabling Wii and it didn't bring any improvement, since PSM is really a problem for both my AP. I'll contact my ISP for the AP inside Freebox, maybe they can do something about it (it is using Ralink 2661 chipset). Feel free to add me as a technical contact. I don't know what is the exact problem with your AP, but at least I can explain to the manufacturer what they should support. -- Kalle Valo ___ Would it make sense to add a table with different AP to document which AP works with setting xyz unter itos 200x and which will not? I could add information about optimized psm settings for Siemens sx-541 AP for n800 and 770 HE. That would give us an overview. What do you think? Regards Krischan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 Disk Full? Erratic Behavior SOLVED
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 16:42 +0200, Eero Tamminen wrote: Collect the application deps on MMC and install only the libraries they depend from. Then you can install/remove them on demand. That is slow though, so I wouldn't do it except for something that I need only very seldomly, but is then very important (such as nethack. ;-)). Thank you all to have replied! Bomberman and Blitzkrieg are installed permanently ;-) -- Peter Bart [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://petertheplumber.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Does N770 have a REAL memory limit to 64MB?
Yes, it is perfectly possible. MMC is partitioned in two: one is FAT and the other is LINUX. Both of them are going to be completely independent (they are different partitions). The FAT one is going to be accessible via USB to your PC. And, of course, the system may create on it the SWAP file of 64MB. The LINUX partition is going to be where the ROOT file system is installed. It will be as big as you have chosen, and it will be a bit faster because it is not compressed. Maybe almost double faster. 2007/10/29, Ádrian Lívio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Ryan Pavlik, Then, is possible to enable both solutions, boot from mmc and use swap in mmc? __ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 messed up after installation of LCARS theme.
Have you tried removing it? On 10/30/07, Michael Bernhard Arp Sørensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Has anyone of you had that problem before? My application manager does not start either. Is there a way to fix that? -- Med venlig hilsen/Kind regards Michael B. Arp Sørensen Programmør / BOFH Fuglebakken 2, Stevnstrup 8870 Langå Denmark F: 86432686 M: 40592903 Vores: http://arpsørensen.dk Hendes: http://charlottearp.dk Min: http://provingground.dk Byens portal: http://stevnstrup.dk I am /root and if you see me laughing you better have a backup. -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
Peter Flynn wrote: Berhan SOYLU wrote: I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes nearly 20 mails per a day...mail group is so primitive for this..Is there anyone who knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf or something like etc...? I can only speak for myself but the last thing on earth I want is a web-based message-board. I want the messages to come to me, not me have to go to the messages. The forms-based mechanism for replies is horribly clumsy on all the ones I have used, and the repositories don't thread properly, and people fill up their messages with all kinds of fancy HTML formatting. 20 mails a day is nothing. I can filter them, killfile a thread if needed, and keep the ones I want for reference -- on *my* disk, so I can refer to them whenever, rather than relying on someone else's server. No problem in having it both ways, with the list replicated to a BB front-end like LISTSERV, with a proper searchable archive and a form for posting. But please let's not drop the email mechanism: it's too valuable. I too prefer the mail interface to any web forum or board I've seen. The disadvantage of email is if you come late to a discussion - and that could be addressed by a good searchable, threaded archive. But what about a mail to nntp gateway? Usenet (remember news, anyone) is a good server-based system with client caching for fast access. And dialup users can pick the threads they want to download. Just a thought. Also, if you're using mail to keep track of busy lists, a good client is important. Any suggestions? -- Paul ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
N800 messed up after installation of LCARS theme.
Hi all. Has anyone of you had that problem before? My application manager does not start either. Is there a way to fix that? -- Med venlig hilsen/Kind regards Michael B. Arp Sørensen Programmør / BOFH Fuglebakken 2, Stevnstrup 8870 Langå Denmark F: 86432686 M: 40592903 Vores: http://arpsørensen.dk Hendes: http://charlottearp.dk Min: http://provingground.dk Byens portal: http://stevnstrup.dk I am /root and if you see me laughing you better have a backup. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
En/na Paul Dundas ha escrit: But what about a mail to nntp gateway? Usenet (remember news, anyone) is a good server-based system with client caching for fast access. And dialup users can pick the threads they want to download. Never heard of gmane.org? http://gmane.org/about.php http://news.gmane.org/search.php?match=maemo Bye -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Brick after battery dying?
Hi, ext Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 14:39 +, ext Alan Williamson wrote: 2. The device does not charge; i plug in the power supply and nothing! i have to wiggle and *sometimes* it churps that the battery is charging That sounds like a broken charger plug. Try a different charger? I would rather suspect the charger wire, it's not very easy to break the plug. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Installing apps when there's no installer
According to James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 27 October 2007 11:09:39 Steve Greenland wrote: According to Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: oh and you can't execute a binary from the mmc cards by default either. File system mount thing. Ah. But presumably you can $ ln -s /media/disk1/texmf/bin/latex /usr/local/bin/ (it certainly worked on the Zaurus). You can link, but if the card is mounted with the noexec option, it doesn't matter. The good news is that a simple mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc1 (as root) should fix it. Automating that I leave as an excercise for the reader (translateion: I don't know). Steve edit fstab and remove the word noexec. Ummm, maybe not. My fstab has this entry: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=2 0 0 But no entry for mmc2. OTOH, my /proc/mounts (which should show the actual mounted disks) has: /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc2 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=2,fmask=0022,dmask=,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8 0 0 /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=2,fmask=0022,dmask=,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8 0 0 Note that the device names are switched compared to fstab. For devices that are automounted via udev (which is what I assume is happening with the memory cards), I'm not sure that fstab has any influence. I'd guess that the way to control this involves one of the udev config files, but poking around in /etc/udev didn't lead to any obvious candidates. Steve, not a udev expert. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Does N770 have a REAL memory limit to 64MB?
This is not an accurate statement. The MMC card offers additional file storage (it shows up in applications and the File manager). Additionally, you can enable extend virtual memory which offers a sort of swap space which lets you run more applications at once (extending the 64mb built in ram with a slower flash-backed hard drive). Using a standard 770, you cannot increase the amount of space to _install_ applications: this is limited to 128. In fact, after you install the app, you could move it to the memory card and make link to it from the vanilla device. That way, memory stays low. Zoran ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
maemo installtion error
Hello everyone, I am trying to install maemo on my PC.i am running xephyr on one terminal and i am trying to run maemo on another terminal ..I got the following errors .looking forward for some help :) . Regards Anand. [sbox-SDK_PC: ~] af-sb-init.sh start Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! Sample files present. DBUS system bus is already running, doing nothing Starting D-BUS session bus daemon Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher start failed. Starting Sapwood image server Starting Matchbox window manager sapwood-server[4981]: GLIB INFO default - server started Starting clipboard-manager Starting Keyboard maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/hildon-input-method.launch' maemo-launcher: child (pid=5021) terminated due to signal=11 /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 9: 5020 Segmentation fault (core dumped) $CMD $PARAMS Starting MAEMO AF Desktop maemo-launcher: invoking '/usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop.launch' maemo-launcher: child (pid=5038) terminated due to signal=11 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Steve's Ranty Review #1: N800 ogg support
Le mardi 30 octobre 2007 à 09:02 +0100, Frederic Crozat a écrit : Le mardi 30 octobre 2007 à 09:36 +0200, Kalle Valo a écrit : ext Frédéric Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I tried disabling Wii and it didn't bring any improvement, since PSM is really a problem for both my AP. I'll contact my ISP for the AP inside Freebox, maybe they can do something about it (it is using Ralink 2661 chipset). Feel free to add me as a technical contact. I don't know what is the exact problem with your AP, but at least I can explain to the manufacturer what they should support. Thanks, I'll add your email in the bug report (sorry, it is in french but it might interest other people on this mailing list) : http://bugs.freeplayer.org/task/2538 I just got a reply from them : they say they debugged PSM intensively when they started proposing SIP mobile phones, so it should be working. And of course, they are asking if they can get a n800 to debug :) (they are geeks, like all of us :p ) I'll see if I can try to work as the test guy between you and them ;) -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
n800 user reviews
ive checked the specs and pricing on the n800 and i was wondering if anyone had some honest feedback after using it for a few months++. The review sites rate it based on a few days of use(if that) and thats not a really good review of how good or bad it is. i am a power user who plans on installing apt, bash, ssh(client) and mplayer, etc to get stuff to work like it were a small(form factor) laptop. with that specifically: can i plug in usb stuff to it? i can get usb converters i dont care about that. do bluetooth headsets work with it? as in you got something to work? if so what kind? battery is advertised to be about 3 hours for wifi and 5 for video, does that seem to mesh with your experience? does the battery life degrade over time badly? did you find yourself needing more than the two flash card slots? do you use more than 4 gigs of storage(2 gig sd seems cheap now). how is the UI overall? i can console but i do enjoy ease of use(i find gnome easy to use). appreciate the feedback(if any). -- -jon http://www.jdodson.org http://youtube.com/jbdodson ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n800 user reviews
Jon Dodson wrote: can i plug in usb stuff to it? i can get usb converters i dont care about that. The normal USB setup is for mounting the N800's SD cards as drives on a PC. There's been some discussion on this list of running the N800 in host mode, but that would require some cable magic and I'm unclear about the success rate. If anyone has been able to plug the N800 into a digital camera I'd love to hear about it. Any experience with something like this? http://www.delkin.com/products/connect/usbbridge/ do bluetooth headsets work with it? as in you got something to work? if so what kind? Haven't tried. The N800 has worked with every set of wired headphones I've used, though. battery is advertised to be about 3 hours for wifi and 5 for video, does that seem to mesh with your experience? Maybe just a tad optimistic, but I've had no issues on long airplane flights listening to the Greatful Dead while playing Aisle Riot. does the battery life degrade over time badly? Not so far. The battery is a standard removable/replaceable Nokia BP-5L, which runs $30 to $50 at online retailers. did you find yourself needing more than the two flash card slots? do you use more than 4 gigs of storage(2 gig sd seems cheap now). Not so far. But I haven't stocked it up with video. I am using the internal card primarily for swap and the external SD for media files. how is the UI overall? i can console but i do enjoy ease of use(i find gnome easy to use). Not bad overall. It's more stylus-friendly than finger-friendly overall, especially when using some of the contrib applications (i.e. Claws mail). I think the upcoming revision of the UI (created for the 810) is a significant visual improvement and look forward to the upgrade. In general, I use mine pretty much as a toy, for checking mail and looking up stuff on Google/Wikipedia while wandering around, and for Skype. Being able to call home practically free from Europe while not having to drag out the laptop was very nice. When I can't find an open wifi point, the N800 easily connects through my Nokia cellphone to T-Mobile's EDGE/GPRS network. Setting that up took about 90 seconds and all the T-Mobile magic was preconfigured for me. Most network providers are included. VERY well done! Overall, though, if I had no laptop I'd make that my first priority, especially with Wal-Mart selling a basic Acer for about the same price as I paid for my N800. The very small form factor of the N800 has advantages, but I find it much too small for any extended work. YMMV. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n800 user reviews
Thanks for the feedback Steve! I don't plan on using as a total laptop replacement, so that was a bit of a misnomer I guess. I plan on really using it to surf the web, watch video and do some more advanced stuff from a slim device. I run linux @ home so having a device like that is what I want to roll with. I traveled this year and a friend had a cellphone that could do internet, that was cool. I realized I wanted to surf the web from a small device but I dont want the phone. Ive had laptops in the past but they are just a bit too big to stuff in a hiking/travel bag :) On Oct 30, 2007 12:42 PM, Steve Yelvington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Dodson wrote: can i plug in usb stuff to it? i can get usb converters i dont care about that. The normal USB setup is for mounting the N800's SD cards as drives on a PC. There's been some discussion on this list of running the N800 in host mode, but that would require some cable magic and I'm unclear about the success rate. If anyone has been able to plug the N800 into a digital camera I'd love to hear about it. Any experience with something like this? http://www.delkin.com/products/connect/usbbridge/ do bluetooth headsets work with it? as in you got something to work? if so what kind? Haven't tried. The N800 has worked with every set of wired headphones I've used, though. battery is advertised to be about 3 hours for wifi and 5 for video, does that seem to mesh with your experience? Maybe just a tad optimistic, but I've had no issues on long airplane flights listening to the Greatful Dead while playing Aisle Riot. does the battery life degrade over time badly? Not so far. The battery is a standard removable/replaceable Nokia BP-5L, which runs $30 to $50 at online retailers. did you find yourself needing more than the two flash card slots? do you use more than 4 gigs of storage(2 gig sd seems cheap now). Not so far. But I haven't stocked it up with video. I am using the internal card primarily for swap and the external SD for media files. how is the UI overall? i can console but i do enjoy ease of use(i find gnome easy to use). Not bad overall. It's more stylus-friendly than finger-friendly overall, especially when using some of the contrib applications (i.e. Claws mail). I think the upcoming revision of the UI (created for the 810) is a significant visual improvement and look forward to the upgrade. In general, I use mine pretty much as a toy, for checking mail and looking up stuff on Google/Wikipedia while wandering around, and for Skype. Being able to call home practically free from Europe while not having to drag out the laptop was very nice. When I can't find an open wifi point, the N800 easily connects through my Nokia cellphone to T-Mobile's EDGE/GPRS network. Setting that up took about 90 seconds and all the T-Mobile magic was preconfigured for me. Most network providers are included. VERY well done! Overall, though, if I had no laptop I'd make that my first priority, especially with Wal-Mart selling a basic Acer for about the same price as I paid for my N800. The very small form factor of the N800 has advantages, but I find it much too small for any extended work. YMMV. -- -jon http://www.jdodson.org http://youtube.com/jbdodson ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n800 user reviews
Jon - I've written a fair bit about the tablet here - http://tinyurl.com/yw9b6e and here - http://www.maemoapps.com While not as geeky as you ... Mac guy on the desktop. The tablet will easily fill your need for the mobile internet / media player - watch though watch how you encode stuff (particularly video). You might find you want a nice bluetooth capable phone so you don't have to rely on wifi ... I get a really nice HSDPA signal when I head into NYC from my house and it's super quick on the tablet. Like walking wifi! EDGE works fine too for basic browsing, email and feed reading, but streaming needs more juice... On 10/30/07, Jon Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the feedback Steve! I don't plan on using as a total laptop replacement, so that was a bit of a misnomer I guess. I plan on really using it to surf the web, watch video and do some more advanced stuff from a slim device. I run linux @ home so having a device like that is what I want to roll with. I traveled this year and a friend had a cellphone that could do internet, that was cool. I realized I wanted to surf the web from a small device but I dont want the phone. Ive had laptops in the past but they are just a bit too big to stuff in a hiking/travel bag :) On Oct 30, 2007 12:42 PM, Steve Yelvington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Dodson wrote: can i plug in usb stuff to it? i can get usb converters i dont care about that. The normal USB setup is for mounting the N800's SD cards as drives on a PC. There's been some discussion on this list of running the N800 in host mode, but that would require some cable magic and I'm unclear about the success rate. If anyone has been able to plug the N800 into a digital camera I'd love to hear about it. Any experience with something like this? http://www.delkin.com/products/connect/usbbridge/ do bluetooth headsets work with it? as in you got something to work? if so what kind? Haven't tried. The N800 has worked with every set of wired headphones I've used, though. battery is advertised to be about 3 hours for wifi and 5 for video, does that seem to mesh with your experience? Maybe just a tad optimistic, but I've had no issues on long airplane flights listening to the Greatful Dead while playing Aisle Riot. does the battery life degrade over time badly? Not so far. The battery is a standard removable/replaceable Nokia BP-5L, which runs $30 to $50 at online retailers. did you find yourself needing more than the two flash card slots? do you use more than 4 gigs of storage(2 gig sd seems cheap now). Not so far. But I haven't stocked it up with video. I am using the internal card primarily for swap and the external SD for media files. how is the UI overall? i can console but i do enjoy ease of use(i find gnome easy to use). Not bad overall. It's more stylus-friendly than finger-friendly overall, especially when using some of the contrib applications (i.e. Claws mail). I think the upcoming revision of the UI (created for the 810) is a significant visual improvement and look forward to the upgrade. In general, I use mine pretty much as a toy, for checking mail and looking up stuff on Google/Wikipedia while wandering around, and for Skype. Being able to call home practically free from Europe while not having to drag out the laptop was very nice. When I can't find an open wifi point, the N800 easily connects through my Nokia cellphone to T-Mobile's EDGE/GPRS network. Setting that up took about 90 seconds and all the T-Mobile magic was preconfigured for me. Most network providers are included. VERY well done! Overall, though, if I had no laptop I'd make that my first priority, especially with Wal-Mart selling a basic Acer for about the same price as I paid for my N800. The very small form factor of the N800 has advantages, but I find it much too small for any extended work. YMMV. -- -jon http://www.jdodson.org http://youtube.com/jbdodson ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: need a community board?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Tuomas Kuosmanen wrote: Boards serve some purposes pretty nicely I must admit. Namely the to follow XYZ, go to site XYZ, no matter what device you have, as long as it has a browser. Yep. That's a nice feature. Now if forums would not waste a lot of my time by making me visit the site, wait for it to be rendered, click on a message and wait for the thread to be displayed, etc etc I might use them. Even with the fast connections available these days visiting a single forum simply takes too much time. And time is a valuable commodity. I prefer 'wasting' it on a good book... Best regards, Jac --- Jac KersingTechnical Consultant The-Box Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] CISSP RHCEhttp://www.the-box.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n800 user reviews
On Oct 30, 2007 1:47 PM, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon - I've written a fair bit about the tablet here - http://tinyurl.com/yw9b6e and here - http://www.maemoapps.com Thanks for that I will check it out. http://www.maemoapps.com works fine too for basic browsing, email and feed reading, but streaming needs more juice... Well I want to use it to stream flash with the browser, how does that fare? -- -jon http://www.jdodson.org http://youtube.com/jbdodson ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WPA difficulties
Kalle Valo wrote: ext Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pretty much everything is working on my N800, including all my WEP connections. WPA, however, is not. The campus LAN uses a hidden SSID and requires my MAC address and provides a username and password. This works fine in WPA Enterprise using Network-Manager on my Ubuntu Gutsy laptop: Network Name: (the SSID) EAP: PEAP Key: Auto Default Phase2: None Identity: (username) Password: (password) Anon Ident: (username again) Client Cert: none CA Cert: none Priv Key: none Priv Key password: blank In OS 2007, I am using: Connection name: (I made one up) Connection type: WLAN SSID: (the SSID) Network is hidden: checked Mode: Infrastructure Security: WPA with EAP EAP Type: PEAP Select cert: none EAP method: MSCHAPv2 Usename: (username) Password: (password) Prompt for password: unchecked (ie No) In Advanced/EAP: Use manual username: checked Manual username: (username) Require client auth: checked I think you should try with client auth disabled, because you have disabled similar sounding setting (Client Cert) from Network Manager. From memory, I tired it, but the result was that it then doesn't prompt for any password, and a password is essential in this configuration. I was under the impression (obviously wrong) that Require client auth meant use a password. I'll be on campus tomorrow so I'll try. Is there a known problem with WPA authentication? Or am I doing something obviously wrong? I'm not aware of any big problems with WPA authentication. With EAP there's always a Radius server involved, so maybe this is a some kind of interoperability problem with the Radius server? Possible, but I'd need to get the network guys to dig into the Radius server logs for me. If you have the time, I would appreciate if you could file a bug report to bugzilla. Try to include as much as information as possible. No problem (what's the address of the maemo bugzilla?) ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 messed up after installation of LCARS theme.
Michael Wiktowy wrote: On 10/30/07, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/30/07, Michael Bernhard Arp Sørensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Has anyone of you had that problem before? My application manager does not start either. Is there a way to fix that? Have you tried removing it? It being what in this context? The application manager? I wouldn't suggest that. The LCARS theme? Hard to do if his application manager doesn't work. Michael, I have installed the LCARS theme in the past (in fact, it might have been last halloween :]) without difficulty and it was probably on the 770 and not the N800. More recent firmware could have changed how things work causing the theme to not install correctly anymore. In fact, there is a big fat warning on the homepage stating such things: from http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD : WARNING:These themes have an incompatibility with Nokia's July 6, 2007, software update for N800 (version 4.2007.26-8) which results in the original statusbar and task navigator icons failing to be restored upon uninstallation of a theme. So, pending a workaround, do not install LCARS on the new OS (unless you want to keep it :) I checked my version and it wasn't that one so I installed LCARS Brigde and the sounds. It's impressive and I'd love to keep it...BUT: it screws up GPE Calendar because each appointment is displayed in white on pale yellow which is illegible, and I haven't found any way to reconfigure the colours (if anyone has this info for GPE or LCARS please let me know). The only buglet in the Home interface was that there was no image showing for the web icon (top LH corner). So I went back to Adria. There does still seem to be some instability in the diversion and replacement of icons, as the second icon down on the LH side was missing. Reinstalled, and now the tray at the top showed new (LCARS) icons which weren't there before. Gave up on finding any info on how to fix GPE Calendar colours, so I went to use Balaton and uninstalled the packages entirely. The tray icons still show LCARS (not a problem) and the sounds are still there :-) but the second icon down is back, but the top one and the third one are missing entirely. Reflashing the firmware will hopefully clear things up. Hopefully this theme gets fixed up to work with more recent firmware. I've only had the N800 a week, so I'd rather not reflash and lose everything yet. The current settings are workable, and if I can find a way to fix the GPE colours when LCARS is active, I'd go back to LCARS permanently. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: charger for the n800
should be cool ... the thin plug fits most newer nokias now On 10/30/07, Jonathan Jesse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home. Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the charger is compatible? Thanks, Jonathan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
charger for the n800
Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home. Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the charger is compatible? Thanks, Jonathan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n800 user reviews
Fred Chittenden wrote: My n800 has almost replaced my laptop. I'd be set to go that far...if I can find a Java that runs on the N800. I need to run Saxon, which requires a JRE. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: charger for the n800
I can't even tell you what charger I am using with which device. I have quite a few N-Series phones and several tablets as well as the Nokia GPS. They all use the same plugs and work just fine. I would not suggest getting a no-name brand... I've had trouble there with the unit not charging. On 10/30/07, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Jesse wrote: Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home. Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the charger is compatible? Jonathan Greene wrote: should be cool ... the thin plug fits most newer nokias now Does this mean any Nokia charger with the thin plug will do? Can you buy N800 US chargers separately? This would avoid me having to bring a plug-adaptor to the US (UK-style 3-square-pin mains plugs, which are heavy and bulky, have a habit of dragging plug-adaptors out of US wall sockets). ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n800 user reviews
Fred -- get ready to really be happy with either your current N800 or the new N810 (see below) On 10/30/07, Fred Chittenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:54:19 -0700 Jon Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ive checked the specs and pricing on the n800 and i was wondering if anyone had some honest feedback after using it for a few months++. The review sites rate it based on a few days of use(if that) and thats not a really good review of how good or bad it is. i am a power user who plans on installing apt, bash, ssh(client) and mplayer, etc to get stuff to work like it were a small(form factor) laptop. with that specifically: can i plug in usb stuff to it? i can get usb converters i dont care about that. do bluetooth headsets work with it? as in you got something to work? if so what kind? battery is advertised to be about 3 hours for wifi and 5 for video, does that seem to mesh with your experience? does the battery life degrade over time badly? did you find yourself needing more than the two flash card slots? do you use more than 4 gigs of storage(2 gig sd seems cheap now). how is the UI overall? i can console but i do enjoy ease of use(i find gnome easy to use). appreciate the feedback(if any). My n800 has almost replaced my laptop. I use the n800 about 70% of the time I'd otherwise have used my laptop. * I carry it almost everywhere since I can almost always find an open wifi signal in a few minutes if I want to hook up. * It's good, not great at youtube like stuff, It doesn't do quicktime movies, so far. The new update to the OS and Browser with Flash 9 make this considerably better. Flash is smooth on YouTube and you can do MP4 now as well. *No blue tooth earphones -- but then that would cut battery life, especially if one attemped wifi internet and blue tooth ear phones at the same time. I'll err on the side of battery life, besides the n800 ear phones are also the fm radio antenna. You'll be able to pair and use a headset for VOIP ... works great! Sure it uses a bit of battery, but you can choose to use it when you need it rather than leaving it on all the time. *No office suite, so far. Google Docs is a default bookmark on the new unit (and I presume in the firmware in general). The site works remarkably well this time around and is something I've been really using much more on my desktop since I can easily access things as they are from the tablet. *It worked great in Europe phoning home (USA) at 1.2 cents a minute using gismo project. Skype, Gizmo and Gtalk are built in and you can also add additional SIP service accounts if you like and need them. It boots up quickly, or you can suspend key and screen for immediate access with long battery life. Finding the N810 boots even more quickly -- though to be honest I don't ever turn it off. *The desktop is easy to organize to read emails and rss's. This alone saves me perhaps 30 minutes a day, before I get out of bed. *Games are mediocre, but enough to fill gaps. I'll probably bite on the n810with the key board in a few months after the price moderates and pass the n800 on to my daughter or wife. -- Always Fred Chittenden, DDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: charger for the n800
I would strongly suggest a usb recharging solution using cable from BoxWave or JavoEdge. BoxWave's cable provides sync/charge (charge is 'cracked' out dc plug from usb power pins) and JavoEdge is charge only. Using this I can get charged 100% on N800. They work excellent via ac/wall xformer or usb hub. I have all my crap recharging via retractible cables (pdas, 720p camera, mp3 players) and it's quite the kewl solution. I hate having to lug chargers around and now just carry my master Tumi universal power supply and a small handful of charge cables...plus one regular usb-mini for when I am charging/sync'g off of computer. I also carry a regular usb extension cable and a special usb-dc adaptor for the cameras and other 5v stuff. It's really liberating man... mike Peter Flynn wrote: Jonathan Jesse wrote: Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home. Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the charger is compatible? Jonathan Greene wrote: should be cool ... the thin plug fits most newer nokias now Does this mean any Nokia charger with the thin plug will do? Can you buy N800 US chargers separately? This would avoid me having to bring a plug-adaptor to the US (UK-style 3-square-pin mains plugs, which are heavy and bulky, have a habit of dragging plug-adaptors out of US wall sockets). ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: charger for the n800
My Boxwave has been flaky... I've had much better access with the Proporta Mobile Power pack which can charge all my gear and do it while connected to my laptop (being charged itself) or on the go from my gadget / laptop bag and in the car. On 10/30/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would strongly suggest a usb recharging solution using cable from BoxWave or JavoEdge. BoxWave's cable provides sync/charge (charge is 'cracked' out dc plug from usb power pins) and JavoEdge is charge only. Using this I can get charged 100% on N800. They work excellent via ac/wall xformer or usb hub. I have all my crap recharging via retractible cables (pdas, 720p camera, mp3 players) and it's quite the kewl solution. I hate having to lug chargers around and now just carry my master Tumi universal power supply and a small handful of charge cables...plus one regular usb-mini for when I am charging/sync'g off of computer. I also carry a regular usb extension cable and a special usb-dc adaptor for the cameras and other 5v stuff. It's really liberating man... mike Peter Flynn wrote: Jonathan Jesse wrote: Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home. Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the charger is compatible? Jonathan Greene wrote: should be cool ... the thin plug fits most newer nokias now Does this mean any Nokia charger with the thin plug will do? Can you buy N800 US chargers separately? This would avoid me having to bring a plug-adaptor to the US (UK-style 3-square-pin mains plugs, which are heavy and bulky, have a habit of dragging plug-adaptors out of US wall sockets). ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: charger for the n800
My results are different. My BoxWave cable for my 8525 actually is usable with my Motorola S9/820 bt headphones and my Holux lipstick gps. I bought 2 usb battery packs...APC and JavoEdge. The APC is ONLY chargeable via regular usb cable whereas the JavoEdge battery (same ah I think) recharges with either sync/charge cable or just charge cable. The JavoEdge also has an eyelet at top so you could (hang on...I know this is uber-geeky) attach it to lanyard around your neck and use your phone/camera/etc. while recharging. I like this versatility a lotand my wife really likes the new setup (passing wife test is always a good thing) as there is less crap everywhere and it actually looks kinda sorta elegant. My phone has like 4 radios on it (gps, ir, wifi, cellular, bt) and sometimes you never can be sure if your battery is going to last. It's good to know that with a minimal amount of stuff I can never again have to worry about running out of juice at critical moments (miss the camera shot, etc.). cheers, mike Jonathan Greene wrote: My Boxwave has been flaky... I've had much better access with the Proporta Mobile Power pack which can charge all my gear and do it while connected to my laptop (being charged itself) or on the go from my gadget / laptop bag and in the car. On 10/30/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would strongly suggest a usb recharging solution using cable from BoxWave or JavoEdge. BoxWave's cable provides sync/charge (charge is 'cracked' out dc plug from usb power pins) and JavoEdge is charge only. Using this I can get charged 100% on N800. They work excellent via ac/wall xformer or usb hub. I have all my crap recharging via retractible cables (pdas, 720p camera, mp3 players) and it's quite the kewl solution. I hate having to lug chargers around and now just carry my master Tumi universal power supply and a small handful of charge cables...plus one regular usb-mini for when I am charging/sync'g off of computer. I also carry a regular usb extension cable and a special usb-dc adaptor for the cameras and other 5v stuff. It's really liberating man... mike Peter Flynn wrote: Jonathan Jesse wrote: Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home. Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the charger is compatible? Jonathan Greene wrote: should be cool ... the thin plug fits most newer nokias now Does this mean any Nokia charger with the thin plug will do? Can you buy N800 US chargers separately? This would avoid me having to bring a plug-adaptor to the US (UK-style 3-square-pin mains plugs, which are heavy and bulky, have a habit of dragging plug-adaptors out of US wall sockets). ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
How to get rid of this error.
Hi all, We are using Ubuntu, scratchbox 1.0.7, how to over come this error while running C++ program.. [sbox-SDK_X86: ~/apps] g++ ex1.cc -o ex1 `pkg-config hildon-libsmm hildon-fmmm --cflags --libs` Package sigc++-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `sigc++-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable Package 'sigc++-2.0', required by 'GLibmm', not found ex1.cc:1:22: hildonmm.h: No such file or directory ex1.cc: In function `int main(int, char**)': ex1.cc:7: error: `Gtk' has not been declared ex1.cc:7: error: `Main' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:7: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) ex1.cc:7: error: expected `;' before kit ex1.cc:8: error: `Hildon' has not been declared ex1.cc:8: error: `init' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:10: error: `osso_context_t' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:10: error: `osso_context' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:10: error: `TRUE' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:10: error: `osso_initialize' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:14: error: `Glib' has not been declared ex1.cc:14: error: `set_application_name' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:17: error: `Hildon' has not been declared ex1.cc:17: error: `Window' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:17: error: expected `;' before window ex1.cc:18: error: `Hildon' has not been declared ex1.cc:18: error: `get_instance' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:18: error: `window' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:21: error: `Gtk' has not been declared ex1.cc:21: error: `Label' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:21: error: expected `;' before label ex1.cc:22: error: `label' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:26: error: `kit' undeclared (first use this function) ex1.cc:28: error: `osso_deinitialize' undeclared (first use this function) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: charger for the n800
Peter Flynn wrote: Jonathan Jesse wrote: Quick question, I'm off traveling and have left the charger at home. Someone at the same confrence has a n770 and I am wondering if the charger is compatible? Jonathan Greene wrote: should be cool ... the thin plug fits most newer nokias now Does this mean any Nokia charger with the thin plug will do? presumably. Can you buy N800 US chargers separately? This would avoid me having to bring a plug-adaptor to the US (UK-style 3-square-pin mains plugs, which are heavy and bulky, have a habit of dragging plug-adaptors out of US wall sockets). Yep - I picked up a spare AC-4U (Nokia model number) online to have a charger to leave plugged in and one to bring with. Same as what it came with, and the online listing said it was compatible with about a billion devices :D Ryan -- Ryan Pavlik AbiWord Win32 Platform Maintainer, Art Lead: www.abisource.com AbiWord Community Outreach Project: www.cleardefinition.com/oss/abi/blog/ Optimism is the father that leads to achievement. -- Helen Keller The folder structure in a modern Linux distribution such as Ubuntu was largely inspired by the original UNIX foundations that were created by men with large beards and sensible jumpers. -- Jono Bacon, The Ubuntu Guide ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
