Re: further beating on OS2008 beta
Hi, ext James Sparenberg wrote: Press Home key and thumb the terminal you want from the window list. (it would be nice if the terminal would e.g. show the current directory name in the window title though) Not very practical actually. If the screen updates (which if say I'm compiling remotely it's constantly doing) then as soon as the home widget pops up it closes and you can't use it. (in full screen mode) plus to do this also requires that you 1. close the keyboard 2. put away the stylus 3. change hand position and minimize the screen The above steps are not needed. 4. use home key open the list 5. change windows If you have the full screen finger keyboard open, you need to press Home key twice (first press closes FKBD), otherwise one Home key press is enough. 6. re-maximize This step is not needed either. The thumb keyboard in xterm is a problem because it takes focus away from the term window, when it does it makes it conceptually, if nothing else, harder to use., so for me I stick with the pop-up keyboard. Honestly for me the keys (home/menu/) and the D-Pad aren't used much at all. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Missing pand on OS 2008?
Hi, this is great news! Thanks, I'm gonna try it this evening. Cheers, Martin 2007/12/3, Frantisek Dufka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK, here is full script that works for me http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=104034#post104034 Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: further beating on OS2008 beta
James Sparenberg wrote: But I find a relatively common use case for terminal involves switching terminals when in fullscreen mode - more so than switching apps. And in full screen mode (maximising terminal space), tabs really help this. Press Home key and thumb the terminal you want from the window list. (it would be nice if the terminal would e.g. show the current directory name in the window title though) Not very practical actually. If the screen updates (which if say I'm compiling remotely it's constantly doing) then as soon as the home widget pops up it closes and you can't use it. [clip] No, it does not close. The menu stays on top while Xterm updates below it (OS v1.2007.44-4). 1. close the keyboard 2. put away the stylus 3. change hand position and minimize the screen 4. use home key open the list 5. change windows 6. re-maximize No offence, but it's really starting to sound like you're complaining before giving the home key method a chance... That list is quite far from reality. All solutions to this problem are compromises, but as far as I'm concerned, the compromise in OS2008 is a damn good one: For the price of one additional key press we get maximal screen estate. As an added bonus the problem is solved platform wide, not just for one program. - Jussi -- Jussi Kukkonen http://koti.welho.com/jkukkone/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: DHCP problems on nokia n800 after OS2008 beta update
Thanks for the information. I'm using the same ZyXEL router specified in bug 2464. 2007/12/3, Kalle Valo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ext Ruben Mur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: after updating my nokia n800 to OS2008 i can´t connect to my wlan. It seems a problem with dhcp client, because if I configure the connection manually everything works correctly. I tried to connect with my pc and dhcp works fine. Does anyone have the same problem?. Sometime there might be some interoperability problems with certain DHCP servers. My recommendation is to file a bug about this to Connectivity/Networking and provide information as much as possible. That way there are better chances to get the bug fixed. Here are some questions for you: What is the make and model of your AP? (Please to be precise as possible.) What are the DHCP settings in AP? Does changing them help? It would help a lot if you can take wireless or Ethernet dump of the DHCP packets. For example you can use tcpdump or wireshark. But it might be tricky if you haven't done this before. Also check this bug, it might be related: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2464 -- Kalle Valo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Comparison of Nokia 810 with the HP iPAQ rx5915
All does anyone on this list have a comparison of the Nokia 810 with the HP iPAQ rx5915? For those not aware of it, here is the url to the www page at the Amazon.com www site for the HP product. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000JET9EA/ref=pe_17140_7377440_as_txt_12/?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER I see that the HP unit supports an external antenna, I assume for the GPS but I am not sure. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: further beating on OS2008 beta
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 12:25:54 am Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext James Sparenberg wrote: Press Home key and thumb the terminal you want from the window list. (it would be nice if the terminal would e.g. show the current directory name in the window title though) Not very practical actually. If the screen updates (which if say I'm compiling remotely it's constantly doing) then as soon as the home widget pops up it closes and you can't use it. (in full screen mode) plus to do this also requires that you 1. close the keyboard 2. put away the stylus 3. change hand position and minimize the screen The above steps are not needed. 4. use home key open the list 5. change windows If you have the full screen finger keyboard open, you need to press Home key twice (first press closes FKBD), otherwise one Home key press is enough. 6. re-maximize This step is not needed either. This is what I think you don't understand. Using the thumkeyboard in Xterm is a royal problem. It just doesn't work right, period, because you can't use it and see/read the screen at the same time. No cut and paste, and heaven help you if you are doing e-macs or vi ... because... depending on the remote system it often causes problems in that data previously entered gets lost due to focus change. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: further beating on OS2008 beta
On Monday 03 December 2007 11:18:52 pm Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: On Dec 3, 2007 11:58 PM, James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 03 December 2007 01:27:22 am Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext Paul Dundas wrote: Why did they remove the useful tabs and replace it with multiple windows? Given that there is no WM in the traditional sense you can't resize and move between them easily. Tabs afforded the ability to quickly manage multiple term windows (my record on the IT is 10 tabs.) Windows bring this to a grinding halt. Because the platform style is multiple windows. And tabs wasted quite a lot of *terminal window* space. But I find a relatively common use case for terminal involves switching terminals when in fullscreen mode - more so than switching apps. And in full screen mode (maximising terminal space), tabs really help this. Press Home key and thumb the terminal you want from the window list. (it would be nice if the terminal would e.g. show the current directory name in the window title though) Not very practical actually. If the screen updates (which if say I'm compiling remotely it's constantly doing) then as soon as the home widget pops up it closes and you can't use it. (in full screen mode) plus to do this also requires that you I just tried this in OS2008 and it doesn't work as you say. Looks like they've fixed it. The home widget stays there until you explicitly tell it to go away. Perhaps allowing people to turn the feature on and off might be good. On the other hand I never heard anyone complaining about the tabs, or the bar on the right. One size doesn't fit all you know. I support customization. You can put as many as you want into the Terminal application: is not intended for the end user anyway. If the software isn't intended to be used by Nokia's customers who is supposed to use it? James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: further beating on OS2008 beta
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 16:37 -0800, ext James Sparenberg wrote: If the software isn't intended to be used by Nokia's customers who is supposed to use it? As a matter of fact we were using the terminal far before it was decided to release it for the users. Not that it shouldn't be available, but your statement wasn't exactly true ;-) Actually I'd be positively surprised if it was made available pre-installed in the final image ... -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: further beating on OS2008 beta
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 01:32:43 am Jussi Kukkonen wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: But I find a relatively common use case for terminal involves switching terminals when in fullscreen mode - more so than switching apps. And in full screen mode (maximising terminal space), tabs really help this. Press Home key and thumb the terminal you want from the window list. (it would be nice if the terminal would e.g. show the current directory name in the window title though) Not very practical actually. If the screen updates (which if say I'm compiling remotely it's constantly doing) then as soon as the home widget pops up it closes and you can't use it. [clip] No, it does not close. The menu stays on top while Xterm updates below it (OS v1.2007.44-4). 1. close the keyboard 2. put away the stylus 3. change hand position and minimize the screen 4. use home key open the list 5. change windows 6. re-maximize No offence, but it's really starting to sound like you're complaining before giving the home key method a chance... That list is quite far from reality. Actually the above was there and now that window does stay up... now it stays up no matter what I do sometimes *sigh*. All solutions to this problem are compromises, but as far as I'm concerned, the compromise in OS2008 is a damn good one: For the price of one additional key press we get maximal screen estate. As an added bonus the problem is solved platform wide, not just for one program. The one thing you haven't heard me or others say is. the question why did you fix something that wasn't broken. I've actually lost screen real-estate (when the bar moved to the bottom.) I've never had to do left-right scrolling unless I turned my font up to 14+ in point size. Yet instead of saying we hear you and let us check with other users I'm getting what to me sounds like shut-up we know what you really need. Originally all I wanted to know was why the changes were made. I didn't ask for arguments and put downs. I wanted to know why since this tool is so integral to why I own an n800/770 (both) in the first place. If I wanted shut-up and like it I'd own a mobile win device. I apologize if my questions annoy you in any way. James ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: further beating on OS2008 beta
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 16:47 -0800, ext James Sparenberg wrote: The one thing you haven't heard me or others say is. the question why did you fix something that wasn't broken. I've actually lost screen real-estate (when the bar moved to the bottom.) I've never had to do left-right scrolling unless I turned my font up to 14+ in point size. Yet instead of saying we hear you and let us check with other users I'm getting what to me sounds like shut-up we know what you really need. Originally all I wanted to know was why the changes were made. I didn't ask for arguments and put downs. I wanted to know why since this tool is so integral to why I own an n800/770 (both) in the first place. If I wanted shut-up and like it I'd own a mobile win device. I apologize if my questions annoy you in any way. Without getting so dramatic, you could ask The_Right_Question(TM) which is: Why can't I customize the location of the bar? Don't be selfish, I like the bar to be at the bottom, when i use the hw keyboard ;-) Actually it could even be made so that it changes location depending on availability of hw keyboard (meaning that it stays on the right even on the n810 when it is closed). -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
libraries for running os2007 apps under os2008
I made a script to allow me to run OS2007 apps directly under OS2008 by installing the appropriate libraries. http://austinche.name/maemo/compat-os2007.sh I hand picked the compatibility libraries to install mainly from just testing various apps to see what they needed, so it's quite possible more libraries are needed. I've tested and successfully run several bora compiled programs including osso-xterm (the old, more usable version), fmradio, and aisleriot. There are some noticeable bugs in many apps but most seem usable at least and seems to me to be a good solution until more apps are ported. Of course, all os2008 apps should still run normally. Works for me but use at your own risk. Your deb packages and dependencies could be seriously screwed up. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
