Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
Kevin T. Neely schrieb: > Always depends on what you need. I loved my 770, recently upgraded to an > 800 and love it even more. Me, too (N810 in my case) ;) The 770 sometimes behave strange with the 2006 system (after booting it restarts several times in a row), but the hardware layout is beautiful--even today it is already "classic". What I hate most about the 810 is the keyboard slider--but the crowd was crying for it... The built-in keyboard could be useful for some applications, but the inaccessibility of the scroll keys is cumbersome for me using mostly maemo-mapper. -- Karl Eichwalder ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Python developping under OS2006
On jeudi 17 avril 2008, Frédéric Mantegazza wrote: > As I said, I plan to develop under python on my Nokia 770. > > Are there other python developpers, here? Are there special lists/forums > or other resources for python? > > For example, do you know how to access to a bluetooth-to-serial > converter? I do this under linux, windows and windowsCE, through the > (ce)serial module. Is this module available under OS2006? How do I > emulate a serial port to access to my BT device? Is it better to ask such questions on maemo-developpers mailing list? Is this list dedicated to developpers *under* maemo, of for *maemo* developpers? -- Frédéric http://www.gbiloba.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
Hi, To the originator of this thread: Nokia launched the 770 and release the OS2006 - and we are responsible of that. But Python and many other libraries and applications compatible with OS2006 were contributed by third parties, and all the merit goes for them. ext lakestevensdental wrote: > As a point of comparison between the internet tablets and microlaptops Thanks for your detailed comparison. Direct comparisons in real world help a lot understanding (all of us) what is going on. As much as I understand the feelings of the 770 owners, I also think that many (not all!) comparisons we are seeing are rather simplistic and better for an ideal world than the real one we live in. Nokia produces devices fitting in pockets. Let's compare devices in this category if we really want to have a fruitful discussion. Nowadays: what customers in the consumer electronics or the computer industry expect continuous support and (free/paid) software updates for devices fitting in their pockets, launched in 2005 or before? Let's look at the real examples and let's see what can we learn from them. You can compare OS2006 in the 770 with your distro of choice in your PC because both are Linux-based, but this comparison won't help you understanding the complexities behind. Platform development on top of a PC (consolidated x86 architecture and fat hardware resources) is radically different than developing on top of a tablet (new and far from consolidated silicon and hardware configurations in devices fitting in your pocket and lasting several hours without recharging). Add to this that the final product is in the price range the tablets are, and that the software updates are expected to be free as in beer. What products beat the tablets and specifically the 770 in this sense? Let's discuss those. Remember the first laptop you bought. Did you expect it to stay fit for how long? And your second laptop? It is now that things start getting decent in the lifetime of portable computers. For the devices fitting in your pocket it will take a little longer. The fact that users want full Internet (think the Internet 3 years ago and now in terms of hardware requirements), full multimedia, amazing UI and what not doesn't really help making mobile devices stay young for long. Yes, on the software side you can do a lot, but thing also that in the real world we live, doing a lot on task A implies doing less on tasks B, C, D. Bad if you leave your focus on the 770, bad if you don't beat the new products launched by the competition? We need to find the balance - and we need to make a sustainable (my managers would say "profitable") business out of it. This balance probably goes in the direction of - Let Nokia and third parties push innovation in new products as fast and successful as possible. Otherwise the rest will be pointless. - Nokia makes sure all of its customers (users, developers) get a good service for the time and money they invest. - The community is empowered to keep over time hardware and software as fit as they wish and are able to. We have discussed some times the latter point, which I believe is the most crucial to most of the people complaining. We haven't forgot the previous discussions and we are open to new ideas. Quim Gil ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 06:39:10PM -0400, Don Birdsall wrote: > Question: Is there any advantage for me to upgrade the OS to the last > that will run on this machine which I guess is the Hacker Edition? Canola was not trivial for me to install on OS2007HE. I got it working with some excellent help from this mailing list, but it was more involved than you might be looking for. > Comment: If I were to upgrade to something newer I doubt it would be an > 810. The new ultra-portables with 9 inch screens are becoming available. > They cost only a little more and will run a regular Linux distro. Always depends on what you need. I loved my 770, recently upgraded to an 800 and love it even more. There is a lot of room for improvement, sure, but there are great apps available for it, it's more stable, and the added speed makes it morereliable to task switch with multiple apps open. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
Ryan Abel wrote: > On Apr 17, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > >> On Thursday 17 April 2008, Ryan Abel wrote: >> >>> Frédéric Mantegazza wrote: >>> As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. >>> Such are the pitfalls of purchasing an almost 3 year old unsupported >>> product. ;) >>> >> Which tells me right off if I buy the latest, I can count on it being >> unsupported in 3 years. >> > > Nokia has already admitted they made a mistake with the 770, and has > done a lot to rectify it with the Hacker Editions. Support for the > N8x0 isn't going anywhere anytime soon. > Yeh, like maybe another 3 years. I have a 770 running 2.2006.39.14 (Sirocco). I don't do much with it except to run Canola which turns it into a really good mp3 player. Question: Is there any advantage for me to upgrade the OS to the last that will run on this machine which I guess is the Hacker Edition? Comment: If I were to upgrade to something newer I doubt it would be an 810. The new ultra-portables with 9 inch screens are becoming available. They cost only a little more and will run a regular Linux distro. Don > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > -- Ubuntu -- It Just Works ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
IMHO, the market for current tablet like items seems stable. Nokias N8xx seems to be leading the parade. Buying into older technology just before it's abandoned is never fun... As a point of comparison between the internet tablets and microlaptops -- Recently, I bought an ASUS EEE PC (microlaptop) for my daughter to use taking notes at college without having to lug her full size laptop around. Cost is the same (or less than n810). I've had a couple weeks to play with it while I get everything working (like setting up her email, loading some documents, pictures, etc). * The EEE is a very nice micro laptop with keyboard & touchpad -- It's quite a bit larger than the n8xx tablets -- the keyboard is small but definitely very usable. * The native Linux Xandros Desktop OS really looks a lot like Windows XP with full versions of Tbird, Firefox and Open Office running just fine. * Fine print -- Microsoft has apparently been working with the Xandros Lunix folks for some reason... * It has VGA out, plus 3 full size USB, network port, SDHC card reader. No HD, although it does recognize USB HDs & MP3. * The Celeron Processor clock speed is 900Mhz with options for faster and/or more energy efficient options coming soon. * It doesn't have Bluetooth -- it may or may not recognize a Bluetooth dongle... Haven't checked. * It's wifi seems fine, but it's not as quickly adaptive as my n800. * ASUS has just (3/31/08) released its first SDK for developers so it's software base is a bit behind the curve compared to apps for the N8xx series. The software/support base for the EEE Linux is thin by comparison to the N8xx. That could easily change in the near future. * The EEE can also be loaded up (bogged down) with Windoze XP if you want, but there's currently a 4 or 8G limit to internal memory plus another 16G for a SDHC card, so there's limits on what you can install and operate in XP. How support for XP goes in the coming years is up for debate given MS is supposedly moving to Vista -- I wouldn't expect this generation of microlaptops to ever support Vista... They're not fast enough or big enough in memory. * New units with 9" screens are on the near horizon. I'd expect more memory too... * The current 7" screen (800x460 like the n8xx) is much easier to view than the n8xx with same resolution. Rumors are a touch screen might be offered -- don't hold your breath on that... * The EEE plays internet TV and video just fine (so long as it's in a format it can use). * The few games the EEE have look good. It's got a decent graphics processor so more games could be offered as development moves along. * It has a sparse, but effective, application manager like the N8xx. You can install, update and uninstall stuff quickly from it. * Battery life depends upon if you're using wifi or not. 3 hours seems possible without, 2 with. Everything (but the fan) is solid state. It's a modestly decent lapwarmer -- hence the fan... There appears to be a significant wave of look alike linux based microlaptops posed hit the market -- all seem to be likely to have the same issue of lack of a fully developed user software base. The numerous flavors of Linux may haunt compatibility and development for a while, especially since most seem to have their own variant of Linux they offer. Having both to play with for a while, I tend to gravitate to the N800 while sitting in bed or carrying in my pocket or traveling. I like the n8xx touchscreen. It's also got better games and puzzles to play with. The EEE is great for poking around the web and answering email at the kitchen table or couch. It's much too big to carry in a pocket, but might be fine in a modest purse or backpack. However, if you're looking for a small portable unit that offers more power than the n8xx, it could be what you're looking for. Always, Fred C Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Thursday 17 April 2008, Ryan Abel wrote: > >> Frédéric Mantegazza wrote: >> >>> As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. >>> >> Such are the pitfalls of purchasing an almost 3 year old unsupported >> product. ;) >> > > Which tells me right off if I buy the latest, I can count on it being > unsupported in 3 years. > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[ANN] Gebabbel for N8x0/Maemo 2008
Hi, my apologies for cross-posting. I just compiled Gebabbel[1] 0.3 successfully for a Nokia N810. The binary is available on sourceforge[2]. There's no installer, so you first need to manually install gpsbabel[3] and Qt4[4]. Then download the Gebabbel archive for Maemo and extract it. You need to manually install three files into some magic system folders. See the file INSTALL.txt for the correct locations. I hope it is useful. Best regards, ce [1] http://gebabbel.sf.net [2] http://sf.net/projects/gebabbel [3] https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gpsbabel [4] http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Python developping under OS2006
As I said, I plan to develop under python on my Nokia 770. Are there other python developpers, here? Are there special lists/forums or other resources for python? For example, do you know how to access to a bluetooth-to-serial converter? I do this under linux, windows and windowsCE, through the (ce)serial module. Is this module available under OS2006? How do I emulate a serial port to access to my BT device? Thanks, -- Frédéric http://www.gbiloba.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
On Apr 17, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Thursday 17 April 2008, Ryan Abel wrote: >> Frédéric Mantegazza wrote: >>> As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. >> >> Such are the pitfalls of purchasing an almost 3 year old unsupported >> product. ;) > > Which tells me right off if I buy the latest, I can count on it being > unsupported in 3 years. Nokia has already admitted they made a mistake with the 770, and has done a lot to rectify it with the Hacker Editions. Support for the N8x0 isn't going anywhere anytime soon. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Thursday 17 April 2008, Ryan Abel wrote: > >> Frédéric Mantegazza wrote: >> >>> As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. >>> >> Such are the pitfalls of purchasing an almost 3 year old unsupported >> product. ;) >> > > Which tells me right off if I buy the latest, I can count on it being > unsupported in 3 years. > > That's a pretty good reason for me to go elsewhere. At least with a > desktop, I can use Ubuntu and upgrade with each new release. > > I'm serious about this. I have an N770 and was planning on using it as > part of a carputer interface and there are other things I was going to > be adding along the way, but over the past year, I've asked myself if I > want to stick with this product because I see little effort for > backporting. Once the new toy comes out, the old ones are essentially > abandon. While that happens with things like Windows, one reason I > stick with Linux on most things is because most Linux stuff doesn't > play the, "Spend more money now to upgrade or be left behind" game. > > > Hal > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > Do note that the "leaving behind" of the N770 already provoked a very large consumer reaction and Nokia has admitted "mea culpa" so to speak and is at least saying it will act differently. So far, it seems to be the case, so they may have learned their lesson here - you just came a bit late to the 770 getting upset at Nokia party. :) Ryan -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi. On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:56:11 +0200 Frédéric Mantegazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. > > I'm trying to install python (I only need 2.4), but I can't find it. > And in general, repositories for mistral provide applications with > dependencies which do not exist anymore for mistral (libreadline4, > libncurses...), but only for bora. And even for that, it is very > difficult to find all dependencies, spread all over the net. > > Why OS2006 packages are not available anymore? > Add the following repository to your Application Manager: Address: http://repository.maemo.org Distro: gregale or mistral or scirocco (the version what you use) Components: free Install python, and deactive the previous repository, it's from the sdk but libncurses and libreadline4 are in this repository and not in the extras. In these times it was more complicated to install python than now. - -- Daniel Martin Yerga http://yerga.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIB6w7cnvB1T3xmfMRAsL6AJ9CYdYEm7mCNRXPiXhfmUqr89juxwCfUFTh lJD2YkBfaVAOL/TVr2PdK94= =rV2k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
On Thursday 17 April 2008, Ryan Abel wrote: > Frédéric Mantegazza wrote: > > As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. > > Such are the pitfalls of purchasing an almost 3 year old unsupported > product. ;) Which tells me right off if I buy the latest, I can count on it being unsupported in 3 years. That's a pretty good reason for me to go elsewhere. At least with a desktop, I can use Ubuntu and upgrade with each new release. I'm serious about this. I have an N770 and was planning on using it as part of a carputer interface and there are other things I was going to be adding along the way, but over the past year, I've asked myself if I want to stick with this product because I see little effort for backporting. Once the new toy comes out, the old ones are essentially abandon. While that happens with things like Windows, one reason I stick with Linux on most things is because most Linux stuff doesn't play the, "Spend more money now to upgrade or be left behind" game. Hal ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
En/na Ryan Abel ha escrit: > Frédéric Mantegazza wrote: > > >> As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. >> > > Such are the pitfalls of purchasing an almost 3 year old unsupported > product. ;) > > >> I'm trying to install python (I only need 2.4), but I can't find it. >> And in >> general, repositories for mistral provide applications with >> dependencies >> which do not exist anymore for mistral (libreadline4, >> libncurses...), but >> only for bora. And even for that, it is very difficult to find all >> dependencies, spread all over the net. >> > > Have you considered trying OS2007HE or OS2008HE? > I didn't know OS2008HE for 770. Does it run fine ? Mine runs with OS2007HE 4.2008.7-1 but I am not available to install wirestools as kismet :-( ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
On jeudi 17 avril 2008, Ryan Abel wrote: > Frédéric Mantegazza wrote: > > As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. > > Such are the pitfalls of purchasing an almost 3 year old unsupported > product. ;) It is not *that* old! And why remove packages for mistral distro? I still have computers based on debian 'sarge', and I'm still able to install packages using 'apt-get install'... Packages for 770 are not so large that people need to remove them from their hard drive to put newer versions ;o) > Have you considered trying OS2007HE or OS2008HE? Well, I wanted to avoid installing non-standard stuff, as I plan to use this Nokia for a free photographic project; I would like non-users able to easily install my program... Hard to ask them to install a new firmeware... -- Frédéric http://www.gbiloba.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is OS2006 still supported?
Frédéric Mantegazza wrote: > As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. Such are the pitfalls of purchasing an almost 3 year old unsupported product. ;) > I'm trying to install python (I only need 2.4), but I can't find it. > And in > general, repositories for mistral provide applications with > dependencies > which do not exist anymore for mistral (libreadline4, > libncurses...), but > only for bora. And even for that, it is very difficult to find all > dependencies, spread all over the net. Have you considered trying OS2007HE or OS2008HE? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: launching scripts/apps from desktop icons
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm a huge fan of the Command Navigator app. It replaces the > silly Contacts taskbar app, and can be configured to launch arbitrary command > line programs via a menu. I tried installing that on my N810 with apt-get, also personal-menu_0.4-2 with dpkg (the latest wants a later libglade). But I can't see how to start them. I don't get a popup on the tablet asking which menu I want it in. I see the configuration in settings/control panel/personalisation and can add a command, but I can't find an icon anywhere in the menus. I didn't change sudoers; the docs said it wasn't necessary if I didn't need to run a command as root. Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Is OS2006 still supported?
As a new user of Nokia 770, I feel a little disapointed. I'm trying to install python (I only need 2.4), but I can't find it. And in general, repositories for mistral provide applications with dependencies which do not exist anymore for mistral (libreadline4, libncurses...), but only for bora. And even for that, it is very difficult to find all dependencies, spread all over the net. Why OS2006 packages are not available anymore? -- Frédéric http://www.gbiloba.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS 2008 Bluetooth keyboard problems
>> 2. THE KILLER: Once I have connected a bluetooth keyboard, the >> on-screen stylus keyboard and thumb keyboard no longer work. >> Even when the BT keyboard is put away and turned off, attempts to >> use the stylus keyboard produce only a black bar at the bottom of >> the screen with the letters Abc at the far right. The only cure >> is to reboot the machine. This is not specific to BT keyboards. This is true of USB keyboards as well, although I don't even get the black bar. It just doesn't respond to anything that normally would pop up an onscreen keyboard. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > unfortunately, this gives me an odd dependency error (hildon-libs0) > > and refuses to do the download. Doing it your way gets me the .deb I > > want, but that dependency is still in the way. > > Right. Square peg, round hole. A hammer won't help. > It's silly, I know, but I'm tired of waiting for AisleRiot to be released for OS2008. I don't understand why it has that dependency - it doesn't seem like a game like that should have very many requirements. I also wouldn't think that it would take a great deal of effort to recompile it for OS2008 since it's already been hildonized for OS2007. At any rate, since the person who did the port hasn't made it available for OS2008, isn't giving access to the source and I'm not capable of porting it myself (and why should I duplicate that effort anyway?), I was hoping I could somehow get the OS2007 version to install on OS2008. I guess that's too much to ask... > The hildon-libs dependency smells of OS incompatibility. What OS do you > have and what package you're trying to install? Sometimes a simple > recompile is sufficient to make a package compatible with a different > Maemo version. I have a scratchbox handy on this laptop; I could > rebuild the package for you if the sources are available. > I installed scratchbox on my desktop and attempted to follow the tutorials, but haven't yet succeeded in actually compiling or installing anything. There are too many little details that are left out of the tutorial, and I haven't been able to find them anywhere else. > > > > Microsoft is not the answer. > > > Microsoft is the question. > > > "No" is the answer. > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > I've seen a different version of this, but I really like yours. :-) > > I don't remember where I got it, but it certainly isn't original. The "original" version I saw went like this: Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. "Yes" is the answer. This is the first time I've seen the Microsoft variation. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 08:29:37AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 03:51:56PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > > > > There are two repository layouts. Suppose you have > > > > deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free > > > > in the .install file. Start browsing at > > > > http://repostitory.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/ (or non-free) > > > > Note the extra 'dists/' URL component. Then look inside binary-armel. > > Very interesting -- as well as binary-armel there's a binary-i386. Does > this imply that maemo runs on regular 32-bit Intel boxes as well? Yes. Specifically, the Maemo SDK runs on regular 32-bit Intel boxes. (I've heard that people also managed to run it on 64-bit boxes.) Marius Gedminas -- Hi. I'm the "I love you" .signature virus. You have been infected. Please panic immediately. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 05:48:36PM -0600, Mark wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The following is for informational purposes only. You should never ever > > download debs directly -- either install them with the application > > installer, or use sudo apt-get install from a terminal. Installing debs > > directly is the "use a bigger hammer" approach to replacing a light > > bulb -- if you screw up, it's your own fault. > > > > There are two repository layouts. [...] > > This is great information for future reference, specific to Maemo. Actually, it's specific to any Debian-based distro (Debian, Ubuntu, Maemo, ...). > However, I was thinking there was a generic linux command, and finally > realized that it was probably an apt-get option and decided to RTFM. > The command I was looking for was > > apt-get --download-only install foo > or > apt-get -d install foo Yes. There's also apt-get install foo --print-uri > unfortunately, this gives me an odd dependency error (hildon-libs0) > and refuses to do the download. Doing it your way gets me the .deb I > want, but that dependency is still in the way. Right. Square peg, round hole. A hammer won't help. The hildon-libs dependency smells of OS incompatibility. What OS do you have and what package you're trying to install? Sometimes a simple recompile is sufficient to make a package compatible with a different Maemo version. I have a scratchbox handy on this laptop; I could rebuild the package for you if the sources are available. > > Microsoft is not the answer. > > Microsoft is the question. > > "No" is the answer. > > ROTFLMAO! > I've seen a different version of this, but I really like yours. :-) I don't remember where I got it, but it certainly isn't original. Marius Gedminas -- My mail reader can beat up your mail reader. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS 2008 Bluetooth keyboard problems
"Kevin T. Neely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 09:29:24PM -0400, Norman Ramsey wrote: >> 1. Based on random criteria I haven't been able to figure out, the >> Bluetooth keyboard sometimes activates the word-completion > > I have seen this. Cannot figure out what causes it, either. I am > only really typing txt messages and such, so it is not much of an > issue forme, although it takes up valuable screen real-estate. Try shift-space. See this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2474 You can try to manually get around this problem with: gconftool-2 -t bool -s /system/osso/af/slide-open false That will fake the closing of the slide keyboard that the N800 doesn't have and get rid of the word completion bar. >> 2. THE KILLER: Once I have connected a bluetooth keyboard, the >> on-screen stylus keyboard and thumb keyboard no longer work. >> Even when the BT keyboard is put away and turned off, attempts to >> use the stylus keyboard produce only a black bar at the bottom of Also in the bug above. You can get around this with the following command: gconftool-2 -t bool -s /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached false That'll force the system into thinking there's no keyboard attached. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS 2008 Bluetooth keyboard problems
Hi, ext Kevin T. Neely wrote: > I also have a #3: > > 3. Sometimes, when I switch the keyboard on, > the first couple letters I type cause the entire > tablet to halt for a second, minimizes all the > applications, and the desktop applets disappear. I think this is Desktop crashing and system restarting it. When Desktop notices that it has been restarted by the system, it intentionally disables all applets. This is to prevent bad applets from causing device to go into reboot loop. > A reboot brings everything back. > > Until then, the device seems to operate well enough, > but I try to reboot asap. I think you have a bad applet on your desktop. Rebooting doesn't help more, the Desktop restart already got rid of it. :-) - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS 2008 Bluetooth keyboard problems (was: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions)
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 09:29:24PM -0400, Norman Ramsey wrote: > 1. Based on random criteria I haven't been able to figure out, the > Bluetooth keyboard sometimes activates the word-completion I have seen this. Cannot figure out what causes it, either. I am only really typing txt messages and such, so it is not much of an issue forme, although it takes up valuable screen real-estate. Since moving to OS2008, I have not done much major typing through the shell. If I were, and if this happened, it would definitely be a pain. > 2. THE KILLER: Once I have connected a bluetooth keyboard, the > on-screen stylus keyboard and thumb keyboard no longer work. > Even when the BT keyboard is put away and turned off, attempts to > use the stylus keyboard produce only a black bar at the bottom of I have yet to see this, thankfully I also have a #3: 3. Sometimes, when I switch the keyboard on, the first couple letters I type cause the entire tablet to halt for a second, minimizes all the applications, and the desktop applets disappear. (It reminds me of when explorer.exe crashes on a Win2k/XP machine). A reboot brings everything back. Until then, the device seems to operate well enough, but I try to reboot asap. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 03:51:56PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote: > > There are two repository layouts. Suppose you have > > deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free > > in the .install file. Start browsing at > > http://repostitory.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/ (or non-free) > > Note the extra 'dists/' URL component. Then look inside binary-armel. Very interesting -- as well as binary-armel there's a binary-i386. Does this imply that maemo runs on regular 32-bit Intel boxes as well? -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Which OS for which tablet?
I use the 2007HE and i don't have a problem with it. In fact it works better than 2006 because it would never connect to my WiFi network but 2007HE does and packages for it work fine. On 17 Apr 2008, at 12:42, Frédéric wrote: > > Le 17/4/2008, "Frantisek Dufka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: > >> Frédéric wrote: > >>> So, can I upgrade my system to Bora on my Nokia 770? >> >> Yes but it is not officially supported release, see >> http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ or search ITT forum for "hacker >> edition" or "2007HE", there is plenty of threads about it. Opinions >> widely differ, some people prefer OS2006, some 2007HE. 2007 have some >> rough edges but gives you Bora compatibility and new features. Some >> Bora packages compiled with N800 hardware in mind (CPU floating point >> support, more runtime memory, camera, newer video chip,..) may not >> work. > > Ok. As I don't want to use unsupported firmeware (yet), I'll stay > under > OS2006, and try to install libreadline4 from bora repository... > > Thanks. > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users Dean Chester E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://deanchester.com/blog ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
OS 2008 Bluetooth keyboard problems (was: Move from 2007 to 2008 Questions)
> > I would definitely encourage you *not* to upgrade. In addition to the > touch-screen problems already mentioned, my OS2008 'upgrade' has had > the following disastrous effect on my Igo Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard: > > 1. Based on random criteria I haven't been able to figure out, the > Bluetooth keyboard sometimes activates the word-completion > feature used with the stylus keyboard. This is so slow (I type > 75 words per minute on a kinesis so probably half that on the > stowaway) that the keyboard becomes useless because the N800 > can't keep up. > Try turning off text prediction and word completion. It speeds it up remarkably. It does seem kinda random when it's turned on though. 2. THE KILLER: Once I have connected a bluetooth keyboard, the > on-screen stylus keyboard and thumb keyboard no longer work. > Even when the BT keyboard is put away and turned off, attempts to > use the stylus keyboard produce only a black bar at the bottom of > the screen with the letters Abc at the far right. The only cure > is to reboot the machine. > The bar with Abc is the text prediction. It will go away if you do the above. Staggering waste of space, isn't it? > I can't tell you how angry I am about this. For me one of the > great benefits of the N800 is that it's always on, always > connected. I mostly use the stylus but can easily connect a > keyboard if I have to write a long email. Now that's all gone; > every time I think about the external keyboard I have to think > about whether I'm going to give up all my external state and > reboot. > > If these problems aren't fixed in the next release of OS2008 I'm just > going to punt and go back to OS2007, which at least worked. > Don't just stew, vote for the bug here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2850 Let Nokia know this is happening to more people and you're not pleased. I can't believe we have only 5 votes for this killer bug. There is a possible workaround too - turn on your bluetooth icon in the taskbar. Leave it on... It may not be a 100% cure but it seems to help a lot for most people. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Which OS for which tablet?
Le 17/4/2008, "Frantisek Dufka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: >Frédéric wrote: >> So, can I upgrade my system to Bora on my Nokia 770? > >Yes but it is not officially supported release, see >http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ or search ITT forum for "hacker >edition" or "2007HE", there is plenty of threads about it. Opinions >widely differ, some people prefer OS2006, some 2007HE. 2007 have some >rough edges but gives you Bora compatibility and new features. Some >Bora packages compiled with N800 hardware in mind (CPU floating point >support, more runtime memory, camera, newer video chip,..) may not work. Ok. As I don't want to use unsupported firmeware (yet), I'll stay under OS2006, and try to install libreadline4 from bora repository... Thanks. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Which OS for which tablet?
If the "unsupported" nature of IT2007 hacker edition doesn't scare you (probably won't considering you got the device second hand), I've heard generally positive results there, with good compatibility. The 2008 version is more of a tech demo from what I've read and not actually too usable (feel free to disprove this), and 2006 is "supported" but pretty outdated by now. Ryan Josh Smith wrote: > I am guessing all of your answers can be found at: > > http://www.internettablettalk.com > > If not, then I am sure someone will be nice enough to answer them for > you here. In short - there are options for installing the more recent > versions of maemo on the 770, but I am not up to date on the details. > > good luck!! > > josh > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Frédéric > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I've just bought a used Nokia 770 tablet, and I'm wondering which OS I >> can install on it... For now, I re-installed the OS2006 (maemo 2.2 aka >> Gregale) in order to reset the password of the previous user (in fact, >> it seems that it just unlocked the tablet, but didn't reseted the >> password, as I'm still unable to set my own one...). >> >> Now, I would like to install applications, mainly python-based one (I >> plan to develop a panoramic head control application), but some libs are >> missing to install python, like libreadline4. This lib seems to be >> available at http://eko.one.pl/maemo/ repository, but only for maemo 3.x >> (aka Bora) :o/ So, can I upgrade my system to Bora on my Nokia 770? If >> not, where can I find libreadline4 for Gregale? >> >> Thanks for you help, -- Ryan Pavlik www.cleardefinition.com #282 + (442) - [X] A programmer started to cuss Because getting to sleep was a fuss As he lay there in bed Looping 'round in his head was: while(!asleep()) sheep++; ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS 2008 Bluetooth keyboard problems
Hi, ext Norman Ramsey wrote: > > Thanks, Tony, and to everyone else. Because I rely so heavily on my N800 > > for day-to-day operations, I'm very hesitant about doing anything that will > > impact that. I have no problem with re-installing the software (although I > > don't want to) but wanted to make sure the tools I use are there. > > I would definitely encourage you *not* to upgrade. In addition to the > touch-screen problems already mentioned, my OS2008 'upgrade' has had > the following disastrous effect on my Igo Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard: > > 1. Based on random criteria I haven't been able to figure out, the > Bluetooth keyboard sometimes activates the word-completion > feature used with the stylus keyboard. This is so slow (I type > 75 words per minute on a kinesis so probably half that on the > stowaway) that the keyboard becomes useless because the N800 > can't keep up. > > 2. THE KILLER: Once I have connected a bluetooth keyboard, the > on-screen stylus keyboard and thumb keyboard no longer work. > Even when the BT keyboard is put away and turned off, attempts to > use the stylus keyboard produce only a black bar at the bottom of > the screen with the letters Abc at the far right. The only cure > is to reboot the machine. > > I can't tell you how angry I am about this. For me one of the > great benefits of the N800 is that it's always on, always > connected. I mostly use the stylus but can easily connect a > keyboard if I have to write a long email. Now that's all gone; > every time I think about the external keyboard I have to think > about whether I'm going to give up all my external state and > reboot. > > If these problems aren't fixed in the next release of OS2008 I'm just > going to punt and go back to OS2007, which at least worked. Which bug(s) did you report on these issues? - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Which OS for which tablet?
Frédéric wrote: > So, can I upgrade my system to Bora on my Nokia 770? Yes but it is not officially supported release, see http://os2007on770.garage.maemo.org/ or search ITT forum for "hacker edition" or "2007HE", there is plenty of threads about it. Opinions widely differ, some people prefer OS2006, some 2007HE. 2007 have some rough edges but gives you Bora compatibility and new features. Some Bora packages compiled with N800 hardware in mind (CPU floating point support, more runtime memory, camera, newer video chip,..) may not work. Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Which OS for which tablet?
Le 17/4/2008, "Josh Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: >I am guessing all of your answers can be found at: > >http://www.internettablettalk.com > >If not, then I am sure someone will be nice enough to answer them for >you here. In short - there are options for installing the more recent >versions of maemo on the 770, but I am not up to date on the details. > >good luck!! Thanks! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Which OS for which tablet?
I am guessing all of your answers can be found at: http://www.internettablettalk.com If not, then I am sure someone will be nice enough to answer them for you here. In short - there are options for installing the more recent versions of maemo on the 770, but I am not up to date on the details. good luck!! josh On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Frédéric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I've just bought a used Nokia 770 tablet, and I'm wondering which OS I > can install on it... For now, I re-installed the OS2006 (maemo 2.2 aka > Gregale) in order to reset the password of the previous user (in fact, > it seems that it just unlocked the tablet, but didn't reseted the > password, as I'm still unable to set my own one...). > > Now, I would like to install applications, mainly python-based one (I > plan to develop a panoramic head control application), but some libs are > missing to install python, like libreadline4. This lib seems to be > available at http://eko.one.pl/maemo/ repository, but only for maemo 3.x > (aka Bora) :o/ So, can I upgrade my system to Bora on my Nokia 770? If > not, where can I find libreadline4 for Gregale? > > Thanks for you help, > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Which OS for which tablet?
Hello, I've just bought a used Nokia 770 tablet, and I'm wondering which OS I can install on it... For now, I re-installed the OS2006 (maemo 2.2 aka Gregale) in order to reset the password of the previous user (in fact, it seems that it just unlocked the tablet, but didn't reseted the password, as I'm still unable to set my own one...). Now, I would like to install applications, mainly python-based one (I plan to develop a panoramic head control application), but some libs are missing to install python, like libreadline4. This lib seems to be available at http://eko.one.pl/maemo/ repository, but only for maemo 3.x (aka Bora) :o/ So, can I upgrade my system to Bora on my Nokia 770? If not, where can I find libreadline4 for Gregale? Thanks for you help, ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
