Re: Memory card recognization issue in OS2008
Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: Thanks, Marius. Good to know that there's a bug report on xterm and, no, the X doesn't close it. That's what I went for after ctrl-d didn't work. This may be related to the first issue with SD/MMC card. From your dmesg log it can be seen the card in external slot is unreadable (all those mmcblk1p1 I/O errors) and may be faulty. When any process (like osso-xterm, shell or whatever) gets stuck in such I/O operation like this, it is unkillable. You can use ps and see 'D' state next to it. It can be the MMC card is really dead/broken or the device doesn't like it for some reason (dirty contacts? bad mini/micro adapter?). Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Memory card recognization issue in OS2008
Hi, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: Thanks, Marius. Good to know that there's a bug report on xterm and, no, the X doesn't close it. That's what I went for after ctrl-d didn't work. This may be related to the first issue with SD/MMC card. From your dmesg log it can be seen the card in external slot is unreadable (all those mmcblk1p1 I/O errors) and may be faulty. When any process (like osso-xterm, shell or whatever) gets stuck in such I/O operation like this, it is unkillable. You can use ps and see 'D' state next to it. For above to happen, the cards need to be mounted. When kernel notices the errors, it re-mounts the card as read-only, but still allows processes to read it. Many applications aren't well prepared for file systems that may produce garbage though. Nicholas, what mount says of your card(s)? It can be the MMC card is really dead/broken or the device doesn't like it for some reason (dirty contacts? bad mini/micro adapter?). I think there were some changes in OS2008 about card recognization. Knowing the exact models of the cards is necessary. Is e.g. the 128Mb card the one coming with the device or something else? - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Memory card recognization issue in OS2008
Results of mount: Rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) /dev/root on /mnt/initfs type jffs2 (ro) none on /mnt/initfs/proc type proc (rw) none on /mnt/initfs/sys type sysfs (rw) none on /mnt/initfs/tmp type tmpfs (rw) /dev/mtdblock4 on / type jffs2 (rw,rpsize=1024,rpuid=0,rpuid=3) none on /tmp type tmpfs (rw) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) none on /dev type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) BTW, running xterm to get mount output hung the system. I was running xterm full screen and can't get it back. Tried 'exit' without success. Hard shutdown required. Thanks, Nick. -Original Message- From: Eero Tamminen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 02:45 To: ext Frantisek Dufka Cc: Dr. Nicholas Shaw; 'maemo-users@maemo.org' Subject: Re: Memory card recognization issue in OS2008 Hi, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: Thanks, Marius. Good to know that there's a bug report on xterm and, no, the X doesn't close it. That's what I went for after ctrl-d didn't work. This may be related to the first issue with SD/MMC card. From your dmesg log it can be seen the card in external slot is unreadable (all those mmcblk1p1 I/O errors) and may be faulty. When any process (like osso-xterm, shell or whatever) gets stuck in such I/O operation like this, it is unkillable. You can use ps and see 'D' state next to it. For above to happen, the cards need to be mounted. When kernel notices the errors, it re-mounts the card as read-only, but still allows processes to read it. Many applications aren't well prepared for file systems that may produce garbage though. Nicholas, what mount says of your card(s)? It can be the MMC card is really dead/broken or the device doesn't like it for some reason (dirty contacts? bad mini/micro adapter?). I think there were some changes in OS2008 about card recognization. Knowing the exact models of the cards is necessary. Is e.g. the 128Mb card the one coming with the device or something else? - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
N810 out of Stock at Nokia USA www site?
All, I went to see about ordering an N810 from the Nokia USA www site (I tried using both Firefox and IE7) and the www site says the N810 is out of stock! Here is the url that I used: http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_607318 -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service provider markets* * * *GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GAWN, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM*** *Cisco Select Certified Partner and SMB Specialist | **Microsoft Small Business Specialist | Speakeasy Certified VOIP Partner | Linksys Authorized LVS Partner | Qualys Certified Qualysguard Specialist* * * (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (W) www.acadiasecure.com primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 out of Stock at Nokia USA www site?
Try these... http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1212590354sr=8-1 http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=22832 I don't think it's going anywhere just yet ... JG On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:36 AM, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I went to see about ordering an N810 from the Nokia USA www site (I tried using both Firefox and IE7) and the www site says the N810 is out of stock! Here is the url that I used: http://www.nokiausa.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_607318 -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service provider markets* * * *GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GAWN, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM*** *Cisco Select Certified Partner and SMB Specialist | **Microsoft Small Business Specialist | Speakeasy Certified VOIP Partner | Linksys Authorized LVS Partner | Qualys Certified Qualysguard Specialist* * * (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (W) www.acadiasecure.com primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Memory card recognization issue in OS2008
Hi, ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: Results of mount: Rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) /dev/root on /mnt/initfs type jffs2 (ro) none on /mnt/initfs/proc type proc (rw) none on /mnt/initfs/sys type sysfs (rw) none on /mnt/initfs/tmp type tmpfs (rw) /dev/mtdblock4 on / type jffs2 (rw,rpsize=1024,rpuid=0,rpuid=3) none on /tmp type tmpfs (rw) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) none on /dev type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) BTW, running xterm to get mount output hung the system. So you don't know whether the mount command finished outputting? What does system hung mean? Do you get the power menu? Can you interact with it (up and down key moves focus etc)? - Eero I was running xterm full screen and can't get it back. Tried 'exit' without success. Hard shutdown required. Thanks, Nick. -Original Message- From: Eero Tamminen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 02:45 To: ext Frantisek Dufka Cc: Dr. Nicholas Shaw; 'maemo-users@maemo.org' Subject: Re: Memory card recognization issue in OS2008 Hi, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: Thanks, Marius. Good to know that there's a bug report on xterm and, no, the X doesn't close it. That's what I went for after ctrl-d didn't work. This may be related to the first issue with SD/MMC card. From your dmesg log it can be seen the card in external slot is unreadable (all those mmcblk1p1 I/O errors) and may be faulty. When any process (like osso-xterm, shell or whatever) gets stuck in such I/O operation like this, it is unkillable. You can use ps and see 'D' state next to it. For above to happen, the cards need to be mounted. When kernel notices the errors, it re-mounts the card as read-only, but still allows processes to read it. Many applications aren't well prepared for file systems that may produce garbage though. Nicholas, what mount says of your card(s)? It can be the MMC card is really dead/broken or the device doesn't like it for some reason (dirty contacts? bad mini/micro adapter?). I think there were some changes in OS2008 about card recognization. Knowing the exact models of the cards is necessary. Is e.g. the 128Mb card the one coming with the device or something else? - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia and LiMo
Hi, Chris Vail wrote: Sorry if this is off-topic, but since Nokia is acquiring TrollTech, and TrollTech is a member of LiMo, does that mean Nokia will become a member of LiMo? If so, does that affect Maemo? I didn't see if this got an answer before, and I'm not well placed to answer the question of whether Nokia will join LiMo (I doubt it very much, personally), but I did want to point out that while Trolltech is a member of LiMo, the LiMo platform includes GTK+ and much of the GNOME Mobile platform libraries in its architecture. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Lock, sleep, power-down
On Tue, June 3, 2008 07:53, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 08:34:02PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Marius Gedminas wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 09:47:19AM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: When I hit the power button and select lock device, I get an unlock dialog on the screen. And it *stays* on the screen, overnight, in my bag, wherever, until I unlock the device. That's unexpected behavior; it uses power (backlighting is on). Hm. Looks like a bug to me. The screen should turn off after the usual timeout, in my opinion. How long is that, and is it configurable? 3 minutes IIRC and yes. Control panel - Display - Switch off display. It was off when I pulled out of my bag just now, so apparently it does shut off eventually (and when I touched the screen the unlock keypad came back up, so the battery isn't just dead :-)). The device is very good at seamless power savings, but it's possible to install buggy applications that aren't smart enough to sleep when they should and drain the battery faster. Something like that may be going on, though I haven't installed very much. I'm assuming the application would have to be running to make a difference? Yesterday I started the day fully charged, and it spent the day in my shoulder bag, and when I unlocked it near bedtime to read for a little while (not having touched it since I took it off the charger in the morning), the battery was down to 3 days standby, 1 hour active. One thing I know happens now is that touching the screen turns on the backlight while locked. So sitting in the case in my bag may be turning on the backlight a lot, at least when I'm moving the bag around. On the other hand it spent most of the day on the floor, not being moved. I normally use Lock touch screen and keys, but perhaps that's not secure enough for you. Yeah, it's not. The configurations for this have all my email passwords and such in them, and there may be ssh-agent with important keys active, and such. Leading possibly not only to my own servers, but to servers belonging to clients or such. Also my credit card numbers and the account pins and all that. So I try for fairly good security. pwsafe is good for credit card numbers pins -- it always requires a password after about a minute of inactivity. I want to install the maemo version of keepass, since that's what I'm using on Windows and Linux boxes (conveniently). I can migrate the data currently in my Palm to there for the secure bits, so I wouldn't have to worry about the security of the contacts database. Your point is very valid for email passwords and ssh keys. Hm... But that still leaves these being a problem. I can probably just be careful about ssh agent and keys, I don't use it *that* much on the N800. My fallback position on the email config would be to be prepared to change the password there on short notice, which is easy enough to do. It's a bit inelegant. Also anything where the browser is keeping the passwords for me would be at risk. I know *so* many people who have had portable electronic devices lost or stolen, I really do think it's a much bigger threat than desktop systems (I do know some people who have had those stolen as well, but not nearly as many). And, because it's Linux underneath, I tend to think in terms of the level of security I normally try to achieve on my linux boxes. I'm kinda left feeling that security was not considered in the design of the software system for this box. -- David Dyer-Bennet, [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://dd-b.net/ Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/ Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/ Dragaera: http://dragaera.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Lock, sleep, power-down
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:07:49PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: One thing I know happens now is that touching the screen turns on the backlight while locked. So sitting in the case in my bag may be turning That shouln't happen. Touching the screen should no bring the backlight up. However, hitting one of the hard buttons ought to bring it up, so the device can show you how to unlock it. This may have been mentioned before, but did you trying placing it in offline mode before locking? I definitely get better battery time if I do that so the wlan won't kick in as i move between networks it knows or thinks it knows. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Lock, sleep, power-down
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:07:49PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: On Tue, June 3, 2008 07:53, Marius Gedminas wrote: The device is very good at seamless power savings, but it's possible to install buggy applications that aren't smart enough to sleep when they should and drain the battery faster. Something like that may be going on, though I haven't installed very much. I'm assuming the application would have to be running to make a difference? Yes. Yesterday I started the day fully charged, Do you mean that the battery icon showed full charge, or that you kept it charging overnight and the charging animation stopped? In my experience the battery icon is very nonlinear: you use the tablet for 4 hours, it shows full charge, then it starts showing less and in 2 more hours of active usage it runs out completely. (The numbers are approximate.) and it spent the day in my shoulder bag, and when I unlocked it near bedtime to read for a little while (not having touched it since I took it off the charger in the morning), Ah, okay, so you answered my question. ;-) the battery was down to 3 days standby, 1 hour active. That's not normal. I don't know what constitutes normal, but that's typical of my unit. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Lock, sleep, power-down
(Sorry about the duplicate message, David. Accidentally replied off-list the first time.) On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:07:49PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Yesterday I started the day fully charged, and it spent the day in my shoulder bag, and when I unlocked it near bedtime to read for a little while (not having touched it since I took it off the charger in the morning), the battery was down to 3 days standby, 1 hour active. One thing I know happens now is that touching the screen turns on the backlight while locked. So sitting in the case in my bag may be turning on the backlight a lot, at least when I'm moving the bag around. On the other hand it spent most of the day on the floor, not being moved. What state did you leave it in when you put it in your bag? I normally carry my N800 in a belt pouch and, if I don't Lock touch screen and keys, the battery will run completely dry (as in I have to hook it up to the charger to get any response at all, and, when I do, it reboots) over the course of several hours, presumably due to the touchscreen being bumped, causing the backlight to trigger. OTOH, once I figured out to lock the screen, I no longer see any appreciable power drain in transport. (Actually, aside from power use, I know that random bumps were registering on the touchscreen due to applications starting up and some of them (such as Maemopad+) showing random scribbling... I first started locking the screen to prevent this; the battery not running down was a happy side-effect.) -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Lock, sleep, power-down
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:07:49PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: One thing I know happens now is that touching the screen turns on the backlight while locked. So sitting in the case in my bag may be turning That shouln't happen. Touching the screen should no bring the backlight up. However, hitting one of the hard buttons ought to bring it up, so the device can show you how to unlock it. Mine (N800) doesn't come on when the touchscreen is tapped, but does when any of the hard keys is pressed - so it can show the Press the following keys one after the other message. It seems like it shouldn't come on for the hard keys, either, because it's just as easy for one of them to get pressed in a pocket or bag as it is for the touchscreen. If the owner doesn't know the key combination to unlock the device, they shouldn't lock it in the first place. That would be one way to make the device marginally more secure, at least from drive-by snoops. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Lock, sleep, power-down
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:07 AM, David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I can probably just be careful about ssh agent and keys, I don't use it *that* much on the N800. My fallback position on the email config would be to be prepared to change the password there on short notice, which is easy enough to do. It's a bit inelegant. Also anything where the browser is keeping the passwords for me would be at risk. I know *so* many people who have had portable electronic devices lost or stolen, I really do think it's a much bigger threat than desktop systems (I do know some people who have had those stolen as well, but not nearly as many). And, because it's Linux underneath, I tend to think in terms of the level of security I normally try to achieve on my linux boxes. I'm kinda left feeling that security was not considered in the design of the software system for this box. ... which is why the whole root situation is so frustrating. They went to great lengths to protect the devices from their legitimate owners, while leaving the owner's data completely and utterly exposed. That's one really good reason why (whether they agree or not) Nokia should have made a decent PIM part of the package out of the box, and it's probably the major reason why they didn't; they didn't want to go to any effort to deal with the security side of it. By pronouncing the devices NOT PDAs they're attempting to absolve themselves of any responsibility on that front. However, there's no justification for assuming people want to carry around another device, especially when with VoIP it's perfectly legitimate to expect some people to do without a smartphone (or maybe even *any* mobile phone) if they have one of these. Why didn't they just force owners login to their tablet like you do in most Linux distros? If they used the same kind of login process as desktop Linux, users could choose whether to autologin if they don't care about security or require logging in if they do. Between that and the lock device feature (which should also have a timeout feature to automatically lock it after a selectable period of inactivity and would work like screensavers that can be set to require a login to exit the screensaver) would go a long way toward satisfying basic security needs. Inclusion of on-the-fly encryption (especially for the removable cards) would round out the package nicely. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
