Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Jerry Van Baren]

lakestevensdental wrote:
> Matt Emson wrote:
>>  I've never owned a music player other than an  
>> iPod, so maybe things would be different in that case.
>>   
> One huge downside of  both the Ipod AND n8xx series is neither plays wma 
> digital rights audio books.  Our local library has just started to offer 
> mp3 audio books for download, but there are so many fewer books offered 
> in mp3.
> 
>  Sansa's e2x0 series really does audiobooks and basic music quite 
> well.   A refurb 8g runs $50 or so.  Unlike the Ipod, you can access it 
> like a hard drive from a file manager.  Fine print, digital rights audio 
> books require transfers via either Window Media player or Overdrive 
> audio book software. 
> 
> Always, Fred C

...and two more proprietary formats (programs), one of which is 
controlled by Microsoft, the avowed enemy of linux.

It sounds like your usage needs don't match open source software.  There 
is nothing wrong with that, but expecting proprietary software to 
magically work on linux without the support of the companies that own 
that proprietary software is unrealistic.

In my case I've owned (Palm) Pilots for years (Pilot 5000, III, V, Sony, 
E2).  I got tired of not owning my data (locked into proprietary formats 
only understood by proprietary programs, inaccessible from linux).  I 
decided my E2 was the last locked-in PDA that I would own.

When my E2 wore out, I bought a N800 and love it.  On the other hand, my 
usage pattern is quite different than my friends that own iPhones and 
iPods.  I do things on my N800 that they cannot do and vice versa.  I 
don't plan on ever going back to a proprietary platform 
(Pilot/Apple/Microsoft/whatever).  They don't plan to buy linux-based 
PDAs/tablets.  

Best regards,
gvb

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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Jerry Van Baren]

lakestevensdental wrote:
> Rick Bilonick wrote:
>> I could not agree more! I wouldn't buy a car from a manufacturer that
>> forced me to buy batteries, tires, service, etc. from it.
> Actually, the Apple app store is full of software from a variety of 
> sources -- many free, many not.  Like Maemo, it's a central clearing 
> house for software that is deemed suitable for the device of interest. 
> 
> For example, (and one of my peeves about the n800), the App Store has a 
> program/service called Epocrates for medical folks to use to check on 
> drugs, interactions and more.  There's a free download for the Ipod 
> Touch, as well as a paid advanced service/program from the same folks. 
> The same software is available for Blackberries and several other 
> internet phone devices.   However, there has NOT been a port to the n8x0 
> series so far as I can tell.  This software is self-contained so it 
> works with and without wifi connection.   You can get a wifi Epocrates 
> on the n800 in the browser, but you can't use it off the net as the data 
> is not resident on the device -- at least so far as I can determine. 
> 
> Bottomline, you can yell and scream all you want about open source 
> 'free' software.  However, there is something to be said for the 
> increased diversity of having both.  
> 
> Always, Fred C

Hi Fred,

FWIIW, the reason Epocrates isn't available on the N8x0 is because the 
*company*  has not ported it to the 
N8x0.  Since it is closed source, they are the only ones who can do the 
port.  It isn't fair to fault open source 'free' software for things 
(ports) proprietary companies refuse to do.

Perhaps Epocrates is not aware of the N8x0 family.  Perhaps they don't 
believe there is enough of a market in the N8x0 family to be worth their 
effort to port it (they make money by selling a premium version).  Have 
you asked them to port their software to the N8x0?

Best regards,
gvb

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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[kenneth marken]

lakestevensdental wrote:
> kenneth marken wrote:
>> lakestevensdental wrote:
>>   
>>> Rick Bilonick wrote:
>>>   
>>> 
 I could not agree more! I wouldn't buy a car from a manufacturer that
 forced me to buy batteries, tires, service, etc. from it.
 
   
>>> Actually, the Apple app store is full of software from a variety of 
>>> sources -- many free, many not.  Like Maemo, it's a central clearing 
>>> house for software that is deemed suitable for the device of interest. 
>>>
>>> For example, (and one of my peeves about the n800), the App Store has a 
>>> program/service called Epocrates for medical folks to use to check on 
>>> drugs, interactions and more.  There's a free download for the Ipod 
>>> Touch, as well as a paid advanced service/program from the same folks. 
>>> The same software is available for Blackberries and several other 
>>> internet phone devices.   However, there has NOT been a port to the n8x0 
>>> series so far as I can tell.  This software is self-contained so it 
>>> works with and without wifi connection.   You can get a wifi Epocrates 
>>> on the n800 in the browser, but you can't use it off the net as the data 
>>> is not resident on the device -- at least so far as I can determine. 
>>>   
>>> 
>> i say you can thank media for that. they have written just about nothing 
>> on the tablet series, yet even common press writes about apple products 
>> when they usually do not cover tech outside of special columns.
>>
>> basically i see apple as some kind of media darling. as not surprising 
>> really given how common it has been to use apple hardware to run adobe 
>> photoshop and so on. apple products and media production goes a long way 
>> back...
>>   
> This isn't necessarily an Apple Iphone/Ipod deal.  A lot of medical 
> people have Epocrates on their palm pilot device.  AND the software 
> was available before the Iphone and Itouch.
>
>  What undoubtably makes it work really well for developers is the App 
> Store that provides a common portal for both free and paid expanded 
> service software, as well as free and full game versions.   It just 
> makes common marketing sense that the device that has a functional 
> store where people actually buy product is going to do better at 
> attracting development than a 'repository' of free junk.  
>
> Always, Fred C
there is always the possibility to get the palm version going on 
garnetvm, or get nokia to host a version at their tabletter repository.

but basically, nokia nearly flatlined their presence in USA when they 
refused operators to alter the firmware on nokia phones. thats why one 
see close to no USA mobile device blog or similar talk about symbian. 
its only windows mobile, blackberry and lately iphone and android.

and this have had a impact on other nokia products as well, i guess...

sadly, it seems that all the big tech sites online are USA focused. 
gizmodo, engadget, cnet, they all write with a very USA focus. and as 
the iphone makes it big there (and compared to what was around at the 
time, it was a big thing, for that market) this is echoed around the 
world as the smaller sites pick up their news based on the "credibility" 
of the big ones, forgetting about their very slanted view (when it comes 
to mobile tech, USA has just as weird a market as japan, but in a 
somewhat different way).
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[lakestevensdental]

kenneth marken wrote:

  lakestevensdental wrote:
  
  
Rick Bilonick wrote:
  


  I could not agree more! I wouldn't buy a car from a manufacturer that
forced me to buy batteries, tires, service, etc. from it.

  

Actually, the Apple app store is full of software from a variety of 
sources -- many free, many not.  Like Maemo, it's a central clearing 
house for software that is deemed suitable for the device of interest. 

For example, (and one of my peeves about the n800), the App Store has a 
program/service called Epocrates for medical folks to use to check on 
drugs, interactions and more.  There's a free download for the Ipod 
Touch, as well as a paid advanced service/program from the same folks. 
The same software is available for Blackberries and several other 
internet phone devices.   However, there has NOT been a port to the n8x0 
series so far as I can tell.  This software is self-contained so it 
works with and without wifi connection.   You can get a wifi Epocrates 
on the n800 in the browser, but you can't use it off the net as the data 
is not resident on the device -- at least so far as I can determine. 
  

  
  i say you can thank media for that. they have written just about nothing 
on the tablet series, yet even common press writes about apple products 
when they usually do not cover tech outside of special columns.

basically i see apple as some kind of media darling. as not surprising 
really given how common it has been to use apple hardware to run adobe 
photoshop and so on. apple products and media production goes a long way 
back...
  

This isn't necessarily an Apple Iphone/Ipod deal.  A lot of medical
people have Epocrates on their palm pilot device.  AND the software was
available before the Iphone and Itouch. 

 What undoubtably makes it work really well for developers is the App
Store that provides a common portal for both free and paid expanded
service software, as well as free and full game versions.   It just
makes common marketing sense that the device that has a functional
store where people actually buy product is going to do better at
attracting development than a 'repository' of free junk.   

Always, Fred C


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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[lakestevensdental]

Matt Emson wrote:
>  I've never owned a music player other than an  
> iPod, so maybe things would be different in that case.
>   
One huge downside of  both the Ipod AND n8xx series is neither plays wma 
digital rights audio books.  Our local library has just started to offer 
mp3 audio books for download, but there are so many fewer books offered 
in mp3.

 Sansa's e2x0 series really does audiobooks and basic music quite 
well.   A refurb 8g runs $50 or so.  Unlike the Ipod, you can access it 
like a hard drive from a file manager.  Fine print, digital rights audio 
books require transfers via either Window Media player or Overdrive 
audio book software. 

Always, Fred C
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[kenneth marken]

lakestevensdental wrote:
> Rick Bilonick wrote:
>   
>> I could not agree more! I wouldn't buy a car from a manufacturer that
>> forced me to buy batteries, tires, service, etc. from it.
>> 
> Actually, the Apple app store is full of software from a variety of 
> sources -- many free, many not.  Like Maemo, it's a central clearing 
> house for software that is deemed suitable for the device of interest. 
>
> For example, (and one of my peeves about the n800), the App Store has a 
> program/service called Epocrates for medical folks to use to check on 
> drugs, interactions and more.  There's a free download for the Ipod 
> Touch, as well as a paid advanced service/program from the same folks. 
> The same software is available for Blackberries and several other 
> internet phone devices.   However, there has NOT been a port to the n8x0 
> series so far as I can tell.  This software is self-contained so it 
> works with and without wifi connection.   You can get a wifi Epocrates 
> on the n800 in the browser, but you can't use it off the net as the data 
> is not resident on the device -- at least so far as I can determine. 
>   
i say you can thank media for that. they have written just about nothing 
on the tablet series, yet even common press writes about apple products 
when they usually do not cover tech outside of special columns.

basically i see apple as some kind of media darling. as not surprising 
really given how common it has been to use apple hardware to run adobe 
photoshop and so on. apple products and media production goes a long way 
back...
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Denis Dimick]

I think it's "Hurry up and wait" for most of us; we wait to see what
improvements will occur.

I'm interested in seeing what changes the Android will see in the next 6
months.

Thanks,

Denis

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Matt Emson  wrote:

>
> On 22 Dec 2008, at 20:41, Denis Dimick wrote:
>
>  I've had both a n810 and an iPhone (Jailbroken) and ended up selling the
>> iPhone; I was tired of not being able to manage my Music the way I wanted to
>> - iTunes sucks.
>>
>
> I've never really had a problem with iTunes (5th gen iPod owner), but I've
> never had a *good* experience with my N800 and media. My 5th gen ipod runs
> rings around the N800, and that is the problem I have with the N8x0 series
> with regards to media. There's not one player that works properly and has a
> good interface. Canola2 is close, but it constantly plays a few seconds from
> a random MP3 between tracks when on shuffle. No good. I've never owned a
> music player other than an iPod, so maybe things would be different in that
> case.
>
> Android, having played with it over the last few days (Nitdroid) is slicker
> than Maemo. I hope the port matures and I can use it full time. It's a lot
> more pleasurable to use than Maemo. However, the N800 hardware just plain
> struggles to to anything useful in my experience. Even Android is slightly
> pokey, and in similar ways to Maemo, so it's likely a hardware or driver
> level issue.
>
> M
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[lakestevensdental]

Rick Bilonick wrote:
> I could not agree more! I wouldn't buy a car from a manufacturer that
> forced me to buy batteries, tires, service, etc. from it.
Actually, the Apple app store is full of software from a variety of 
sources -- many free, many not.  Like Maemo, it's a central clearing 
house for software that is deemed suitable for the device of interest. 

For example, (and one of my peeves about the n800), the App Store has a 
program/service called Epocrates for medical folks to use to check on 
drugs, interactions and more.  There's a free download for the Ipod 
Touch, as well as a paid advanced service/program from the same folks. 
The same software is available for Blackberries and several other 
internet phone devices.   However, there has NOT been a port to the n8x0 
series so far as I can tell.  This software is self-contained so it 
works with and without wifi connection.   You can get a wifi Epocrates 
on the n800 in the browser, but you can't use it off the net as the data 
is not resident on the device -- at least so far as I can determine. 

Bottomline, you can yell and scream all you want about open source 
'free' software.  However, there is something to be said for the 
increased diversity of having both.  

Always, Fred C
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Matt Emson]

On 22 Dec 2008, at 21:40, lakestevensdental wrote:
>
> Maemo could evolve more in the app store's direction, IMHO.
>

Agreed :-) For end users of a consumer nature, an "app store" would be  
the only reasonable option I think. Android seems to have gotten the  
idea - provide an app store for mainstream apps, but also allow third  
party installs of non sanctioned software. Make it something a user  
must select themselves and accept a clear warning as to the issues  
that go along with third party non sanctioned software.

M. 
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Graham Cobb]

On Monday 22 December 2008 19:13:02 Matt Emson wrote:
> > I know that my N800 can't power
> > USB memory drives,
>
> Works for me. Maybe it's size related? I've mounted unpowered USB keys
> (Americans would say "thumb drive"  I'm guessing) up to 2Gb. The only brand
> I remember ottomh is PNY, which would have been 1Gb. I used a 64Gb one to
> stream video once (choppy as hell, but it sort of worked..)

I can't play MP3's off a USB connected drive.  My N810 can play MP3's off my 
local memory cards and I can copy files to/from USB attached drives with no 
problems.  But I can't play MP3's off the USB attached drives: the sound is 
completely chopped up and incomprehensible.

I assumed that there was some common bus involved in passing data to/from the 
DSP and in accessing the USB so you effectively couldn't do both at the same 
time without exceeding the bandwidth of the bus.  Anyone know if that is 
true?

Graham
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Matt Emson]

On 22 Dec 2008, at 20:41, Denis Dimick wrote:

> I've had both a n810 and an iPhone (Jailbroken) and ended up selling  
> the iPhone; I was tired of not being able to manage my Music the way  
> I wanted to - iTunes sucks.

I've never really had a problem with iTunes (5th gen iPod owner), but  
I've never had a *good* experience with my N800 and media. My 5th gen  
ipod runs rings around the N800, and that is the problem I have with  
the N8x0 series with regards to media. There's not one player that  
works properly and has a good interface. Canola2 is close, but it  
constantly plays a few seconds from a random MP3 between tracks when  
on shuffle. No good. I've never owned a music player other than an  
iPod, so maybe things would be different in that case.

Android, having played with it over the last few days (Nitdroid) is  
slicker than Maemo. I hope the port matures and I can use it full  
time. It's a lot more pleasurable to use than Maemo. However, the N800  
hardware just plain struggles to to anything useful in my experience.  
Even Android is slightly pokey, and in similar ways to Maemo, so it's  
likely a hardware or driver level issue.

M
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Matt Emson]

On 22 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Marius Gedminas wrote:
>>
>
> You mean the one that doesn't flat-out refuse to work with my Linux- 
> only
> laptop?

If we're being pedantic, why would you buy a product that clearly  
states it does not support LINUX? That's a bit like me buying a book  
in Japanese and expecting to be able to read it. Sure, I could learn  
Japanese, but let's face it, it's unlikely I'll learn enough Japanese  
to read the book any time soon ;-)

M
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[lakestevensdental]

Matt Emson wrote:
> The app store is no different in intent for distro of apps than Maemo.org. 
> Different front end, but the intent is similar. "Here are apps in categories 
> to install..."
>   
I agree the "intent" is no different for the app store vs Maemo, 
assuming you're not counting the garage, which has quite a number of 
apps in a variety of states of utility. 

I'm not sure how other's find the garage -- to me it's a mess that's 
barely comprehensible by most any non-geek.  I'd not use it, except that 
where some of the gem's are found. 

While the 'intent' between the app store and Maemo is similar, most 
would probably agree that the app store is a lot more end-user friendly 
than Maemo.  The app store's graphical web info is readily viewed in the 
Ipod's browser, there's no repositories to hunt down to confuse anyone, 
all of the Apple app's use a relatively similar marketing and click to 
download format.   Free and Paid are easily separated by a click.  

Maemo could evolve more in the app store's direction, IMHO. 

Always, Fred C

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cannot install SSU 5.2008.43-7

[Marcus Better]

Hi,

I want to upgrade my N800 to 5.2008.43-7, but the update doesn't even show
up in the Application Manager. I'm running Diablo 4.2008.36-5 (installed by
flashing).

Am I missing some repositories?

~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./
deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free
deb http://packages.collabora.co.uk/maemo chinook haze salut idle
deb http://packages.gizmoproject.com/chinook chinook user
deb ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile chinook release
deb http://repository.maemo.org/rtcomm chinook free

Cheers,

Marcus


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Choppy video from usb thumb-drive [was Re: Itouch v N8x0]

[Luca Olivetti]

En/na Matt Emson ha escrit:
>> I know that my N800 can't power
>> USB memory drives,
> 
> Works for me. Maybe it's size related? I've mounted unpowered USB keys 
> (Americans would say "thumb drive"  I'm guessing) up to 2Gb. The only brand I 
> remember ottomh is PNY, which would have been 1Gb. I used a 64Gb one to 
> stream video once (choppy as hell, but it sort of worked..)

If you use mplayer, you could try -nocache. It seems counterintuitive 
but it got rid of the choppiness here (the video was encodedfor an 
iPod touch ;-))

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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Denis Dimick]

I've had both a n810 and an iPhone (Jailbroken) and ended up selling the
iPhone; I was tired of not being able to manage my Music the way I wanted to
- iTunes sucks.

I then went over to a Windows phone, and have since gone back to my Nokia
5300, at least the Nokia lets me manage my music. I'll look at an Andriod
next year, when they get a bit more cost efective, however, I'l only get rid
of my n810 to buy an new one.

While there is a fairly large learning curve to learn how to deal with a
n810, as with an Linux distro, it's well worth the effort. The simple fact
that you can ssh into the n810, as with other n-series Internet Tablets,
makes it nice. Running "real" commands on the device is the "icing on the
cake".

Just my two cents,

Denis

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:42 AM, A J Thew  wrote:

> 2008/12/19 lakestevensdental :
> > As luck would have it, I recently came across an Ipod Touch 8G as a
> > promo for participating in an online continuing ed podcast deal.  After
> > week or so of playing around with in and my n800, I figure it might be
> > useful to share my experiences and comparison of both units.  I've had
> > my n800 since spring 07.
> >
> >  First off, the Ipod Touch is much sleeker design.  Big enough to view,
> > small enough for the average pocket.  However, as part of this, it
> > sacrifices the stand and stereo speakers of the n800 that I find useful
> > to listen to podcasts while eating breakfast viewing some web/rss page.
> >
> I have a 770 and iPod Touch (firmware 2.2). The exchange facilities in the
> newer
> firmware is really good (if you need this) but Unix like stuff is poor on
> the
> Touch compared to the 770. Yes if you want great music support, there's
> only
> one winer.
>
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Matt Emson]

> I know that my N800 can't power
> USB memory drives,

Works for me. Maybe it's size related? I've mounted unpowered USB keys 
(Americans would say "thumb drive"  I'm guessing) up to 2Gb. The only brand I 
remember ottomh is PNY, which would have been 1Gb. I used a 64Gb one to stream 
video once (choppy as hell, but it sort of worked..)

M
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[hendrik]

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:27:38PM -0600, wolfm...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 12/23/08, hend...@topoi.pooq.com  wrote:
> >> So exactly what model is your keyboard?
> >
> > It's an alphasmart neo.  I've never found another keyboard that feels as
> > good when I'm typing.  And it can be used separate from the computer,
> > too, wherupon is saves up what you type so that later, at the computer,
> > it uploads everything by typing it into you word processor.  It runs on
> > three AA batteries for about nine months of normal use.
> >
> >> I don't have any trouble with
> >> my self-powered USB hub and/or keyboard in any configuration. I
> >> suspect that your keyboard isn't quite USB compliant and requires a
> >> driver (that may exist by default and load automatically in other
> >> OSs).
> >
> >   The keyboard works without special effort on Windows, Mac, and
> > Debian Linux.  But yes, perhaps maemo has left out a driver that was
> > present in Debian.  And maybe it demands power from the USB port in
> > hookup mode that it doesn't need otherwise.  Perhaps draining USB power
> > is how it recognises there's a computer there.
> >
> > I just know it's annoying.
> >
> > -- hendrik
> >
> 
> I'll bet it's a power issue, not a driver one. Try hooking it up
> through a powered hub: if it works, that means it needs power for the
> additional electronics that the tablet can't provide. If it doesn't
> work, it's probably a driver issue. I know that my N800 can't power
> USB memory drives, but works fine with my keyboards. Although it's
> amazing to me that it actually can power the receiver for my wireless
> keyboard. I would have thought that that would take at least as much
> power as a memory drive, but apparently not.
> 
> Mark

Will try.

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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[wolfmane]

On 12/23/08, hend...@topoi.pooq.com  wrote:
>> So exactly what model is your keyboard?
>
> It's an alphasmart neo.  I've never found another keyboard that feels as
> good when I'm typing.  And it can be used separate from the computer,
> too, wherupon is saves up what you type so that later, at the computer,
> it uploads everything by typing it into you word processor.  It runs on
> three AA batteries for about nine months of normal use.
>
>> I don't have any trouble with
>> my self-powered USB hub and/or keyboard in any configuration. I
>> suspect that your keyboard isn't quite USB compliant and requires a
>> driver (that may exist by default and load automatically in other
>> OSs).
>
>   The keyboard works without special effort on Windows, Mac, and
> Debian Linux.  But yes, perhaps maemo has left out a driver that was
> present in Debian.  And maybe it demands power from the USB port in
> hookup mode that it doesn't need otherwise.  Perhaps draining USB power
> is how it recognises there's a computer there.
>
> I just know it's annoying.
>
> -- hendrik
>

I'll bet it's a power issue, not a driver one. Try hooking it up
through a powered hub: if it works, that means it needs power for the
additional electronics that the tablet can't provide. If it doesn't
work, it's probably a driver issue. I know that my N800 can't power
USB memory drives, but works fine with my keyboards. Although it's
amazing to me that it actually can power the receiver for my wireless
keyboard. I would have thought that that would take at least as much
power as a memory drive, but apparently not.

Mark
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[kenneth marken]

Mark wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:47 AM,   wrote:
>   
>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:19:17PM -0600, Mark wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I've been using my N800 tethered to my basic but bluetooth-enabled
>>> phone for Internet access on the go, and I can do a heck of a lot of
>>> stuff the iPhone can only dream about, even if hacked. If I want a
>>> real keyboard, just fire up USB host mode, and type away at a speed
>>> that no iPhone or tiny bluetooth keyboard can hope to do.
>>> They make
>>> inexpensive compact USB keyboards in any configuration you could
>>> possibly want, and keyboards work just fine with the limited power the
>>> tablet can provide (even my Gyration wireless receiver works with no
>>> other power).
>>>   
>> If only my N800 *would* recognise my self-powered USB keyboard as a
>> keyboard!
>>
>> -- hendrik
>> 
>
> So exactly what model is your keyboard? I don't have any trouble with
> my self-powered USB hub and/or keyboard in any configuration. I
> suspect that your keyboard isn't quite USB compliant and requires a
> driver (that may exist by default and load automatically in other
> OSs). Some hubs have that problem - and shouldn't.
>
> I've toyed with the idea of hacking a hub and keyboard together to
> save space and increase the number of power options
iirc, there are keyboards out there with built in hubs. i do not have a 
link to one available tho...
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Mark]

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:47 AM,   wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:19:17PM -0600, Mark wrote:
>
>> I've been using my N800 tethered to my basic but bluetooth-enabled
>> phone for Internet access on the go, and I can do a heck of a lot of
>> stuff the iPhone can only dream about, even if hacked. If I want a
>> real keyboard, just fire up USB host mode, and type away at a speed
>> that no iPhone or tiny bluetooth keyboard can hope to do.
>> They make
>> inexpensive compact USB keyboards in any configuration you could
>> possibly want, and keyboards work just fine with the limited power the
>> tablet can provide (even my Gyration wireless receiver works with no
>> other power).
>
> If only my N800 *would* recognise my self-powered USB keyboard as a
> keyboard!
>
> -- hendrik

So exactly what model is your keyboard? I don't have any trouble with
my self-powered USB hub and/or keyboard in any configuration. I
suspect that your keyboard isn't quite USB compliant and requires a
driver (that may exist by default and load automatically in other
OSs). Some hubs have that problem - and shouldn't.

I've toyed with the idea of hacking a hub and keyboard together to
save space and increase the number of power options.

Mark
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[hendrik]

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:19:17PM -0600, Mark wrote:

> I've been using my N800 tethered to my basic but bluetooth-enabled
> phone for Internet access on the go, and I can do a heck of a lot of
> stuff the iPhone can only dream about, even if hacked. If I want a
> real keyboard, just fire up USB host mode, and type away at a speed
> that no iPhone or tiny bluetooth keyboard can hope to do.
> They make
> inexpensive compact USB keyboards in any configuration you could
> possibly want, and keyboards work just fine with the limited power the
> tablet can provide (even my Gyration wireless receiver works with no
> other power).

If only my N800 *would* recognise my self-powered USB keyboard as a 
keyboard!

-- hendrik
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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[Marius Gedminas]

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:42:54AM +, A J Thew wrote:
> I have a 770 and iPod Touch (firmware 2.2). The exchange facilities in the 
> newer
> firmware is really good (if you need this) but Unix like stuff is poor on the
> Touch compared to the 770. Yes if you want great music support, there's only
> one winer.

You mean the one that doesn't flat-out refuse to work with my Linux-only
laptop?

Marius Gedminas
-- 
Voodoo Programming:  Things programmers do that they know shouldn't work but
they try anyway, and which sometimes actually work, such as recompiling
everything.
-- Karl Lehenbauer


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Re: Itouch v N8x0

[A J Thew]

2008/12/19 lakestevensdental :
> As luck would have it, I recently came across an Ipod Touch 8G as a
> promo for participating in an online continuing ed podcast deal.  After
> week or so of playing around with in and my n800, I figure it might be
> useful to share my experiences and comparison of both units.  I've had
> my n800 since spring 07.
>
>  First off, the Ipod Touch is much sleeker design.  Big enough to view,
> small enough for the average pocket.  However, as part of this, it
> sacrifices the stand and stereo speakers of the n800 that I find useful
> to listen to podcasts while eating breakfast viewing some web/rss page.
>
I have a 770 and iPod Touch (firmware 2.2). The exchange facilities in the newer
firmware is really good (if you need this) but Unix like stuff is poor on the
Touch compared to the 770. Yes if you want great music support, there's only
one winer.

A Thew
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