Re: Nokia device usage
Hi, 2009/3/4, Ognen Duzlevski : > I am curious to find out what people use their Nokias for. If anyone > could share their usage patterns, it would be appreciated. I like reading eBooks on the device. FBreader and liqbase (for text-file books) are great applications for this task. Reading books with liqbase is very comfortable IMHO. My N810 also serves as a GPS navigation device in the car, when I'm in need of navigation. This doesn't happen too often, so I don't see the point of buying a dedicated navi for this. I'm still using my old Navicore 2007 license for Wayfinder. But I don't think that I'll prolong the software license once it expires. The other use of my N810 in the car is as a media player connected to an FM transmitter. I use MediaBox as a media player, because it is very easy to control in car. I also use MediaBox as my media player when not in car and use it to listen to news on the FM radio on the N800. Another usage pattern is a little web browsing, when I don't have a PC near me or don't feel like pulling out my netbook. When there's no WiFi, I tether the tablet via Bluetooth to my phone, and surf via EDGE (my data plan has 200 MB free per month). That's about it. I'm not using many applications on the tablet, but I wouldn't want to miss it either, because for what I'm using it I found it to be a really good device. Cheers, Martin ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Git on Nokia
No worries, I've managed to build it myself. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Yuri Klubakov wrote: > Is there place I can get and install Git on my Nokia N810? > > I built git-1.6.1.3 with SB2 and it runs on the tablet when I copy the > files manually, but I can't create debian package. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Git on Nokia
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Gary wrote: > Yuri Klubakov wrote: >> Is there place I can get and install Git on my Nokia N810? >> > > Someone has a git repository so I have to wonder if there's a package > availab le somewhere... See http://thpinfo.com/2008/smpy/ and > https://garage.maemo.org/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=git > > -Gary Unfortunately these links are not related to git package for Nokia, but to using git as a version control tool for projects. You would use git on your desktop to get the project's source code before building it in Scratchbox. And I want to run git on the Nokia. Yuri. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Gary, thanks for sharing that. I was not aware of the Nokia bet labs www pages/site Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Gary wrote: > Ognen Duzlevski wrote: > >> My N800 boots from a 16Gb SD card and I have plenty of space. >> > > Have you increased your swap size yet? > Settings -> Control Panel -> Memory -> Virtual > > I use mine for the Internet radio streaming, VPN client, ssh client, and > the occasional game. > > Re transcoding video, have you tried Nokia's own app? > http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 > > q.v. http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding > > -Gary > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > > > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi, > >> (exactly zero of >> the available mapping applications are anywhere nearly as >> user-friendly or stable as my Garmin GPS), > > I agree that a dedicated mapping device has its advantages, but also it's > limitations. My Garmin just retired, as I'm now using the N810. I'm on tour > via bike most times, so using maps of openstreetmap is a plus. I even derive > shelters from osm data and display it on top of the map in Maemo Mapper. > Additionally, there's osm2go so I can edit data "on-site". > > I admit that it is a tradeoff, and for average users a Garmin might be a > better choice than a N810. For me as an osm addict and hacker, the N810 is > the perfect companion. > > Cheers, > > ce > If Maemo Mapper would use the *vector* OSM data and do routing on the device (and were a bit more stable, although it's much better than all the other alternatives in that respect), it would absolutely be *the* killer app for the tablets. As is, though, with no offline routing (I actually can't get the routing to work at all) and having to download bitmaps for every zoom level you need, it's far less than ideal for vacationing or on-the-spot navigating and far less efficient with storage space. It also isn't capable of a 3D view, which is more than just a gimmick - it lets you see much more of the route ahead for an equivalent zoom level. The built-in Maps app is much better for on-the-spot navigating, even without enabling the routing. It's very stable, efficient and user-friendly, bearing in mind that it's crippleware and the map data is pretty old. I'm using RoadMap far more than Maemo Mapper these days, but it's pretty unstable and all too often fails epically and repeatedly to download specific areas. I don't know if it's a server problem or the map downloader's fault, but there are several major gaps in areas where I *really* need the map to be filled in. As for Wayfinder's Map app (the one that comes pre-installed on the tablets), I will never understand marketing strategy such as theirs: why on earth would *anyone* pay half again the price of a standalone GPS (that is rock stable, usually multifunction and comes with all the maps preinstalled - and will never start asking for more money just to use the device) to unlock a time-limited "subscription" for navigation in an app that everyone can see beforehand has seriously flawed map data and almost no options. All of the other mapping apps for the tablets are *far* more geocaching- and import/export friendly (and have many more options for map data) than Wayfinder's. If they want subscriptions for map updates, fine, but I for one have zero interest in spending that much cash for an app that I *know* is either going to stop working or require another large cash outlay down the line. Working with OSM is another subject entirely, and can be done without any of the navigation-oriented apps. Saving tracks doesn't require maps, much less navigation, and you don't need any installed apps at all to download, upload and edit OSM data. Granted, dedicated apps theoretically can be more efficient, although I have yet to get any of the desktop apps to work as advertised. So far, they're all incredibly inefficient, counter-intuitive, and excruciatingly slow to use. JOSM is a nightmare. Potlatch works well but has some limitations. I haven't had a chance to try OSM2Go yet, although I have installed it. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Git on Nokia
Yuri Klubakov wrote: > Is there place I can get and install Git on my Nokia N810? > Someone has a git repository so I have to wonder if there's a package availab le somewhere... See http://thpinfo.com/2008/smpy/ and https://garage.maemo.org/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=git -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Nice GUI, just wanted to point out the Nokia converter now runs under Mac O/SX. I prefer the cmd line tools. Thanks, Denis -- sik vis paw kem, para bellum -- oderint dum metuant -- "Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our women and breed a hardier race!" -LT. GEN. LEWIS "CHESTY" PULLER, USMC On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Gary wrote: > Ognen Duzlevski wrote: > > Have not tried this app yet. I guess this is my bad. Cool, thanks! > > > > Don't forget to check out this cool tool, too: > http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Ognen Duzlevski wrote: > Have not tried this app yet. I guess this is my bad. Cool, thanks! > Don't forget to check out this cool tool, too: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Hi Gary, Gary wrote: > Ognen Duzlevski wrote: > >> My N800 boots from a 16Gb SD card and I have plenty of space. >> > > Have you increased your swap size yet? > Settings -> Control Panel -> Memory -> Virtual > > I use mine for the Internet radio streaming, VPN client, ssh client, and > the occasional game. > > Re transcoding video, have you tried Nokia's own app? > http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 > Have not tried this app yet. I guess this is my bad. Cool, thanks! Ognen ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Ognen Duzlevski wrote: > My N800 boots from a 16Gb SD card and I have plenty of space. Have you increased your swap size yet? Settings -> Control Panel -> Memory -> Virtual I use mine for the Internet radio streaming, VPN client, ssh client, and the occasional game. Re transcoding video, have you tried Nokia's own app? http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 q.v. http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding -Gary ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Hi, > (exactly zero of > the available mapping applications are anywhere nearly as > user-friendly or stable as my Garmin GPS), I agree that a dedicated mapping device has its advantages, but also it's limitations. My Garmin just retired, as I'm now using the N810. I'm on tour via bike most times, so using maps of openstreetmap is a plus. I even derive shelters from osm data and display it on top of the map in Maemo Mapper. Additionally, there's osm2go so I can edit data "on-site". I admit that it is a tradeoff, and for average users a Garmin might be a better choice than a N810. For me as an osm addict and hacker, the N810 is the perfect companion. Cheers, ce ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Ognen Duzlevski wrote: > Hello, > First off, as soon as you touch the screen (even by accident), the > lead disappears and you have to set it up again Just tap the center button in the D-pad and it will cycle between lead off and the two different lead modes. In other words, if lead is off one tap will reinstate it. Experiment with the different hard buttons; you'll find they are very useful in many applications for quick access to important functions. I've found my N800 to be less than I hoped as well (exactly zero of the available mapping applications are anywhere nearly as user-friendly or stable as my Garmin GPS), but it's still useful. So far I'm not sorry I bought it, although lately I'm having power connector and battery level reporting issues that may change my mind... Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
My device list is: Cellphone N810 tablet Dell Mini 9 Macbook each of them has its own use, they one that's specific to it plus a bit of what is not specific to it. Cellphone I use it for calling. But I also use it as a camera and mp3 player when I don't have them with me. But it is not a camera nor an mp3 player, so I can't complain on those features when they don't work as "expected". N810 tablet I use it at home on the sofa to keep me on-line: chat, some cheap web browsing, email and so on. Tasks that I do while not watching the TV (i.e. my partner's zapping or there's an annoying commercial). I use it on the move, to do staff the phone can't do. E-Mail, cheap browsing, keeping me contacted on Skype/IM/and so on. Dell Mini 9 I use this at home mainly, when not watching a TV but want to do a better browsing, do some work, some editing, some development WHILE also keeping me on-line on IMs/Skype and so fort. It can do, on the sofa, what the laptop can do (but it's too heavy/big to do) and what the N810 can do, but it's too slow/small/cramped keyboard. Macbook A laptop. Well, mainly used by my partner for work, but can be used when the Dell Mini 9 fails (store data [even tho I am gonna buy an external network drive for that], CD/DVD player, CD/DVD burning, and so on). All the devices cover all my needs and I think would cover all your needs and everyone needs if used in the right context. I wish the cellphone could substitute the N810 as it'd smaller and an all-in-one device, but it clearly can't do that. I wish the N810 could substitute the Dell Mini 9, but reality proved this can't be. I wish the Dell Mini 9 could substitute the Mac, but again, this can't be. Actually there are cases where I wish I had a desktop, but the Macbook can substitute it, so I still haven't justified the expense there. Hope this helps. Aniello 2009/3/4 Ognen Duzlevski : > Eero Tamminen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> ext Ognen Duzlevski wrote: >>> lead disappears and you have to set it up again (here is the problem: >>> I am driving and the unit shuts off the screen to conserve power >> >> In fullscreen mode Maemo mapper prevents screen blanking. > Then I must have missed this somewhere in the documentation. Thanks. > >> - when I need the screen, I touch it but then I loose the lead >> >> And if you set the dim and blank timeouts from the Control panel to >> same value, the device doesn't dim the screen (which IMHO is just >> annoying), but just directly blanks it after the timeout. >> >> When the screen is blanked, tapping it will just unblank it. The tap >> that wakes the screen doesn't go to the application. > Hmm. Maybe. But when you are in your vehicle, you don't have the > opportunity to be so precise so you inevitably end up touching it twice > without knowing. > >>> can also zoom in on another portion of the map - naturally I don't >>> have the freedom to play with the menus and re-set everything up >>> since I am driving!). Maps are also an issue, if I decide to download >>> too many zoom levels, the maps are too large and Maemo Mapper dies >>> processing them. >> and it >> >> I've found out that it's better to do this before the trip (and restart >> Maemo Mapper after it, otherwise it can take a lot of RAM and make >> the whole device slow). > Well, that's what I do. However, I have not had the luck with processing > more than, say, 48 MB of maps. My N800 boots from a 16Gb SD card and I > have plenty of space. It seems to be a function of RAM and I think the > kernel might be killing the process if it is taking up too much RAM (or > maybe the program is buggy and dies itself). > >>> So, all in all, what do people use their Nokias for >> >> - As a portable map with Maemo Mapper >> - OpenStreet and the Finnish topographic maps are great >> - For Skype >> - when abroad as I don't need Skype otherwise >> - Browsing public transportation time-tables etc over phone >> - Looking morning TV-news at breakfast >> - from a mobile internet video streaming service >> - Viewing photos from our digi-camera when on vacation >> - and in general as a memory card reader >> - Some music and games (e.g. graphical adventures with ScummVm) > Yeah, but I guess in my mind this does not justify the cost (when I > bought it, it was about $250). That's why I started thinking that maybe > I am uninspired when it comes to using the device and that there must be > people out there doing cooler stuff with it. For example, I have a Sony > camera that has a screen about the size of the N800, so no need to view > the photos on the Nokia. I just got an Asus EEE for a similar price at > Best Buy here in the States and it is actually a much more usable > gadget. I understand it is not tablet size but it is darn close and much > more capable and usable with a "real" keyboard and bigger screen. And > Firefox on t is way faster at displaying pages than the N800. It gets > really annoying when you go for a trip and you are in your hotel room > look
Re: Nokia device usage
Eero Tamminen wrote: > Hi, > > ext Ognen Duzlevski wrote: >> lead disappears and you have to set it up again (here is the problem: >> I am driving and the unit shuts off the screen to conserve power > > In fullscreen mode Maemo mapper prevents screen blanking. Then I must have missed this somewhere in the documentation. Thanks. > - when I need the screen, I touch it but then I loose the lead > > And if you set the dim and blank timeouts from the Control panel to > same value, the device doesn't dim the screen (which IMHO is just > annoying), but just directly blanks it after the timeout. > > When the screen is blanked, tapping it will just unblank it. The tap > that wakes the screen doesn't go to the application. Hmm. Maybe. But when you are in your vehicle, you don't have the opportunity to be so precise so you inevitably end up touching it twice without knowing. >> can also zoom in on another portion of the map - naturally I don't >> have the freedom to play with the menus and re-set everything up >> since I am driving!). Maps are also an issue, if I decide to download >> too many zoom levels, the maps are too large and Maemo Mapper dies >> processing them. > and it > > I've found out that it's better to do this before the trip (and restart > Maemo Mapper after it, otherwise it can take a lot of RAM and make > the whole device slow). Well, that's what I do. However, I have not had the luck with processing more than, say, 48 MB of maps. My N800 boots from a 16Gb SD card and I have plenty of space. It seems to be a function of RAM and I think the kernel might be killing the process if it is taking up too much RAM (or maybe the program is buggy and dies itself). >> So, all in all, what do people use their Nokias for > > - As a portable map with Maemo Mapper > - OpenStreet and the Finnish topographic maps are great > - For Skype > - when abroad as I don't need Skype otherwise > - Browsing public transportation time-tables etc over phone > - Looking morning TV-news at breakfast > - from a mobile internet video streaming service > - Viewing photos from our digi-camera when on vacation > - and in general as a memory card reader > - Some music and games (e.g. graphical adventures with ScummVm) Yeah, but I guess in my mind this does not justify the cost (when I bought it, it was about $250). That's why I started thinking that maybe I am uninspired when it comes to using the device and that there must be people out there doing cooler stuff with it. For example, I have a Sony camera that has a screen about the size of the N800, so no need to view the photos on the Nokia. I just got an Asus EEE for a similar price at Best Buy here in the States and it is actually a much more usable gadget. I understand it is not tablet size but it is darn close and much more capable and usable with a "real" keyboard and bigger screen. And Firefox on t is way faster at displaying pages than the N800. It gets really annoying when you go for a trip and you are in your hotel room looking for restaurants or things to do and it takes 5 minutes to open a page... I am not trying to bash the N800 (or N810), they are fine devices, just trying to see whether I can put my device to a better use. For example, I have been a long time Linux user/admin and with a bluetooth keyboard I can fire up the Xterm and run mplayer manually but even with that, I have had no luck in actually ripping a DVD to a point it is actually viewable on the N800. I use Handbrake on my Linux desktop and am yet to find the right combination of all parameters while ripping the DVD to produce a movie that is actually not choppy on the N800. If anyone has the experience, I would appreciate the help. Right now the device is pretty useless to me. Even if I have something to watch, Canola's interface is pretty strange, I have to say. Thanks, Ognen ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Hi, ext Ognen Duzlevski wrote: > lead disappears and you have to set it up again (here is the problem: I > am driving and the unit shuts off the screen to conserve power In fullscreen mode Maemo mapper prevents screen blanking. > - when I need the screen, I touch it but then I loose the lead And if you set the dim and blank timeouts from the Control panel to same value, the device doesn't dim the screen (which IMHO is just annoying), but just directly blanks it after the timeout. When the screen is blanked, tapping it will just unblank it. The tap that wakes the screen doesn't go to the application. > and it > can also zoom in on another portion of the map - naturally I don't have the > freedom to play with the menus and re-set everything up since I am > driving!). Maps are also an issue, if I decide to download too many zoom > levels, the maps are too large and Maemo Mapper dies processing them. I've found out that it's better to do this before the trip (and restart Maemo Mapper after it, otherwise it can take a lot of RAM and make the whole device slow). > also difficult for me. Thus, I gave up. Next, Skype: I have tried to > have a phone call or two over wireless, but with mixed luck, sometimes > too slow, sometimes alright. Skype has worked fine for me. Have you some ancient release on your device (there were sound quality issues in 2007 and earlier releases)? > So, all in all, what do people use their Nokias for - As a portable map with Maemo Mapper - OpenStreet and the Finnish topographic maps are great - For Skype - when abroad as I don't need Skype otherwise - Browsing public transportation time-tables etc over phone - Looking morning TV-news at breakfast - from a mobile internet video streaming service - Viewing photos from our digi-camera when on vacation - and in general as a memory card reader - Some music and games (e.g. graphical adventures with ScummVm) Basically stuff for what phone is too small for and laptop is too unwieldy. It's nice when traveling (I don't need to drag a laptop with me). > and are they happy with the overall usability of the apps and their documentation? Or am I > just being lazy and giving up easily? It seems to me, I would have been > better off waiting for an Android based phone, for example. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Nokia device usage
Hello, I am curious to find out what people use their Nokias for. If anyone could share their usage patterns, it would be appreciated. I bought an N800 thinking that it was a very cool gadget (which it seems to be). However, I am having trouble justifying the expense to myself, even after a year of owning the thing. Here is my list of complaints: It is too slow when browsing the net (compared to, for example, my Asus EEE or my laptop). Then I thought I would use it as a glorified GPS unit so I spent more money and bought a bluetooth GPS unit for it. However, I have never been able to make Maemo Mapper really act in a user-friendly way. First off, as soon as you touch the screen (even by accident), the lead disappears and you have to set it up again (here is the problem: I am driving and the unit shuts off the screen to conserve power - when I need the screen, I touch it but then I loose the lead and it can also zoom in on another portion of the map - naturally I don't have the freedom to play with the menus and re-set everything up since I am driving!). Maps are also an issue, if I decide to download too many zoom levels, the maps are too large and Maemo Mapper dies processing them. Next, I tried Canola: it looks very pretty but the user interface is puzzling to me. I have tried to tell it where to look for videos or music but it was impossible to actually do so. Making a playlist was also difficult for me. Thus, I gave up. Next, Skype: I have tried to have a phone call or two over wireless, but with mixed luck, sometimes too slow, sometimes alright. Finally, the usage I really bought the unit for was to connect to my lego mindstorms NXT unit via bluetooth and control it from the N800. I have yet to have success in pairing the devices (to be fair, the problem is probably with the NXT). So, all in all, what do people use their Nokias for and are they happy with the overall usability of the apps and their documentation? Or am I just being lazy and giving up easily? It seems to me, I would have been better off waiting for an Android based phone, for example. Thanks, OD ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Twitter shell for N810 ?
Andrew Daviel wrote: > Is there a Twitter client for the tablet ? > Mauku. I wrote a simple one in Mono that works up to a point on the NIT, but Mauku is the way to go. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Twitter shell for N810 ?
Is there a Twitter client for the tablet ? I presume that it works fine in the browser, but I was thinking to send GPS location automatically. (e.g. when sailing alone, "last known position xxx") For my desktop I found a Perl module, but it needs a lot of CPAN stuff including JSON modules which might be a problem on the tablet. Alternatively, I can use gnokii with my cellphone to send an SMS. Which might actually be easier, though a Web API would also work when on WiFI. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
