Re: Nokia device usage
John Holmblad a écrit : Jean-Chirstian, you have put into words a good operational definition of the mass market for the context of this discussion, that is: ...people that don't have some technical orientation Like many companies, Nokia seems to have been fooled into thinking that the mass market as one that DOES have a technical orientation. Apple, a very experienced marketing as well as technology company does not make this mistake. I for one would like to see Apple acquire Nokia. That would be a great combination. Unfortunately, and in direct contrast to Cisco, Apple does not do acquisitions and they have never been good at it. I was not talking about Apple. Nokia make a hug number of phone that are buy by people without technical orientation. Theres phones are easy to use and the interface is not frustrating as is the current interface of too many applications of the tablet. Nokia, as a company, can do a super tablet product, but this need strategic decision from the top of the company to put the most skilled QA and interface engineering resources there have to work with the current team. I think this is the good time to do so. Now the hardware and the infrastructure of the tablet is mature enough. The market too. Best Regards. -- Jean-Christian de Rivaz ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
See online reply. Sent from my iPhone On 7 Mar 2009, at 02:08, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: I for one would like to see Apple acquire Nokia. That would be a great combination. A couple points: 1. Apple makes proprietary, closed solutions. Try to reverse engineer Apple´s firmware for compatibility reasons and you´ll see Apple lawyers coming to get you. You don't need to. This is the point. There are only two types of people that need to do tho : 1) people who don't want Apple hardware but want Apple Software, 2) iPhone users Who cant live in the sade world Apple created. 2. Apple makes expensive, not cheap, hardware. This is a misconception Apple makes expensive hardware that is well specified. Apple does not cater to PC builder types. 3. Apple does not support Free Software in general (if you know any Apple software released under the GNU GPL Free Software license, let me know) that puts it at odds with the N8xx tablets Linux OS foundation. Free software does not require GPL. 4. Apple continues pretending Linux doesn´t exist (Quicktime for Lin ux, anyone). Lots of companies ignore Linux. It's not an Apple exclusive. 5. Apple charges an arm and a leg for software upgrades No, no it doesn't. Apple charges for major releases. But point releases (eg. Ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10) are free. 10.4 to 10.5 was a major release. Microsoft charges way more for the same type of upgrade. 6. Apple doesn´t like people tinkering with its OS. There's not a lot you need to tinker with. It just works. 7. Apple is just a Microsoft with a sense of style. There´s plenty of not invented here syndrome, like Microsoft does with WMV, Apple does with Quicktime. Why not embrace OpenOffice.org? Not invented at Apple, so it must suck, right?. Because Apple have iWork, which is pretty much better that OpenOffice for most users. So please don´t. I wouldn´t buy any device from Apple corp. Apple Corp is the Beatles record label, isn't it? Each to their own. FC not do acquisitions and they have never been good at it. Best Regards, ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: sync with google calendar?
On Saturday 07 March 2009 01:09:15 Mark wrote: Ah, now I remember... that's the same problem I had. It is due to a feature/bug with the onscreen keyboard where it always wants to capitalize the first letter of every entry for you. It seems to be aware of MicroB and doesn't do that for Web logins, but does for text entry in most other intstalled apps. This doesn't help you but it is actually a bug in the application. The program is supposed to tell the keyboard whether or not to capitalise the first letter. It sounds as though MicroB does do this for the password but Erming does not. Graham ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: sync with google calendar?
Graham == Graham Cobb g+...@cobb.uk.net writes: Graham On Saturday 07 March 2009 01:09:15 Mark wrote: Ah, now I remember... that's the same problem I had. It is due to a feature/bug with the onscreen keyboard where it always wants to capitalize the first letter of every entry for you. It seems to be aware of MicroB and doesn't do that for Web logins, but does for text entry in most other intstalled apps. Graham This doesn't help you but it is actually a bug in the Graham application. The program is supposed to tell the keyboard Graham whether or not to capitalise the first letter. It sounds Graham as though MicroB does do this for the password but Erming Graham does not. Yes, I've reported it on the bug tracker, as well as my workaround. (I worked around the problem by entering another letter in front of the real password, and then deleting the extraneous letter.) The problem with the time zone turned out to be that I hadn't set my time zone on the 810. I still haven't found a way to get GPE to display evening appointments on the day view, but I can live without that. -- Laura (mailto:lcon...@laymusic.org http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 We had a young pitcher on that club named Jimmy St. Vrain. He was a left-handed pitcher and a right-handed batter. But an absolutely terrible hitter -- never even got a loud foul off anybody. ...he came back after striking out the second time, Frank Sele, our manager, said, Jimmy, you're a left-handed pitcher, why don't you turn around and bat from the left side, too? Actually, Frank was half kidding, but Jimmy took him seriously. So the next time he went up he batted left-handed. Turned around and stood on the opposite side of the plate from where he was used to, you know. And darned if he didn't actually hit the ball. He tapped a slow roller down to Honus Wagner at shortstop and took off as fast as he could go...but instead of running to first base, he headed for *third*! Oh, my God! What bedlam! Everybody yelling and screaming at poor Jimmy as he raced to third base, head down, spikes flying, determined to get there ahead of the throw. Later on, Honus told us that as a matter of fact he almost *did* throw the ball to third. I'm standing there with the ball in my hand, Honus said, looking at this guy running from home to third, and for an instant there I swear I didn't know *where* to throw the damn ball. And when I finally did throw to first, I wasn't at all sure it was the right thing to do! Davy Jones, quoted in The Glory of their Times by Lawrence S. Ritter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 01:06:58PM +, Matt Emson wrote: 3. Apple does not support Free Software in general (if you know any Apple software released under the GNU GPL Free Software license, let me know) that puts it at odds with the N8xx tablets Linux OS foundation. Free software does not require GPL. squeak is a smalltalk inmplementation. It was apparently put together in an Apple research facility, and appears to be free, but not GPL'd ... ... ... So please don´t. I wouldn´t buy any device from Apple corp. Apple Corp is the Beatles record label, isn't it? Yes. Apple licenced the name to build their computers. There was legal dispute about the scope of the licence when Apple started with itunes. -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Mark, You can substitute Motorola cell phones for Nokia tablets and your arguments will remain valid. Hardware is easier than software. julius On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Mark wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: John, you wrote: [snip] I have to agree with Mark that, implicitly, Nokia misleads the public to the extent that it markets the IT's along side of its other mass market mobile phone devices if, in fact, the IT's are a work in progress (I agree, they are, unfortunately)? that will take 5 generations? and a few more years to get the product ready for the mass market. I don't think they're yet ready for the mainstream, but I don't think they're an albatross around the neck of anyone who buys them, as your Amazon figures show: N800 ? ? 4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 172 N810 ? ? 4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 93 Anyway, let's remember the not ready for mainstream point... ? ? Over a period of three years, I can count on one finger the number ? ? of individuals besides myself that I have actually seen ? ? carrying/using an IT As you say, the mainstream aren't buying them yet. If they're not ready for the mainstream, that's a good thing, no? Not really, because as long as they can keep selling them in relatively small numbers to fanboys they don't have to worry about supporting them or ever polishing them to the point that they are living up to their full potential. Do you really think the successors will be any better? They'll keep updating the hardware, and keep spending far too little time finishing the software. No generation will ever be better than the current ones in that respect. What good is fantastic hardware without software that can make full use of it? The N800 has been discontinued for a while already, and at this point there's zero chance that I'll ever be able to use the hardware to its full potential. Nokia has already moved on, and once the next generation comes out most of the kind and generous developers who are supplying us with apps for the current crop will move most of their attention to the new device. They've already said that there will be zero backwards compatibility with the OS and software because the hardware is going to be fundamentally different. Do you not understand that as long as they keep coming out with new devices and dropping the old ones there will NEVER be one that is ready for consumers? In order for a device to be ready for consumers they have to stand by it long enough to finish the software. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N8xx ponderings
lakestevensdental wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM, kenneth marken kemar...@broadpark.no wrote: iirc, when first launched the linux variant was the lowest spec-ed one, and the windows variants both came with rebates that made them as cheap or cheaper then the start out config of the linux one. FYI, you can install Ubuntu Easy Peasy on a Linux netbook with a couple easy steps. Dual boot to XP or Xandros is possible. Also, if you've got a spare XP license floating around, it's relatively simple to install XP on a linux netbook http://www.multimolti.de/blog/2008/12/14/install-windows-7-on-asus-eee-pc-900/, nLited or not. FYI, my nLited XP eee netbook running at a modest 600M speed boots from solid state memory in about 15 seconds, about a minute faster than most any other XP I've used. It's truly impressive how well XP runs when you nLite and remove all the MS junk you never use or need. I also just upgraded from 500M to a SODIMM 2G internal memory card for $25. Meanwhile, my ntablet appears stuck with a whopping 128M... fully aware of it, but does that info help a customer that may not even have restored the os of any previous computer without grabbing a nearby geek? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Matt Emson wrote: See online reply. Sent from my iPhone On 7 Mar 2009, at 02:08, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: I for one would like to see Apple acquire Nokia. That would be a great combination. A couple points: 1. Apple makes proprietary, closed solutions. Try to reverse engineer Apple´s firmware for compatibility reasons and you´ll see Apple lawyers coming to get you. You don't need to. This is the point. There are only two types of people that need to do tho : 1) people who don't want Apple hardware but want Apple Software, 2) iPhone users Who cant live in the sade world Apple created. 2. Apple makes expensive, not cheap, hardware. This is a misconception Apple makes expensive hardware that is well specified. Apple does not cater to PC builder types. 3. Apple does not support Free Software in general (if you know any Apple software released under the GNU GPL Free Software license, let me know) that puts it at odds with the N8xx tablets Linux OS foundation. Free software does not require GPL. 4. Apple continues pretending Linux doesn´t exist (Quicktime for Lin ux, anyone). Lots of companies ignore Linux. It's not an Apple exclusive. 5. Apple charges an arm and a leg for software upgrades No, no it doesn't. Apple charges for major releases. But point releases (eg. Ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10) are free. 10.4 to 10.5 was a major release. Microsoft charges way more for the same type of upgrade. 6. Apple doesn´t like people tinkering with its OS. There's not a lot you need to tinker with. It just works. 7. Apple is just a Microsoft with a sense of style. There´s plenty of not invented here syndrome, like Microsoft does with WMV, Apple does with Quicktime. Why not embrace OpenOffice.org? Not invented at Apple, so it must suck, right?. Because Apple have iWork, which is pretty much better that OpenOffice for most users. So please don´t. I wouldn´t buy any device from Apple corp. Apple Corp is the Beatles record label, isn't it? Each to their own. FC not do acquisitions and they have never been good at it. i would simply say, if you want a iphone, buy a iphone, if you want a tablet, buy a tablet. but do not buy a tablet, expecting to get a iphone! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 01:06:58PM +, Matt Emson wrote: 3. Apple does not support Free Software in general (if you know any Apple software released under the GNU GPL Free Software license, let me know) that puts it at odds with the N8xx tablets Linux OS foundation. Free software does not require GPL. squeak is a smalltalk inmplementation. It was apparently put together in an Apple research facility, and appears to be free, but not GPL'd ... ... ... So please don´t. I wouldn´t buy any device from Apple corp. Apple Corp is the Beatles record label, isn't it? Yes. Apple licenced the name to build their computers. There was legal dispute about the scope of the licence when Apple started with itunes. iirc, apple computers got sued by apple records when they first got the media spotlight with the appleII (oh how the mighty have fallen, that thing was basically as open as one could get when it came to tinkering), but settled with the agreement that apple computers would not go into the music biz. so not surprising that there was a whole lot of noise and lawyers when itms opened up... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Sent from my iPhone On 7 Mar 2009, at 16:05, Julius Szelagiewicz jul...@turtle.com wrote: Mark, You can substitute Motorola cell phones for Nokia tablets and your arguments will remain valid. Hardware is easier than software. julius Now, that's just plain mean!! No company makes phones as bad as Motorola ;-) On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Mark wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: John, you wrote: [snip] I have to agree with Mark that, implicitly, Nokia misleads the public to the extent that it markets the IT's along side of its other mass market mobile phone devices if, in fact, the IT's are a work in progress (I agree, they are, unfortunately) that will take 5 generations and a few more years to get the product ready for the mass market. I don't think they're yet ready for the mainstream, but I don't think they're an albatross around the neck of anyone who buys them, as your Amazon figures show: N800 4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 172 N810 4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 93 Anyway, let's remember the not ready for mainstream point... Over a period of three years, I can count on one finger the number of individuals besides myself that I have actually seen carrying/using an IT As you say, the mainstream aren't buying them yet. If they're not ready for the mainstream, that's a good thing, no? Not really, because as long as they can keep selling them in relatively small numbers to fanboys they don't have to worry about supporting them or ever polishing them to the point that they are living up to their full potential. Do you really think the successors will be any better? They'll keep updating the hardware, and keep spending far too little time finishing the software. No generation will ever be better than the current ones in that respect. What good is fantastic hardware without software that can make full use of it? The N800 has been discontinued for a while already, and at this point there's zero chance that I'll ever be able to use the hardware to its full potential. Nokia has already moved on, and once the next generation comes out most of the kind and generous developers who are supplying us with apps for the current crop will move most of their attention to the new device. They've already said that there will be zero backwards compatibility with the OS and software because the hardware is going to be fundamentally different. Do you not understand that as long as they keep coming out with new devices and dropping the old ones there will NEVER be one that is ready for consumers? In order for a device to be ready for consumers they have to stand by it long enough to finish the software. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Jean-Christian, you are, of course, correct in that Nokia has had tremendous success with mass market mobile phones but not PDA's or IT's. Nokia might do well run the following experiment (in situ if you will) to get a better (and sooner than 2 more generations from now) grasp of what the mass market really expects/demands from an IT like product.. * Select a diversified (from janitor to exec level) sample of say 100 NON-Technical employees of Nokia from around the world who do not already own/use an IT and provide them with a N810 + a mobile phone with data service but with all other apps besides voice on the mobile phone itself disabled. Disabling those apps obviously will force the user to get to know the N810. * Provide no training, only the documentation in the product box. * Let them use the combo for 90 days * Run a focus group (or a few) at the end to record experiences, attitudes, perspectives on their use of the n810 My own theory, so far unproven is that a truly successful IT product should be able to take away market share from the smartphone market, allowing the user to replace their smartphone with a less powerful handset that supports voice + data (as a modem) + bluetooth + a very strong battery and which for the most part, stays in the user's pocket. Perhaps the forthcoming G4 of the IT, with its HSDPA support, if and when it is released, will eliminate the need for the handset altogether for those intrepid enough to replace their GSM voice provider with a provider of SIP trunking services. Those of us, in the U.S. for example, who use CDMA/EVDO networks for our mobile service will either have to switch to a mobile service provider that supports HSDPA or, utilize the bluetooth interface on the G4 IT to our CDMA/EVDO mobile phone, and live with the vestigial (for this particular use case) HSDPA radio. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * *Serving the SmartDigital^TM home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging network service provider markets* * * *GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GAWN, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM*** *Cisco Select Certified Partner and SMB Specialist | **Microsoft Small Business Specialist | Speakeasy Certified VOIP Partner | Linksys Authorized LVS Partner | Qualys Certified Qualysguard Specialist* * * (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (W) www.acadiasecure.com primary email address: jholmb...@acadiasecure.com mailto:jholmb...@acadiasecure.com backup email address: jholmb...@verizon.net mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net Jean-Christian de Rivaz wrote: John Holmblad a écrit : Jean-Chirstian, you have put into words a good operational definition of the mass market for the context of this discussion, that is: ...people that don't have some technical orientation Like many companies, Nokia seems to have been fooled into thinking that the mass market as one that DOES have a technical orientation. Apple, a very experienced marketing as well as technology company does not make this mistake. I for one would like to see Apple acquire Nokia. That would be a great combination. Unfortunately, and in direct contrast to Cisco, Apple does not do acquisitions and they have never been good at it. I was not talking about Apple. Nokia make a hug number of phone that are buy by people without technical orientation. Theres phones are easy to use and the interface is not frustrating as is the current interface of too many applications of the tablet. Nokia, as a company, can do a super tablet product, but this need strategic decision from the top of the company to put the most skilled QA and interface engineering resources there have to work with the current team. I think this is the good time to do so. Now the hardware and the infrastructure of the tablet is mature enough. The market too. Best Regards. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Naive question , How I can control where applications are installed ?
All, Sorry for the naive question, is there is a way to control where Applications are installed on my Nokia N810. I'd rather to install all applications on the Memory card instead of the built-in memory Thankx Samer -- __ http://geek2live.blogspot.com/ http://www.siteheed.com - You pick the level of your suffering yourself - Budha- - There is nothing noble in being superior to some other man. The true nobility is in being superior to your previous self.-- Hindu proverb - Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.-Abraham Lincoln - Live Free or Die-Kernel The Canine- - Without music, life would be a mistake.- Nietzsche - He who reigns within himself and rules his passions, desires, and fears is more than a king.-- John Milton - The best portion of a good man's life is the little, nameless,unremembered acts of kindness and love.-- William Wordsworth (1770-1850) English poet -- - The higher type of man clings to virtue, the lower type of man clings to material comfort. The higher type of man cherishes justice, the lower type of man cherishes the hope of favors to be received.-- Confucius (551-479 BC) Chinese Philosopher ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Naive question , How I can control where applications are installed ?
not really, only thing you can do is run the OS from the mem card. K - Original message - ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
John Holmblad a écrit : Jean-Christian, Perhaps the forthcoming G4 of the IT, with its HSDPA support, if and when it is released, will eliminate the need for the handset altogether for those intrepid enough to replace their GSM voice provider with a provider of SIP trunking services. Those of us, in the U.S. for example, who use CDMA/EVDO networks for our mobile service will either have to switch to a mobile service provider that supports HSDPA or, utilize the bluetooth interface on the G4 IT to our CDMA/EVDO mobile phone, and live with the vestigial (for this particular use case) HSDPA radio. John, I don't understand why the next tablet will not be able to make regular phone call, since it will have 3G link. It's a non sense. Of course it's possible to use SIP over HSDPA, but it's not a service that provides well know operators (at lest in Switzerland) where the vast majority of people already have there usual number (maybe this will change in the future). I hope the HSDPA is not the only protocol of the next tablet as there is still vast area where only the GSM signal will be available. And from my experience, I doubt that even the 3G IP link have acceptable quality of service to pass a SIP call if your are not is near ideal condition compared to a regular call. Best regards, -- Jean-Christian de Rivaz ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: Jean-Christian, you are, of course, correct in that Nokia has had tremendous success with mass market mobile phones but not PDA's or IT's. Nokia might do well run the following experiment (in situ if you will) to get a better (and sooner than 2 more generations from now) grasp of what the mass market really expects/demands from an IT like product.. * Select a diversified (from janitor to exec level) sample of say 100 NON-Technical employees of Nokia from around the world who do not already own/use an IT and provide them with a N810 + a mobile phone with data service but with all other apps besides voice on the mobile phone itself disabled. Disabling those apps obviously will force the user to get to know the N810. * Provide no training, only the documentation in the product box. * Let them use the combo for 90 days * Run a focus group (or a few) at the end to record experiences, attitudes, perspectives on their use of the n810 My own theory, so far unproven is that a truly successful IT product should be able to take away market share from the smartphone market, allowing the user to replace their smartphone with a less powerful handset that supports voice + data (as a modem) + bluetooth + a very strong battery and which for the most part, stays in the user's pocket. If Nokia had ever finished the software for the tablets, they would *already* have taken market share from the smartphone market. It makes a lot more sense to tether to a dumb phone (that is usually much smaller and lighter and is easily and cheaply replaced by a newer one) for Internet connectivity and have a device that is more or less open and very software upgradeable than an expensive smartphone that will be quickly outdated and basically not upgradeable. Sure, you may be able to get lots of apps, but you're pretty much stuck with the form factor and shipped OS. I'm really beginning to wonder if the tablets are strictly a teaching/testing exercise for Nokia's new hires to see if they can produce something that works at all before turning them loose on real products. They certainly don't seem to be at all serious about selling them. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz j...@eclis.ch wrote: I don't understand why the next tablet will not be able to make regular phone call, since it will have 3G link. It's a non sense. You seem awfully sure about the features of a device which has yet to be announced, let alone released. Perhaps such certainty should be held in check until an announcement is actually made about what the RX-51 and RX-71 *are*? Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
Andrew, yes, I am being overly presumptuous as to what kind of radio technology will and will not be in the next turn of the IT hardware. I must have read it somewhere that it was going to be HSDPA only. . Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC Andrew Flegg wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Jean-Christian de Rivaz j...@eclis.ch wrote: I don't understand why the next tablet will not be able to make regular phone call, since it will have 3G link. It's a non sense. You seem awfully sure about the features of a device which has yet to be announced, let alone released. Perhaps such certainty should be held in check until an announcement is actually made about what the RX-51 and RX-71 *are*? Cheers, Andrew ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 02:41:04PM -0700, Mark wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:24 AM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: Jean-Christian, you are, of course, correct in that Nokia has had tremendous success with mass market mobile phones but not PDA's or IT's. Nokia might do well run the following experiment (in situ if you will) to get a better (and sooner than 2 more generations from now) grasp of what the mass market really expects/demands from an IT like product.. * Select a diversified (from janitor to exec level) sample of say 100 NON-Technical employees of Nokia from around the world who do not already own/use an IT and provide them with a N810 + a mobile phone with data service but with all other apps besides voice on the mobile phone itself disabled. Disabling those apps obviously will force the user to get to know the N810. * Provide no training, only the documentation in the product box. * Let them use the combo for 90 days * Run a focus group (or a few) at the end to record experiences, attitudes, perspectives on their use of the n810 My own theory, so far unproven is that a truly successful IT product should be able to take away market share from the smartphone market, allowing the user to replace their smartphone with a less powerful handset that supports voice + data (as a modem) + bluetooth + a very strong battery and which for the most part, stays in the user's pocket. If Nokia had ever finished the software for the tablets, they would *already* have taken market share from the smartphone market. It makes a lot more sense to tether to a dumb phone (that is usually much smaller and lighter and is easily and cheaply replaced by a newer one) for Internet connectivity and have a device that is more or less open and very software upgradeable than an expensive smartphone that will be quickly outdated and basically not upgradeable. Sure, you may be able to get lots of apps, but you're pretty much stuck with the form factor and shipped OS. Apple is certainly doing well with their ipods -- even though they're not phones. -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N8xx ponderings
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 07:53:28PM -0500, hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 06:42:05PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:28 PM, kenneth marken kemar...@broadpark.no wrote: iirc, when first launched the linux variant was the lowest spec-ed one, and the windows variants both came with rebates that made them as cheap or cheaper then the start out config of the linux one. March 1, 2009 Dell offers Ubuntu-loaded Mini 9 netbook for $199 http://www.cheaplaptops.org.uk/20090301/dell-offer-mini-9-netbook-for-just-199/ And there's trouble with the openness of the video drivers, which may make it difficult to upgrade or use nonUbuntu Linuxes. Or have I mixed this up with another netbook? -- hendrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N8xx ponderings
kenneth marken wrote: Ognen Duzlevski wrote: the only company that has given linux a fair chance in all this is asus, and they have the worst linux distro in use... Luckily, Ubuntu runs on Eee. while true, people will give xandros a spin, find it a nightmare and then return the whole eeepc for the windows version... that is, if they didnt get talked out of buying based on price in the first place by the staff at the local store... I got the bottom end 2G Surf for free, from my bank. The Xandros Linux on it is a bit of a pain and one thing I discovered is it doesn't like to have a space or semi-colon in a WPA key. I investigated installing another distro on it, but found that due to limited hardware resources, it would be very difficult to do. I guess it's OK for kids, which was it's intended market. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Browser Reload Tabs app?
As my N800 locks up sometimes, 2-3 times a day (I've got nothing running on it but the latest OS) is there a proggy that will re-open all my open Browser windows when I reboot the browser - ala Firefox? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
