Re: T9 messaging

2010-02-19 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 20.02.2010, 01:04 +0100 schrieb Alessio Stella:
>how can i use a traditional old style keyboard with about 3 letters
> per button and a T9 active, for typing SMS, in a Nokia N900 (sometimes
> it seems to me faster, i guess above all for short simple messages) ?

Currently you cannot. Also see
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/portrait_mode_input/ .

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T9 messaging

2010-02-19 Thread Alessio Stella

Dear all,
   how can i use a traditional old style keyboard with about 3 letters per 
button and a T9 active, for typing SMS, in a Nokia N900 (sometimes it seems to 
me faster, i guess above all for short simple messages) ?
  
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Re: Dataplan Monitor

2010-02-19 Thread Stephen J Gadsby
- Original message -
> Maybe someone (or me) could suggest an enhancement to the widget to clear the
> data counters on a given cycle...

That idea is covered by enhancement #5823 [1], which you can vote up. 
Additionally, it, and a number of other proposed additions, have been discussed 
previously on talk.maemo.org[1]. You can join that conversation and convert 
more of the ideas there into Bugzilla requests, if you like.

[1] https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5823
[2] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37217
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Re: Where is the user dictonary stored?

2010-02-19 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi,

Dictionary data in Maemo5 is stored in the files
   /home/user/.osso/dictionaries/.personal.dictionary
   /home/user/.osso/dictionaries/.used.dictionary

Am Freitag, den 19.02.2010, 23:25 + schrieb Craig Woodward:
> Is there a way to delete words you don't want from the learned user
> dictionary?

No. See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2247 and feel free to
vote for it (but please avoid "I want this too" comments)...

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Re: Where is the user dictonary stored?

2010-02-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Craig Woodward  wrote:
> After a few days of usage, I noticed that the N900 had learned some of the 
> tech words I've typed in, and is suggesting them more often (based on 
> frequency, I guess).  Now months in, it's starting to do something annoying:  
> It's learned (and is suggesting) typos I've made a couple times as words.
>
> Is there a way to delete words you don't want from the learned user 
> dictionary?  And more importantly, is there a way to prevent it from learning 
> some words (or any words) at some point?  I like the learning process, but it 
> should take 2 or 3 times to learn a word, if for nothing else to keep common 
> typos out of the user dictionary.

Don't know about N900 but on Symbian the "trick" was to type the word
using the correct spelling over and over until it finally preferred
that over the misspelled version. Perhaps that would work in the
meanwhile until you can delete the bad entries.
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Re: Where is the contacts list stored?

2010-02-19 Thread Nelson Ferreira
I would also give a try to SyncEvolution if Mail for Exchange does not
work for you.

I prefer to do tethered sync as I do not wish to go through the red
tape at my work place to enable OWA (nor do they contribute to my cell
bill ...)

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2010/2/19 João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos :
> 2010/2/19 Nelson Ferreira 
>>
>> The contacts are stored in an evolution database (hence the evolution data
>> server mention in some places in maemo.org).
>
> Interesting!
>
>>
>> The databases are at /home/user/.osso-abook/db
>
> Now I just need to learn how to dump this to a file. Just for fun... =)
>
> I searched a bit more and I'll probably use Mail for Exchange application to
> interact with Google Sync.
>
> Thanks, Nelson!
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Where is the user dictonary stored?

2010-02-19 Thread Craig Woodward
After a few days of usage, I noticed that the N900 had learned some of the tech 
words I've typed in, and is suggesting them more often (based on frequency, I 
guess).  Now months in, it's starting to do something annoying:  It's learned 
(and is suggesting) typos I've made a couple times as words.

Is there a way to delete words you don't want from the learned user dictionary? 
 And more importantly, is there a way to prevent it from learning some words 
(or any words) at some point?  I like the learning process, but it should take 
2 or 3 times to learn a word, if for nothing else to keep common typos out of 
the user dictionary.
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Re: Dataplan Monitor

2010-02-19 Thread Hartti Suomela
Sounds like one solution could be to add a billing cycle start date setting
for the widget.
Instead of resetting the whole counters, the widget could store the current
data transfer amounts when the new billing cycle begins and then display
data transferred during this cycle (= current amount - amount in the
beginning of the cycle)
If the widget additionally stores the past billing cycle amounts in a table
(or in gconf?), it is easy to find the past transfer amounts as well.

Hartti

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Craig Woodward wrote:

> Tim beat me to it.  But while on the topic...
> Is there an automated way of resetting this?  I'd love to set it up to
> auto-clear on my billing cycle.  Put a dbus command line call into a crontab
> somewhere?  For most non-prepay people the usage counts are only important
> per-cycle.
>
> Maybe someone (or me) could suggest an enhancement to the widget to clear
> the data counters on a given cycle, and/or store the past few cycles of data
> somewhere so one can see past usage? :)  Would make the widget that much
> more useful!
>
>
>  Tim Ashman  wrote:
>
> =
> On Friday 19 February 2010 02:00:56 pm Alessio Stella wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > how can i reset the values to zero in the Dataplan Monitor??
> >
> > _
> > Scatta, ritocca e condividi le tue foto online. Gratis per te
> > http://www.windowslive.it/foto.aspx
>
> This took me forever to figure out too.
>
> Settings, Phone
>
> Find the Data Counter button, there is a clear option.
>
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Re: Where is the contacts list stored?

2010-02-19 Thread João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos
2010/2/19 Nelson Ferreira 

> The contacts are stored in an evolution database (hence the evolution data
> server mention in some places in maemo.org).
>

Interesting!


> The databases are at /home/user/.osso-abook/db
>

Now I just need to learn how to dump this to a file. Just for fun... =)

I searched a bit more and I'll probably use Mail for Exchange application to
interact with Google Sync.

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Re: backup - disable SIM (GSM)

2010-02-19 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi,

Am Samstag, den 20.02.2010, 00:00 +0100 schrieb Alessio Stella:
> but how to disable GSM without extracting the SIM card under the
> battery??

Press the hardware Power button and choose "Offline Mode".

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Re: Dataplan Monitor

2010-02-19 Thread Craig Woodward
Tim beat me to it.  But while on the topic...
Is there an automated way of resetting this?  I'd love to set it up to 
auto-clear on my billing cycle.  Put a dbus command line call into a crontab 
somewhere?  For most non-prepay people the usage counts are only important 
per-cycle.

Maybe someone (or me) could suggest an enhancement to the widget to clear the 
data counters on a given cycle, and/or store the past few cycles of data 
somewhere so one can see past usage? :)  Would make the widget that much more 
useful!


 Tim Ashman  wrote: 

=
On Friday 19 February 2010 02:00:56 pm Alessio Stella wrote:
> Hi
>
> how can i reset the values to zero in the Dataplan Monitor??
>
> _
> Scatta, ritocca e condividi le tue foto online. Gratis per te
> http://www.windowslive.it/foto.aspx

This took me forever to figure out too.

Settings, Phone

Find the Data Counter button, there is a clear option.

tim

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backup - disable SIM (GSM)

2010-02-19 Thread Alessio Stella

Hi

When i executed (with Nokia PC Suite) the backup i found written : do not use 
or disconnect the phone while backup is in progress!
but i actually received 2 sms while backuping (only received them, didn't read 
them)

i know how to disable gprs/umts/3G connection and how to disable WiFi connection

but how to disable GSM without extracting the SIM card under the battery??


  
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Re: Where is the contacts list stored?

2010-02-19 Thread Nelson Ferreira
Olá João :-)

The contacts are stored in an evolution database (hence the evolution
data server mention in some places in maemo.org).

The databases are at /home/user/.osso-abook/db

This is basically a set of berkdb file storing vcards. Probably better
descriptions are available at the evolution project...

Cumprimentos,

 Nelson

2010/2/19 João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos :
> Hello there!
>
> Is it possible to dump the contacts list to a file? Where is it stored? In a
> database? XML file?
>
> Correct me please if I'm wrong, but it isn't possible yet to sync my
> contacts list with Ovi, so I wanna keep syncing it by my own (for instance,
> saving them in a gmail draft email) to access my contacts even without my
> phone.
>
> Maybe there's already an application that backups my address book, but I
> still want to know where it's stored.
>
> Thanks!!
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Where is the contacts list stored?

2010-02-19 Thread João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos
Hello there!

Is it possible to dump the contacts list to a file? Where is it stored? In a
database? XML file?

Correct me please if I'm wrong, but it isn't possible yet to sync my
contacts list with Ovi, so I wanna keep syncing it by my own (for instance,
saving them in a gmail draft email) to access my contacts even without my
phone.

Maybe there's already an application that backups my address book, but I
still want to know where it's stored.

Thanks!!
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Re: Dataplan Monitor

2010-02-19 Thread Tim Ashman
On Friday 19 February 2010 02:00:56 pm Alessio Stella wrote:
> Hi
>
> how can i reset the values to zero in the Dataplan Monitor??
>
> _
> Scatta, ritocca e condividi le tue foto online. Gratis per te
> http://www.windowslive.it/foto.aspx

This took me forever to figure out too.

Settings, Phone

Find the Data Counter button, there is a clear option.

tim

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Re: Not enough memory

2010-02-19 Thread Craig Woodward

 Eero Tamminen  wrote: 
>It cannot, for several reasons.
>The ... metadata is ... based on ...  space .. which may be block based, 
>unlike UBIFS.

I don't think anyone is going to care if it's off by 5 to 10%, since that's 
already the case.  The existing estimates are usually off for many of the 
reasons you state already, who cares if the breakdown is off a little?

As for the rest, the tools certainly can know where the files are going.  The 
paths are stored in the package, and a simple test-extract will tell you the 
paths and rough size of a file.  A simple pearl script could be setup to tally 
the counts based on the default N900 mounting layout, build a percentage, and 
show how much is root vs opt vs ...

No, you can't show what it will take for a compressed file system, or one 
that's been linked differently.  But even a rough idea for a *standard* N900 
setup would be nice.  If a package moves things or unpacks things during it's 
install, well... that's unavoidable, and again is _already_ not showing up in 
the usage estimate we're getting now.

I think you're just taking this a little too literally.  Nobody is asking for 
exact numbers for all scenarios.  People just want a little more detail on how 
the existing estimate breaks down when it comes to rootfs vs storage.  Nobody 
is expecting it to work to the byte, but for most packages it's going to give a 
pretty good idea of how much space it will take, and make it much clearer which 
packages have been optified vs which ones have not.

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Re: Not enough memory

2010-02-19 Thread Craig Woodward

 Johan Helsingius  wrote: 
>One that, as you yourself point out, can easily be fixed at no cost. All I am 
>saying is that it *should* be fixed.

If I'm reading some of the replies here correctly, it looks like they have done 
some of this in PR1.1.1, so this may be the last time we have this issue?  
Personally, I think it's better to turn off devel and testing before doing an 
update in any case.  One good example for why is that the main package is 
really just a big dependency list of other packages to pull.  If beta versions 
exists in devel and you update with that repository on, it may pull a beta 
package over a stable one, since it's version is "newer".  Not to mention 
namespace conflicts.

I don't think most people having this issue are having it because they have 
repositories just enabled though.  It's usually because they've installed a 
bunch of things from the repositories that are devel-level and eat lots of 
space on the rootfs.  I've only "optified" my themes directory by hand, and 
pulled the optified python package.  Between that and turning off the 
repositories for the update I had well over 70M free on the root, and I have 
plenty of devel/testing software installed. (fMMS, Haze, games, Stelarium, 
pidgin, Joikuspot, several widgits...)

Yes, there at lots of things I think Maemo can fix to help this, and I think 
they are doing it rather quickly (4 releases in 4 months is an aggressive 
release cycle).  Just looking at what the community has done to help others 
update and implementing those changes would be a great start.  Moving themes, 
icons, apt caches, and the like off to /opt space and linking them over could 
be a simple update bundled with the rest of the stuff.  But that's not going to 
fix the world if people keep blindly installing devel apps and not knowing or 
caring if they're optified yet.

We need to get these ideas to Maemo to fix them, but we also have to push to 
educate average users who aren't paying attention to the exiting warning signs. 
 Just complaining that you have to enter commands to move things around isn't 
helping.  Promoting ideas of what to change, how to better warn/educate users, 
pushing solutions in the brainstorm area, and the like are much more productive 
means to that end that complaining about it every month in a user e-mail forum.

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Re: OVI maps with no or minimized 3G download?

2010-02-19 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi,

Am Freitag, den 19.02.2010, 22:48 +0100 schrieb Alessio Stella:
> which is the way to predownload by WiFi the OVI maps of certain
> regions/countries and avoid instead a heavy trafic of data to download
> maps via mobile (3G/UMTS/GPRS..) connection??

See
http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c

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Dataplan Monitor

2010-02-19 Thread Alessio Stella

Hi

how can i reset the values to zero in the Dataplan Monitor??
  
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OVI maps with no or minimized 3G download?

2010-02-19 Thread Alessio Stella

Hello

which is the way to predownload by WiFi the OVI maps of certain 
regions/countries and avoid instead a heavy trafic of data to download maps via 
mobile (3G/UMTS/GPRS..) connection??

i cannot find much settings (like selection of regions, cache size..)
  
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Re: Indications with maps.

2010-02-19 Thread Andrea Grandi
Hi,

2010/2/19 Xabier Rodriguez Calvar :
> Now that Nokia announced that navigation with indications will be free
> forever, I'd like to know if we'll be able to do that with the N900.
> Maybe I missed the info somewhere else, but if somebody can tell me
> something or point me to the info, I'd be pleased.

Nokia is moving all is applications, OS ecc... to be Qt based, so I
really expect a Qt based Ovi Maps application someday.
Even if Harmattan won't be ported to N900, it's users will be able to
use Harmattan applications anyway thanks to official Qt support for
N900 too.

Until now Maemo was only an "experimental" OS, but I think that the
fusion with Moblin that made MeeGo and in particular the fact that
we're all expecting the "final step" from them, all these things will
bring more and more applications to N900 and future N, so I really
think that we'll have this feature too.

n.b: this is just my personal hopinion and it would be nice to have
some confirmation, but I think we'll have to wait some months to
know...

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Re: Indications with maps.

2010-02-19 Thread Kevin T. Neely
That's why I'm hoping for an update to the app in general.  It's the main
blocking factor for me using an N900.  The Symbian version was always free,
but the voice navigation was subscription-based.  That became free about a
month ago.

K

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> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Kevin T. Neely
>  wrote:
> > I think it's pretty safe to assume that at some point in the near future,
> > the Ovi Maps for Maemo will be free.  I suspect the Maps team is very
> busy
> > updating all the Symbian clients and ironing out the bugs in the recent
> > releases.
>
> It's always been free as far as I can tell (it never asked me for
> payment), but it just doesn't do the things the Symbian version does.
> That's the whole problem since the beginning.
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Re: Indications with maps.

2010-02-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Kevin T. Neely
 wrote:
> I think it's pretty safe to assume that at some point in the near future,
> the Ovi Maps for Maemo will be free.  I suspect the Maps team is very busy
> updating all the Symbian clients and ironing out the bugs in the recent
> releases.

It's always been free as far as I can tell (it never asked me for
payment), but it just doesn't do the things the Symbian version does.
That's the whole problem since the beginning.
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Re: Indications with maps.

2010-02-19 Thread Kevin T. Neely
I think it's pretty safe to assume that at some point in the near future,
the Ovi Maps for Maemo will be free.  I suspect the Maps team is very busy
updating all the Symbian clients and ironing out the bugs in the recent
releases.

I was hoping for some Maemo-related announcement during MWC, but so far,
nothing...

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Paul Hartman

> wrote:

> 2010/2/19 Xabier Rodriguez Calvar :
> > Now that Nokia announced that navigation with indications will be free
> > forever, I'd like to know if we'll be able to do that with the N900.
> > Maybe I missed the info somewhere else, but if somebody can tell me
> > something or point me to the info, I'd be pleased.
>
> Not that I know of. We can wait and hope but I don't think anything
> has been promised with regard to N900.
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Re: problem with App manager

2010-02-19 Thread daniel young
had to create another directory called /var/lib/apt/lists/partial but it
works now.  thanks.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Gunter Ohrner  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> daniel young wrote:
> >  # cd /var/lib/apt && ls -la
> > drwxr-xr-x3 root root  304 Jan 31 13:45 .
> > drwxr-xr-x   29 root root 2064 Jan 20 23:55 ..
> > -rw-r--r--1 root root 8610 Jan 30 02:22
> > extended_states
> > drwxr-xr-x2 root root  160 Sep 22 03:22 periodic
> > i have 91 percent of the rootfs drive taken up.  last time i posted
> > this that is what somebody though but i have room
>
> My apt directory contains an additional "lists" directory containing
> package index lists for all configured repositories.
>
> Maybe you could create it ("mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/"), run "apt-get
> update", "aptitude update" or whatever Maemos command for updating the
> package lists from the repositories may be and see if that helps?
>
> Greetings,
>
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Re: n900 - buy or wait?

2010-02-19 Thread Valentin Chopov
I believe in Canada Rogers/Fido use the same frequencies as AT&T in the US.
It's sad that Nokia didn't make a n900 version for this market ...

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Paul Hartman
 wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Bernard Tyers  
> wrote:
>>
>> - Original message -
>>
>>>
>>> Well, I bought my N900 even though it does not work on AT&T's 3G network.
>>
>> Can you explain why it doesn't work qith AT&T's 3G network? To a mobile 
>> network guy that sounds very strange!
>
> AT&T and most other cellular operators in North and South America use
> 3G frequencies the N900 does not support, and many do not use GSM at
> all.
>
> Of the 5 major cellular operators in the USA (AT&T Mobility, Verizon,
> Sprint, T-Mobile, U.S. Cellular) the N900 only works fully with 3G on
> T-Mobile, only 2G with AT&T Mobility, and does not work at all with
> Verizon, Sprint or U.S. Cellular as they do not use GSM.
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Re: no voice-assisted navigation on any maemo device?

2010-02-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Johan Helsingius  wrote:
> As the snow is finally disappearing, motorcycle season is
> about to start again - and one of the reasons I originally
> upgraded my 770 to an 810 and then 900 was to get GPS
> navigation without having to resort to a separate satnav
> or phone. And on a motorcycle, you need voice instructions,
> as you can't keep staring at a screen.

I don't think you actually asked a question, but Sygic voice-guided
navigation for N900 is coming "soon" in case you didn't know. Google
it for demonstration videos and other info.
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Re: Indications with maps.

2010-02-19 Thread Paul Hartman
2010/2/19 Xabier Rodriguez Calvar :
> Now that Nokia announced that navigation with indications will be free
> forever, I'd like to know if we'll be able to do that with the N900.
> Maybe I missed the info somewhere else, but if somebody can tell me
> something or point me to the info, I'd be pleased.

Not that I know of. We can wait and hope but I don't think anything
has been promised with regard to N900.
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Re: n900 - buy or wait?

2010-02-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Bernard Tyers  
wrote:
>
> - Original message -
>
>>
>> Well, I bought my N900 even though it does not work on AT&T's 3G network.
>
> Can you explain why it doesn't work qith AT&T's 3G network? To a mobile 
> network guy that sounds very strange!

AT&T and most other cellular operators in North and South America use
3G frequencies the N900 does not support, and many do not use GSM at
all.

Of the 5 major cellular operators in the USA (AT&T Mobility, Verizon,
Sprint, T-Mobile, U.S. Cellular) the N900 only works fully with 3G on
T-Mobile, only 2G with AT&T Mobility, and does not work at all with
Verizon, Sprint or U.S. Cellular as they do not use GSM.
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Re: n900 - buy or wait?

2010-02-19 Thread Alejandro López


Bernard Tyers wrote:
> - Original message -
> 
>> Well, I bought my N900 even though it does not work on AT&T's 3G network.
> 
> Can you explain why it doesn't work qith AT&T's 3G network? To a mobile 
> network guy that sounds very strange!

It's a known problem. AT&T's 3G network uses a band (1900 MHz) not supported by 
the N900 (900/1700/2100 MHz).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System#Spectrum_allocation
 for more info.
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PC Connectivity on Karmic Koala 64bit

2010-02-19 Thread Maurizio Napolitano
I readed this guide
http://wiki.maemo.org/Install_PC_Connectivity_on_a_64_bit_host
but i think is "out of date"

In the repository of pc connectivity there is the package for Intrepid 32bit
The guide on the wiki speak about the version 0.6 of host-pc-connectivity
but on the repository there is the 0.9.

If i try to install this version like the explation on the Step 3 i
obtain a error with the version of sbrsh

If i force the installation with dpkg --ignore-deps ... the system
still not working.

Any suggestion?

Thanks!
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Re: Indications with maps.

2010-02-19 Thread Bernard Tyers

- Original message -
> Now that Nokia announced that navigation with indications will be free
> forever, I'd like to know if we'll be able to do that with the N900.
> Maybe I missed the info somewhere else, but if somebody can tell me
> something or point me to the info, I'd be pleased.

Hola Xavi,

As I understand it, the current version of Ovi Maps for Maemo (1.0) is not at 
the same release level (featurewise) as Ovi Maps for Symbian (Maps v 3.0).

We'll have to wait to see if the release Maps for Maemo with the same basic, 
required features as Maps for Symbian has.

Un saludo,
Bernard
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Re: n900 - buy or wait?

2010-02-19 Thread Bernard Tyers

- Original message -

>
> Well, I bought my N900 even though it does not work on AT&T's 3G network.

Can you explain why it doesn't work qith AT&T's 3G network? To a mobile network 
guy that sounds very strange!

Thanks.

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Indications with maps.

2010-02-19 Thread Xabier Rodriguez Calvar
Now that Nokia announced that navigation with indications will be free
forever, I'd like to know if we'll be able to do that with the N900.
Maybe I missed the info somewhere else, but if somebody can tell me
something or point me to the info, I'd be pleased.

Thanks!



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Re: Not enough memory

2010-02-19 Thread Marius Vollmer
"Tamminen Eero (Nokia-D/Helsinki)"  writes:

> AFAIK:
>
> * Application manager doesn't have caches on rootfs, but on
>the 2GB partition.
>
> * However, if you use apt _directly_, you need to tell it to
>use 2GB partition for its caching like application manager does.

There are a number of caches involved, and I don't know the latest
information about where they are unfortunately.  Some of them got moved
around recently, I think.

The caches are:

   /var/lib/apt/lists/ - Packages and Release files from the repos.
   /var/cache/apt/ - 'compiled' binary representation of above
   /var/cache/apt/archives - downloaded packages

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RE: Not enough memory

2010-02-19 Thread Aldon Hynes
I did something similar below, and it worked a little bit, but I eventally
ran out of room again.

What I ended up doing was

mkdir /opt/cache
mkdir /opt/lib
cd /var/cache
mv apt /opt/cache
ln -s /opt/cache/apt apt
cd /var/lib
mv apt /opt/lib
ln -s /opt/lib/apt apt
mv dpkg /opt/dpkg
ln -s /opt/lib/dpkg dpkg

At present /opt/cache/apt is 10 Meg, /opt/lib/apt is 18, meg and
/opt/lib/dpkg is 28 Meg

With 56 Meg moved out of rootfs, I now have 30 Meg to spare in my rootfs

Aldon

-Original Message-
From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org
[mailto:maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org]on Behalf Of Kimmo Hämäläinen
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 6:23 AM
To: Tamminen Eero (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org
Subject: Re: Not enough memory


On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 11:02 +0100, Tamminen Eero (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> ext Jason wrote:
> > On a more technical, get-it-done approach, my problem with OOM was
> > too much crap in /var/cache/apt/archive/ .  There are two ways to
> > handle this in a more user friendly manner.  Instead of the OOM
> > error message, offer to run 'apt-get clean', and/or symlink
> > /var/cache/apt out to /home/.var.cache.apt .  Which I just tried,
> > and seems to wfm.
> >
> > $ sudo gainroot
> > # cd /var/cache/
> > # mv apt /home/.var.cache.apt
> > # ln -sf ../../home/.var.cache.apt apt
>
> AFAIK:
>
> * Application manager doesn't have caches on rootfs, but on
>the 2GB partition.

Apparently it still has them on rootfs, see the internal bug 144371. I
don't see it necessary to keep these caches on rootfs since the .deb
cache is not mandatory and the rest (.bin files) can be regenerated
anytime.

-Kimmo


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RE: n900 - buy or wait?

2010-02-19 Thread Aldon Hynes
- Original message -
>> Guys, thanks for the input. I see you all like your n900.
>> I have an issue which is stopping me to buy it right away.
>> Here in Vancouver, Canada, n900's 3G is not going to work with any of
>> the GSM providers here.
>
>
>Well if you'd told us that earlier..we could have saved ourselves all that
hassle :)
>
>But you do know the N900 can also run on GSM/GPRS? Albeit slower.
>
>But from a practical POV, it is a very valid point (its a pity all the
iphone users in 3g areas didn't think of that before >buying 2g phones :) )

Well, I bought my N900 even though it does not work on AT&T's 3G network.  I
do run a little data over the AT&T network, but almost none, since most of
the time, I'm in range of an open WiFi network.  For that matter, I am using
a minimal dataplan for AT&T since I do so little data over their network.

Aldon

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RE: [OT] Worry about Bada?

2010-02-19 Thread Aldon Hynes
I hear that it works really well with Microsoft's search engine


Bada...Bing


Aldon
  -Original Message-
  From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org
[mailto:maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org]on Behalf Of Cláudio Sampaio
  Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:18 PM
  To: maemo-users@maemo.org
  Subject: [OT] Worry about Bada?


  Just got notice of yet another linux-based mobile operating system,
Samsung's Bada:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJKHU_bh_eQ
  http://www.bada.com/badadevices/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/samsung-wave-first-hands-on-bada-packed-a
nd-super-fast/

  Are you worried yet? :P

  Sorry. Couldn't resist.

  Best regards,

  Cláudio

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Re: n900 - buy or wait?

2010-02-19 Thread Bernard Tyers

- Original message -
> Guys, thanks for the input. I see you all like your n900.
> I have an issue which is stopping me to buy it right away.
> Here in Vancouver, Canada, n900's 3G is not going to work with any of
> the GSM providers here.


Well if you'd told us that earlier..we could have saved ourselves all that 
hassle :)

But you do know the N900 can also run on GSM/GPRS? Albeit slower.

But from a practical POV, it is a very valid point (its a pity all the iphone 
users in 3g areas didn't think of that before buying 2g phones :) )
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Re: n900 - buy or wait?

2010-02-19 Thread Bernard Tyers

- Original message -
> die 18/02/10, ad 21h15, Bernard Tyers  dixit :
> > * If you want a device that can integrate all your IM services into your
> > addressbook *perfectly* - buy it.
>
> Whaoo, do you mean it has an efficient PIM? 

No, I mean what I said. It integrates IM services into your addressbook 
perfectly.

The PIM isn't the best, but it's not the worst I have ever seen. I'd give it 
7/10 for that.

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Re: Not enough memory

2010-02-19 Thread Kimmo Hämäläinen
On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 11:02 +0100, Tamminen Eero (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> ext Jason wrote:
> > On a more technical, get-it-done approach, my problem with OOM was
> > too much crap in /var/cache/apt/archive/ .  There are two ways to
> > handle this in a more user friendly manner.  Instead of the OOM
> > error message, offer to run 'apt-get clean', and/or symlink
> > /var/cache/apt out to /home/.var.cache.apt .  Which I just tried,
> > and seems to wfm.
> > 
> > $ sudo gainroot
> > # cd /var/cache/
> > # mv apt /home/.var.cache.apt
> > # ln -sf ../../home/.var.cache.apt apt
> 
> AFAIK:
> 
> * Application manager doesn't have caches on rootfs, but on
>the 2GB partition.

Apparently it still has them on rootfs, see the internal bug 144371. I
don't see it necessary to keep these caches on rootfs since the .deb
cache is not mandatory and the rest (.bin files) can be regenerated
anytime.

-Kimmo


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Re: Not enough memory

2010-02-19 Thread Eero Tamminen

Hi,

ext David Greaves wrote:

ext Jan Knutar wrote:

Another nice feature would be if the application manager, or a web
interface somewhere, could tell you beforehand how much space an app
consumes on /...


It cannot, for several reasons.

The size for the package included to the binary package metadata
is determined by the Debian tools based on the space how much these
files take on the build file system which may be block based,
unlike UBIFS.  And more importantly, these tools don't or even
cannot take into account:
1. Where the files go, root or /home i.e. how much space package
   will take from which file system.
2. If it goes to a compressed file system (like root), what is
   the compressed size.  The compression level used when mounting
   the partition affects this too (which can be changed by root
   user).
3. Which of the installed files will be removed by apt-hooks on
   the device (e.g. docs...).  User can install also his own hooks.
4. Will the package itself do something that affects the space, like:
   - moving files from one partition to another
   - adding / generating new files
   - removing files

Even larger issue is with updates.  When updating a file that is
in use, file system cannot get rid of the old version of the file
until all of its users close the old file (which happens e.g. at
reboot).   And if the release image was compressed with different
compression level than what is used at run-time (may be lower for
performance reasons), even copying the same file in place may increase
disk usage.  Application manager doesn't have any reasonable way to
find out about this (and the comments above apply also to this
space).



That too would be useful.


Not as much as if the app manager didn't takes >10Mb of space for repo indexes


The files are fairly repeatable ASCII.  Rootfs compresses them pretty
well, you should check the lzo compressed size.


- Eero

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Re: Not enough memory

2010-02-19 Thread Eero Tamminen

Hi,

ext Jason wrote:

On a more technical, get-it-done approach, my problem with OOM was
too much crap in /var/cache/apt/archive/ .  There are two ways to
handle this in a more user friendly manner.  Instead of the OOM
error message, offer to run 'apt-get clean', and/or symlink
/var/cache/apt out to /home/.var.cache.apt .  Which I just tried,
and seems to wfm.

$ sudo gainroot
# cd /var/cache/
# mv apt /home/.var.cache.apt
# ln -sf ../../home/.var.cache.apt apt


AFAIK:

* Application manager doesn't have caches on rootfs, but on
  the 2GB partition.

* However, if you use apt _directly_, you need to tell it to
  use 2GB partition for its caching like application manager does.

Marius can maybe confirm this.


- Eero
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Re: Memory Error using mircob

2010-02-19 Thread Eero Tamminen

Hi,

ext Edward Johns wrote:

Whenever I try to edit or add a bookmark in microb I get an error saying:

"Operation temporarily disabled due to low memory"

All I have to do is open the browser and try to edit an existing
bookmark; it fails even when it's the first thing I do after a reboot.
Immediately after reboot top shows I have around 315K free, after
starting the browser I have around 167K free.


If you press "M" in top so that it sorts by memory usage,
what it shows as using most memory?



My disk usage looks like this:

/: 42M free
/home:1.7G free
/home/user/MyDocs:26.4G

I guess root is looking a bit full (84%) but I wouldn't of said that
was too serious (or a likely cause?)


I guess the message is about RAM usage as partitions have enough space.



Before I start uninstalling stuff does anybody have any bright ideas?
Does anybody have bookmarks working under a similar kind of resource usage?
Is it possible to get microB to give me any log files?



- Eero
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no voice-assisted navigation on any maemo device?

2010-02-19 Thread Johan Helsingius
As the snow is finally disappearing, motorcycle season is
about to start again - and one of the reasons I originally
upgraded my 770 to an 810 and then 900 was to get GPS
navigation without having to resort to a separate satnav
or phone. And on a motorcycle, you need voice instructions,
as you can't keep staring at a screen.

Well, the ovi maps app on maemo 5 is useless - no
real-time routing, no voice, and that horrible forced
forward-up, north-is-wherever orientation.

OK, while waiting for a real satnav app for maemo5
(or maemo6, or meetoo or whatever), I thought I could
at least use the 810 with the commercial map (wayfinder)
app, that actually does most of what I want, but is
closed source and requires an expensive license. Ah,
no, doesn't any more - wayfinder has been sold to
Vodafone, and the internet tablet version has been
discontinued. So no way to reactivate routing. Duh.

Oh, and the other big reason to use a maemo device
was CarMan for the OBDII stuff - seems that app
isn't ported to maemo 5 either... :(

Julf
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Re: Not enough memory

2010-02-19 Thread Johan Helsingius
Craig,

> Again, from my understanding, the flash memory is split up
> because it's slightly different hardware wise.  The first
> chunk is a higher class meaning it has faster access, while
> the larger chunk is slower.  If that's true, it makes sense
> that it was partitioned out this way.

You might be right about the hardware, and in that case, yes,
it would make sense to put the frequently-used files on a
smaller piece of faster but more expensive memory. But the
application manager / apt is not a frequently used application.
I do not care if checking for new updates takes 10 or 20 s. So
if you are right, the original partitioning decisions are even
worse than I thought - wasting precious fast memory on stuff
that definitely doesn't need the speed.

> I take no exception to saying it's a poor design choice
> (IN YOUR OPINION) that they didn't go with a device with
> full class 6 flash

I am not talking about hardware design, but a very simple
software/set-up choice. One that, as you yourself point
out, can easily be fixed at no cost. All I am saying is
that it *should* be fixed.

Julf
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Re: n900 - buy or wait?

2010-02-19 Thread Gunter Ohrner
Valentin Chopov wrote:
> And since the 3G capabilities generate  a significant chunk of the
> n900 price, (...)

Mh, are you sure? I somehow doubt that...

Greetings,

  Gunter

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Re: How to troubleshoot: "Unable to perform operation. Internal error." when merging a contact?

2010-02-19 Thread Nelson Ferreira
Addind more information below...

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 22:29, Nelson Ferreira  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Not sure if this is the proper forum, but I have a contact that when I
> try to do a merge, so that I eliminate a duplicate I get the message:
> "Unable to perform operation. Internal error."
>
> Unfortunately, because I have IM fields on the contact I am not
> willing to delete the contact because that would _remove_ that contact
> from the IM servers. That leaves me in a pickle, since I have no clear
> information of _what_ exactly failed...
>
> Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue ?
>

So I installed EBook editor and it turns out that any edit I make to
this contact vcard is not saved AND I cannot delete it.

I looked at the libosso-abook API and there are some calls to check if
a contact is blocked or blockable but no API either to block or
unblock:
http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/OssoABookContact.html#osso-abook-contact-get-blocked

Does this blocked mean the contact cannot be deleted ? Note that in
the API I could not find the meaning of blocked. Could the failure of
EBook to delete the contact be that the contact became somehow
blocked? If so how to unblock it ?
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Re: problem with App manager

2010-02-19 Thread Gunter Ohrner
Hi!

daniel young wrote:
>  # cd /var/lib/apt && ls -la
> drwxr-xr-x3 root root  304 Jan 31 13:45 .
> drwxr-xr-x   29 root root 2064 Jan 20 23:55 ..
> -rw-r--r--1 root root 8610 Jan 30 02:22
> extended_states
> drwxr-xr-x2 root root  160 Sep 22 03:22 periodic
> i have 91 percent of the rootfs drive taken up.  last time i posted
> this that is what somebody though but i have room

My apt directory contains an additional "lists" directory containing 
package index lists for all configured repositories.

Maybe you could create it ("mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/"), run "apt-get 
update", "aptitude update" or whatever Maemos command for updating the 
package lists from the repositories may be and see if that helps?

Greetings,

  Gunter

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