Re: Help with Maemo Virtual Image Install Documentation
Jarmo, Thanks for the constructive reply. My further comments in-line, with lots of extraneous stuff deleted. Geoff jarmo.ti...@nokia.com wrote: > Hi, > > And thanks a lot about Maemo SDK Virtual Image feedback. I added also another > mailing list into this response (people constructing our images read more > that list). > > Some comments below. > > >> in a virtualbox, but man it was FRUSTRATING. > > Great that you actually explained below why you were frustrated :) so that we > can comment and even fix issues. > That was the exact point. It DID work, but I spent a couple of hours trying various combinations of stuff, including creating virtuals in VirtualBox because what I was trying did not work (This, despite the fact that the documentation strongly implied that I did not have to do that. It was correct, but I was doing the wrong things. >> >> >> I downloaded >> Maemo_PreFinal_2_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Spli > tted.zip.001 >> and ...002. (And then I then had to find, build and install 7zip.) >> >> I ran 7za x Maemo.001 and it ran. I tried to do the same >> for ...002 and got a 'Not an archive' error. I had no idea if >> 7za dealt with both files serially, or if the file was corrupt. >> >> A little explanation in the documentation would be helpful. >> How about telling us what the proper result will be? >> >> "7Za will serially extract the split numbered zip files, and report: >> 'Everything is Ok >> >> Files: 5 >> Size: 8453907228 >> Compressed: 1572864000'" > > We have a problem that most standard compression tools have restriction about > 2GB max file size. Compression tools I know which are commonly available and > cabable of handling > 2GB archives are 7-Zip and WinZip. Because 7-Zip is > free and available also for Linux we decided to use it for compression. 7-Zip > is cabable of creating compatible zip format with other tools (like WinZip) > but splitted archives are not compatible. > > Why we then use splited archives :). Well our download page for image > distribution archive files has been implemented with PHP and PHP seems to > have that same max file size limit. Actually PHP limit sems to be for some > odd reason smaller than 2 GB. I thought that that might be the reason for splitting the files. I didn't particularly mind finding and installing 7zip. What bothered me was that I had no idea of what the process was, or what the result *should* be. And you already know that, so you could have told me! >> Then we run the installer script, which is a fun guessing >> game. It asks for information without the slightest hint as to >> the expected response and uses misleading names for the >> information. HOW ABOUT A HINT? >> "Location of VirtualBox binaries (normally /usr/bin)?" >> >> Then it asks for "The name of your VirtualBox Image." Off the >> bat, I thought that was the name of the image file. But what >> is wanted is not actually the name of the file, but a name >> under which your virtual instance will appear in the Manager. >> It has nothing to do with the name of the vdmk file. A short >> alias is what is wanted. Of course, I inserted the name of the >> file: maemosdk_desktop_intrepid-10-08.vmdk. Since I had >> already manually created a virtual instance, I now had 3 >> instances (including the pre-existing WinXP), one of which had >> an unreadable name, due to its length. >> How about: >> >> "Please provide a (short) name for this virtual instance. This >> name will appear in the list of virtual instances in the >> VirtualBox Manager (Maemosdk-2)" >> >> Finally, it asks for the "location" of the VirtualBox image. >> But what it wants is not actually the location of the image. >> Generally a 'location' >> for a file is the folder 'where' it is. The script actually >> wants the 'what' of the file: the fully qualified pathname of >> the image file. That >> is: /tmp/downloads/maemosdk_desktop_intrepid-10-08.vmdk or whatever. >> >> So how about: >> "Please provide the full pathname of the vmdk file >> (/tmp/downloads/maemo-xxx.vmdk)" >> >> Of course, what is NOT discussed, is that this script will >> create the virtual hard-drive instance *out of the vmdk* and >> exactly where the vmdk presently resides. Yes, of course I >> wanted to create a virtual in my /tmp/downloads folder. >> Although a different place would be better. >> >> I had to parse the script, and read 'VBoxManage --help' to >> understand what the script was trying to do. Once I got past >> being misdirected, I was able to install. Only took me about 2 >> hours, not including download time.. >> >> > > These are just usability problems with our instalaltion script. I think we > can fix all these issues for our final image. > > Raul can you confirm that we really can fix these? > > We have not had so much time for usability and instalaltion issues as we have > concentrated on functionality. > > For the final version we can check
Help with Maemo Virtual Image Install Documentation
Well I finally got the Maemo SDK Virtual Image installed. A very frustrating experience, having been mislead repeatedly by the documentation and the install script. More by errors of omission. Everything actually DID work, and I now have Ubuntu installed in a virtualbox, but man it was FRUSTRATING. I downloaded Maemo_PreFinal_2_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Splitted.zip.001 and ...002. (And then I then had to find, build and install 7zip.) I ran 7za x Maemo.001 and it ran. I tried to do the same for ...002 and got a 'Not an archive' error. I had no idea if 7za dealt with both files serially, or if the file was corrupt. A little explanation in the documentation would be helpful. How about telling us what the proper result will be? "7Za will serially extract the split numbered zip files, and report: 'Everything is Ok Files: 5 Size: 8453907228 Compressed: 1572864000'" Then we run the installer script, which is a fun guessing game. It asks for information without the slightest hint as to the expected response and uses misleading names for the information. HOW ABOUT A HINT? "Location of VirtualBox binaries (normally /usr/bin)?" Then it asks for "The name of your VirtualBox Image." Off the bat, I thought that was the name of the image file. But what is wanted is not actually the name of the file, but a name under which your virtual instance will appear in the Manager. It has nothing to do with the name of the vdmk file. A short alias is what is wanted. Of course, I inserted the name of the file: maemosdk_desktop_intrepid-10-08.vmdk. Since I had already manually created a virtual instance, I now had 3 instances (including the pre-existing WinXP), one of which had an unreadable name, due to its length. How about: "Please provide a (short) name for this virtual instance. This name will appear in the list of virtual instances in the VirtualBox Manager (Maemosdk-2)" Finally, it asks for the "location" of the VirtualBox image. But what it wants is not actually the location of the image. Generally a 'location' for a file is the folder 'where' it is. The script actually wants the 'what' of the file: the fully qualified pathname of the image file. That is: /tmp/downloads/maemosdk_desktop_intrepid-10-08.vmdk or whatever. So how about: "Please provide the full pathname of the vmdk file (/tmp/downloads/maemo-xxx.vmdk)" Of course, what is NOT discussed, is that this script will create the virtual hard-drive instance *out of the vmdk* and exactly where the vmdk presently resides. Yes, of course I wanted to create a virtual in my /tmp/downloads folder. Although a different place would be better. I had to parse the script, and read 'VBoxManage --help' to understand what the script was trying to do. Once I got past being misdirected, I was able to install. Only took me about 2 hours, not including download time.. Now that I do have it installed, I must congratulate those who put this together. Despite my frustrations at the installer, it probably took less time than I expended each time, when I tried to install scratchbox versions 1 or 2. I strongly suspect that the script was run up in short order by someone who knew *exactly* what he wanted, and therefor could not see the forest for the trees. Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: "Be regular. Eat cron flakes." ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
SQLite3 driving me nuts! Sqlite incapable
Does anyone know of a repositary which actually has all of the bits for sqlite3? N810 with diablo latest. The gronmayer site has the following: at reposiary.amemo.org diablo/sdk free site, libsqlite3-0 (v. 3.4.1-1osso3) libsqlite3-dev (v. 3.4.1-1osso3) *BUT NO SQLITE3* st debfarm chinook user libsqlite3-dev (v. 3.4.2-2) libsqlite3-tcl (v. 3.4.2-2) sqlite3 (v. 3.4.2-2) sqlite3-doc (v. 3.4.2-2) *BUT NO LIBSQLITE3-0* With debfarm enabled, the app manager sees the sqlite3-3.4.2-2 version but chokes on using the osso version of libsqlite3 Does anyone have a source for a libsqlite3-0 osso package? A quick google reveals a thread last January on internettablettalk which implies that such a library existed back then http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15583 Meanwhile posted logs at garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo have lines like: Get:5 http://osso.stage.dmz diablo/sdk/free libsqlite3-0 3.4.1-1osso3 [208kB] There is no site osso.stage.dmz and I have no idea what this could refer to. Anyone? ** Meanwhile, I can and have sqlite (version 2) installed on my N810, but of course, the database I want to use (created on my laptop) is in the incompatible version 3 format. And of course, sqlite version 2 does NOT have the .import FILE TABLE command which would allow me to export-transfer-import the data tables. And I do not want to revert to a long session with sed to create a file which I can use with .read file. Geoff -- Please let me know if anything I say offends you. I may wish to offend you again in the future. Tux says: "Be regular. Eat cron flakes." ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Mark wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Christoph Eckert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >>> Sorry, I completely missed that issue. To my knowledge, Maemo Mapper >>> can't import map databases from other programs, it can only download >>> new sets of tiles from the repositories you set up. >> AFAIK it stores the tiles in a sqlite3 database file. So if you find a way to >> feed your tiles into this database file, MM could be capable to display them. >> I wonder if it was worth the efforts, though. >> >> Cheers, >> >> ce >> ___ > > One would have to know exactly how the information is stored in the > database in order to be successful in importing the data in that way. > I would be very surprised if it's worthwhile. > > Maemo Mapper is so slick about downloading tiles that I don't think > it's even worth investigating. It is if you are attempting to import tiles created from map files which are far too large for even a desktop to handle easily. I have for example a tif file which is 55Megand gets tiled into 68 1280x1024 pixel images. And it supposedly can be done with gpsdriver. I just don't know how. And once I figure out how, on my laptop, I guess I will have to compile mapnik and gpsdriver for Diablo... Geoff ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Mark wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:05 PM, R. G. Newbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> It does not appear that Maemo Mapper can import the map tiles. Or can it... >> >> G. >> > > Sorry, I completely missed that issue. To my knowledge, Maemo Mapper > can't import map databases from other programs, it can only download > new sets of tiles from the repositories you set up. The implication of the comments in the gpsdrive documentation and in other places is that you can import sets of tiled files...but I have not been able to do it on my laptop. Yet. Still working on niggling issues such as missing files in mapnik etc.etc. G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Mark wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:11 PM, R. G. Newbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Joshua Layne wrote: >>> Roadmap uses gpsd, so provided you can get gpsd running against your usb >>> GPS, yes. >>> >>> gpsd.berlios.de has pretty reasonable documentation, but if you run into >>> issues, ask here and we can try to walk you through it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Josh >>> >>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:17:54 -0400, tj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Can these use a usb gps, specifically a DeLorme Earthmate GPS? >>>> >>>> tj >>>> >>>> Mark wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM, R. G. Newbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> Subject line says it all. Is there available port of gpsdrive for >>>>>> Chinook or Diablo? >>>>>> >>>>>> The site for an OS2006 version is now '404' >>>>>> >>>>>> G. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I suggest you try RoadMap. It's pretty similar in functionality. You >>>>> can find it here: >>>>> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/roadmap/ >>>>> >>>>> There are a few other GPS/Mapping applications here: >>>>> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/travel/ >> Roadmap is limited in the maps it uses (and the interface for installing >> maps is.weird..) >> >> gpsdrive will import tiled slices of map images as georeferenced png or >> tif files. >> >> Which is why it is useful. If I could get it built! Even on Fedora... >> >> G. > > If you like tiled bitmaps, Maemo Mapper is outstanding with its ease > of use and the number of different map sources available. > > I personally prefer vector maps. > > One consideration is that there is little chance that bitmap-based > programs will ever be able to do native routing. You have to go online > and download directions from another source. Vector maps lend > themselves to that much more readily. > > Bitmap-based programs are "pretty" - the satellite map option is > particularly cool - but at the expense of sever major features. > It does not appear that Maemo Mapper can import the map tiles. Or can it... G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Luca Olivetti wrote: > En/na R. G. Newbury ha escrit: > >> gpsdrive will import tiled slices of map images as georeferenced png or >> tif files. > > You can try maemo mapper > I don't think it will import the maps properly. It may display them, but gspdrive (according to the documentation) can make use of the map_coord_draft.txt produced by gdal_slice and build a database. I don't think maemo mapper can do that. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Annoying Change in App Manager
R. G. Newbury wrote: > Jac Kersing wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, R. G. Newbury wrote: >> >>> I opened the App Manager and then 'Browse for Installable Applications'. >>> I don't know if I did it or the machine just decided it wanted to, but >>> the divider between the name(s) of the file(s) and the version jumped to >>> the left so that I can now only see 4 characters of the file name. >> >> This is probably caused by one or more packages with very long version >> strings. >> >>> The divider will not drag back to the right. >>> I presume that this is a variable somewhere in the structure. Anyone >>> know where or how to fix this? >> >> Try to browse subsets of the available applications (don't choose >> 'all' but the individual catagories one by one) Not a real fix, but a >> work-around allowing to at least browse the majority of the applications. >> > > Thanks. Of course. The offending package is: > > > faad version: 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo1 > > > Wonder if that comes with fries? > It comes with libfaad2-devel which has the same version. And the layout does NOT reset. I installed both, and re-started App-Manager. No joy. So maybe I shall try Diablo. Although it seemed to mess up the internal gps Anyone else noticed that? Geoff ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Joshua Layne wrote: > Roadmap uses gpsd, so provided you can get gpsd running against your usb > GPS, yes. > > gpsd.berlios.de has pretty reasonable documentation, but if you run into > issues, ask here and we can try to walk you through it. > > Regards, > Josh > > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:17:54 -0400, tj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Can these use a usb gps, specifically a DeLorme Earthmate GPS? >> >> tj >> >> Mark wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:48 PM, R. G. Newbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>>> Subject line says it all. Is there available port of gpsdrive for >>>> Chinook or Diablo? >>>> >>>> The site for an OS2006 version is now '404' >>>> >>>> G. >>>> >>>> >>> I suggest you try RoadMap. It's pretty similar in functionality. You >>> can find it here: >>> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/roadmap/ >>> >>> There are a few other GPS/Mapping applications here: >>> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/travel/ > Roadmap is limited in the maps it uses (and the interface for installing maps is.weird..) gpsdrive will import tiled slices of map images as georeferenced png or tif files. Which is why it is useful. If I could get it built! Even on Fedora... G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Annoying Change in App Manager
Jac Kersing wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, R. G. Newbury wrote: > >> I opened the App Manager and then 'Browse for Installable Applications'. >> I don't know if I did it or the machine just decided it wanted to, but >> the divider between the name(s) of the file(s) and the version jumped to >> the left so that I can now only see 4 characters of the file name. > > This is probably caused by one or more packages with very long version > strings. > >> The divider will not drag back to the right. >> I presume that this is a variable somewhere in the structure. Anyone >> know where or how to fix this? > > Try to browse subsets of the available applications (don't choose 'all' > but the individual catagories one by one) Not a real fix, but a > work-around allowing to at least browse the majority of the applications. > Thanks. Of course. The offending package is: faad version: 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo1 Wonder if that comes with fries? Geoff ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Chinook or Diablo port of gpsdrive?
Subject line says it all. Is there available port of gpsdrive for Chinook or Diablo? The site for an OS2006 version is now '404' G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Annoying Change in App Manager
N810 with Chinook. I opened the App Manager and then 'Browse for Installable Applications'. I don't know if I did it or the machine just decided it wanted to, but the divider between the name(s) of the file(s) and the version jumped to the left so that I can now only see 4 characters of the file name. The divider will not drag back to the right. I presume that this is a variable somewhere in the structure. Anyone know where or how to fix this? G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Removing excess packages after Diablo upgrade
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:38 AM, R. G. Newbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> I was browsing the 'Installed Applications' list. There are numerous >> packages which I would like to remove, starting with the language packs >> for ezitext. >> >> These along with many other packages (chinese-font, clink-av0, gnuchess >> for example) are listed as dependencies/requirements of 'OS2008 feature >> upgrade 1:4.2008.23-14'. >> >> Is there any way to remove this sort of restriction? (Unpack, revise and >> repack the .deb for example.?) >> >> There are megabytes of programs which I do not need nor want, and would >> like to remove. >> >> Geoff Denis Dimick wrote: > The best way would be by deleting them by hand. Using apt-get remove > could/will cause packages to be deleted that you do not want deleted. > > Denis Except that most of the packages actually have file names which do not match the AppManager name. And large numbers of them are library files, I suspect (language packages for example). So manual removal is possible but limited. Geoff ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Removing excess packages after Diablo upgrade
I was browsing the 'Installed Applications' list. There are numerous packages which I would like to remove, starting with the language packs for ezitext. These along with many other packages (chinese-font, clink-av0, gnuchess for example) are listed as dependencies/requirements of 'OS2008 feature upgrade 1:4.2008.23-14'. Is there any way to remove this sort of restriction? (Unpack, revise and repack the .deb for example.?) There are megabytes of programs which I do not need nor want, and would like to remove. Geoff ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Missing GPS after Diablo upgrade
I seem to have lost my GPS since I upgraded to Diablo. Although /dev/pgps exists, /dev/pts/2 does not. I have tried by using the Control Panel and GPS location. It never gets beyond 'searching'an hour should do!.. I have tried by launching gpsdriver. I have tried by launching map. I removed and re-installed map. Same result. Previously, one could start the gpsd daemon by executing /usr/libexec/navicore-gpsd-helper in a terminal. This started gpsd and you could see the NMEA output sentences. Now executing that returns only " ptty name: /dev/pts/2" and ...nothing else. I have paired and tried my external bluetooth gps. It sticks at 'Searching' too, although I have found in the past that it is reasonably faster than the internal unit in getting a fix. Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone have any ideas about what is happening and how to fix it? Geoff ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Perl Install Race Condition
I decided to try some Perl on my N810 CPAN.pm needs some other modules: ExtUtils/ModuleMaker and File/Path Unfortunately, those two each require the other in order to make the Makefile.pl Race deadlock! Anyone have an idea? Geoff -- Tux says: "Be regular. Eat cron flakes." ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OT: Mailinglist Reply To All (was Re: [Fwd: Re: Skype video?])
Peter Flynn wrote: > A normal mailing-list reader should NOT have to make a mental decision > each time they write a reply: the Reply-To header ought to have been set > appropriately by the mailing list. > > But it won't change. It's up to the owners of mailing lists to set the > appropriate default at the time the list is set up. All my LISTSERV > lists, for example, are set appropriately for the type of list involved. > And THIS list does not have a 'Reply to' header at allHow about it maemo-list-admins? Geoff ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
