RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

[Jarmo.Tikka]

Hi,

[jot] some answers below...

From: ext gary liquid [mailto:liq...@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 July, 2009 15:58
To: Ryan Abel
Cc: Tikka Jarmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki); maemo-users@maemo.org; 
maemo-develop...@maemo.org
Subject: Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

is it possible to do tablet->tablet flashing?

(serious question)

[jot]  I think it is not possible because Tablet USB port drivers do not 
support it but I am not sure. What is possible is to use 
/usr/sbin/fiasco_flasher available from Tablet to flash images from mmc card.

most of us now have more than one device and since not all of us have linux or 
windows available (hiya GA), having a native solution would be a possible 
quicker workaround

[jot] The easies way to do flashing we be from PC but maybe it would be enough 
for you to flash from inside Tablet. BTW no quarantine this will work as I have 
not tested this myself.

Cheers,
//Jarmo

gary

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RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

[Jarmo.Tikka]

Hi,

I found something to comment from this last email :). 

>access to on a regular basis. Yes, you can tell the installer 
>that it should check the architecture. No, you shouldn't be 

If same installer can be used to install both x86 and PCC binaries depending on 
which PC you run installation package that would be great. Anyhow I think we 
can make at least separate PCC installation package when we will have PCC Mac 
to make it.

>that it should check the architecture. No, you shouldn't be 
>doing that because you should be compiling a PPC binary.

Nobody has told me if PCC binary can be build on x86 Mac. If not it will take 
some time to make PCC version of flasher-3.5 even when it is just rebuilding 
(at least in theory it should be just rebuilding task).

Cheers,
//Jarmo

>-Original Message-
>From: ext Ryan Abel [mailto:rabe...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: 01 July, 2009 15:37
>To: Tikka Jarmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
>Cc: maemo-develop...@maemo.org; maemo-users@maemo.org
>Subject: Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and 
>Diablo released
>
>On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:43 AM,  wrote:
>
>>>One step forward and two steps back.
>>
>> Happy to see that you considered this Beta release to be at 
>least one 
>> step forward (before ending up being one step backward :)
>>
>
>It's hardly every anything else with Nokia. :(
>
>>>
>>>No PPC binary, and the installer will happily chug right 
>along without 
>>>telling users that they're installing something they can't even use.
>>
>> Only x86 and 32-bit support with this beta release. Could 
>you explain in more detailed your installation problems. E.g. 
>do you try to install Windows XP or Windows Vista or Mac OS X 
>10.x or Debian Linux or some other Linux or ...
>>
>
>I don't use Windows, and, by and large, I don't use Linux.
>
>> Or are you trying to install Mac flasher-3.5 to PPC Mac? I 
>do not Mac myself well enoug to say if architecture can be 
>defined to the Mac installation package so that you will get 
>some sensible error message if you try to install "wrong" 
>architecture binary.
>>
>
>Yes, because PPC OS X is basically the only thing I have 
>access to on a regular basis. Yes, you can tell the installer 
>that it should check the architecture. No, you shouldn't be 
>doing that because you should be compiling a PPC binary.
>
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Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

[gary liquid]

is it possible to do tablet->tablet flashing?

(serious question)

most of us now have more than one device and since not all of us have linux
or windows available (hiya GA), having a native solution would be a possible
quicker workaround

gary

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Ryan Abel  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:43 AM,  wrote:
>
> >>One step forward and two steps back.
> >
> > Happy to see that you considered this Beta release to be at least one
> step forward (before ending up being one step backward :)
> >
>
> It's hardly every anything else with Nokia. :(
>
> >>
> >>No PPC binary, and the installer will happily chug right along
> >>without telling users that they're installing something they
> >>can't even use.
> >
> > Only x86 and 32-bit support with this beta release. Could you explain in
> more detailed your installation problems. E.g. do you try to install Windows
> XP or Windows Vista or Mac OS X 10.x or Debian Linux or some other Linux or
> ...
> >
>
> I don't use Windows, and, by and large, I don't use Linux.
>
> > Or are you trying to install Mac flasher-3.5 to PPC Mac? I do not Mac
> myself well enoug to say if architecture can be defined to the Mac
> installation package so that you will get some sensible error message if you
> try to install "wrong" architecture binary.
> >
>
> Yes, because PPC OS X is basically the only thing I have access to on
> a regular basis. Yes, you can tell the installer that it should check
> the architecture. No, you shouldn't be doing that because you should
> be compiling a PPC binary.
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RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

[Jarmo.Tikka]

Hi,

>>From: ext Andre Klapper [mailto:aklap...@openismus.com] 
>>your email and the download page do not mention any architectures.
>>Can you please add that information to the download page?

We just updated Flasher-3.5 download page and readme file here 
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php

With binary architecture information flasher-3.5 beta installation packages 
support.

Thanks about feedback so far.

I have updated my flasher backlog with request to have also PPC architecture 
supported for Mac OS X. If we find PPC Mac somewhere I think this can be done 
easily for final release.

I have not tested Windows version in Windows 7 RC yet. If somebody has latest 
Win7 RC installed I would be interested are there some problems?

Cheers,
//Jarmo
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RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

[Jarmo.Tikka]

Hi, 

>-Original Message-
>From: ext Ryan Abel [mailto:rabe...@gmail.com] 
>Sent: 01 July, 2009 03:05
>Diablo released
>
>On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:41 AM,  wrote:
>> The Maemo Eclipse Integration 2nd Edition project has 
>released installation packages for Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta 
>for Linuxes, Mac OS X and Windows. Maemo Flasher-3.5 tool 
>supports flashing of N8x0 Diablo devices and coming Fremantle devices.
>>
>
>One step forward and two steps back.

Happy to see that you considered this Beta release to be at least one step 
forward (before ending up being one step backward :)

>
>No PPC binary, and the installer will happily chug right along 
>without telling users that they're installing something they 
>can't even use.

Only x86 and 32-bit support with this beta release. Could you explain in more 
detailed your installation problems. E.g. do you try to install Windows XP or 
Windows Vista or Mac OS X 10.x or Debian Linux or some other Linux or ...

Or are you trying to install Mac flasher-3.5 to PPC Mac? I do not Mac myself 
well enoug to say if architecture can be defined to the Mac installation 
package so that you will get some sensible error message if you try to install 
"wrong" architecture binary. 

Cheers,
//Jarmo
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RE: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

[Jarmo.Tikka]

Hi,

>-Original Message-
>From: ext Andre Klapper [mailto:aklap...@openismus.com] 
>Sent: 30 June, 2009 15:55
>Subject: Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and 
>Diablo released
>
>Hi Jarmo,
>
>your email and the download page do not mention any architectures.
>Can you please add that information to the download page?

Sorry about that.

Only x86 and 32-bit for this beta release. 

Main purpose to publish new Fremantle flashers, when there are no Fremantle 
devices yet available :),  is to get feedback from maemo community and have 
true installation packages available for Eclipse Integration.

It would be great also to have GUI wrapper done for end users/developers on top 
of these (usable on all supported platforms Windows, Linuxes and Mac OS X :). 
Hint, hint ...

Cheers,
//Jarmo

>
>Am Dienstag, den 30.06.2009, 14:41 +0200 schrieb jarmo.ti...@nokia.com:
>> Supported operating systems
>>  - Linuxes (Debian installation package available for Debian based 
>> Linuxes and tar ball for others)
>
>Only x86? Or also PPC?
>
>>  - Windows XP with SP3 and Vista with SP1
>>  - Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard
>
>PPC and x86?
>
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>
>
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Re: Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

[Andre Klapper]

Hi Jarmo,

your email and the download page do not mention any architectures.
Can you please add that information to the download page?

Am Dienstag, den 30.06.2009, 14:41 +0200 schrieb jarmo.ti...@nokia.com:
> Supported operating systems
>  - Linuxes (Debian installation package available for Debian based
> Linuxes and tar ball for others)

Only x86? Or also PPC?

>  - Windows XP with SP3 and Vista with SP1
>  - Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard  

PPC and x86?

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Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

[Jarmo.Tikka]

The Maemo Eclipse Integration 2nd Edition project has released installation 
packages for Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Linuxes, Mac OS X and Windows. 
Maemo Flasher-3.5 tool supports flashing of N8x0 Diablo devices and coming 
Fremantle devices.


Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool details

 - Version: 2.4.5.3 - Beta
 - Date: June 30, 2009
 - Hardware supported: Nokia N800, N810 and N810 Wimax with Diablo 4.1.x and 
Nokia NXXX with Fremantle 5.x


Supported operating systems

 - Linuxes (Debian installation package available for Debian based Linuxes and 
tar ball for others)
 - Windows XP with SP3 and Vista with SP1
 - Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard  


Downloads and documentation

 - Flasher-3.5 downloads: 
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
 - Flasher-3.5 documentation: 
  
Sources for libusb library (LGPL v2) installed as part of flasher-3.5 for 
Windows and Mac OS X:
 - Libusb (Mac): 
http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/upstream/libusb-0.1.12.tar.gz
 - Libusb-win32 (Win): 
http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/upstream/libusb-win32-src-0.1.12.1.tar.gz


Short description

The Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool is a command line utility that supports N800, N810 
and N810 Wimax devices with Maemo Diablo 4.1.x platform releases and coming 
NXXX device with Maemo Fremantle 5.x platform release. Notice that older Maemo 
devices (like Nokia 770) and Maemo platform releases may require a specific 
flasher tool.

Flasher-3.5 is run from a Linux, Windows or Mac host computer, and it will send 
data and commands to the connected Maemo device over USB. Command line 
parameters supported by flasher-3.5 together with some usage examples are 
documented in Help.txt file available from installation packages. Flasher-3.5 
binary gives also command line help if it is run without any parameter or with 
"--set-rd-flags" or " --clear-rd-flags" parameters.


Installation

The Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool should be installed from the installation package 
provided for Debian based Linuxes, Windows XP/Vista and Mac OS X. For other 
than Debian based Linux distributions also compressed tar file is provided. 

Installation of Maemo Flasher-3.5 requires administration rights in all 
supported operating systems.


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Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Fremantle and Diablo released

[Jarmo.Tikka]

The Maemo Eclipse Integration 2nd Edition project has released installation 
packages for Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool Beta for Linuxes, Mac OS X and Windows. 
Maemo Flasher-3.5 tool supports flashing of N8x0 Diablo devices and coming 
Fremantle devices.


Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool details

 - Version: 2.4.5.3 - Beta
 - Date: June 30, 2009
 - Hardware supported: Nokia N800, N810 and N810 Wimax with Diablo 4.1.x and 
Nokia NXXX with Fremantle 5.x


Supported operating systems

 - Linuxes (Debian installation package available for Debian based Linuxes and 
tar ball for others)
 - Windows XP with SP3 and Vista with SP1
 - Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard  


Downloads and documentation

 - Flasher-3.5 downloads: 
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
 - Flasher-3.5 documentation: 
  
Sources for libusb library (LGPL v2) installed as part of flasher-3.5 for 
Windows and Mac OS X:
 - Libusb (Mac): 
http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/upstream/libusb-0.1.12.tar.gz
 - Libusb-win32 (Win): 
http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/upstream/libusb-win32-src-0.1.12.1.tar.gz


Short description

The Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool is a command line utility that supports N800, N810 
and N810 Wimax devices with Maemo Diablo 4.1.x platform releases and coming 
NXXX device with Maemo Fremantle 5.x platform release. Notice that older Maemo 
devices (like Nokia 770) and Maemo platform releases may require a specific 
flasher tool.

Flasher-3.5 is run from a Linux, Windows or Mac host computer, and it will send 
data and commands to the connected Maemo device over USB. Command line 
parameters supported by flasher-3.5 together with some usage examples are 
documented in Help.txt file available from installation packages. Flasher-3.5 
binary gives also command line help if it is run without any parameter or with 
"--set-rd-flags" or " --clear-rd-flags" parameters.


Installation

The Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool should be installed from the installation package 
provided for Debian based Linuxes, Windows XP/Vista and Mac OS X. For other 
than Debian based Linux distributions also compressed tar file is provided. 

Installation of Maemo Flasher-3.5 requires administration rights in all 
supported operating systems.


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Re: Diablo released (AGPS)

[Brad Midgley]

guys

> the fact that
> it wants a data connection through a cell (wifi isn't good enough)
> suggests that it might look to see which gsm towers are around.

out of curiosity I ran hcidump so I could watch the negotiation with
the cellphone. my n810 does not get cell tower info as it connects to
get agps data, although it would be a cool hack if it did. I don't
think there is a way to do out-of-band AT commands after DUN is
running a full-on connection (so I didn't check)

the only commands it did run were...

AT&F (OK)
AT+GCAP (+GCAP: +FCLASS)
AT+CPAS (ERROR)
AT+CRM=? (ERROR)
AT+CMEE=1 (ERROR)
AT+CGDCONT=1,"ip","wap.cingular"

and so on with the connection.

probably wifi was left out of the agps menu just because it isn't the
norm for connecting while on the go...

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Re: Diablo released - problems with 'extras' repository... read on...

[Quim Gil]

ext David Greaves wrote:
> Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
> 
> If you have problems with installing apps from extras, read this:
> 
>   http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras

Also this

http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/diablo_extras-why_the_issue_and_how_to_help.html

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Re: Diablo released (AGPS)

[Andrew Daviel]

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Nils Faerber wrote:

> Using the ephimeris data from ublox a ublox Antaris 5 receiver can have
> a time to first after cold start of less than three seconds!

Now that's impressive! (thanks for the info; I stand corrected re. AGPS 
in non-cellphone devices..)

> We already wondered what this GUI is good for ;)
> Choosing your region? Oh well...

>From running supld on the command line (it normally runs as a daemon 
from startup) :

SUPL daemon version is Mon May  5 12:12:24 UTC 2008
SLP address: supl.nokia.com
SLP port: 7275
A-GPS srv address: supl.nokia.com
Position timestamp: 1214410112.00
Position latitude: 49.162067
Position longitude: -123.119614
Position uncertainty: 300
Previous A-GPS req time: 0
Previous A-GPS req status: 0
A-GPS support: 1
NW INIT enabled: 0
Cached assistance data support: 1
Packet data for assistance data allowed: 1
Preferred connection id: Rogers Internet
SetId NAI: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PSK EMSK:
Wimax BSID:
GSM Cell ID by BT support: 0
Debug SLP IP source: provisioned
Debug mode: 0
Debug log folder: /media/mmc2/supllog/


agps-ui allows you to choose the "preferred connection id" (it only 
offered my EDGE connection), but supld downloaded data over the WLAN.
agps-ui also has a checkbox to enable "Packet data ..". I presume it 
means "do you want to incur cellular data charges for downloading an 
ephemeris?". I don't know how to turn on debugging (DBUS?); nothing is 
written to /media/mmc2/supllog/.

I'm not sure where the positions came from; I suspect from the last 
position saved by gpsdriver. It's more accurate than geosearching my ip 
address.

I think that supld is exchanging data on DBUS with gpsdriver; the new 
version links libsupld.so

I presume from this that some location data is 
available from WiMax on the new device, and also from the GPS cell ID. I 
know the cell ID is available from my 
Nokia cellphone (I had gnokii running on my laptop via USB, and I built 
it for the tablet), and I believe Google has been mapping
cell locations by driving around (Rogers told me the tower locations were 
confidential when I asked a couple of years back).

Pointing a browser at supl.nokia.com doesn't get you far; I don't know 
the path, and it may be using a client-side SSL certificate for
authentication.


I haven't actually tried this much in real life so far. From what you say 
about ephemeris lifetime, I would hope to get a 30-second fix going 
outside from somewhere with WLAN but no sky (like my home, or office). I 
would hope that one could also take an 8-hour plane trip, then use 
agps-ui to set my approximate location, and get a fix in a minute or two 
instead of "never". If true, it should go a long way to fixing the GPS 
woes (thanks, Zoltan).


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Re: Diablo released (ipv6)

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext Jesper Cheetah wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
> 
> And it includes some ipv6 support!
> 
> [Gain root]
> insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko
> ip -6 addr show
> 
> It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the
> ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6.

Diablo ifconfig is provided by Busybox.

Just use (build) the real ones from Debian net-tools and iputils-ping
(source) packages.  If you haven't yet tried Chinook or Diablo SDK,
now's a good time. :-)

Or you may prefer just using cross-compiler with SB2 (available from
Debian and freedesktop.org and announced now and then on maemo-devel)
for building instead of Scratchbox v1 in the Chinook/Diablo SDKs.


> The browser also
> seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads
> http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says "server not
> found".


- Eero
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Re: Diablo released

[Frederic Crozat]

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Kevin T. Neely
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Haven't heard about this:  Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?

No.

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Re: Diablo released (AGPS)

[Brad Midgley]

guys

>>> So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
>>> with a bluetooth GPS?

not without vendor-specific hacking for the specific gps. in other words, no.

>> Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder
>> map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online.
>
> It is, but you have to enable AGPS and Packet data in agps-ui program,
> after installing it..
>
> Moreover, this feature is available for all GPS applications on n810,
> not only Maps.

It's possible the agps change downloads ephemeris, but the fact that
it wants a data connection through a cell (wifi isn't good enough)
suggests that it might look to see which gsm towers are around.

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Re: Diablo released

[Jonathan Greene]

I've definitely used my bluetooth headphones ... though I think it
might actually be dual-mono rather than stereo.  Have not tried the
BH-903's yet in Diablo

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Kevin T. Neely
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chinook supports it?  The last I'd read was that you needed to jump through 
> some hoops to get it to work.
>
> thanks,
> K
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 07:51:14PM -0400, Jonathan Greene wrote:
>> It did previously ...
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Kevin T. Neely
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Haven't heard about this:  Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?
>> >
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Re: Diablo released

[Kevin T. Neely]

Chinook supports it?  The last I'd read was that you needed to jump through 
some hoops to get it to work.

thanks,
K


On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 07:51:14PM -0400, Jonathan Greene wrote:
> It did previously ...
> 
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Kevin T. Neely
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Haven't heard about this:  Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?
> >
> > thanks,
> > K
> >
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Re: Diablo released

[Jonathan Greene]

It did previously ...

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Kevin T. Neely
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Re: Diablo released

[Kevin T. Neely]

Haven't heard about this:  Does A2DP work with Diablo out-of-the-box?

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Re: Diablo released

[Jesper Cheetah]

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 09:05:33PM +0200, Frederic Crozat wrote:
> problem is not the browser but autoconfiguration for ipv6 is not working.

Hmm, but I do get a proper ipv6 address, through router solicitations. I
don't get dns servers advertised that way (yet, on my todo list), but it
should still be able to do dns lookups over ipv4. That's how it works on
my laptop.

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Re: Diablo released

[Frederic Crozat]

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Jesper Cheetah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
>
> And it includes some ipv6 support!
>
> [Gain root]
> insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko
> ip -6 addr show
>
> It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the
> ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6. The browser also
> seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads
> http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says "server not
> found".

problem is not the browser but autoconfiguration for ipv6 is not working.

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Re: Diablo released

[Jesper Cheetah]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
> Diablo has been released guys :)

And it includes some ipv6 support!

[Gain root]
insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ipv6.ko
ip -6 addr show

It seems to only be a half-hearted support, as ifconfig doesn't show the
ipv6 addresses, and there's no such thing as ping6. The browser also
seems to not be ipv6 compatible; while my laptop loads
http://ipv6.google.com/ just fine, the browser in N800 says "server not
found".

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Re: Diablo released (AGPS)

[Nils Faerber]

Andrew Daviel schrieb:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, GROG! (Jeff Howie) wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
>> with a bluetooth GPS?
> 
> I have to agree with Josh.
> 
> AFAIK, the AGPS interface to the GPS chip in the N810 is a serial link 
> using a proprietary TI protocol. AGPS is intended for use in cellphones 
> so it's unlikely to be implemented in a standalone device.

Well... AGPS (assisted GPS) is intended to shorten the time to first fix
(TTF) by uploading known data like ephimeris data up into the GPS
receiver. The "known data" can also be a precise known time, geographic
region etc. Bascially all data that can be used to help "guessing" your
initial position or help the corelation.
Some cellular networks broadcast position alike information as part of
the cellular infrastructure which can be used to helpthe GPS receiver.
But this is not the only method. There are also IP network based
services by some companies providing initial data, like ublox or Jentro.
Using the ephimeris data from ublox a ublox Antaris 5 receiver can have
a time to first after cold start of less than three seconds! SIRF-III
also supports AGPS (upload of ephimeris) in some configurations.

The "problem" with AGPS is that it does not help much in the offline
state. If you do not get up-to-date information from the network you are
back to the non AGPS time to first fix. Ephimeris data is valid IIRC 28h
so you have to update it every day.

> Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder 
> map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online.
> 
> Hmm... as per 
> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186839&postcount=641
> there's an app agps-ui beta from
> http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/a/agps-ui/
> It uses supl-daemon to download something from 
> https://supl.nokia.com:7275
> 
> Not sure at this point what effect this has - I'm indoors with too weak 
> a satellite signal to get a fix. Looks interesting ... certainly agps-ui 
> lets you choose your estimated position.

We already wondered what this GUI is good for ;)
Choosing your region? Oh well...

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Re: Diablo released (AGPS)

[Frederic Crozat]

On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Andrew Daviel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, GROG! (Jeff Howie) wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
>> with a bluetooth GPS?
>
> I have to agree with Josh.
>
> AFAIK, the AGPS interface to the GPS chip in the N810 is a serial link
> using a proprietary TI protocol. AGPS is intended for use in cellphones
> so it's unlikely to be implemented in a standalone device.
>
> Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder
> map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online.

It is, but you have to enable AGPS and Packet data in agps-ui program,
after installing it..

Moreover, this feature is available for all GPS applications on n810,
not only Maps.

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Re: Diablo released (AGPS)

[Andrew Daviel]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, GROG! (Jeff Howie) wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
> with a bluetooth GPS?

I have to agree with Josh.

AFAIK, the AGPS interface to the GPS chip in the N810 is a serial link 
using a proprietary TI protocol. AGPS is intended for use in cellphones 
so it's unlikely to be implemented in a standalone device.

Hmm, just installed Diablo. No network traffic when starting wayfinder 
map - I thought the AGPS patch was going to look for an ephemeris online.

Hmm... as per 
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=186839&postcount=641
there's an app agps-ui beta from
http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/diablo/user/a/agps-ui/
It uses supl-daemon to download something from 
https://supl.nokia.com:7275

Not sure at this point what effect this has - I'm indoors with too weak 
a satellite signal to get a fix. Looks interesting ... certainly agps-ui 
lets you choose your estimated position.

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Re: Diablo released

[Michael Wiktowy]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So...  As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
> reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
> never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
> web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
> the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?

Visually, the absence of double-taps on the vkb and jerky finger
panning in the browser are both big improvements that I noticed
immediately.

Other than that, you won't notice huge changes.

Whether the seamless updates matter to you when going from major
version to major version, it is certainly better having a more robust
application manager that is capable of such things. I have already
been impressed at how it handled reinstalling my apps after flashing
and failing gracefully on the apps that were missing from diablo
repositories. It is definitely more solid.

Also, while Diablo will run the vast majority of apps built for
Chinook today, the same cannot be said for future apps built for
Diablo running on Chinook since they may require versions of libraries
that got updated in Diablo; particularly those requiring libssl as
security patches may make it into 0.9.8 (diablo) that won't make it
into 0.9.7 (chinook).

You also may have to wait a *long* time for another updated firmware
to come out whereas you probably won't have to wait long for updates
(feature, security and bugfixes) to start trickling through via SSU.

In the end, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to
reflash. But in my experience, after making a backup just before
reflashing and letting the first-boot process restore it after, the
reflash was the least painful that I have encountered so far.

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Re: Diablo released

[Marius Gedminas]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:54:39PM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> I'll need to flash my N800 again at some point for one more upgrade, but
> flashing it today for the sole purpose of not having to flash it when a
> new feature gets added tomorrow seems a little silly when I can just
> wait until tomorrow and flash it for the last time then.  Unless there's
> another new feature that matters to me today...

Faster web browser scrolling?

Fix for the irritating Ctrl+D CPU spinning bug in osso-xterm?

Fix for the irritating popup that closes your vkb when you press the
Ctrl toolbar button in osso-xterm?

Somewhat nicer Application Manager user interface?

Hey, is there a wiki page listing the nice things about Diablo?

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Re: Diablo released

[Marius Gedminas]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 07:18:30PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote:
> ext Marius Gedminas wrote:
> >On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:56:31PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote:
> >>Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
> >>for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
> >>unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
> >>nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.
> >
> >I noticed this even without zooming.  Previously, Google Reader was
> >nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
> >whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
> >something).  Now it's fast.  Although now there are some rendering
> >artifacts from scrolling via panning:
> >http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png
> 
> Does it seem to be the same bug as this one:
>   https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
> ?

No, but it's the same bug as this one:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3287

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Re: Diablo released

[Joshua Layne]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:43:28 -0500, "GROG! (Jeff Howie)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> I don't know if you have an N800 or an N810 - but if N810, then diablo
>> includes AGPS (I believe, not personally verified) - for me, this alone
> is
>> reason enough.
> 
> So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
> with a bluetooth GPS?

my guess is no - unless the nokia gpsd supports some very non-standard gpsd
features and the BT GPS is in a binary mode, not an NMEA mode.

If it is just spewing NMEA over an RFCOMM port, then I don't think you
would have the required interface to issue AGPS commands (but my knowledge
of AGPS implementations is non-existent and even my theoretical knowledge
is quite limited, so I may be wrong)

rgds,
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RE: Diablo released

[Dr. Nicholas Shaw]

I'm guessing the Gnumeric is one of those not yet moved over.  I setup the
repository and, nope, doesn't show up.

I still have the memory card problem but am going to try a different card to
see if the problem continues.

Nick.


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To: Dave Sherohman; maemo-users@maemo.org
Subject: Re: Diablo released

That's a good question.
Generally if you don't need to update... then don't do it.
Theoretically all the applications should work on Diablo without much
modifications.
Many, in fact, do.
But many of them where on the chinook extras repository and they are
still not been moved
to the Diablo's one.

Thus updating to Diablo may give you more troubles.
On the other side, a part from those new features, there are also
plenty of bugfixes that Diablo
carries along.
And some performance improvements.

Anyway, you are the only one that needs to weight the pros and cons of
updating.
Then, again alone, decide.

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On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
>
> So...  As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
> reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
> never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
> web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
> the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
>
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Re: Diablo released

[hendrik]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 07:13:24PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
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Re: Diablo released

[Fred Pacquier]

No one seems to have asked the obligatory, ritual question yet... so I 
guess I need to fill in :

Will there be a 2008HE version of Diablo for good old 770 ? :-)

(as someone mentioned, I don't recall whether it was here or on ITT, a 
770 with 2008HE, Maemo mapper and a GPS is a great personal navigator 
solution - better even than the N8x0, for a number of reasons)
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Re: Diablo released

[GROG! (Jeff Howie)]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Layne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know if you have an N800 or an N810 - but if N810, then diablo
> includes AGPS (I believe, not personally verified) - for me, this alone is
> reason enough.

So assuming that AGPS _is_ included, would that be usable by an N800
with a bluetooth GPS?

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Re: Diablo released

[Joshua Layne]

I don't know if you have an N800 or an N810 - but if N810, then diablo
includes AGPS (I believe, not personally verified) - for me, this alone is
reason enough.

of course, I left my special N810 usb cable at home today (of all days...) 

reason to leave early?
j.

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:54:39 -0500, Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 06:34:36PM +0300, Quim Gil wrote:
>> ext Dave Sherohman wrote:
>> > is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
>> > the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
>>
>> Depends on your definition of "Diablo + 1"
>>
>> If you mean waiting for Diablo maintenance releases, the Seamless
>> Software Update feature simplifies this a lot: users might get just
>> package updates, no full release like until now. Since you are still in
>> Maemo 4.0 you won't get the notifications, though.
>>
>> If you mean waiting for Fremantle... take a seat.  ;)
> 
> Well, really, I meant "whatever future version includes something I care
> about, aside from a no-flash path for future upgrades".
> 
> I'll need to flash my N800 again at some point for one more upgrade, but
> flashing it today for the sole purpose of not having to flash it when a
> new feature gets added tomorrow seems a little silly when I can just
> wait until tomorrow and flash it for the last time then.  Unless there's
> another new feature that matters to me today...
> 
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Re: Diablo released

[Dave Sherohman]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 06:34:36PM +0300, Quim Gil wrote:
> ext Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
> > the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
> 
> Depends on your definition of "Diablo + 1"
> 
> If you mean waiting for Diablo maintenance releases, the Seamless
> Software Update feature simplifies this a lot: users might get just
> package updates, no full release like until now. Since you are still in
> Maemo 4.0 you won't get the notifications, though.
> 
> If you mean waiting for Fremantle... take a seat.  ;)

Well, really, I meant "whatever future version includes something I care
about, aside from a no-flash path for future upgrades".

I'll need to flash my N800 again at some point for one more upgrade, but
flashing it today for the sole purpose of not having to flash it when a
new feature gets added tomorrow seems a little silly when I can just
wait until tomorrow and flash it for the last time then.  Unless there's
another new feature that matters to me today...

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Re: Diablo released

[Aniello Del Sorbo]

Done:

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3287

Marius, can we attach your snapshot to it ?

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On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Eero Tamminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> ext Marius Gedminas wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:56:31PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote:
>>> Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
>>> for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
>>> unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
>>> nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.
>>
>> I noticed this even without zooming.  Previously, Google Reader was
>> nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
>> whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
>> something).  Now it's fast.  Although now there are some rendering
>> artifacts from scrolling via panning:
>> http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png
>
> Does it seem to be the same bug as this one:
>https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
> ?
>
> If not, please create a new one, thanks!
>
>
>- Eero
>
> (I assume fix to this will be one of the SSU benefits :-))
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Re: Diablo released

[Aniello Del Sorbo]

This happens to me too.

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:56:31PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote:
>> Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
>> for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
>> unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
>> nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.
>
> I noticed this even without zooming.  Previously, Google Reader was
> nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
> whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
> something).  Now it's fast.  Although now there are some rendering
> artifacts from scrolling via panning:
> http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png
>
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Re: Diablo released

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:56:31PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote:
>> Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
>> for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
>> unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
>> nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.
> 
> I noticed this even without zooming.  Previously, Google Reader was
> nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
> whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
> something).  Now it's fast.  Although now there are some rendering
> artifacts from scrolling via panning:
> http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png

Does it seem to be the same bug as this one:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3242
?

If not, please create a new one, thanks!


- Eero

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Re: Diablo released

[Alfredo J. Fabretti]

This is the most important part:

"Users still need to reflash the device in order to install this
release. Further OS updates will be made available over-the-air,
without needing to reflash. Now users will get automatic notifications
in the home screen about the availability of OS updates or single
applications, including those installed from third parties."

Well done!


On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Aniello Del Sorbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Diablo has been released guys :)
>
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Re: Diablo released

[Marius Gedminas]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:56:31PM +0300, Eero Tamminen wrote:
> Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
> for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
> unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
> nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.

I noticed this even without zooming.  Previously, Google Reader was
nearly unusable with panning (your finger/stylus would move across the
whole pan area before the software noticed you were trying to do
something).  Now it's fast.  Although now there are some rendering
artifacts from scrolling via panning:
http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png

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Re: Diablo released

[Quim Gil]

ext Dave Sherohman wrote:
> is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
> the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?

Depends on your definition of "Diablo + 1"

If you mean waiting for Diablo maintenance releases, the Seamless
Software Update feature simplifies this a lot: users might get just
package updates, no full release like until now. Since you are still in
Maemo 4.0 you won't get the notifications, though.

If you mean waiting for Fremantle... take a seat.  ;)

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Re: Diablo released - problems with 'extras' repository... read on...

[David Greaves]

Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
> Diablo has been released guys :)

If you have problems with installing apps from extras, read this:

  http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras

David
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Re: Diablo released

[David Greaves]

Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
> 
> So...  As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
> reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
> never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
> web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
> the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?

but but but

it's the *latest*

Clearly you're in the wrong community!!

David
PS it's the last flash upgrade - Diablo will now have online upgrades.
PPS No.

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Re: Diablo released

[Aniello Del Sorbo]

That's a good question.
Generally if you don't need to update... then don't do it.
Theoretically all the applications should work on Diablo without much
modifications.
Many, in fact, do.
But many of them where on the chinook extras repository and they are
still not been moved
to the Diablo's one.

Thus updating to Diablo may give you more troubles.
On the other side, a part from those new features, there are also
plenty of bugfixes that Diablo
carries along.
And some performance improvements.

Anyway, you are the only one that needs to weight the pros and cons of updating.
Then, again alone, decide.

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On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
>
> So...  As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
> reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
> never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
> web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
> the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?
>
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Re: Diablo released

[Dave Sherohman]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:10:46PM +0200, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
> Diablo has been released guys :)

So...  As someone who hasn't been following Diablo, doesn't use a mail
reader on my N800, already has my accounts and service providers set up,
never sees Chinese characters outside of spam, and rarely/never zooms
web pages, is there any reason for me to bother flashing my tablet (for
the last time?) today instead of waiting for Diablo + 1?

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Re: Diablo released

[Ryan Pavlik]

James Knott wrote:
> Matt Emson wrote:
>   
>> Quim Gil wrote:
>> 
>>> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
>>>
>>> SDK announcement to land soon
>>>   
>> Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the "rush" that 
>> happened last time round ;-)
>>
>> If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address 
>> down just in case of this happening!
>> 
>
> ???
>
> Why would you need the MAC address?
>
>
>   
To access the download page.

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Re: Diablo released

[Aniello Del Sorbo]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:42 PM, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matt Emson wrote:
>> Quim Gil wrote:
>>> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
>>>
>>> SDK announcement to land soon
>>
>> Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the "rush" that
>> happened last time round ;-)
>>
>> If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address
>> down just in case of this happening!
>
> ???
>
> Why would you need the MAC address?
>

Because you need to input that  in order to be able to download the bin file
that will be flashed onto your tablet.

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Re: Diablo released

[Tony Green]

On Tuesday 24 Jun 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Subject: Re: Diablo released

A word of warning.

Not all apps have got Diablo repositories set up. I realised this when I 
spotted that I couldn't install my own httpd and MySQL apps. I've sorted mine 
out but several other apps wouldn't re-install either.

To fix this if you have a similar problem ***
1. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list (make a backup 
first!!!)
2. Save the application's install file to disc.
3. In the install file, find the repo URL then find a matching line in the 
hildon-application-manager.list file. The difference will be that in 
hildon-application-manager.list the line includes "diablo" but in the install 
file it will have something different. Change diablo in 
hildon-application-manager.list to what's in the install file (usually 
mistral)
4. Save hildon-application-manager.list
5. Refresh sources
6. Install the application.
7. Edit the line in hildon-application-manager.list back to what it was for 
when the maintainer sets up a diablo repo.

*** Three caveats:
1  Binary-compatibility's been OK for what I'm using, it may not be 
guaranteed.
2.  There may be an easier way, but this worked for me.
3. You need to do the edit as root
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Re: Diablo released

[James Knott]

Matt Emson wrote:
> Quim Gil wrote:
>> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
>>
>> SDK announcement to land soon
> 
> Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the "rush" that 
> happened last time round ;-)
> 
> If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address 
> down just in case of this happening!

???

Why would you need the MAC address?


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RE: Diablo released

[Dr. Nicholas Shaw]

I was afraid you were going to say that... Ok, I'll give it a try and if it
doesn't work, I'll try different memory cards just to be thorough.  Yep, I'm
loving life now... :-)

Nick.


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From: Eero Tamminen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 07:33
To: ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Cc: 'Quim Gil'; 'ext Nils Faerber'; 'maemo-users'
Subject: Re: Diablo released

Hi,

ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote:
> Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
> Or would I be the first to try it?

We haven't been able to reproduce it (and the cards with which it seems
to happen are less common brands/no-brand).  There have been some
changes in the memory card handling so there's a remote chance it's
fixed. Please test and comment on the bug! :-)


- Eero

> 
> Nick.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Quim Gil
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 04:30
> To: ext Nils Faerber
> Cc: maemo-users
> Subject: Re: Diablo released
> 
> 
> 
> ext Nils Faerber wrote:
>> Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb:
>>> Diablo has been released guys :)
>> Details?
>> Like where? What?
> 
>
http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your
> _tablet-for_the_last_time.html
> 
> SDK announcement to land soon.
> 


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Re: Diablo released

[Aniello Del Sorbo]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:18 PM, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
>>
>
> What was he in for?  ;-)
>

Plenty of accusations :)
He behaved like an evil guy.

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Re: Diablo released

[James Knott]

Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
> Diablo has been released guys :)
> 

What was he in for?  ;-)


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Re: Diablo released

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext John Holmblad wrote:
> your question raises the more general question of where is the 
> documentation for the new features and software faults that are 
> corrected in this release? I will do some digging to see if I can find it.

For the bugs this is a good starting point:
https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?target_milestone=4.1&resolution=FIXED&resolution=WORKSFORME


Probably the best enhancement is a huge browser performance improvement
for www-pages which use alpha-blended layers. Earlier panning was about
unusable for those *when the page was zoomed*, in Diablo panning works
nearly as fast when zoomed as it works when the page is not zoomed.


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Re: Diablo released

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext Andre Klapper wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 24.06.2008, 07:00 -0600 schrieb Dr. Nicholas Shaw:
>> Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
>> Or would I be the first to try it?
> 
> Please try, I'd say. ;-)
> The bug report is not closed as fixed and according to the last comment
> it's still not clear how this happens. Bug 3146 *might* be related, but
> looks unlikely to me.

Bug 3146 has happened to only one person and he couldn't reproduce it
with latest Chinook release.  I don't think they're related.

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Re: Diablo released

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote:
> Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
> Or would I be the first to try it?

We haven't been able to reproduce it (and the cards with which it seems
to happen are less common brands/no-brand).  There have been some
changes in the memory card handling so there's a remote chance it's
fixed. Please test and comment on the bug! :-)


- Eero

> 
> Nick.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Quim Gil
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 04:30
> To: ext Nils Faerber
> Cc: maemo-users
> Subject: Re: Diablo released
> 
> 
> 
> ext Nils Faerber wrote:
>> Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb:
>>> Diablo has been released guys :)
>> Details?
>> Like where? What?
> 
> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your
> _tablet-for_the_last_time.html
> 
> SDK announcement to land soon.
> 

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RE: Diablo released

[Andre Klapper]

Am Dienstag, den 24.06.2008, 07:00 -0600 schrieb Dr. Nicholas Shaw:
> Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
> Or would I be the first to try it?

Please try, I'd say. ;-)
The bug report is not closed as fixed and according to the last comment
it's still not clear how this happens. Bug 3146 *might* be related, but
looks unlikely to me.

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RE: Diablo released

[Dr. Nicholas Shaw]

Does this release fix bug 2637 (memory card recognition issue in OS2008)?
Or would I be the first to try it?

Nick.


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Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 04:30
To: ext Nils Faerber
Cc: maemo-users
Subject: Re: Diablo released



ext Nils Faerber wrote:
> Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
> 
> Details?
> Like where? What?

http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your
_tablet-for_the_last_time.html

SDK announcement to land soon.

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Re: Diablo released

[Matt Emson]

Quim Gil wrote:
> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html
>
> SDK announcement to land soon

Cool! Downloading this *now* and hoping to avoid the "rush" that 
happened last time round ;-)

If only I had my N800 with me today! Luckily, I wrote the MAC address 
down just in case of this happening!

Download looking good, 50% done (~200KB/s) :-)

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Re: Diablo released

[Quim Gil]

ext Nils Faerber wrote:
> Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
> 
> Details?
> Like where? What?

http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html

SDK announcement to land soon.

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Re: Diablo released

[Christian Otto Stelter]

Nils Faerber wrote:
> Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
> 
> Details?
> Like where? What?

http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html

;-)

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Re: Diablo released

[Jonathan Greene]

officially?

On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Nils Faerber
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb:
>> Diablo has been released guys :)
>
> Details?
> Like where? What?
>
> Cheers
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Re: Diablo released

[Nils Faerber]

Aniello Del Sorbo schrieb:
> Diablo has been released guys :)

Details?
Like where? What?

Cheers
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Diablo released

[Aniello Del Sorbo]

Diablo has been released guys :)

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