Re: Google services
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/7 Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com: Hi, 2010/1/7 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com: This might be naive, but since the N900 runs a fully capable mozilla browser (i.e. fennec) why does it need a suite of Google applications? Now, if it had the enhanced Google Maps app with voice navigation, that would be something. onestly... we talk a lot about usability and do you want to compare accessing Gmail from MicroB or accessing it from a native client? Have you tried using Google Maps from N900 browser?! It's more usable from Google Maps for Nokia N73 than from N900 browser No micro-browser is enough for Google applications, neither N900 one nor iPhone nor Android one there's need for a native application to access certain services. The native client for Google services is.. well.. the browser ? :) But I get what you mean, Google services like Gmail, Maps, iGoogle etc are a bit heavy on the N900 (but it handles them quite well indeed). And the main issue is that it is simply too small. But we are talking here about Google services using the desktop version of their web pages. Google services are accessible also via their own mobile versions (mostly developed for iPhone). Same goes for Facebook that has a touch version. So, I think using the native client the Google services were designed for, it's the best way to go. This doesn't apply to Google services like Latitude, where a nice small daemon that updates it would be nice on the N900. It would suck less battery and I won't have to run a full fledged browser with the geolocation plugin just to have it updated. Well I was mostly thinking about Google Goggles or the Barcode Scanner, basically get to use N900 builtin technology like camera to do exactly that. -- anidel Sent from London, Eng, United Kingdom ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Google services - Latitude, mbarcode and Goggles.
Hmm... I'm running Google Latitude on my N900. googlelatitude 0.3-9 - Works quite nicely. Also, mbarcode is every nice as well mbarcode 0.0.8-0 - Only problem I'm having with that is that SMS barcodes aren't handled well yet, but the developer and I have been having a great discussion about addressing it. It is what I like best about the N900, you can build your own apps or find others to do that that take advantages of services out there. Now, Google Goggles: That is something I really want to see on the N900, especially if you can mash it up with some Augmented Reality! Aldon -Original Message- This doesn't apply to Google services like Latitude, where a nice small daemon that updates it would be nice on the N900. It would suck less battery and I won't have to run a full fledged browser with the geolocation plugin just to have it updated. Well I was mostly thinking about Google Goggles or the Barcode Scanner, basically get to use N900 builtin technology like camera to do exactly that. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services - Latitude, mbarcode and Goggles.
Hi, 2010/1/9 Aldon Hynes aldon.hy...@orient-lodge.com: Hmm... I'm running Google Latitude on my N900. googlelatitude 0.3-9 - Works quite nicely. lucky you, I cannot install it :( I'm getting dependencies problems with Qt. I've also tried to uninstall the old 0.2 googlelatitude and reinstall it, but no success. Maybe it's a problem related to PR 1.1 I'm using? -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services - Latitude, mbarcode and Goggles.
Hi, 2010/1/9 Aldon Hynes aldon.hy...@orient-lodge.com: According to apt-cache depends googlelatitude it does have a libqt4-phonon dependency and it looks like it is related to the bug you highlighted. yeah, I've just subscribed to the bug and confirmed it. Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services - Latitude, mbarcode and Goggles.
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 16:34, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting dependencies problems with Qt. I've also tried to uninstall the old 0.2 googlelatitude and reinstall it, but no success. Maybe it's a problem related to PR 1.1 I'm using? Does it have a libqt4-phonon dependency? Even if not, there may be other issues with Qt apps in 2.2009.51-1: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7742 HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Google services - Latitude, mbarcode and Goggles.
According to apt-cache depends googlelatitude it does have a libqt4-phonon dependency and it looks like it is related to the bug you highlighted. Aldon -Original Message- From: afl...@gmail.com [mailto:afl...@gmail.com]on Behalf Of Andrew Flegg Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 3:12 PM To: Andrea Grandi Cc: Aldon Hynes; maemo-users Subject: Re: Google services - Latitude, mbarcode and Goggles. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 16:34, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting dependencies problems with Qt. I've also tried to uninstall the old 0.2 googlelatitude and reinstall it, but no success. Maybe it's a problem related to PR 1.1 I'm using? Does it have a libqt4-phonon dependency? Even if not, there may be other issues with Qt apps in 2.2009.51-1: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7742 HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
That's good to know. I do not (yet) have an N900, so this is something I have been curious about. I mean, I don't want a Google Maps app for my computer, so I wasn't sure if the fennec browser would be up to the task. From what you say, it isn't, which is sad, but I guess to be expected. thanks K On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2010/1/7 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com: This might be naive, but since the N900 runs a fully capable mozilla browser (i.e. fennec) why does it need a suite of Google applications? Now, if it had the enhanced Google Maps app with voice navigation, that would be something. onestly... we talk a lot about usability and do you want to compare accessing Gmail from MicroB or accessing it from a native client? Have you tried using Google Maps from N900 browser?! It's more usable from Google Maps for Nokia N73 than from N900 browser No micro-browser is enough for Google applications, neither N900 one nor iPhone nor Android one there's need for a native application to access certain services. Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
Hi, 2010/1/7 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com: This might be naive, but since the N900 runs a fully capable mozilla browser (i.e. fennec) why does it need a suite of Google applications? Now, if it had the enhanced Google Maps app with voice navigation, that would be something. onestly... we talk a lot about usability and do you want to compare accessing Gmail from MicroB or accessing it from a native client? Have you tried using Google Maps from N900 browser?! It's more usable from Google Maps for Nokia N73 than from N900 browser No micro-browser is enough for Google applications, neither N900 one nor iPhone nor Android one there's need for a native application to access certain services. Regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
This might be naive, but since the N900 runs a fully capable mozilla browser (i.e. fennec) why does it need a suite of Google applications? Now, if it had the enhanced Google Maps app with voice navigation, that would be something. K On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2010/1/7 Claudio Saavedra csaave...@igalia.com: Are you sure? http://www.google.com/phone/ come on Claudio... the interesting thing remains Android and its good integration with their services, not that piece of hardware :P -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
Hi, 2010/1/7 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com: That's good to know. I do not (yet) have an N900, so this is something I have been curious about. I mean, I don't want a Google Maps app for my computer, so I wasn't sure if the fennec browser would be up to the task. From what you say, it isn't, which is sad, but I guess to be expected. a complete Google Maps (maybe you did want to say Google Earth ?) would be heavy for every phone, but a nice Maps application like Android has, would be great. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
Most Google utilities are open, whenever is the client itself or the API, so Google calendar can be access already from many Python scripts for example, same with Gmail and others. N900 supports python very well. I guess the higher end applications like Google Earth would need some aragement with them. Google is mostly a Java House and most of those apps are developed in Java. On the other side I wonder how well will N900 support webkit widgets on their interface. I guess thats what the Developer guide is for. But I guess I will stop here. My main concern is not accessing google, or creating clients for their services. My main concern is using/extending Nokia official software to support it. When I was on the N800 i had integration with Google calendar not because of google or nokia but because a third developer ported the gpe-calendar application to Maemo N800. My desire is for nokia to integrate their calendaring app with Google (or at least accept ical feeds). On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2010/1/7 Claudio Saavedra csaave...@igalia.com: Are you sure? http://www.google.com/phone/ come on Claudio... the interesting thing remains Android and its good integration with their services, not that piece of hardware :P -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
2010/1/7 Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com: Hi, 2010/1/7 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com: This might be naive, but since the N900 runs a fully capable mozilla browser (i.e. fennec) why does it need a suite of Google applications? Now, if it had the enhanced Google Maps app with voice navigation, that would be something. onestly... we talk a lot about usability and do you want to compare accessing Gmail from MicroB or accessing it from a native client? Have you tried using Google Maps from N900 browser?! It's more usable from Google Maps for Nokia N73 than from N900 browser No micro-browser is enough for Google applications, neither N900 one nor iPhone nor Android one there's need for a native application to access certain services. The native client for Google services is.. well.. the browser ? :) But I get what you mean, Google services like Gmail, Maps, iGoogle etc are a bit heavy on the N900 (but it handles them quite well indeed). And the main issue is that it is simply too small. But we are talking here about Google services using the desktop version of their web pages. Google services are accessible also via their own mobile versions (mostly developed for iPhone). Same goes for Facebook that has a touch version. So, I think using the native client the Google services were designed for, it's the best way to go. This doesn't apply to Google services like Latitude, where a nice small daemon that updates it would be nice on the N900. It would suck less battery and I won't have to run a full fledged browser with the geolocation plugin just to have it updated. -- anidel Sent from London, Eng, United Kingdom ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 20:20 +0100, ext Andrea Grandi wrote: Hi, 2010/1/7 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com: This might be naive, but since the N900 runs a fully capable mozilla browser (i.e. fennec) why does it need a suite of Google applications? Now, if it had the enhanced Google Maps app with voice navigation, that would be something. onestly... we talk a lot about usability and do you want to compare accessing Gmail from MicroB or accessing it from a native client? Have you tried using Google Maps from N900 browser?! It's more usable from Google Maps for Nokia N73 than from N900 browser Yeah, the panning is used to pan the Web page, so there is no way to pan these Web applications. I guess one could hack the browser UI to have a special mode for that. -Kimmo No micro-browser is enough for Google applications, neither N900 one nor iPhone nor Android one there's need for a native application to access certain services. Regards, ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
On Fri, 2010-01-08 at 12:16 +0100, Hamalainen Kimmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki) wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-07 at 20:20 +0100, ext Andrea Grandi wrote: Hi, 2010/1/7 Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com: This might be naive, but since the N900 runs a fully capable mozilla browser (i.e. fennec) why does it need a suite of Google applications? Now, if it had the enhanced Google Maps app with voice navigation, that would be something. onestly... we talk a lot about usability and do you want to compare accessing Gmail from MicroB or accessing it from a native client? Have you tried using Google Maps from N900 browser?! It's more usable from Google Maps for Nokia N73 than from N900 browser Yeah, the panning is used to pan the Web page, so there is no way to pan these Web applications. I guess one could hack the browser UI to have a special mode for that. Actually there is already, the Hover Mode: http://maemo.nokia.com/features/maemo-browser/gestures/ With that, you can pan in Google Maps also. -Kimmo -Kimmo No micro-browser is enough for Google applications, neither N900 one nor iPhone nor Android one there's need for a native application to access certain services. Regards, ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 00:01 +0100, ext Kahlil Johnson wrote: Wonder if there is any google service going around. With android phones, the n900 has the open source juice behind but I am not seen many services being around. I'm sure Google will port its apps to N900 if you ask nicely ;D I love the OSM apps as well as the Flickr integration however I would love to see more services like integrate the ical feed and be able to use my calendar server or google calendar or my own. Even if I can insert an ical i can't stream it so it keeps updates. Will the internal camera be updated? I can only use mirror but I can't use Google Talk or Skype to do video conferencing, is there any plans to update it? Yes, I heard the front camera support is coming, I don't dare to say more since it may not be public info yet. -Kimmo ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
Hi, 2010/1/7 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: I'm sure Google will port its apps to N900 if you ask nicely ;D Google main objective is selling services, so... it wouldn't be bad for them to have their suite available even for N900 :) We can ask it even sending them flowers or cakes, but if Nokia don't make an agreement with them I see it not so easy ;) -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
El jue, 07-01-2010 a las 15:11 +0100, Andrea Grandi escribió: 2010/1/7 Kimmo Hämäläinen kimmo.hamalai...@nokia.com: I'm sure Google will port its apps to N900 if you ask nicely ;D Google main objective is selling services, so... Are you sure? http://www.google.com/phone/ Claudio ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
Hi, 2010/1/7 Claudio Saavedra csaave...@igalia.com: Are you sure? http://www.google.com/phone/ come on Claudio... the interesting thing remains Android and its good integration with their services, not that piece of hardware :P -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 23:01, Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com wrote: I love the OSM apps as well as the Flickr integration however I would love to see more services like integrate the ical feed and be able to use my calendar server or google calendar or my own. Even if I can insert an ical i can't stream it so it keeps updates. You can sync your Google Calendars (and possibly other things, but *I*'ve only tried calendar) using NuevaSync's free account (http://www.nuevasync.com/) and Mail for Exchange (under 'Settings') Other Google services which work well: * Mail with the built-in mail client (using IMAP) * Reader using the web browser (apparently) * Latitude with the maemo-geolocation plugin available * Maps Technically speaking I wonder if there is something missing, like a standarize webapp structure, like KDE's Nepomuk or will each app has to build their stack like Gpodder, hermes etc. Neither Gpodder nor Hermes are web-apps; they are, however, both built on top of large, standardised frameworks: amongst others Python, Gtk+ and Hildon. Neither have built their own stack. With regards to writing application/widgets using HTML/CSS/JS, Nokia Web Runtime (WRT) is the strategic answer here and is coming at some point this year for Maemo. Hope that helps, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Google services
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 23:16, Kahlil Johnson jzare...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I didn't mean webapp but web services (XML-RPC). Gpodder uses it to sync accounts, hermes to interact with FB/twitter. I dunno if you meant to reply all; but I how Hermes works very well: I wrote it :-) Yes sorry, I am used to lists that auto-reply to the mailing list. And, again, Python has a large number of reusable libraries on top of which these apps are written; but this is a topic more for maemo-developers. HTH, Andrew Python shipped with N800 doesn't has xmlrpc but I do wonder if I can implement REST parsers on the N900. /usr/lib/python2.5/xmlrpclib.py exists on my N900, and any existing Python library can be trivially reused. For example, when building Hermes I've re-used from elsewhere: oh ok cool to know. I think the earlier version lacked many interesting libraries like sqlite and others. But good to see they are back in this versions. * python-facebook * python-twitter * python-evolution Cool, love it, I would love to see if Skype4Py can resurrect SMS via Skype since I really use this feature for world wide SMS messaging. Your favourite XML-RPC/SOAP/WebServices library should be easy to use. pymaemo-develop...@garage.maemo.org might also be an appropriate place to discuss in more detail. Great! HTH, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
