Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
Jonathan, it occurs to me that the bottleneck is probably due to the fact that a) the computer that is being reached by the RDP session and where the www browser is running is behind an Asymmetric DSL circuit to the Internet. I ran a speed test on that connection and the bandwidth in the direction TO the Internet and the tethered laptop from that computer is only ~369 kbps measured using the bandwidth test at the www page whose url is http://www.speakeasy/net/speedtest combined with the fact that b) on the tethered laptop side of the connection the measured bandwidth in the direction from the laptop + mobile device TO the Internet is only ~64kbps as measured using the same bandwidth test. Thus the large and frequent (due to the dancing baloney etc) differential graphics frames being played out from the computer to the laptop RDP client at the above average bit rate of ~369 kbps combined with the TCP ACK packets being returned at the ~64kbps bit rate are conspiring to deliver relatively poor performance, One of the reasons why a direct visit to a www site (i.e. not through the RDP/VNC/Server based browser) but through a browser running on the tethered laptop seems to work better is that, of course, the browser can and does open up multiple TCP connections to grab the image and other content from the visited www site wherever that www site is located on the Internet. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC Jonathan Greene wrote: I thought when you remoted into a machine it used the local connection on that device and not your connection. You'd only need to receive the differences in the screen but that should not be too terrible. I do plenty of streaming and tethering (together sometimes even) and 2Gb is a lot of data. I have an hour each day in either direction to burn on my commute. The text message is your voicemail notice coming through as visual voicemail on a non-compatible device. I use Spinvox to which I've forwarded my voicemail and they send back a text version of the message - as well as in my email. I couldn't take the BS from ATT anymore. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Brad Midgley bmidg...@gmail.com wrote: Hey I've also used the iPhone sim for data etc in a less locked-down device. Have you noticed the strange text messages you get whenever there's a status change on the voicemailbox? It can be annoying. The text message is a URL and appears to be related to iPhone's special handling of voicemail. It would be nice if we could figure out their special voicemail handler, or, barring that, just filter out these messages. Jonathan Greene atmasph...@atmasphere.net wrote: I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810, netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be more like your only connection ... -- Brad Midgley ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
I thought when you remoted into a machine it used the local connection on that device and not your connection. You'd only need to receive the differences in the screen but that should not be too terrible. I do plenty of streaming and tethering (together sometimes even) and 2Gb is a lot of data. I have an hour each day in either direction to burn on my commute. The text message is your voicemail notice coming through as visual voicemail on a non-compatible device. I use Spinvox to which I've forwarded my voicemail and they send back a text version of the message - as well as in my email. I couldn't take the BS from ATT anymore. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Brad Midgley bmidg...@gmail.com wrote: Hey I've also used the iPhone sim for data etc in a less locked-down device. Have you noticed the strange text messages you get whenever there's a status change on the voicemailbox? It can be annoying. The text message is a URL and appears to be related to iPhone's special handling of voicemail. It would be nice if we could figure out their special voicemail handler, or, barring that, just filter out these messages. Jonathan Greene atmasph...@atmasphere.net wrote: I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810, netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be more like your only connection ... -- Brad Midgley -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - jonathangre...@gmail.com Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com Sent from: New York New York United States. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Iphone + tethering - No Way
All, I finally had a chance to visit an ATT store near me to check out iphone service plan pricing. In the process I learned that the iphone does NOT support tethering (via bluetooth or otherwise) of other devices to it for the purpose of Internet access for such other devices. Furthermore I learned that ATT, like Verizon Wireless, has 2 choices of data plans for those devices that DO support tethering as explained to me by their salesperson. These choices are 1. Device only Internet access $30 US/month 2. #1 above + Device Tethering capability $60 US/month^1 (there is a limit of 5gb/month put on this) ATT also has a data only plan for users who just want to use a USB or Cardbus adapter for mobile Internet access for their PC or other device. The monthly charge for that plan, called Data Connect is $60/month also with a 5gb limit but with overage charges for use beyond the 5 gb/month. I should note that the $60 US/month for pricing plan #2 above from ATT compares with a price of $44.99 US/month^2 from Verizon which has the same 5gb monthly limit (stated in its fine print), a ~$15 US/month price difference in favor of Verizon Wireless vs ATT. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810, netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be more like your only connection ... On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: FWIW, I don't have an iphone, but I do have a $15/mo unlimited (which means 5GB) plan from ATT and I tether my laptop to that. K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, I finally had a chance to visit an ATT store near me to check out iphone service plan pricing. In the process I learned that the iphone does NOT support tethering (via bluetooth or otherwise) of other devices to it for the purpose of Internet access for such other devices. Furthermore I learned that ATT, like Verizon Wireless, has 2 choices of data plans for those devices that DO support tethering as explained to me by their salesperson. These choices are 1. Device only Internet access $30 US/month 2. #1 above + Device Tethering capability $60 US/month^1 (there is a limit of 5gb/month put on this) ATT also has a data only plan for users who just want to use a USB or Cardbus adapter for mobile Internet access for their PC or other device. The monthly charge for that plan, called Data Connect is $60/month also with a 5gb limit but with overage charges for use beyond the 5 gb/month. I should note that the $60 US/month for pricing plan #2 above from ATT compares with a price of $44.99 US/month^2 from Verizon which has the same 5gb monthly limit (stated in its fine print), a ~$15 US/month price difference in favor of Verizon Wireless vs ATT. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - jonathangre...@gmail.com Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com Sent from: New York New York United States. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
Read PDA.net is now available for iPhone that for around $40 turns it into a wireless router. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Greene atmasph...@atmasphere.netwrote: I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810, netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be more like your only connection ... On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: FWIW, I don't have an iphone, but I do have a $15/mo unlimited (which means 5GB) plan from ATT and I tether my laptop to that. K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, I finally had a chance to visit an ATT store near me to check out iphone service plan pricing. In the process I learned that the iphone does NOT support tethering (via bluetooth or otherwise) of other devices to it for the purpose of Internet access for such other devices. Furthermore I learned that ATT, like Verizon Wireless, has 2 choices of data plans for those devices that DO support tethering as explained to me by their salesperson. These choices are 1. Device only Internet access $30 US/month 2. #1 above + Device Tethering capability $60 US/month^1 (there is a limit of 5gb/month put on this) ATT also has a data only plan for users who just want to use a USB or Cardbus adapter for mobile Internet access for their PC or other device. The monthly charge for that plan, called Data Connect is $60/month also with a 5gb limit but with overage charges for use beyond the 5 gb/month. I should note that the $60 US/month for pricing plan #2 above from ATT compares with a price of $44.99 US/month^2 from Verizon which has the same 5gb monthly limit (stated in its fine print), a ~$15 US/month price difference in favor of Verizon Wireless vs ATT. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - jonathangre...@gmail.com Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com Sent from: New York New York United States. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jose Vargas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
Kevin, you may have legacy pricing because it now appears from the ATT www site that it is $30/month for the Data Connect service. Do you actually get bit rates above 100kbps in your location? I suspect that the ATT service, similar to Verizon Wireless's service, will automatically downhift to GPRS/Edge bit rates (on Verizon Wireless's network it is referred to as 1xRTT). Maybe ATT had a lower price for those geographic locations that were not yet upgraded to HSDPA. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Kevin T. Neely wrote: FWIW, I don't have an iphone, but I do have a $15/mo unlimited (which means 5GB) plan from ATT and I tether my laptop to that. K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com mailto:jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, I finally had a chance to visit an ATT store near me to check out iphone service plan pricing. In the process I learned that the iphone does NOT support tethering (via bluetooth or otherwise) of other devices to it for the purpose of Internet access for such other devices. Furthermore I learned that ATT, like Verizon Wireless, has 2 choices of data plans for those devices that DO support tethering as explained to me by their salesperson. These choices are 1. Device only Internet access $30 US/month 2. #1 above + Device Tethering capability $60 US/month^1 (there is a limit of 5gb/month put on this) ATT also has a data only plan for users who just want to use a USB or Cardbus adapter for mobile Internet access for their PC or other device. The monthly charge for that plan, called Data Connect is $60/month also with a 5gb limit but with overage charges for use beyond the 5 gb/month. I should note that the $60 US/month for pricing plan #2 above from ATT compares with a price of $44.99 US/month^2 from Verizon which has the same 5gb monthly limit (stated in its fine print), a ~$15 US/month price difference in favor of Verizon Wireless vs ATT. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
I did set it up last year, so I am sure my pricing is pretty good. It's not so good that it is the *real* unlimited data which some people still enjoy. I get just over 100kbps, but that's because I have an N82 and it's Edge only in the US. When I swap my SIM to my N75, I get 400+kbps K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:45 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: Kevin, you may have legacy pricing because it now appears from the ATT www site that it is $30/month for the Data Connect service. Do you actually get bit rates above 100kbps in your location? I suspect that the ATT service, similar to Verizon Wireless's service, will automatically downhift to GPRS/Edge bit rates (on Verizon Wireless's network it is referred to as 1xRTT). Maybe ATT had a lower price for those geographic locations that were not yet upgraded to HSDPA. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Kevin T. Neely wrote: FWIW, I don't have an iphone, but I do have a $15/mo unlimited (which means 5GB) plan from ATT and I tether my laptop to that. K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com mailto:jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, I finally had a chance to visit an ATT store near me to check out iphone service plan pricing. In the process I learned that the iphone does NOT support tethering (via bluetooth or otherwise) of other devices to it for the purpose of Internet access for such other devices. Furthermore I learned that ATT, like Verizon Wireless, has 2 choices of data plans for those devices that DO support tethering as explained to me by their salesperson. These choices are 1. Device only Internet access $30 US/month 2. #1 above + Device Tethering capability $60 US/month^1 (there is a limit of 5gb/month put on this) ATT also has a data only plan for users who just want to use a USB or Cardbus adapter for mobile Internet access for their PC or other device. The monthly charge for that plan, called Data Connect is $60/month also with a 5gb limit but with overage charges for use beyond the 5 gb/month. I should note that the $60 US/month for pricing plan #2 above from ATT compares with a price of $44.99 US/month^2 from Verizon which has the same 5gb monthly limit (stated in its fine print), a ~$15 US/month price difference in favor of Verizon Wireless vs ATT. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
Jose, Interesting. I have to wonder though if ATT considers that a hack as legitimate as it might be that violates the use policy of its service for the iphone. There is a similar app that installs/runs on 802.11 enabled Windows Mobile devices. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC Jose Vargas wrote: Read PDA.net is now available for iPhone that for around $40 turns it into a wireless router. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Greene atmasph...@atmasphere.net mailto:atmasph...@atmasphere.net wrote: I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810, netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be more like your only connection ... On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com mailto:ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: FWIW, I don't have an iphone, but I do have a $15/mo unlimited (which means 5GB) plan from ATT and I tether my laptop to that. K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com mailto:jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, I finally had a chance to visit an ATT store near me to check out iphone service plan pricing. In the process I learned that the iphone does NOT support tethering (via bluetooth or otherwise) of other devices to it for the purpose of Internet access for such other devices. Furthermore I learned that ATT, like Verizon Wireless, has 2 choices of data plans for those devices that DO support tethering as explained to me by their salesperson. These choices are 1. Device only Internet access $30 US/month 2. #1 above + Device Tethering capability $60 US/month^1 (there is a limit of 5gb/month put on this) ATT also has a data only plan for users who just want to use a USB or Cardbus adapter for mobile Internet access for their PC or other device. The monthly charge for that plan, called Data Connect is $60/month also with a 5gb limit but with overage charges for use beyond the 5 gb/month. I should note that the $60 US/month for pricing plan #2 above from ATT compares with a price of $44.99 US/month^2 from Verizon which has the same 5gb monthly limit (stated in its fine print), a ~$15 US/month price difference in favor of Verizon Wireless vs ATT. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - jonathangre...@gmail.com mailto:jonathangre...@gmail.com Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com Sent from: New York New York United States. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jose Vargas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Fwd: Iphone + tethering - No Way
Funny Apple hasn't sued them. The developer explicitly states you'll have to jailbreak. Jose http://www.junefabrics.com/iphone/index.php On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:17 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: Jose, Interesting. I have to wonder though if ATT considers that a hack as legitimate as it might be that violates the use policy of its service for the iphone. There is a similar app that installs/runs on 802.11 enabled Windows Mobile devices. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC Jose Vargas wrote: Read PDA.net is now available for iPhone that for around $40 turns it into a wireless router. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Greene atmasph...@atmasphere.net mailto:atmasph...@atmasphere.net wrote: I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810, netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be more like your only connection ... On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com mailto:ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: FWIW, I don't have an iphone, but I do have a $15/mo unlimited (which means 5GB) plan from ATT and I tether my laptop to that. K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com mailto:jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, I finally had a chance to visit an ATT store near me to check out iphone service plan pricing. In the process I learned that the iphone does NOT support tethering (via bluetooth or otherwise) of other devices to it for the purpose of Internet access for such other devices. Furthermore I learned that ATT, like Verizon Wireless, has 2 choices of data plans for those devices that DO support tethering as explained to me by their salesperson. These choices are 1. Device only Internet access $30 US/month 2. #1 above + Device Tethering capability $60 US/month^1 (there is a limit of 5gb/month put on this) ATT also has a data only plan for users who just want to use a USB or Cardbus adapter for mobile Internet access for their PC or other device. The monthly charge for that plan, called Data Connect is $60/month also with a 5gb limit but with overage charges for use beyond the 5 gb/month. I should note that the $60 US/month for pricing plan #2 above from ATT compares with a price of $44.99 US/month^2 from Verizon which has the same 5gb monthly limit (stated in its fine print), a ~$15 US/month price difference in favor of Verizon Wireless vs ATT. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jonathan Greene +1.914.750.8740 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - jonathangre...@gmail.com mailto:jonathangre...@gmail.com Skype / Gizmo - JonathanGreene blogs - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp / http://www.maemoapps.com Sent from: New York New York United States. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org mailto:maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jose Vargas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Jose Vargas -- Jose Vargas ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
Jonathan, I did not ask the sales rep, HOW ATT prevents tethering on the iphone and it did not occur to me that they would use the user identity and account info derived from the SIM to prevent tethering. For that to work, the ATT network would have to be able to determine when a device was attempting to tether while authenticated with a SIM and user account that did not allow that. I just assume that the iphone hw+sw was designed to not include tethering capability, from Apple, at least. As Jose points out, there is at least one app available to turn the iphone into an IEEE 802.11 Access Point. Now, I have to ask, does jailbreaking the iphone violate the ATT commercial terms of its use on the ATT Network? And speaking of data volume limits for these plans, I have learned that a good way to exceed the 5gb limit per month of either ATT's or Verizon Wireless's data plan is to start doing RDP or VNC sessions to other computers/servers from a computer that is tethered to your mobile device. Then launch a www browser on the target computer/server and visit your typical www sites (I am not even talking about, say youtube here) using that browser on that computer/server. With all the rich graphics. and dancing baloney on today's typical www site you will quickly consume that 5 gb on the mobile network with all the graphical content being played out over the RDP or VNC session. Actually I am making a bit of an assumption here, because so far I have only tried this using RDP. VNC may be more bit efficient. I understand that Citrix, the original developer of the RDP components that Microsoft uses, themselves have a more efficient version of RDP (RDP+?} that is, well, more efficient when it comes to the video part of RDP. In fact, and speaking only based on my experience with the typical real bandwidths (~300kbps in the direction to the tethered device) that I get over the Verizon Wireless network in the locations where I use it, I get that old dial up/slow-mo feeling sometimes when using this service. The performance is bad enough that I wish it would be better, but good enough that I keep using it. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Jonathan Greene wrote: I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810, netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be more like your only connection ... On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: FWIW, I don't have an iphone, but I do have a $15/mo unlimited (which means 5GB) plan from ATT and I tether my laptop to that. K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, I finally had a chance to visit an ATT store near me to check out iphone service plan pricing. In the process I learned that the iphone does NOT support tethering (via bluetooth or otherwise) of other devices to it for the purpose of Internet access for such other devices. Furthermore I learned that ATT, like Verizon Wireless, has 2 choices of data plans for those devices that DO support tethering as explained to me by their salesperson. These choices are 1. Device only Internet access $30 US/month 2. #1 above + Device Tethering capability $60 US/month^1 (there is a limit of 5gb/month put on this) ATT also has a data only plan for users who just want to use a USB or Cardbus adapter for mobile Internet access for their PC or other device. The monthly charge for that plan, called Data Connect is $60/month also with a 5gb limit but with overage charges for use beyond the 5 gb/month. I should note that the $60 US/month for pricing plan #2 above from ATT compares with a price of $44.99 US/month^2 from Verizon which has the same 5gb monthly limit (stated in its fine print), a ~$15 US/month price difference in favor of Verizon Wireless vs ATT. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
RDP and VNC are pretty light as far as full graphical protocols go, although you may be right about eating up the usage. Still, I'd imagine actually DOING the web browsing on a tethered phone would use just as much data. I can easily chew through 20-30MB on train ride just doing my mail. ICA is Citrix's lighter protocol. K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:04 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: Jonathan, I did not ask the sales rep, HOW ATT prevents tethering on the iphone and it did not occur to me that they would use the user identity and account info derived from the SIM to prevent tethering. For that to work, the ATT network would have to be able to determine when a device was attempting to tether while authenticated with a SIM and user account that did not allow that. I just assume that the iphone hw+sw was designed to not include tethering capability, from Apple, at least. As Jose points out, there is at least one app available to turn the iphone into an IEEE 802.11 Access Point. Now, I have to ask, does jailbreaking the iphone violate the ATT commercial terms of its use on the ATT Network? And speaking of data volume limits for these plans, I have learned that a good way to exceed the 5gb limit per month of either ATT's or Verizon Wireless's data plan is to start doing RDP or VNC sessions to other computers/servers from a computer that is tethered to your mobile device. Then launch a www browser on the target computer/server and visit your typical www sites (I am not even talking about, say youtube here) using that browser on that computer/server. With all the rich graphics. and dancing baloney on today's typical www site you will quickly consume that 5 gb on the mobile network with all the graphical content being played out over the RDP or VNC session. Actually I am making a bit of an assumption here, because so far I have only tried this using RDP. VNC may be more bit efficient. I understand that Citrix, the original developer of the RDP components that Microsoft uses, themselves have a more efficient version of RDP (RDP+?} that is, well, more efficient when it comes to the video part of RDP. In fact, and speaking only based on my experience with the typical real bandwidths (~300kbps in the direction to the tethered device) that I get over the Verizon Wireless network in the locations where I use it, I get that old dial up/slow-mo feeling sometimes when using this service. The performance is bad enough that I wish it would be better, but good enough that I keep using it. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Jonathan Greene wrote: I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810, netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be more like your only connection ... On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Kevin T. Neely ktne...@astroturfgarden.com wrote: FWIW, I don't have an iphone, but I do have a $15/mo unlimited (which means 5GB) plan from ATT and I tether my laptop to that. K On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, John Holmblad jholmb...@acadiasecurenets.com wrote: All, I finally had a chance to visit an ATT store near me to check out iphone service plan pricing. In the process I learned that the iphone does NOT support tethering (via bluetooth or otherwise) of other devices to it for the purpose of Internet access for such other devices. Furthermore I learned that ATT, like Verizon Wireless, has 2 choices of data plans for those devices that DO support tethering as explained to me by their salesperson. These choices are 1. Device only Internet access $30 US/month 2. #1 above + Device Tethering capability $60 US/month^1 (there is a limit of 5gb/month put on this) ATT also has a data only plan for users who just want to use a USB or Cardbus adapter for mobile Internet access for their PC or other device. The monthly charge for that plan, called Data Connect is $60/month also with a 5gb limit but with overage charges for use beyond the 5 gb/month. I should note that the $60 US/month for pricing plan #2 above from ATT compares with a price of $44.99 US/month^2 from Verizon which has the same 5gb monthly limit (stated in its fine print), a ~$15 US/month price difference in favor of Verizon Wireless vs ATT. -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * mailto:jholmb...@verizon.net ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- In Vino Veritas http://rubbernecking.info ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org
Re: Iphone + tethering - No Way
Hey I've also used the iPhone sim for data etc in a less locked-down device. Have you noticed the strange text messages you get whenever there's a status change on the voicemailbox? It can be annoying. The text message is a URL and appears to be related to iPhone's special handling of voicemail. It would be nice if we could figure out their special voicemail handler, or, barring that, just filter out these messages. Jonathan Greene atmasph...@atmasphere.net wrote: I've been using the original iPhone SIM in various devices for years now and I tether all kinds of mobile devices from laptops, N810, netbooks ... no issues. I've cleared 2Gb a few times, but 5 would be more like your only connection ... -- Brad Midgley ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
