Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 15:14 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : Hi, ext Krischan Keitsch wrote: - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately. . Unfortunately. Am I wrong when I identify the missing source of the media player as part of the problem? Or has it been released yet? - file manager or browser not launching the media player properly This part works fine, mediaplayer is launched properly Please file bugs. sarcasm Like Bug 176, opened 2005-10-30? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 /sarcasm This is clearly a different issue. That bug is about ogg/theora support for N770 Mediaplayer, not about Mediaplayer in newer releases supporting user installed codecs. Bug about this should be something like this: STEPS TO REPRODUCE: 1. Install code package codec-foo from repository bar 2. Browse to URL foo.bar.org/songs.html and tap to the song.foo file EXPECTED RESULT: - Mediaplayer starts to play nice-song.foo And to do that, we need expected to work but doesn't work ogg support package. And unfortunately, neither mogg or ogg-support packages are in this state for n800 (one lack schema and the other is not registering the correct mimetype) :( -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 12:11 +0200, Krischan Keitsch a écrit : Am Freitag, 19. Oktober 2007 schrieb Frederic Crozat: Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 11:59 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : So, there shouldn't be any need for any Maemo specific specs, these things are documented in upstream projects. There should still be a tutorial how to do these things though. Tutorial is already available in Maemo 3.x SDK documentation, but we aren't sure it is working as expected, because of mediaplayer blackbox. If there are still some problems after codec has been correctly registered to gstreamer and mime-type database: - gstreamer not recognizing the file type correctly I don't think it is the case, using : gst-launcher filesrc location=test.ogg ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! dsppcmsink does work, so gstreamer is handling the file correctly. We are spinning in circles. We have been there too many times already! So, let's break the circle. Using incantation won't change things. I prefer action. - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately. . Unfortunately. Am I wrong when I identify the missing source of the media player as part of the problem? Or has it been released yet? It is one part of the problem but even if we had the source, it wouldn't ensure the problem is fixed. And I'm not in a mood to blame Nokia for not releasing Media Player source code. It is part of their policy to not release code from UI based application, I respect that, even if I regret it. So, now, the important thing is either to find if the gconf configuration for Media Player is wrong and can be fixed or if the problem is in Media Player itself (help from some Nokia dudes welcome here, hint hint :) - file manager or browser not launching the media player properly This part works fine, mediaplayer is launched properly Please file bugs. sarcasm Like Bug 176, opened 2005-10-30? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 /sarcasm I think you can drop this kind of reply. And I'm serious. This bring nowhere. As a sidenote, from my distribution persective (I'm GNOME maintainer at Mandriva), Maemo community fragmentation about packages and duplicated work is killing me :( There seems to be a lot of energy around there but often doing the thing or not using infrastructure available thanks to Garage (for instance, some people are only using garage as a way to ship files and don't store their source code in SVN). I have been wondering that as well many times. How come that this community is 'fragmented'? What is causing it? I don't think it is a problem of the community or infrastructure but more of a lack of common practices, which are already in place in various other distributions or project, from new people trying to work on Maemo-based software. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 11:59 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : So, there shouldn't be any need for any Maemo specific specs, these things are documented in upstream projects. There should still be a tutorial how to do these things though. Tutorial is already available in Maemo 3.x SDK documentation, but we aren't sure it is working as expected, because of mediaplayer blackbox. If there are still some problems after codec has been correctly registered to gstreamer and mime-type database: - gstreamer not recognizing the file type correctly I don't think it is the case, using : gst-launcher filesrc location=test.ogg ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! dsppcmsink does work, so gstreamer is handling the file correctly. - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately.. - file manager or browser not launching the media player properly This part works fine, mediaplayer is launched properly Please file bugs. Before filling bugs against maemo, I think it would be better to only have one ogg support package available for 770 / n800 (and soon n810) to make sure efforts are not duplicated. As a sidenote, from my distribution persective (I'm GNOME maintainer at Mandriva), Maemo community fragmentation about packages and duplicated work is killing me :( There seems to be a lot of energy around there but often doing the thing or not using infrastructure available thanks to Garage (for instance, some people are only using garage as a way to ship files and don't store their source code in SVN). -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
Hi, ext Krischan Keitsch wrote: Am Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2007 schrieb Collin R. Mulliner: OGG is only a nerd feature and also has other problems, so Nokia (and other companies) just don't care. Maybe somebody can make a plugin (also this won't utilize the DSP). I don't agree with ogg = nerd feature. Linux as an open and free platform is way beyond nerd-state. Ogg is also about openness and freedom. They share the same philosophy. The OS of our internet tablets is based upon Linux, isn't it? So why is there no support for ogg? By the way: every time a new stylish personal media player from china is shown on engadget you will find more and more players with support for flac and ogg vorbis. Hmm, something is changing? I think whether Nokia is going to support ogg or not is somewhat besides the point. What should be supported is: - Addition of support for new codecs to the system (works, but the repository situation could be better) - All applications immediately able to use the new codecs - User opening a file (in browser or filemanager) encoded with the new codec should automatically open it in the correct player - Documenting how to achieve this This way Nokia doesn't need to be a bottleneck in getting new codecs for the users; community, commercial companies etc could then do it. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederic Crozat schrieb: And to do that, we need expected to work but doesn't work ogg support package. And unfortunately, neither mogg or ogg-support packages are in this state for n800 (one lack schema and the other is not registering the correct mimetype) :( The mogg source is up in the download section and in svn and it's easy to repackage! I am more than happy about solutions/patches! I don't have an N800 to try it out! Tilman PS. Rant is a good start, but action and contributions cannot be substituted. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHGKwg9ZPu6Yae8lkRAlJlAJ4jK/AEZ3xSTg2UjS6ZR65E1MOYRQCggdse g2MUU5SbAfQdZuPsPgg72uw= =3uUJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
Hi, ext Krischan Keitsch wrote: - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately. . Unfortunately. Am I wrong when I identify the missing source of the media player as part of the problem? Or has it been released yet? - file manager or browser not launching the media player properly This part works fine, mediaplayer is launched properly Please file bugs. sarcasm Like Bug 176, opened 2005-10-30? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 /sarcasm This is clearly a different issue. That bug is about ogg/theora support for N770 Mediaplayer, not about Mediaplayer in newer releases supporting user installed codecs. Bug about this should be something like this: STEPS TO REPRODUCE: 1. Install code package codec-foo from repository bar 2. Browse to URL foo.bar.org/songs.html and tap to the song.foo file EXPECTED RESULT: - Mediaplayer starts to play nice-song.foo - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 is here (ogg support)
Am Freitag, 19. Oktober 2007 schrieb Frederic Crozat: Le vendredi 19 octobre 2007 à 11:59 +0300, Eero Tamminen a écrit : So, there shouldn't be any need for any Maemo specific specs, these things are documented in upstream projects. There should still be a tutorial how to do these things though. Tutorial is already available in Maemo 3.x SDK documentation, but we aren't sure it is working as expected, because of mediaplayer blackbox. If there are still some problems after codec has been correctly registered to gstreamer and mime-type database: - gstreamer not recognizing the file type correctly I don't think it is the case, using : gst-launcher filesrc location=test.ogg ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! dsppcmsink does work, so gstreamer is handling the file correctly. We are spinning in circles. We have been there too many times already! - mediaplayer not playing the file I think the problem is here, unfortunately :( Developper documentation is a little too scarce about media player, unfortunately. . Unfortunately. Am I wrong when I identify the missing source of the media player as part of the problem? Or has it been released yet? - file manager or browser not launching the media player properly This part works fine, mediaplayer is launched properly Please file bugs. sarcasm Like Bug 176, opened 2005-10-30? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 /sarcasm Before filling bugs against maemo, I think it would be better to only have one ogg support package available for 770 / n800 (and soon n810) to make sure efforts are not duplicated. Yepp! Convergence instead of parallel efforts! Time to puzzle should be over in order to mature this platform. As a sidenote, from my distribution persective (I'm GNOME maintainer at Mandriva), Maemo community fragmentation about packages and duplicated work is killing me :( There seems to be a lot of energy around there but often doing the thing or not using infrastructure available thanks to Garage (for instance, some people are only using garage as a way to ship files and don't store their source code in SVN). I have been wondering that as well many times. How come that this community is 'fragmented'? What is causing it? Regards Krischan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
